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05.15.2020

Overview

I want to start off by saying thank you to the Dev team for consistently making changes in order to benefit the health/RP of Eclipse. I’ve been part of this community for two years now and I’ve witnessed the changes that were made and how well the community adapted to it. I feel like our suggestions are being watched, listened to and if they make sense, also implemented as well. That goes a long way.

Currently, this will be a suggestion to change what’s already there, rather than creating something new, as I know coding can be extensive, so I would rather not put more work- load than really needed onto the Dev Team. I know when the right community feedback happens and having others pitch in on ideas, it can really make a difference. It’s up to the community to help posts like these take off.

Current Goals A

  1. Separating laptop stock per official faction I.E Each faction having their own pool of shipments.

  2. Raising the refresh rate on ammunition but decreasing the max amount of ammo at max stock. I.E Max amount of Ammo capped at 250 but raising the refresh rate in order to balance.

Further detail

As new Official Factions begin popping up and with the amount of them that are already there, Laptop currently has a very limited pool of ammunition as each official gang shares the same exact stock. I’m one of the people with access to it and from daily experience, I can tell you that we’re extremely lucky to see a single digit above 30 every few hours. I don’t think this was intended, but I could be wrong. 

I understand that the server is moving in a direction of more RP and less plain shooting and I feel that’s evident based on the new Gun Store Update that goes as followed:

[MDC] Added ability to look up guns registered to specific name

[Gunstores] Added ability to buy ammo

[Gunstores] Ammo will be limited to 2 packs or (100 units) per day
[Gunstores] Player will be allowed to buy two guns maximum. If player loses their gun, they must report it to the police, before being able to buy another gun

And I feel that there’s now an understanding that laptop is extremely limited with the following:

[Laptop] Increased pistol max quantity and replenish amounts

  I bring this up to showcase that while changes are being made, player feedback truly means a lot, as this recent laptop change was made likely due to the feedback of this recent development update. Now, I think separating the stock per official factions is a step in the right direction, as not only does it further reduce IC conflict, but it would also serve to balance Eclipse even further. Official Factions are supposed to be the height of CriminalRP and have the responsibility of maintaining that level of RP while also providing the community with well thought out original content and providing unofficial criminals with the means to get by as well. I would like to think that we’re supposed to oversee others and help them move in the right direction as well.

Right now, the weapons market is dead. Official Factions barely have enough guns and ammunition to stock their own members, so selling to the unofficial population of ECRP is at a halt and has been for a very long time, and I’m sure members of the community who will be reading this, can also confirm this as well.

 

The Logic behind the details

  The Laptop requires you to order a minimum amount of 10 weapons/ammo in order to fulfil a shipment. Once you make that order, it gives you an ETA and a location and when the last hour arrives, you head to the destination to collect your shipment. It’s also important to point out that PD has a 5% chance of getting this information automatically, and so your drop could possibly get raided by swat and in turn, send you off to prison.

  For a shipment of 10 Ak’s, it takes roughly 1000 AK rounds to fill the entire order and if you want to budget, let’s say 500 if you’re putting in 50 rounds each. Now I want you to take a look at this picture below and think to yourself. Are you willing to risk losing everything on your person and hours of prison time for this? Do you think this is enough to feed not only an official faction, but also members of the community who will be interested in purchasing weapons? If the answer is no, then I think we’re onto something here.

Laptop#1

Laptop#2

 

  I personally see no RP sense that an overseas plug would waste resources on shipping 30 Ak rounds to California. If Official Factions are supposed to be the pillars of CriminalRP, I feel we can go further than this. I understand that consistent conflict and common war between factions isn’t the direction we want the server to go and this is why we should be allowed to be more passive for the sake of the community and trusted with this ability. If two countries both have nukes, the chances of them going to war significantly decreases. Providing people with guns isn’t the mentality here, it’s the Roleplay that comes along with the sales, otherwise why even make money here to begin with? Trust us with a much more responsive system and I promise, the community will thrive for it. I’ve also heard from multiple people that competition over Laptop is a valid RP reason to declare war, but I find this to be extremely petty. Zetas RP is that we started off as a street gang with high goals, eventually taking advantage of the chaotic situation in mexico in order to land a plug known as the Zetas Vieja Escuela (Old School Zetas) under the condition that we become a branch of them, taking on their name and strengthening their influence in the US. Why should we share the same exact plug as the Triads? Two separate RP backstories and yet we share the same exact plug.

       In short

   I simply want to see more improvements to the criminal side of things, mainly with the laptop and imports as an entirety, as I feel like we can play a bigger role in providing  to the rest of the community around the clock. We’re all in this together and I’m sure a lot of crims want to see positive change with the right balance in mind.

      A compromise? Some balancing? This is all misc optional suggestions to improve balance

  1. Slightly raise the timer on weapons shipments

 With every great change, there is likely to be some cons in order to balance things out even further. To show you that we really need this change, perhaps we can sacrifice a little more time for a bit more ammunition and the separation of stock per official faction.

  1. Raise the prices on attachments

 Slightly raise the prices on attachments, as to reduce the chances of every single person walking around with fully equipped weapons.

 

  1. Remove some of the drop locations and replace them with others that correspond with the new ruleset.

 Humane labs remain to be a drop location, yet I’ve seen a report saying that it was a public area and thus the robbery that took place there was borderline nonRP. In this case, it  should also be nonRP for it to be an import location.

   4. Change the laptop’s ETA from OOC to IC time.

  I.E 17 minutes OOC vs 1 hour and some change IC

   5. Make the warehouse laptop accessible like the ones you buy from the stores, but add a command only official factions can input to access  the dark web, or make it password protected (Although this can be done with RP)

  6. Decrease the craft timers on public labs in order to keep them relevant to the general populace

 Current Goals B (Extremely optional and much less of a priority)

  1. Add very few illegal melee weapons to laptop

  2. Allow the IC Cartel the ability to give us older drugs as a special import. I.E Shrooms, Steroids, etc.

 

Further Details

I think some melee weapons should still be special imports, but perhaps adding switch blades and brass knuckles to the laptop would be quite interesting and would provide some pretty interesting Roleplay opportunities. The biggest one for me is allowing the IC Cartel to provide special imports of previously taken away drugs like Shrooms and Steroids, thus giving official factions the ability to put these drugs on the market without the drop off NPC, and sell these strictly to the public for P2P Roleplay. I think most gangs have attempted to sell drugs P2P like how it used to be back in 2018. This either ends up being short lived or offset by the fact that most people can just create these drugs and they’re common to begin with. I think a special import of Steroids and Shrooms would serve as a great way to open up the illegal drug market in the way it was intended. Imagine a player hosted party like the tavern, but with a street dealer selling Shrooms or steroids to the populace? Imagine grove street having corner thugs pushing these drugs as well. I would imagine PD would have a lot of fun during these interactions as well. The order would go as followed: IC Cartel > Official Factions > Unofficial Factions > General populace.

 

Closing Statement

In summary, I don’t want to make it seem like I’m solely based around official factions. My main point in all of this is that there are some things that I believe deserve a little tweaking. I don’t believe additions at this current point should be stressed too much in this suggestion, as I understand it’s easier to tweak code that already exists and much harder to create them from scratch. I want to have an open discussion below about things of this nature and I formally ask staff to delete any comments that either severely bad mouth factions, including PD. I really don’t want to go into another Crim VS PD debate as that doesn’t solve anything and all it ever does is get posts locked and archived. If you think I should add anything to this suggestion, DM me directly or post it in the comment section below and we can do this as a community, rather than as an individual.

Also I want to mention, I keep logs of every order I fufill on the laptop and I have for an extremely long time now. So if anyone from staff wants those to verify what I'm saying in this suggestion, feel free to hit me up. I don't want you thinking like "This mf lying saying there's only 30 ammo up 24/7" lmao

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+1 to all.

Nearly impossible to get a substantial amount of pistol or heavy ammo, which in turn decreases the amount of criminal RP we can do.

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+1

 

Please fix the current situation for crims. Nothing but heavy nerfs removing the ability to get the basic of most weapons.

Just getting harder and harder to play as crim + the additional disadvantage of having to spend ridiculous OOC hours if you're caught. Crim should always be more rewarding as playing legal due to the higher risk.

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+1 crims have been getting hit way too hard with all of these new development updates and rule updates. A lot of criminals don't even come in town much anymore because there's really not much to do criminal wise besides drugs.

Cooking at community drug labs with your gang has been killed off. Checking drug labs for other criminals and gaining new connections that way has been killed off. We were without laptop access for around 2 months for some reason. Now there's script limitations on how many guns you can buy at once with a license. Chopshop has been pretty dead because cars randomly disappear after being offline for 2 hours. The prison time is unlimited. You now get put into debt if you can't pay your fines. It's damn near impossible to rob anyone anymore without them going to a public place and going into /b. Going to war now requires OOC approval.

What have we gotten in terms of rule changes or development updates that give us more opportunities as criminals during these updates? Not really much I can think of.

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+1 this is a great suggestion and very well needed. I was literally writing this 20 minutes ago, here are some of the current number to expand on the situation:


Following numbers will be based off the current 195 Official Criminal Faction members.

Pistol 50 ammo:

  • Restocks at 10 bullets per hour.
  • Takes 5 hours to fill a pistol with 50 rounds.
  • 975 Hours to supply each criminal 1x filled .50 aka 40 days.

Assault Rifle ammo:

  • Restocks at 30 bullets per hour.
  • Takes 3.33 hours to fill an AK with 100 rounds.
  • 650 Hours to supply each criminal 1x filled AK aka 27 days.

SMG ammo:

  • Restocks at 14 bullets per hour.
  • Takes 7.14 hours to fill an SMG with 100 rounds.
  • 1392 Hours to supply each criminal 1x filled SMG aka 58 days.

Micro SMG ammo:

  • Restocks at 20 bullets per hour.
  • Takes 5 hours to fill a Micro with 100 rounds.
  • 975 Hours to supply each criminal 1x filled Micro aka 40 days.

Shotgun ammo:

  • Restocks at 14 bullets per hour.
  • Takes 1.42 to fill a Shotgun with 20 rounds.
  • 277 Hours to supply each criminal 1x filled shotgun aka 11 days.


The above number do not factor in other Factions purchasing the ammo from the same pool, or the 5% chance each drop has to get hit.

The current supply does not even realistically meet the demand of official factions, let alone the gun sale RP to sell so other factions and individuals.

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+1 x10 trying to be a criminal right now is very difficult and there is little to no activities to do as a criminal besides cooking, which may be a path people don't want to choose. 

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+1.

Miss shrooms and steroids, back in 2018- early 2019 criminals was able at least to bring some drug / guns market around city with a lot of fun and interesting RP, selling "special" drugs (when some drugs had efects, like steroids gives you slithly movement speed) selling and buying it P2P was at least a thing. Now as people stated above, official factions can't bring back market to the streets.

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Big +1. Personally I don’t see a real reason to why heavy weapon supply is limited when we have to pay for our heavy guns and risk jail time and all PD has to do is go to their cruisers and just spawn one in.

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+1 The import situation has been rough for quite some time and only gets worse with the new additions to official. It is actually disgusting having to 15 people hound me to order 30 micro rounds when I offer to order. 

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3 hours ago, Copperhorse said:

+1 crims have been getting hit way too hard with all of these new development updates and rule updates. A lot of criminals don't even come in town much anymore because there's really not much to do criminal wise besides drugs.

Cooking at community drug labs with your gang has been killed off. Checking drug labs for other criminals and gaining new connections that way has been killed off. We were without laptop access for around 2 months for some reason. Now there's script limitations on how many guns you can buy at once with a license. Chopshop has been pretty dead because cars randomly disappear after being offline for 2 hours. The prison time is unlimited. You now get put into debt if you can't pay your fines. It's damn near impossible to rob anyone anymore without them going to a public place and going into /b. Going to war now requires OOC approval.

What have we gotten in terms of rule changes or development updates that give us more opportunities as criminals during these updates? Not really much I can think of.

This is very true.

Crim RP need to be looked at more as it's a big aspect of the general role play itself.

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