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The only concern I have on this is even through leasing, 150k+ should still be considered a sizable amount in my opinion. I only say this because with the amount of blank properties GTA has to offer, there are plenty to spare. If a new-ish player join the server and wanted to open a coffee shop, relevant to his characters back story, he should be able to is my point. Money should only be a driving factor when it comes to making sense of a certain things. For example, how I justify owning a 4G mansion, or how I justify driving around in a Massaro as my daily driver. Yet, not when it limits roleplay to a waiting game. I'd bring something like this up IC but I just don't feel there's a proper way in doing that without some sort of mixing being involved. I'm sure we'd all love to see more businesses being open daily with the goal of giving players things to do and places to socialize, rather than the sole purpose of making cash. You also gotta keep in mind that there's little room for players to make back the money they spend on these properties, as there's little script support in helping them do so. If I ran a coffee shop, selling coffee isn't going to pay back 150k+ anytime in the near future, unless there was a way that business could be funded on another level. I.E, getting hourly paychecks as I'm clocked in to work, as well as selling coffee. These are things we need to keep in mind as a community, that the RP experience is much more important than the cash it can bring. The one thing I'm starting to see as I'm recently coming back is we're more understanding on the need to fix and promote things on an OOC level, rather than an IC one. This is a good thing, because it places down the foundation needed to do things properly IC. We should figure out ways that regular civilians can make money to enhance their RP experience without feeling the need to work at LSC, Bayview, DCC, or anything else for a while until they raise their funds. Take possible backstories into consideration, as not everyone understands how to fix a car or take a bullet out of someone's shoulder. Sorry for the weird and unorganized way of typing, I literally just woke up and didn't get a slurp of coffee yet.

I'm going to skip wide detail and just list things that I think would heavily improve RP More civ support: 1. Cheaper Property requests on a case by case basis, with proper reasonings. Currently I feel RP is hindered by the need to make millions, money should not dictate RP. 2. Much less heavy, stackable furniture to make building less tedious. (I.E, stacking 2 of the same floor lights for less clutter) 3. A proper way to sell back furniture that isn't used. (Can add it to the ctr+x option) 4. Scripted business support in order to allow businesses to open much more often. Remove 24/7 automated scripts from stores and/or allow players to run their own businesses for example. Allow us to hire managers, employees, etc and pay a salary. The only time a business should be automated is if there isn't another one being ran by a player somewhere else. 5. Similar to the above but add more variety of food and items that isn't sold in stores. It's rough to RP something like a burger shop whenever someone can just buy one from the nearest store. 6. Too many automated script jobs and activities hinders roleplay, some should be removed. Trucking faction, rather than a scripted trucking job for example. There's many ways to freak this. 7. Add different activities for players to do that doesn't include grinding for cash but promotes a social aspect. Scripted poker anywhere, more dice options, blackjack, etc. Realistic Crim Improvements: 1. Prison needs to have its own set of OOC rules that either merge with or are separate from the normal rules. Currently, prison on ECRP is a cesspool of trolling and DMing. There needs to be much harsher rules for prison in order to promote a more realistic environment for both the guards and players. More defined escalation, prison faction support with imported contraband, etc. 2. Add a vehicle list that changes daily for the chop shop. Currently, you literally cannot put a car anywhere and leave it for five seconds. I can't go into the furniture store without someone baby sitting my phantom, hell, I can't even walk into a property I'm building without someone trying to pick lock any car that's outside, regardless of the time of day. I know there's many more crim improvements I could have added but honestly, just focusing civ support adds a ton more to both legal and illegal factions, even players without a faction. Someone who does crime doesn't do it 24/7, you still go out to bars, hang out with friends, etc. My point is, there should be some type of means to promote a more naturally flowing LS; a more lively one.

New Chapter: Here But I'm Gone After the separation of the LS branch of Los Zetas, Capone decided it was better to leave entirely and let the legend speak for itself. With LS in a terrifying power struggle, he took a long trip to Nuevo Laredo, Tamaulipas, directly across the border from Laredo, Texas. There, he would meet the now fragmented Los Zetas Vieja Escuela once again and secure not only his safety, but he'd fold into past familiar faces. It was here that Capone would learn the proper trades of shipping and handling, drug distribution and mostly anything surrounding gun supplies. To put it simply, it was definitely an eye-opener for him, knowing those same guns Zetas would import into the US, came directly from US gun companies that would ship the supply to the Mexican military & Police and thus in turn, would end up in the Cartel's hands. Going forward, it was no longer the loud, flashy lifestyle that he was used to living. It was..well, different. Different in the sense that, they didn't wear colors, didn't drive in fast, fancy cars and their operations were much more subtle. It wasn't all subtle though, sometimes the cartel needed to get a point across; a message if you will. Running with Los Zetas Vieja Escuela was not only a learning experience for Capone, it was a culture shock, a reality check if you will. Efforts by authorities to quell the Cartel's influence failed largely due to their inability to learn from lessons of the past; a similar fate LS felt not long ago. You see, Capone soon learned that the cartels harm stretches far beyond the sheer violence of it all. A successful cartel has pernicious efforts on the economy as well. They raise prices above the competitive level and reduce output on a business level. Consumers then choose either not to pay the higher price of the cartelized product that they need, thus forgoing the product, or they pay the cartel price and thereby unknowingly transfer wealth to the cartel operators. Needless to say, Capone was taken to school during his time in Tamaulipas and what started as an LS Zetas confidant, soon became flush with the knowledge of corruption and monetary power far greater and far less showcased than what he previously experienced in Los Santos. Capone's next move was to eventually travel back to Los Santos and contact Jay, using what he learned to benefit his long time friend. What he came back to instead, was a dying underbelly. The underbelly that he poured his blood, sweat and tears into was fading and just the same as he left, the Los Santos's branch of Zetas were nowhere to be found. You see, he had been through a wave of distractions in his time away, not truly grasping the fact that the blue army he put his soul into was gone, not a soul in sight. What he needed was time, time to grieve, time to make amends and time to gather himself. This was truly his New Chapter.

-1 on anything involving robberies unless it's to make it less common. We definitely don't need another robbery culture.

The problem is, wearing a mask 24/7 is non RP in itself. People put themselves in situations where they're being hunted by police and figure the best way to avoid it is by putting on a mask to hide their alias, which genuinely isn't ideal at all. Name tagging should be enforced as metagaming, because well..it is. Think about this, you shot someone for whatever reason and cops saw you do it, rather than wearing a mask 24/7, why not change clothes, RP wearing your hat low and go hide out until the heat dies down. There should be zero reason you're wanted unless they know for a fact it's you and if you're driving around and you look entirely different, it's easy to prove you were name tagged in the first place, staff just needs to be really hands on about this type of thing because it isn't uncommon for these things to happen. There is a script manner in which you can hide ID's through tinted windows, I've seen it and while I agree that it's a great approach, it still starts at home. If you know you're about to do some wild shit? Throw that mask on, it's what it's there for but not every single crime should require a mask as the entire point is to be lowkey. That goes to my next point, for whatever reason, people are entirely too well known to PD to the point where it makes some of that shit entirely pointless. The amount of time my character has been arrested is just bonkers and in no world should that even be possible. I'd appreciate it if a cop who's reading this could MDC Flint Capone, Flint Johnson or Flint Carwyn and post my record here for OOC purpose, simply so I can stress the point even further. CK's when they're not being forced by an Admin or Faction should be requested by forums with the reason as to why you want to CK that character and the story that lead up to the CK, thus eliminating people doing it for a "get out of jail free card". If people want to CK and join another faction, let them. As long as they're an entirely new person and have to meet people all over again, that's fine and there's zero wrong with that.

Since I can't seem to edit this post, I would simply like to add that I'm not pointing at anyone in particular, mainly just a widespread issue I've come to see as of late. To anyone here that knows who I am, ya'll know I got nothing but love for a lot of people in this community and I simply want things to improve for everyone, not just a certain niche of people.

Just as the title says. You see, I've taken a slight break from ECRP and come to understand the value of RP as a whole during that break. To the extent that coming back to the server, it just genuinely feels like night and day. I'm guilty of a lot of things here and as much as I never expected to post something like this, just stepping on the server makes me cringe. This isn't to diss the server in any type of way but anyone who's ever played anywhere else will surely understand where I'm coming from. I had a friend join ECRP, someone who's heavily into RP in general and I watched them try to RP a different voice, RP eating, driving speed limit and interacting with people and if I'm being honest? I damn near cringed out of my skin because I genuinely felt like the level of RP this person was doing, just wasn't the norm. I urge everyone to go take a look at these forum threads and take a solid look at the amount of mask wearing that's going on. Dudes be standing in the middle of stores and the bank with masks on, they wear a mask everywhere they go. That shit needs to stop and for the people who are going to post "IC issue" eat a dick tbh, we all know it isn't an IC issue at all, it's as nonRP as it can get. This doesn't just go one way as well, as I know crims will likely see this and think Flint's being two faced and I completely agree, I am. This is a recent thought of mine and before I played anything else, it never once occured to me. Benny, the old Clown Leader made a post on Zeta's thread going "I still don't like the constant mask wearing" and if I'm being honest, I got heated about that but when I think back on it, he was 100% correct. This post also moves forward to PD as well. Stop metagaming name tags through tinted windows and using third person view to spot guns from behind the car. PD needs to be held accountable and start acting like actual Police. There's some examples that were set and needs to be followed. Shout out to Shadow, Bacon, Hamilton and likely many others for RPing really well as a cop on an RP server. It's sad to say, but these people are/were in rare form. I cannot say that about a lot of PD members on ECRP and it isn't their fault, this simply needs to be enforced better on an OOC level. Start kicking people from the faction that aren't upholding RP standards and this goes to everyone. Another point I would like to make is that none of this is any one person's fault. Somewhere along the lines, we stopped valuing RP and started doing whatever the hell we wanted to, all while point the finger at each other. It's a collective problem. You know things are bad whenever faction members become inactive because there isn't shit to shoot and unfortunately, I feel that staff overlooked a lot of these things for entirely too long. People DMing bank and getting appeals accepted, people having like 30 NonRP's returning to the server and many more. Also ffs, bring back the CK system. Stop allowing people to die 1000 times and return as themselves. Factions should be permitted CK perms on their members and CK's need to be handed out to people who can't seem to grasp the idea of valuing their characters life. Last but not least @FatherOsborn and anyone else involved, Good shit on that announcement titled "State of EclipseRP" it's good to see that things are moving in the right direction. All I ask is that staff keeps that same energy involving government factions as well. I dead ass feel like an opp right now posting this, but there were things I needed to get off my chest.

I agree 100%. Back when Zetas first formed, FM were strictly there to help push us in the right direction. Bakmeel would sometimes give harsh, but WELL needed advice and we molded ourselves around it. I'm sure we used to give him a major headache, always debating and shit, yet it helped us tremendously. Recent days, it just felt like there was a foot on our necks, that we couldn't react to certain situations out of fear that we would get punished or hounded on because of it. I wouldn't have an issue if FM was a more IC thing, aka This Cartel that's always spoken about, the people who do the special imports. I think that would have been a wonderful addition to FM. If an organization was fucking up too bad, they would mediate both parties in a fashion that made sense and it would be strictly IC. Considering our connects to guns came from them, it would have made sense to obey the Cartel. FM means well and I'm sure they're doing their best, but in some situations, it gets to the point where it forces us to Mix IC and OOC as players.

All HC agreed that if one of us were done, all of us were done. We talked about passing it on before, but we thought it better to disband instead and it's healthier for everyone else as well. It's much more fun to grind to the top but once you get there, it becomes almost a full time job to maintain.

Thank you all so much for the experiences. I keep trying to tell myself that it's just a game and I should just move on, but man..this thing of ours, I miss it already. Just the feeling of logging in daily, in order to keep building this empire with not just people I met on ECRP, legitimate friends. I still remember when I met Jay. I was working at LSC and at this point, I was so corrupt, in and out of the Crim scene as a mech. Jay Gamble rolls in to LSC with his warrener, completely new to ECRP. I still can't put my finger on why, but he was my fuckin homie ever since. I watched this man go from nothing to his name, stashing drug mats in my 2G on grove, to a multi million dollar kingpin. I love yall niggas man and I appreciate all of you. We've been through so many sleepness nights and weighty decisions, it's bat shit crazy thinking back on it. The saying "You don't know what you have until it's gone" hits so hard right now. I feel I really took this shit for granted sometimes. An old but golden weazal news documentary

@Trenix Again, the point still remains. You seem to assume that the people here don't understand how to RP. I'm not against you when it comes to the constant mask wearing, I agree that it can sometimes be a bit too much. You're still walking that thin line again. You said it yourself, it's just a game, so we cannot expect 100% realism and that's the point, I agree with that. Should people run around chain robbing? No, you should be banned if that's the only reason you're on ECRP to begin with. Should I run up on you and rob you in a supercar? No, I shouldn't. And yet my fear is that I could drive an all black Washington and rob someone in that and yet people will still complain about it. You saying "You're stupid for robbing me because I have nothing" that isn't always the purpose of a robbery. If you were my die hard enemy and I could drive up to you and shoot you in the head at night time with a silenced pistol, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. If I see you and you're my enemy, the ONLY thing I can do is rob you in order to initiate that RP conflict. People tend to think that violence itself is nonRP on this server and that mentality genuinely fucks me up, I don't understand it. There's so much RP that goes into these illegal factions that it's pointless to push it all out here and yet some people think it's all just "rob, kill, steal, talk shit" There's so much diplomacy and overall politics that go into it and that seems to be the most ignored portion of CriminalRP. The mentality of "Just because I wasn't there, I don't believe it happens" There are plenty of factions that don't have "exclusive" weapons to import that do the exact same things, so that statement itself is pretty invalid. I'm telling you to pull your head out of your ass because you keep making this assumption that people are griefers and DMers for stating their opinion in a discussion post, as if you know these people and how they play the game. If you can figure out that not everything has to be realistic because it IS a video game, then you can also understand how certain limitations can severely disrupt conflict as an entirety. It's not all about robbing people, it's about the conflicts that stem from robbing people as an entirety. If two die hard enemies want it bad enough, telling them they can't because of some invisible barrier is just wild. I've seen two parties that wanted to rip each others head off, literally sitting there like "Uh...what do I do? I wanna kill you but I just cant for some reason" that shit is ugly as fuck to watch honestly. Two people scared of the other person reporting them. I don't see how anyone can think that's okay. Dude, I've legit watched people get off their bike and just aim their gun, hoping the other person aims back, to give both sides a reason to shoot it out. No demands, nothing. Just aiming. I'm sorry but that's funny as shit.

I'm going to be honest in saying, the way you're speaking to the people in this discussion feels borderline narcissistic and arrogant. Saying people are thinking like griefers and DMers from stating their opinion in a discussion post. I think everyone here understands what you're saying, I would ask for you to stop making the assumption that your level of thinking is above the rest, it isn't. Now, the robbery aspect of this rule is effecting conflict as an entirety, that's the issue a lot of people are having with it. We cannot do a straight up drive-by on our enemies as that would be DM in itself. So what do you have as a form of conflict in order to further the RP scenario? You have the option of remaining alive after this altercation if I simply rob you. Robbing someone isn't about just taking their shit for yourself, a lot of times it is used to send a message. Frankly, I think I'm really tired of people using this "I'm a roleplayer, think realism" mentality, because in my humble opinion, that's extremely naive considering the circumstances. Let's say you were my enemy and I was following you with a specific agenda. We're both driving speed limit. You're going to press C and notice that I'm following you. Why? Because there are no NPCs. I don't care how realistic you want to approach things, there's certain times where you just can't. Examples of Non Realism? 1. Noticing someone is following you because there are no NPCs 2. Cops shooting micro SMG's in a high speed chase, because there are no NPCs at risk for cross fire 3. Carrying furniture items in your inventory. "Yo, I got a couch in my pocket, don't take it" 4. Making almost every drug with a weed plant 5. Static Drop off NPC's for drugs 6. I can kill 20 cops in one sitting, go to jail and come out that same day. There are SO many others. Does that mean the server is bad? Fuck no. The server is amazing and I'm completely addicted. Yet what I really dislike is people walking this thin ass line of "Think realistic!" and "Well not everything can be realistic, it's a game after all" Just because it's an RP server doesn't mean everything has to be realistic. Roleplay doesn't require you to base your entire character on reality, that's not even the definition of the word itself. Players are walking around with like 40 pages of their criminal record and cops are shooting fully automatic rifles in "populated" areas. The point of this discussion is to discuss the rule itself, no one has to agree with each other, merely voice your concerns. Take your head out of your ass and let's try being civil, rather than pointing fingers at each other and labeling people as if you know them and their way of thinking.

Can ya'll shut yo asses up and stop arguing on a discussion thread? You don't have to agree with each other. I'm tryna let people have a productive platform to give honest feed back, don't roast each other. God damn.

+1 for sure. I don't see an IC reason for needing to type someone's ID in. If you're using it for RP, just use their full name or don't do it at all, seems kinda odd to shortcut that with an ID in the first place in something like the MDC. MG would be extremely hard to prove like that lmao

Lmfao I was 100% with most people here until I saw this. My man, that's some grade A bs right there. I was a mechanic for SO long on ECRP. Two times bayview and extremely long term LSC. To say that ya'll don't ignore calls is a joke honestly. 100% We ignored the shit out of calls, especially if they were up north. I can be honest and say when I saw a call up north, I would look at it, begin typing out the command to accept it and then delete it like "Nah fuck that" Partly, these requests weren't accepted because a lot of the times, you would take like 10 mins driving there, just for the request to be canceled. To say that it isn't being ignored is to say that there isn't a single cop that ignores the impound. We're only human bruh, at least keep it 100. The reason why the mechanic service isn't responsive is because the Tow truck can be very tedious, barely rewarding (No labor) and it isn't enforced by the owners as much as it should be. So yes, it's definitely an IC issue but it isn't something that can be dealt with by realistic means. I.E upstarting a new business, buying your own tow truck after getting certified and doing the job yourself. Currently, that's not possible. So when you say it's an IC issue, you have to understand that's it's only slightly an IC issue, as there are OOC/scripting limitations preventing you from creating other outcomes. Perhaps OP can make a suggestion on the matter instead.

Hit my line up #2803624 I do phone sex and Pay for Play. If you ever need a shoulder to cry on, I'm also your guy. For all you straight men out there just remember, thug love doesn't make you gay. Flint Capone 26/M/LS Interests: Listening to Drake on repeat Watching romantic comedies Making niggas my bitch in prison Sucking on toes Prison sex Out of prison sex Unwanted sex Having sex with married women Having sex with married men

First off, I want to start off by saying, I do understand the direction in which ECRP is trying to go and I respect it. The reason I'm bringing this discussion up is because I feel like certain things aren't really adding up or making much sense when it comes down to it. I'll be posting an example soon, as to give this discussion a little more to talk about as an entirety and genuinely try to understand how the community feels about this new rule set as an entirety. What doesn't make sense: Robbing someone a block away from an NCZ. I.E robbing someone down the street from bank, PD, MD, etc Robbing someone in the middle of a highway. Robbing someone in the middle of a busy street. What does make sense? This one in particular I won't be listing off, as I want this to be the area of discussion. Let's use this report as our example: (Btw, I was involved in this situation as well and although the reported parties were given warnings, I was not. I don't exactly feel comfortable with that, as I'm the one who called the shots in this situation and I feel I'm to blame for the conclusion. For this, I would like to ask @Emulsify to add a warning to my account as well, as I'm admitting to also being involved) As much as I agree with the fact that people should not be consistently robbing people in clothing stores, as that's one of the most annoying things ever, I don't understand it from this rules point of view. in this situation, the robbers RP'd holding up the cashier and getting rid of the cameras in order to go into the situation with a monocle of realism. Does this go against the current rule? Yes, it does but my question is, why? I'll ask these questions before I continue on. What is the point in wearing masks now? From my understanding, the point of wearing a mask is to conceal your identity as to lesson the chance of being convicted of a crime in the short and long term. With CCTV being RPly destroyed and masks being worn, regardless of a busy street or possible witnesses, it would be tough to convict anyone as everyone's wearing the same outfit and no clear evidence was left behind. What is the point of PD/SD? Do they serve a purpose anymore? From my understanding, we're supposed to RP robbery situations as Risk/Reward and while I understand how this sounds on paper, in practice it just makes everyone oocly paranoid to do anything at all, in fear of OOC punishment from an entirely IC situation. Look at these numbers for a moment. This is important because in the report that I linked as an example, PD/SD arrived on the scene at the end and everyone still managed to get away. THIS is the IC punishment for the actions that occurred in this report and yet everyone involved got warnings attached to their accounts. At the moment, I see no purpose in having over 200 members between PD and SD if we're supposed to abide by restrictions that are placed on us through Out of Character means, that could have been dealt with icly at the time. My fear is no longer with In Character punishments involving police. My Fear now is being punished on forums because I decided to rob someone regardless of the circumstances. Ruleplaying With the implementation of this new rule set, this essentially made the entire city one huge NCZ and because of that, players are now driving around the city, knowing they cannot be touched at all. You can start robbing someone in pitch black night in the middle of an isolated area and if they just so happen to drive a few meters into public, you're fucked. This is what I mean when I say PD and SD don't serve a major purpose anymore, as players are treating the server as NCZRP rather than letting actions happen through In-Character means and I find this to be a huge step in the wrong direction. I'm aware that some situations were entirely nonRP and I feel we should try our best to prevent these interactions, but I don't think this is the fix for it, as now players are genuinely abusing this rule. I've been paying attention to forums recently and it's being flooded with these robbery reports to the point where it feels demotivating to even play. Knowing that when I log on and I possibly get into a situation of robbing someone, I might have to spend time out of my day replying to forum reports is not exactly motivating to say the least. Let's be realistic here, if we all know the city is a huge NCZ, what do you think the chances are of finding someone randomly having conversation in an isolated alleyway? Zero. Let's be honest here. As much as we want to treat this like RL, we don't exactly have real life interactions. You're not going to find some rich couple to rob in an alleyway for their jewels like Bruce Wayne's parents. At best, you're gonna find a group of people chilling with .50s on their backs. Disclosure Again, I'm NOT saying that I think people should be robbed in broad daylight on a consistent basis. I'm not saying nothing should be done about this. I completely agree that getting a haircut with your gun out doesn't exactly immerse you. I'm merely saying that I don't think the way this new rule is being treated is the solution to this problem. I would personally be totally okay with not being able to rob people in clothing stores, barbershops, tattoo shops, etc. But this city wide NCZ? It just feels lazy and I don't say that to be insulting, that's just how it feels. As a community, I think we should do our part finding solutions to these problems, as I agree that the amount of robberies that occurred for minor reasons were somewhat absurd, and I can admit to the fact that I've been one to partake in situations like these. Yes, the problem should be solved, but I feel that we can think of a better way and not put what feels like an NCZ blanket around LS.

05.15.2020 ─ Overview I want to start off by saying thank you to the Dev team for consistently making changes in order to benefit the health/RP of Eclipse. I’ve been part of this community for two years now and I’ve witnessed the changes that were made and how well the community adapted to it. I feel like our suggestions are being watched, listened to and if they make sense, also implemented as well. That goes a long way. Currently, this will be a suggestion to change what’s already there, rather than creating something new, as I know coding can be extensive, so I would rather not put more work- load than really needed onto the Dev Team. I know when the right community feedback happens and having others pitch in on ideas, it can really make a difference. It’s up to the community to help posts like these take off. Current Goals A Separating laptop stock per official faction I.E Each faction having their own pool of shipments. Raising the refresh rate on ammunition but decreasing the max amount of ammo at max stock. I.E Max amount of Ammo capped at 250 but raising the refresh rate in order to balance. Further detail As new Official Factions begin popping up and with the amount of them that are already there, Laptop currently has a very limited pool of ammunition as each official gang shares the same exact stock. I’m one of the people with access to it and from daily experience, I can tell you that we’re extremely lucky to see a single digit above 30 every few hours. I don’t think this was intended, but I could be wrong. I understand that the server is moving in a direction of more RP and less plain shooting and I feel that’s evident based on the new Gun Store Update that goes as followed: [MDC] Added ability to look up guns registered to specific name [Gunstores] Added ability to buy ammo [Gunstores] Ammo will be limited to 2 packs or (100 units) per day [Gunstores] Player will be allowed to buy two guns maximum. If player loses their gun, they must report it to the police, before being able to buy another gun And I feel that there’s now an understanding that laptop is extremely limited with the following: [Laptop] Increased pistol max quantity and replenish amounts I bring this up to showcase that while changes are being made, player feedback truly means a lot, as this recent laptop change was made likely due to the feedback of this recent development update. Now, I think separating the stock per official factions is a step in the right direction, as not only does it further reduce IC conflict, but it would also serve to balance Eclipse even further. Official Factions are supposed to be the height of CriminalRP and have the responsibility of maintaining that level of RP while also providing the community with well thought out original content and providing unofficial criminals with the means to get by as well. I would like to think that we’re supposed to oversee others and help them move in the right direction as well. Right now, the weapons market is dead. Official Factions barely have enough guns and ammunition to stock their own members, so selling to the unofficial population of ECRP is at a halt and has been for a very long time, and I’m sure members of the community who will be reading this, can also confirm this as well. The Logic behind the details The Laptop requires you to order a minimum amount of 10 weapons/ammo in order to fulfil a shipment. Once you make that order, it gives you an ETA and a location and when the last hour arrives, you head to the destination to collect your shipment. It’s also important to point out that PD has a 5% chance of getting this information automatically, and so your drop could possibly get raided by swat and in turn, send you off to prison. For a shipment of 10 Ak’s, it takes roughly 1000 AK rounds to fill the entire order and if you want to budget, let’s say 500 if you’re putting in 50 rounds each. Now I want you to take a look at this picture below and think to yourself. Are you willing to risk losing everything on your person and hours of prison time for this? Do you think this is enough to feed not only an official faction, but also members of the community who will be interested in purchasing weapons? If the answer is no, then I think we’re onto something here. Laptop#1 Laptop#2 I personally see no RP sense that an overseas plug would waste resources on shipping 30 Ak rounds to California. If Official Factions are supposed to be the pillars of CriminalRP, I feel we can go further than this. I understand that consistent conflict and common war between factions isn’t the direction we want the server to go and this is why we should be allowed to be more passive for the sake of the community and trusted with this ability. If two countries both have nukes, the chances of them going to war significantly decreases. Providing people with guns isn’t the mentality here, it’s the Roleplay that comes along with the sales, otherwise why even make money here to begin with? Trust us with a much more responsive system and I promise, the community will thrive for it. I’ve also heard from multiple people that competition over Laptop is a valid RP reason to declare war, but I find this to be extremely petty. Zetas RP is that we started off as a street gang with high goals, eventually taking advantage of the chaotic situation in mexico in order to land a plug known as the Zetas Vieja Escuela (Old School Zetas) under the condition that we become a branch of them, taking on their name and strengthening their influence in the US. Why should we share the same exact plug as the Triads? Two separate RP backstories and yet we share the same exact plug. In short I simply want to see more improvements to the criminal side of things, mainly with the laptop and imports as an entirety, as I feel like we can play a bigger role in providing to the rest of the community around the clock. We’re all in this together and I’m sure a lot of crims want to see positive change with the right balance in mind. A compromise? Some balancing? This is all misc optional suggestions to improve balance Slightly raise the timer on weapons shipments With every great change, there is likely to be some cons in order to balance things out even further. To show you that we really need this change, perhaps we can sacrifice a little more time for a bit more ammunition and the separation of stock per official faction. Raise the prices on attachments Slightly raise the prices on attachments, as to reduce the chances of every single person walking around with fully equipped weapons. Remove some of the drop locations and replace them with others that correspond with the new ruleset. Humane labs remain to be a drop location, yet I’ve seen a report saying that it was a public area and thus the robbery that took place there was borderline nonRP. In this case, it should also be nonRP for it to be an import location. 4. Change the laptop’s ETA from OOC to IC time. I.E 17 minutes OOC vs 1 hour and some change IC 5. Make the warehouse laptop accessible like the ones you buy from the stores, but add a command only official factions can input to access the dark web, or make it password protected (Although this can be done with RP) 6. Decrease the craft timers on public labs in order to keep them relevant to the general populace Current Goals B (Extremely optional and much less of a priority) Add very few illegal melee weapons to laptop Allow the IC Cartel the ability to give us older drugs as a special import. I.E Shrooms, Steroids, etc. Further Details I think some melee weapons should still be special imports, but perhaps adding switch blades and brass knuckles to the laptop would be quite interesting and would provide some pretty interesting Roleplay opportunities. The biggest one for me is allowing the IC Cartel to provide special imports of previously taken away drugs like Shrooms and Steroids, thus giving official factions the ability to put these drugs on the market without the drop off NPC, and sell these strictly to the public for P2P Roleplay. I think most gangs have attempted to sell drugs P2P like how it used to be back in 2018. This either ends up being short lived or offset by the fact that most people can just create these drugs and they’re common to begin with. I think a special import of Steroids and Shrooms would serve as a great way to open up the illegal drug market in the way it was intended. Imagine a player hosted party like the tavern, but with a street dealer selling Shrooms or steroids to the populace? Imagine grove street having corner thugs pushing these drugs as well. I would imagine PD would have a lot of fun during these interactions as well. The order would go as followed: IC Cartel > Official Factions > Unofficial Factions > General populace. Closing Statement In summary, I don’t want to make it seem like I’m solely based around official factions. My main point in all of this is that there are some things that I believe deserve a little tweaking. I don’t believe additions at this current point should be stressed too much in this suggestion, as I understand it’s easier to tweak code that already exists and much harder to create them from scratch. I want to have an open discussion below about things of this nature and I formally ask staff to delete any comments that either severely bad mouth factions, including PD. I really don’t want to go into another Crim VS PD debate as that doesn’t solve anything and all it ever does is get posts locked and archived. If you think I should add anything to this suggestion, DM me directly or post it in the comment section below and we can do this as a community, rather than as an individual. Also I want to mention, I keep logs of every order I fufill on the laptop and I have for an extremely long time now. So if anyone from staff wants those to verify what I'm saying in this suggestion, feel free to hit me up. I don't want you thinking like "This mf lying saying there's only 30 ammo up 24/7" lmao

In the words of tee grizzley

I'm telling you now, if the day ever comes where we stop asking people to change their colors, you're going to see a lot more civs being robbed simply for minding their own business. If Zetas go to war and you're driving around in blue and wearing blue and you get attacked, you'll have other complaints. If a shootout is happening and you wanted to "watch" wearing gang colors (This actually happens, people legit stand idle and watch shootouts) and you get shot, you'll have a new complaint there as well. My point is, let the IC issues sort themselves out. No one's asking you to change your colors because we're "big badass blue" we're asking you to change because we don't want whatever freaky shit you're into to come back to us and we don't want the violence we partake in to come back to you.

My thought process still remains the same regardless of the changes. I think intentions were good and I can see how the day to day hunting and killing may have staff on the edge of their seats, feeling like something needs to be done but we're playing in a dynamic RP environment. I just feel like a lot of these changes could have happened Icly rather than placing an OOC barrier of what we can and can't do. As long as server rules are being followed, I don't really see an issue. Should things change for the better? Of course and I'm not opposed to that, but what I am opposed to is the idea of FM dictating the way we wage war due to IC conflict. I feel like there's a major distrust and while people would argue otherwise, I assumed FM was there to advise and push their factions in the right direction. Back when Zetas was fresh, I still remember @Bakmeel constantly advising us on the things we should and shouldn't be doing and for the most part, we listened to his advice and put it into practice. He taught us to start doing more RP for our thread, instead of just posting picture compilations, he warned us against shooting too much and because we didnt listen, we didn't get official on the first wave and so we changed up, restructured and re-branded and here we are. There were times where we didn't agree with him and there would be some back and forth but in the end, he pushed us to be what we are today and if people felt like we were going backwards, FM giving us feedback constantly and meeting with us to determine the state of things would have been the right approach and instead, we got more rules and more regulations shoved down our throats, regulations which could be abused on top of that. People on this server constantly scream "Council" but forgot what it took to even get to this point in the first place. Shit, read our faction thread, all of that shit is true minus the gun plug we named. All of it happened the way it's written out and it tells the story of how we even got to this point. I want to see more advising and less forced rules, that's all and I feel like this isn't the way to get that done. IC conflict happens and yeah, it seems like chaos at first but these rules do not stop chaos, it gives the ability to loophole your way into shit and that feels wrong. Whatever the changes, I'm going to adapt regardless and Flint will always be around, but I'm not dropping blue regardless, I've been wearing it for two years and I promise you when something happens to me on ECRP, I'll still be in it. If I get WK'd, I'll be too injured to fight but I'll be in my hospital bed, in a blue hospital gown and that's on my crooked ass granny.

I think you genuinely make some good points, but keep in mind that when you get caught lacking without a way to defend yourself, you should not be able to climb your way out of it by normal means. I will be honest in saying that i for one do not mind someone RPing back with me during a robbery, I never have. If you do something like /me attempts to secretly phone the police /do would he notice? Make a habit of doing /dice so people know where you're coming from. I do that often when someone is RPing back, as to not deny them RP but not take the decision into my own hands by saying /do yes or no. I let dice decide in that situation, and so should you. I would suggest trying to do this form of RP first, rather than making a suggestion and see where the community's head is at, you won't know unless you try. Shit, a lot of times you can talk your way out of getting robbed.

God damn, I probably watched this shit like 6 times since you dropped it. Good shit Jamaar. I love how it tells an entire back story from part 1 to part 2, can easily tell what happened without any words involved. GJ man really.

In all seriousness, everything you're suggestion can be done Icly. What you RP defines the type of style your group has. If you want to be a mob, RP it. If you want to be a secret organization, don't get caught. You want gas stations and other businesses? Buy it. There's no need to implement it in the form of a suggestion.

They already exist