MrUntouchable215

Merry weather security faction. Grind your ass off and become official. Not every official faction has to be a gang I assume. There are other illegal means. Militias, etc.

I'll say start off by giving this a -1. Simply put, more NCZ's, deter RP on so many levels outside of social aspects. I think a big issue that some people have on ECRP is that they misunderstand the point of RP. Everyone has their own stories, their own path they're trying to follow and it's not up to you to decide how I RP and the same vice versa. Your story may not be my story, so you have to allow things to naturally take course and not force something onto someone, but deal with the results as they come, as you would normally in your story progression. I will be linking a thread that I made recently, as I do agree that civs need just as much of an update as Crims do and I will keep pushing for this until it's acknowledged and confirmed that it's been seen. Drug labs are dying off as a result of constant and massive PD/SD presence up north. Robbing stores have become a mute option due to this fact as well, and as an entirety, we're really struggling to stay on top of content. We have to use our imagination to provide more criminalRP and that's perfectly fine, but to say that there's "so much crims can do" is not exactly valid. I can never understand why people think that Zetas are allied with every gang in the city, it's actually amazing that people think that. Our only ally are Triads and I apologize that you missed out on a ton of huge wars we've fought, but that isn't exactly our problem, is it? To actually sit there and claim that we're trying to fuck over Civs is beyond me. I ask everyone in this community openly stop acting like your shit doesn't stink No one is perfect and just because an RP scenario doesn't go completely as planned, just means a possible wrench was thrown in and disrupted the process, that is also RP. Do you understand how bad official gangs want to be more passive in our approach? We really want to, but we need other shit to do, otherwise we're forced to create scenarios that provide criminals with more content that isn't script related, do you guys really not understand this? Instead of extorting you, we could sell drugs at your club, but that's near impossible because not everyone carries pocket money and the drugs can be made by anyone, and do little to nothing. Back in the day, warehouses imported drugs, so they were a lot more rare and used in RP scenarios. Now, everyone can cook, including legal workers. Instead of trying to blame CrimRP for things that occur, try to see it from our pov and offer a solution to the problem. Last night, 3 drug labs were down; that should tell you something. I would also appreciate it if civs stopped acting as if Zetas/Triads are badits only looking for loot. If we didn't always try to improve and didn't give a shit about RP, we'd go around robbing pauls/osva farm. We could hit LSC and Bayview every single day and we would walk into mines/butchers and storm the place multiple times a day. Appreciate the fact that we stay out of your kitchen for the absolute most part. When DCC was being extorted by the irish, we stepped in and stopped that in it's tracks. When bayview needs help, we come with heaps of back up to help them out and if we see pauls farm being robbed, we step in to stop it from happening. This is a fact. As an official faction, just like the government ones, we are tasked with housing players on ECRP and giving them an awesome experienced, we do not differ from anyone else in that aspect. These are not friends that were recruited through OOC purposes. These are people that are probably your friends, that used to work for PD, MD, etc. That being said, RP standard on ECRP is a global thing, we're all responsible for each other. If someone leaves PD and joins crim, that means both factions were perfectly fine with the standard of RP that person showcased and to act like he's now all of a sudden different now that he's no longer PD or a civ is simply hypocritical. Things need to change to some degrees, but we also need to be honest with ourselves here.

Hey

+1

+1 easily. That shit's ugly as shit to even look at tbh

You can still use F4 to check who's online and who isn't, same thing.

+1 easily

Yes please.

There's not much benefit over other gangs at the moment in general. We get heavy imports, but we can't share them with any other gang because the ammo pool is entirely too low. We're capped at 60 members (Unofficial factions can have tons more than us) and that about sums it up. The ability icly that we have comes purely from IC actions. Giving us the ability to sell drugs P2P in a way that makes sense, allows us to be more passive and gives us opportunity to create business ventures for many others. Personally I don't see a downside, we only gain RP. We already have money, that isn't the goal here. We want more RP focused activities, things that will actually push RP to the community, giving them a reason to buy and sell drugs. Yes, we could make drugs at the current drug lab, but what exactly is the incentive for people to actually buy them? It doesn't work. The money reeled in comes from NPC drug drop offs, not P2P.

I gotchu. The main point of this suggestion is allowing official gangs to have a more passive impact on ECRP. We've gotten to the point of millions of dollars, constant cash flow and nice cars and shit, this doesn't interest a lot of us anymore. We want the ability to boost RP with the community, allowing us to become plugs of certain things, in order to provide positive RP for street gangs. Imagine being part of a grove street type of gang and your leader found a cartel connect with high end coke at good prices. That will allow us to middle man the drugs, allowing for some pretty sick and consistent RP. I imagine detectives would have such a good time with this one. Interrogating someone to rat out the plug, etc. Shit, imagine being a new player and someone offers you some mid-high grade drugs to push on the streets.

Gun sales are a huge part of crimRP and ways to make cash. Very limited ammo= WAY less gun sales. This is a critical issue and unless you're part of these official factions or a criminal faction in general, you wouldn't understand the dire impact it has on us. I don't mind being limited on ammo, I mind fighting with 3 others gangs with the laptop to get 20 ammo. That's not fun, it's not good RP and it's killing gun sale RP big time. We want our ammo separated.

New Drug Market Different grade drugs - Low / Mid / High Low and Mid grade marijuana grow at current drug labs Make it change between low / mid after turning it into blunts at drug lab can sell at current drop offs, same effect from smoking it. - High Grade Marijuana would be imported through the laptop official gangs have access to. - High grade marijuana wouldn’t be able to be sold at drug drop offs. Add new effect to it (make you hungry faster, thirsty, similar shroom visual effect) Wouldn’t produce seeds (would have to import them) Other High end Drugs Make other drugs ( Cocaine / Ecstasy / Heroin / Meth / Shrooms / Steroids ) That are imported through the laptop at a higher grade, which would make these not able to be sold at drug drop-offs but would make the effects last longer than the normal version (excluding shrooms and steroids) Overall, this would create new and more basic gang / criminal rp and it would create an entire new economy for drugs itself with a player to player market, it would also give PD a new thing to look for while on duty. Possible to add new effects or rework the current effects of drugs we have available now. Weed doesn’t have any effect, it would be nice to add an effect that would make the player base enjoy and like to use, and would increase the amount of player to player RP through the drug scene. New weight and look of imported drugs Create bricks of drugs and weed bails as a visual for the new items 1 brick = 1 kilo (2 vol each brick) 1 weed bail = 1 lb (2 vol each weed bail) Create a new command to break down the high grade drugs into single use product 1 brick & weed bail breaks down into 16 single doses /breakdown minimum amount ordered is 5 bricks or bails on import. Max amount: 30 Brick= $8000 x 5 = minimum $40,000 an order Weed bail = $5000 x 5 = minimum $25,000 an order Portable Drug labs Importable Labs - Ordered from current laptop - Can be taken down and reused - Can be destroyed by rivals and police Comes with a different style laptop, which orders ingredients for high grade drugs Ordering the ingredients would give you the same 5% chance of getting caught as the gun imports do. Locations and Police interactions Players capable of importing labs would have to either own a warehouse, business, or take the high risk chance with the police / rivals and place it in the outdoors. Police would have multiple things to look for to catch the new labs, examples of what they’d be looking for Outdoor labs in the woods, open areas, abandoned properties Police would get a 5% chance of detecting importable materials Drug materials in bulk, or together would be probable arrest for drug manufacturing Drug materials in small doses by themselves ( same type not multiple types ) isnt probable arrest. New laptop uses (comes with portable drug lab) New laptops would only import High end drug materials They would come with a 5% chance of getting detected from the police You would only be able to use the laptop if you are granted permission like the current laptop has. Let's bounce ideas guys, this is just opening the can of worms. Even if you don't agree with this, maybe post your opinion below and let's discuss.

Please, I beg of you +1

Why pop the trunk on someone when you can drop the bag?

The current ammo count is way too low. Sharing it between 4 gangs when it's already limited is beyond overkill currently. Do you think waiting for 50 minutes for 20 micro ammo is okay? I'm curious. It doesn't slow down DM at all, considering getting .50s (which is basically a heavy weapon itself) is the easiest thing ever. It kicks like horse legs. Limiting us to basically nothing when we have to provide a 60 member capped faction is generally not okay. The limit I mentioned was limiting the max amount of ammo per gang at 100 and raise the refresh rate, I think that's pretty fair. 100 Ammo is 1 full clip of an AK with a drum mag, that's a single AK and the minimum you can order is 10 AK's.

Exiled, deported, etc. It makes sense RPly in a sense that he's no longer in the city. I get what you're saying and you're correct, but at the same time, do you want me to act like my homie didn't exist? Hell naw.

So I was having one of many conversations about what could help improve the current state of ECRP and a few ideas came up that I wanted to share. Don't get me wrong, I think ECRP is awesome, but no matter how awesome you are, there's always room for improvement. One should always aim high and never get settled in. Keep building, keep improving and keep moving forward. I'll list them without too much detail, just to see what people think about these and perhaps we could start some type of conversation surrounding this. Civilian Roleplay I truly believe that civilian RP is life's blood of Eclipse. We'll always have people who want to RP as Crim and law enforcement but widespread focus on civilian RP is what's going to balance the player base and provide more interactions and RP at a much bigger scale, and I do believe giving those new players a more simple place to belong would serve as the best decision eclipse could ever make. See right now, new players rush Crim because they quickly start to realize, the side jobs don't pay much and the government jobs take almost a week to get a payout, while criminals get that cash immediately along with some proper fun to boot. Here's something I think we'll all enjoy. - Raise the payout on side jobs such as Postal, Money truck, wheat farming, bus driving, etc. Give a base pay for trucking, allowing the owners of businesses to make orders still, but the extra money becomes labor fee. Example, say I make an order for 2500 liters of gas. I may set the payment at $1300, but their base pay could be 500, filling in that rental fee and allowing them more motivation to even do truckers to begin with, without taking too much profit from business owners. See with a lot of businesses, we get hit with a 35% tax and I'll expand on this more. In order to fill 20k liters into a station, it costs 100k flat at $5 stock. Now if I want to make reasonable profit on that, I'd put it at $8, which would then give me a 60k profit every time I sell out. Yet, I have to pay truckers to fill these orders as well, so on top of the 60k, I'm making, $49,600 every sell out if I pay the truckers $1300 per order of 2500 liters. That's only at a $1300 payout to the truckers, minus their own rental fee and tax, they make much less than the $1300 I'm paying them. TL;Dr, it's chump change and I would love to pay them more, but I'm not going to dig too deep into my minimal profits to do so because keep in mind, if it takes me a month to get $1.5m in my business, 35% tax will give me $975k and that will be much less if I dig deeper into paying out truckers even more. Back on topic completely: These side jobs should pay more in order to give these new players and current civilians something to do, knowing it's worth it at the end of the day. The economy isn't being ruined by higher payments, it's being ruined by people who have way too much while everyone else has so little. When new business locations open, who gets them? Mostly older players from an older economy that are already set, buying them up before the price decrease even kicks in on the business. When I sell a vehicle and take a 5% hit, it doesn't hurt me because I know that money will come back to me in a full circle. It hurts the Average Joe who does not have a passive income. - Give government jobs their labor back. When I used to work at LSC, there would be a base fee and a labor fee and every paycheck, I would head over to the poker table and spend my hard earned cash, losing most of the time but winning from the enjoyment I received from being a gambling addict. It got so bad, that LSC threatened to fire me and/or not promote me if I kept gambling; it was a great time. I would be hype to see someone fully maxing their car, because I knew I would take a percentage of that labor into my own salary, immediately. It wasn't too much, but it wasn't too little and the payments were enough to keep me working. I'm a strong believer in "if something isn't broken, don't fix it" I hate to pull the "It's still a video game" statement, but that doesn't make me wrong about it either. I get why payments are almost weekly now, it promotes more realism. Yet ask yourself, "does it promote a more entertaining environment?" if the answer is no, or neutral, then something is wrong. I think automatic salaries were awesome and these should revert back to how they used to be. It didn't hurt the economy and it didn't make you rich. In order to see real money from it, you had to REALLY put time and effort in, but you also didn't sit there starving broke until next week either. It was a great balance and it did exactly what it was supposed to do. - State Government needs work, asap. I think there's so much room to build upon the current State Government. When it was first opened, I was excited and I filled out an application and joined up immediately, but I feel I was mislead. I got bored, stopped working and eventually got fired for it, which is fair. Now is a greater time than ever to give ourselves more realism and fun. Lawyers, judges and business licenses. Currently, PD handles their own IA department and while some people would argue that it's fine, I don't think it is for multiple reasons. I'm not here to debate with you people, I'm here to give you an idea that promotes better RP and see if you'll bite. I think the state government should completely handle IA reports in the future. I'm not saying this because I think PD is incapable of it, I'm saying it because we have a 'state government' that's almost dead and it could be something they're in charge of, in order to give them more to do. Although I wouldn't recommend it, you could take the same people doing IA reports now, place them into a different faction that handles it and boom, nothing changes if that's what you really want. If an officer has an IA report against him, what better time to have a judge, jury and lawyers? If PD is going to house raid someone, what better time to get a warrant from said people? There's so much room for State gov, I can't touch on all of them but I can raise the idea and let you all think. Social security numbers, physical ID's, warrants, bounty hunting offers for contracted bounty hunters, for high value wanted targets. (not a Dead or Alive thing, mainly just alive lol), gun licenses, etc. There's too much lmao Misc suggestions - Organize the clothing options around the stores of LS, create a jeweler and mask shop. You want more realism? Bet, say less. Let's take a lesson from GTA story mode and section out these stores. You want urban clothes? Go to an urban spot. You want luxury clothing? Go to a suburban spot to get them. You want jewels? Head over to the jeweler. You want a mask? head over the mask shop near Vespucci. I think this would promote more realism in itself. You could even add scripts to remove certain clothing items without going to the store in order to press "remove". For example, /takeoffchain. If I'm robbing someone and he has a chain on or a watch, shit maybe both. "Yo ima need all that shit, take that chain off" or /me attempts to snatch his chain. The options are almost endless. Should I take my shirt off for some spicey ERP? /takeoffshirt Ya'll get the idea, I won't go too deep. Minor Crim suggestion (I know some things are probably already in the works, but I thought I'd add this for safe keeping really) - Please give us more ammo on the laptop. Waiting for 50 minutes to get 30 micro Ammo is not the wave, point blank. At least separate the ammo count per official gang, we should have our own stock from our own plugs. There's no reason ALL of us have to share the same overseas connect, that just isn't realistic. Fighting with other gangs to get 30 ammo around the clock isn't fun, it's the absolute opposite. Beyond anything criminal related, this is a genuine issue I feel should be fixed asap. If Irish were around, why would Zetas (Cartel) and Irish (IRA) share the same ammo count? This basically forces friction between official gangs, disallowing us from actually selling guns to people because we get to the point where we HAVE to share all of it with our members for personal use, because it's so very limited, it can't be wasted on anyone else. That's reason enough for official gangs to war with each other, because if they die off, we get more ammo. That should not be a reason to go to war and we've refrained from doing that, but for how long can that mentality be kept up? For the love of all official gangs, please fix this laptop system. Before any criminal updates, this needs to be #1 in my opinion and I'm sure we can agree on this one without too much trouble. I'm not saying there should be 300-400 ammo up at one time, you could separate each gangs ammo reserve to 100 or so and raise the refresh rate. We don't care, as long as we're not battling for ammo with other gangs. To all the PD and unofficial gangs reading this. Keep in mind, this also effects you. Ya'll want more guns at a reasonable price? Think about it. PD, do you want to see less large scale fighting in the city? Think about it. Official gangs should have the opportunity to be more passive for the sake of the community. No one wants us roaming around like terrorists, so please provide us with some content. Selling guns is part of that, would you shoot and rob a loyal customer? We want the ability to sell high grade drugs, imported from the laptop. We want to sell guns, we want to provide much more to Eclipse, but there's only so much we can do without some help along the way. We've reached the point where we're official and we want to be the symbol of organized crime. There's no reason we should have to rob drug labs and do petty stuff like robbing stores and cooking drugs, when we could be the plug for everyone else. You want some high end, potent coke for parties? Come to Zetas and buy it. You want some high end, wild ass heroin straight from China? Go hit up Triads. You get the point, I'm sure we can all agree on something. Allow us official gangs to stay out of the way and oversee others in our lane, like we're supposed to. We could do so much more and take away so much less.

Suck my ass from the back, no cap.

I used to be like you bruh. I watched shit like kymatica, Baraka and I was on my spiritual, "fuck the 1% shit". While I agree that there's corruption behind every society and there's very few people who own way too much of the wealth, no one really cares. You're no che guevara and if you were, you wouldn't be here. Society is built off of corruption and it's been that way since forever and nothing will change that.

Thanks mane. The Zetas operate as one unit when all is said and done but we do have other groups and families within the organization as an entirety. Some people bring in groups of 3-4 people with them sometimes less but ultimately, we aim to teach individualism. Everyone makes their own path within the organization and they're responsible for their own reputation on the streets, rather than using the Zeta name as a means to shortcut that ordeal. You'll rarely see huge group RP, as it feels forced and less organic, rather than allowing your personal character to naturally ride into the RP. We've had plenty of cliques in the past as well, ranging from Sicarios to Uk-Tac1, Zet Dogs, etc this is nothing new. We don't want people who are going to use our name as a handicap to ensure their safety, we'd rather absorb people if that make sense.

Best of luck boys, always loved the vory's and the people in it. Much respect

(Ima stop posting cuz ima just end up roasting everyone) Delete this please, I'm too ghetto for forums. I will say this though. For months people bitched and moaned about how all of the official and non official gangs hold hands and how we should fight and the moment we do, people complain again. I'm honestly kinda dumbfounded, not gonna lie.

Edit: (Unneeded post)

When you brand yourself as a criminal faction, you bare the weight of your empire possibly crumbling at some point in time. Nothing is forever and on a server that's based around RP, if you talk that shit you have to walk it as well, otherwise you get exposed. As a criminal enterprise, your goal should not only be financially secure, but to also maintain a level of control, monopoly and build/maintain beneficial and long term relationships. For legal jobs you have plenty of factions and options. You have LSC, Bayview, MD, PD, SD, DOC, DCC, etc and when you choose to pick the criminal portion of ECRP, you are making exactly that, a choice. We've had territories in the past before and the result remained the same during times of war. It didn't just start and end at the capture point, but it did serve as a time where you had to fight your hardest. When you have time at your disposal, it's best to not waste it. Make money, form relationships, build build build and build and never stop building. If you roleplay as a small street gang and you're fine with that, that's an okay choice but if your ambitions are even higher, a small street gang can turn into a small militia in the future. You're not limited to your initial RP and with time, things change. You can mold with the times or build around it but again, those are all choices. -1 Simply because the more restrictions you add onto something, the less freedom your RP has and when that happens, RP decreases and you're left with "This is how you do it, so only do it this way" I cannot get behind that. I can also tell you, boredem isn't even 30% of the reasons Zetas went to war with wanted and the fact that people are even mentioning something like that says a lot, especially when the reasons were given to you in immense detail during an IC meet. To act like we have no reason is honestly insulting to say the least.