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It's a roleplay server not a competitive FPS it doesn't need to be balanced at all, the point of a roleplay server is to emulate aspects of real life things and play a character. It's a hard pill to swallow and this comes from someone who has always roleplayed a criminal but roleplaying a criminal comes with consequences just as breaking the law IRL does not being able to drive for 24 hours for driving recklessly isn't that big of a punishment at all compared to the consequences in the real world and that's the point we take things from real life and dumb them down to a video game setting. There will always be criminal players people have been saying "X will drive criminal RP out" for my 3 years here yet its never happened just like there will always be LEO and civilian players. As others have stated the time for license suspension was already reduced at this point your just asking for no consequences for your actions which in of itself is a play to win mindset.

Maybe because doing a wheelie irl on the side of what would be a major busy highway would probably get your licence suspended same with being on your phone while driving. LEO's are supposed to be overpowered that's the point of law enforcement, there's consequences to breaking the law if that's something you can't handle then maybe illegal roleplay isn't for you.

Actions have consequences, don't evade if you can't handle said consequences.

While it's probably going off topic one thing to add to this is that eclipse if anything offers the best of both worlds. As someone who has always been primarily into text rp I have always used text here too and always prefer to write out longer detailed RP. During my 3 years here having being in multiple illegal and legal factions the server was always able to facilitate that, hell even in a law enforcement faction as far as I know outside of teamspeak for tac channels people are free to use text there too. You will be pressed to find any other server that offers that freedom of playstyle anywhere else. As far as PD/SD go when it comes to the discussion of gang warfare as said already they will always be a reactive force, they simply go where the crime is and honestly over the years PD and SD has improved a lot, its not perfect but then again nothing ever will be.

Haven't really been on the server for a while but recently came back due to the recent rule changes and my question is simply why it took so long for such changes to occur? This isn't meant to be disrespectful to the staff team but as far as I know at least in my 3 years on the server the DM rules have always allowed constant ruleplaying due to the way they were written yet time and time again suggestions were put out to improve this with no results until now. When the robbery rules first came out in 2020 while everyone agreed it was a good change for civilian RP it was made aware to Faction management they were extremely damaging to illegal RP which if you look at any reports from 2020 proved to be true allowing for more ruleplaying. During the time of constant suggestions going out to improve these two rules to allow for more roleplay over ruleplaying genuinely decent Factions have closed, players who contributed a lot to the server have left or either banned. People taking things to the player reports section over just dealing with things IC has been an issue due to the staff team allowing it and because the server gave these players who only cared about winning the tools to do so. I seen a fair few comments of people saying they are nervous to engage in illegal rp or shootouts due to fear of taking a punishment regardless of them actually doing anything wrong but this has been said a lot a year or two ago this isn't anything new. Server management needs to take a more proactive approach to implementing changes and listening to the community because in my opinion these changes were due long ago.

oh no cringe

Could also argue admins and FM team are the reason criminal RP took a massive L and now needs assistance now to build it back up, these last few months are the reason why most criminal players have felt a lack of motivation to play. While Turfs definetly revived a lot of it, a lot of the downfall came from the lack of the transparency from FM and admins such as bringing in things like a 40 member cap out of nowhere and many other decisions over the last few months which were just honestly poorly communicated to criminal factions sparking a lot of negative reactions such as this one. After reading Ballin's comment I see how my original comments and speculations were wrong and these factions could actually be a good thing but as said this could have all been avoided had it been communicated better to players which in my opinion is the real issue here and has been an issue for a while now, how can you expect players to not get mad when changes are made without any form of information on those changes, we can only form opinions and provide feedback based on the information we have at the time.

Pretty much this, how can you expect people not to get mad when from everyone elses view it seems like admins just started up a faction and just gave themselves everything and completely ignored transfer request rules while others had to work hard for months. Sitting there saying "just be quiet and trust us" doesn't exactly work.

So your complaining that your being hunted because your gang started a war with the objective to take down the council. When you declare war you can't just expect the rival gang to just let you relax at pier fishing making money, the pier isn't an ncz. Your high command made a decision to attempt to take down the council now your suffering the IC consequences one of those being hunted wherever you go. If you can't handle war then maybe you should drop colors and go legal because most of this seems like IC issue.

There already is less shootouts with PD/SD compared to a year ago. Most official gangs have put a lot of procedures into place to reduce PD/SD shootouts like requiring permission from a higherup and a valid reason to engage in a shootout with law enforcement just as one example. At some point though criminals and cops will always come to a point where they interact with each other and sometimes it just so happens to turn into a shootout. It's just how things are.

In what world do cops have guns and equipment that magically can't be taken from them. The whole point of the suggestion is to make cops value their lives more and have some consequences for their actions rather than just die, wake up at pillbox, grab another cruiser and carbine and jump back on patrol. Doubt

You can actually get 6 hours because of someone else's fault or because the officer did feel like it. Things aren't always in your control when you play crim. Plus it's really easy to just sit there and talk about actions having more consequences when you play PD where your actions literally have 0 consequences, when you can just run into heavily armed criminals completely outnumbered and just spawn back at MD, grab another cruiser and just go back on patrol. If you think doing 6 hours in prison is ok then you have never done it.

The problem with this is it would require me literally asking every officer I see using /pw to get ammo or armour if they have RP proof of placing extra ammo into their cruisers and would require officers constantly screenshotting putting extra ammo into their cruisers. Wouldn't it be better to just scriptly limit the amount of times an officer can use /pw from a cruiser and once their limited amount of uses run out they have to go back to one of the stations across the map to refill. Your most definetly right here I can admit I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to the OOC rules law enforcement factions have to follow as I'm not in any law enforcement factions, a suggestion for this would be for law enforcement factions to have more clarity and maybe announce any rule changes made to their OOC policies given PD is probably one of the biggest and most infuential factions on the server because personally I just don't see this heavily monitored PD when I see half the stuff they do. Just like I said in my comment there is a lot PD and SD can improve and good suggestions that come from these threads that could possibly be implemented rather than law enforcement players just coming in here like "jUsT pLaY sMaRtEr". The responses that have come from PD players on this thread are the reason why there's so much OOC tension between criminal and law enforcement factions. I know that at least from the criminal factions I have been in, a lot of suggestions that come from FM and PD are actually impemented ranging from needing permission from higherups to engage in shootouts with PD/SD to limit the amount of shootouts that happen to limiting the amount of people chasing cars through a city and that's just a few examples.

I mean you talk about selective realism but PD had a fit when they lost the ability to use player ID's to MDC search because it's almost as if people don't have floating numbers above their heads IRL. If we wanna talk about realism then PD shouldn't be able to just spam /pw and get guns, armour, ammo out of nowhere like they are driving a military armoury on wheels when realistically they would have to go back and restock after use and the ammo available would be limited, If we want to talk about realism then gangs shouldn't have to fight over 20 ak ammo in the laptop when realistically a mexican cartel/chinese crime syndicate would be able to supply itself and most definetly wouldn't recieve supply from the same source. Your most definetly right in the sense that people complain about the realism of the other side without thinking of ways their own factions can improve RP but my issue is lately gangs have been blasted with rules ranging from server rules to war rules and just general complaints from FM in ways to improve their RP yet I never see any of this coming from law enforcement factions in ways they can improve because I can tell you know there's definetly things PD and SD can improve on. But hey criminal faction bad right.

I dunno good RP should go both ways, how can you expect criminals to even provide good RP on a scene when all we get is auto hotkey RP and insta /b stop stalling whenever we go into detail about our injuries. The next problem with death RP is it doesn't matter about how good your RP is because all it takes is one cop who doesn't like you or your faction and it's denied. I don't really ask for death RP and at times have even turned it down when offered because it wouldn't fit the direction of RP but I'm at the point where I have personally given up in trying to provide any good RP for both sides on scenes because it's usually ruined by this whole play to win mentallity.