Requiring acceptance to open downed players invintory.

[Lucius.D]

If a MD needs a /do success inorder to IV a Coma patient then if a concious player is injured and down, they should have to give permission before someone can open their inventory. 

 

I was hit by a car and surrounded by concerned friends. Medics were on their way but i was bleeding out. Some guy rolls up on a bike jumps off searches my inventory takes my gun and some of my shit before people realize what he was doing and rides off. How is that acceptable? 

I should be required to do something lke /acceptsteal or something before my body can be looted while alive. 

[Revelt]

1 hour ago, Lucius.D said:

If a MD needs a /do success inorder to IV a Coma patient then if a concious player is injured and down, they should have to give permission before someone can open their inventory. 

 

I was hit by a car and surrounded by concerned friends. Medics were on their way but i was bleeding out. Some guy rolls up on a bike jumps off searches my inventory takes my gun and some of my shit before people realize what he was doing and rides off. How is that acceptable? 

I should be required to do something lke /acceptsteal or something before my body can be looted while alive. 

well its an IC thing, 

[Emulsify]

On some aspects to do agree and in others I don’t but I do think it should be something that should be thought about. It could be the same system as the normal /frisk. This then would stop people from coming up and taking them without rp.

Edited September 10, 2019 by Emulsify

[Xoza]

Now that dead bodies are a thing now I'm going to +1 this... or at least minimum show a start search /ame if there isn't one. There's one for /frisk ing.

Either way, nothing should be done without proper RP.

Hmm... They could have broken powergaming rules, mods decision, I would report them so at least we all know how it would be ruled.

Let's help promote good roleplay, not contribute to it's degradation.

[Zion Willard]

8 hours ago, Emulsify said:

If they didn’t rp with you (/mes and /dos) it would be against the rules. Feel free to report them if you have evidence.

On some aspects to do agree and in others I don’t but I do think it should be something that should be thought about. It could be the same system as the normal /frisk. This then would stop people from coming up and taking them without rp.

Wouldn’t be against the rules as an /ame appears - there have been reports to this topic which have all been denied. In regards to the suggestion, I’m neutral on it.  

Edited September 5, 2019 by Zion Willard

[Emulsify]

 

8 minutes ago, Zion Willard said:

Wouldn’t be against the rules as an /ame appears

He is talking about when you are injured, not dead. The ame only shows up if the person is dead.

[Zion Willard]

9 minutes ago, Emulsify said:

 

He is talking about when you are injured, not dead. The ame only shows up if the person is dead.

Nope, if you are injured they will have an /ame appear when they take items from you. Unless that was a change that went into place in the last 12 hours. Injured man in the picture below, ame shown for item taken. 

Edited September 5, 2019 by Zion Willard

[Emulsify]

Personally i am unsure myself, the person in the picture seems to be dead as there is no ID and the ame is showing the player taking items and not opening the inventory. Besides this i do think that it would be a great idea to add, it stops new players coming and taking your things with no RP. 

[Jasmine]

Once again, agree with this completely.

Yes, proper RP is still required, yes they should do /me and /do. That's exactly right.

So if it doesn't matter, why not give control of your personal inventory to the player?
All of those things would still apply, but the player would have control over it and be able to stop a non-rp or rulebreak. 

The way it is now....we get downed, we get looted, and now I have to do a forum report, and a refund request....unless it is less than $25k, in which case I am just SOL. 
Wastes time, requires extra work on the victim, and encourages bad RP on people doing this.

I would also like to point out...sometimes people are downed by bugs or MC or glitches....yet they still have no control over stopping looting...
If there is a choice, control over a persons belongings and body should remain with the player (the same way dropping guns or looting cash or frisking works).

Edited September 5, 2019 by Jasmine

[alexalex303]

I am against this. 

I believe that you do not have any way to reasonably resist being searched when injured, and I do not wish to see people refusing to accept a search because "it was DM" or "RP it more", and other stalling tactics.

-1

[Aldarine]

When you are in a downed state, no matter the reason or what you RP, you are completely vulnerable and cannot fight back/resist. Your health bar is actively decreasing and therefore you should be absolutely more concerned for your life than any of your personal belongings. It is annoying/frustrating when you are downed and get looted? Absolutely it is, but at the end of the day you're in a situation where you are in no way able to deny the looting player.

[jowebb7]

I am going to play devils advocate here.... but I have seen many reports where people have reported others for Non-RP because they didn’t /me and /do looting them while they were downed and they have all been declined because of the “/ame” above the head while “looting”. That would lead me to believe that, while it might be bad practice, it is not against the rules. 

[Pistol Pete]

-1. Searching injured player inventories without player-provided RP was considered a rule break in the past. It was known as "ninjalooting".

However, it was agreed that injured players wouldn't be in a position to resist another player searching them. There's also multiple AME's generated throughout the process (initial "i", when the player's inventory is opened and then for each item taken). 

On 9/5/2019 at 8:22 PM, alexalex303 said:

I believe that you do not have any way to reasonably resist being searched when injured, and I do not wish to see people refusing to accept a search because "it was DM" or "RP it more", and other stalling tactics.

^ Basically this!

[obama]

+1 Good idea 

[TheCanadian]

On 9/5/2019 at 3:22 PM, alexalex303 said:

I am against this. 

I believe that you do not have any way to reasonably resist being searched when injured, and I do not wish to see people refusing to accept a search because "it was DM" or "RP it more", and other stalling tactics.

-1

agree with Alex here. Ninja looting rules were a thing way back, but they got removed for a reason. 

 

This would just add another way to stall RP until back up arrives or have ooc fights like the quoted comment above.  When you get blasted with a shotgun 3x, sorry my man but you are in no state to resist a frisk and people taking your items.

Edited September 8, 2019 by TheCanadian

[Flucifial]

On 9/5/2019 at 2:53 AM, Emulsify said:

If they didn’t rp with you (/mes and /dos) it would be against the rules. Feel free to report them if you have evidence.

No it wouldn’t be breaking the rules, pressing I isn’t considered a command and there is an automatic /ame with it, dead or alive. It’s been discussed in the past.

 

Neutral on the suggestion as I understand the reasoning but am not sure if it’s necessary.

Edited September 8, 2019 by Flucifial

[Emulsify]

After seeing all the comments, i have now changed my mind. -1 I would just be a way for people to stall and it would be unrealistic along with other things.

[LiveTrash]

-1 Support

It would be too easy for someone to continue to deny the looting process if they don't want their items stolen. As has been mentioned, they should be fearing for their life more than their items. Yes it's annoying if someone runs up and just presses " i " to loot you, it's happened to me numerous times, but it's just how it is. Being as careful as possible to not get in a downed state is all you can do.

[Marca]

I don't think an approval command is required when you're downed. While there is an action timer when you're looking through the inventory, it's pretty useless since nobody around you can see you're searching the person. I think that once you press i, an /ame would display and maybe even an animation, indicating you're searching someone.

[Brixton]

On 9/5/2019 at 3:22 PM, alexalex303 said:

I am against this. 

I believe that you do not have any way to reasonably resist being searched when injured, and I do not wish to see people refusing to accept a search because "it was DM" or "RP it more", and other stalling tactics.

-1

I agree and disagree with you for two reasons.

1. I agree, if even a little, most likely not though if the person could resist, they probably could not do much.

2. If you go to frisk them under the impression they cant do much because they are injured, then your wrong. No matter what players should be able to defend themselves when being looted. Yes, script the player is injured and cant move based on that. But that does not give players a right to run up and loot a player knowing he cant move AT ALL because hes injured. The player can still RP in some form in his final moments if thats the case, even if its swiping his hands weaselly at you to get you to stop taking his things.

[Zelyr]

Big +1 

[padpilot]

On 9/5/2019 at 8:34 PM, Aldarine said:

When you are in a downed state, no matter the reason or what you RP, you are completely vulnerable and cannot fight back/resist. Your health bar is actively decreasing and therefore you should be absolutely more concerned for your life than any of your personal belongings. It is annoying/frustrating when you are downed and get looted? Absolutely it is, but at the end of the day you're in a situation where you are in no way able to deny the looting player.

that might be the problem, being "downed" doesnt make you dead, if a player goes down alone, they can still wriggle around and find their phone, if i went down and had only broken my leg, i would do a /do right leg broken as anybody appeared, this lets the player know that your upper body is still functioning, a decent RP player will take note of this and RP accordingly. Its very very unrealitic to be "downed" and in no way be able to protect yourself, unless at Eclipse being "downed" means that you are actually unconscious. in which case, nobody should be talking or moving a muscle in that state. Either you are functioning to the best of your ability when downed, or you are unconscioius. Which is it? 

example, falls from pedal bike, twists ankle, sitting on the floor waiting for an ambulance, eneymy robber comes along, attamepts to take your wallet from your upper left side jacket pocket (upper body) fully functioning, "yeah sure sir, its in my jacket pocket, i would try and stop you with my arms or hands but i cant, ive got a boo boo on my ankle"

just makes no sense at all and fails in RP. 

An approval action should be required, and players should be expected to RP accordingly, RP you accidne to a higher enough degree and a player will not be able to just walk over and rob you, just make sure you provide enough "/do leg is hurt but upper body still functioning" so they other player is aware of your current RP vitality and moblity. It is then on the other player to /me attempts to rob the player /do success... to which the reply can be, /do no, upper body still functioning, would fight off the robber from the groud, flalling and punching whilst shouting for help. 

This is imo, and it is how i would expect the server to operate. #

 

edit : if the other player ignores your /do ankle is hurt but upper body still functioing asnd continues to rob you, imo that powergaming as it ignores your current RP state and should be worthy of a report, as you did not get a chance to RP your response. 

 

Edited September 10, 2019 by padpilot

[padpilot]

On 9/8/2019 at 5:47 PM, LiveTrash said:

-1 Support

It would be too easy for someone to continue to deny the looting process if they don't want their items stolen. As has been mentioned, they should be fearing for their life more than their items. Yes it's annoying if someone runs up and just presses " i " to loot you, it's happened to me numerous times, but it's just how it is. Being as careful as possible to not get in a downed state is all you can do.

This is just low level RP and encourages other to do the same. If you can speak on a radio when downed, call medical services or speak to people then there is a very good chance you can move and defend yourself (to a degree) within the same situation. Also, being downed, why would you fear for your life, just because someone is approacxhing you or anything, depends where you are, what weapon they have, are their other pedestrians around, have you called emergency services already etc etc. Fearing for your life is a bit extreme if you only have a busted ankle, ofc if you came out of a window a 110 mph then you should RP that and in that instanmce ofc would have no control over your possesions, but that is not always the case. 

 

To stop people from stalling then leave the scripts out of it and keep it all RP. if you go to rob someone and they say /do my legs are hurt but arms are functioning then play around it,, ask them their injuries and play around them, threaten to jujmp on their legs if they dont give you their stuff, do something, anything other than just walking up to them and looting them. its just silly to b inches away from someone sound of mind, speaking to you, arms fully working whilst they sit there, quietly being robbed being unable to do anything, when moments later a paramedic is like /do attempts to help the man walk to the ambulance - / do yes, success, i only hurt one ankle lol

IF i see any of my mates displaying such low level non contrcuctive RP then ill shoot them and rob them myself. 

[Aldarine]

1 hour ago, padpilot said:

that might be the problem, being "downed" doesnt make you dead, if a player goes down alone, they can still wriggle around and find their phone, if i went down and had only broken my leg, i would do a /do right leg broken as anybody appeared, this lets the player know that your upper body is still functioning, a decent RP player will take note of this and RP accordingly. Its very very unrealitic to be "downed" and in no way be able to protect yourself, unless at Eclipse being "downed" means that you are actually unconscious. in which case, nobody should be talking or moving a muscle in that state. Either you are functioning to the best of your ability when downed, or you are unconscioius. Which is it? 

example, falls from pedal bike, twists ankle, sitting on the floor waiting for an ambulance, eneymy robber comes along, attamepts to take your wallet from your upper left side jacket pocket (upper body) fully functioning, "yeah sure sir, its in my jacket pocket, i would try and stop you with my arms or hands but i cant, ive got a boo boo on my ankle"

just makes no sense at all and fails in RP. 

An approval action should be required, and players should be expected to RP accordingly, RP you accidne to a higher enough degree and a player will not be able to just walk over and rob you, just make sure you provide enough "/do leg is hurt but upper body still functioning" so they other player is aware of your current RP vitality and moblity. It is then on the other player to /me attempts to rob the player /do success... to which the reply can be, /do no, upper body still functioning, would fight off the robber from the groud, flalling and punching whilst shouting for help. 

This is imo, and it is how i would expect the server to operate. #

 

edit : if the other player ignores your /do ankle is hurt but upper body still functioing asnd continues to rob you, imo that powergaming as it ignores your current RP state and should be worthy of a report, as you did not get a chance to RP your response. 

 

The thing is that once in a downed state, your health bar is actively decreasing meaning you are in the process of dying. That takes priority over whatever injury you decide to RP. Once a medic gets on scene and is able to stop the health decrease, you are free to then RP whatever injury you please (while still being realistic). In all actuality, people should be thinking heavily of what injuries they are roleplaying instead of trying to take the easy way out. A player slams their bike into a light post, is in a downed state and has their health bar seconds from empty, and they roleplay a broken leg with no bleeding, bruising, and no other injuries to the body? Now how does that make sense for an injury when your life is draining before your eyes? What about a twisted ankle? I'm 99.9% sure that won't kill you either but we have compromise which is why injuries like this are allowed. I will again state that the time between being put in a downed state and a medic arriving should be viewed by all players as the most vulnerable and frightening state they can possibly be in due to the fact that their life may be over any moment. If there was any form of required acceptance for a downed player robbery this would only result in stalled rp. Also, think about this... if there was an acceptance, what would prevent every single person from roleplaying a twisted ankle after they threw themselves off of a building just so they have grounds to resist? That's opening a whole new can of worms and giving a green light for massive non-rp behavior.

Edited September 10, 2019 by Aldarine

[Reckless311]

We're on a RP server and staff is saying that PG should be allowed in this instance.  I think any time you can RP you should.  That's what we're all here for, isn't it?  If someone that's downed refused the search, they'd be in violation of PG rule.  Why are people so against what this is supposed to be about?  +1 for suggestion, but senior mods and senior support have made it clear that this isn't against the rules.