KCAJ Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 -1 there’s already enough NCZs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmzy Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 -1 Should be less NCZ's Not more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denza Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Hoxton_Curry said: I find it funny how our RP is being judged while you guys know fuck all about the situaiton, remind yourself which faction rushed the nightclub after they were aware that multiple officers inside were shot dead by multiple heavy weapons while we had 2 officers and 10+ civilians hostage, after about 12 officers rushed in, died and killed no one, the people on the outside cleared the exit and we all ran out getting to our vehicles but instead of PD going inside clearing the club and checking on numerous hostages all of them started chasing us and other Zetas in blue which initiated a gun fight But It's fine I guess I'm very used of PD not knowing how to deal with hostage situations because It's been like this since I started playing edit: Really sorry for disregarding the comment above but I was typing this as the comment above was made and I really feel like everyone needs to look at their faction's RP before judging others It really was a confusing situation at first, I personally wouldnt enter any area to try and clear it when there is a risk of unavoidable danger on the outside. It was a massive gunfight that really shouldnt have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copes Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 -1 There is no need for more NCZs as it kills RP. A lot of people speaking on this topic are clearly ignorant to the RP that took place prior and should be happy there was a deeper meaning to the raid rather than simple, petty civilian robbery. Look at the bigger picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xoza Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Rubsmeister said: Again, you’re wrong. The reason was not to “loot” the nightclub. 2 weeks ago the owner was offered an opportunity to pay for security. He denied, told us to wave off and informed detectives about us. Ezekial said ICly: “I’m not worried about my club getting robbed, I told my guests not to bring anything anyway”. What kind of RP is that? Because of this behaviour we were left no choice but to show that we don’t play. The person extorting themself, who I will not reveal the identity of due to metagaming, was not involved in the raid. However I’m sure they will come back to the club soon enough to see if the owner has come to their senses. I hate to publicly have to reveal the bigger picture of our plan because you can’t stop complaining OOCly, but so be it I guess That make sense, apology, yes you are correct. I did not see or read replies after the first board. I knew of but didn't think of the extortion aspect when I posted. _________________________________________________ @NM369 do you wish to keep the suggestion open? This essentially can suggests all property businesses be NCZ's as well. Edited January 18, 2020 by Xoza 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riderz Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) Removed as it's not relevant to the suggestion --NCZ Portion -- - 1 NCZ's are outstanding for Social RP though as it stands the amount we have for such interactions is sufficient. Now for those who don't know what Social RP it is just simply the ability to interact with others and build connections. This form of RP is what all else is built on in the terms of story development and so on and so forth. Edited January 18, 2020 by Tezhl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubsmeister Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 21 minutes ago, Xoza said: That make sense, apology, yes you are correct. I did not see or read replies after the first board. Absolutely no problem, apology accepted. I think this shows a lot can be learned if we just take a moment to step in eachothers shoes and as Aldari mentioned, to not assume we have bad intentions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xoza Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Rubsmeister said: Absolutely no problem, apology accepted. I think this shows a lot can be learned if we just take a moment to step in eachothers shoes and as Aldari mentioned, to not assume we have bad intentions. I actually enjoyed the RP. I don't think hostages were intended since they have their own requirements, but all you and it was fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrUntouchable215 Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) I'll say start off by giving this a -1. Simply put, more NCZ's, deter RP on so many levels outside of social aspects. I think a big issue that some people have on ECRP is that they misunderstand the point of RP. Everyone has their own stories, their own path they're trying to follow and it's not up to you to decide how I RP and the same vice versa. Your story may not be my story, so you have to allow things to naturally take course and not force something onto someone, but deal with the results as they come, as you would normally in your story progression. I will be linking a thread that I made recently, as I do agree that civs need just as much of an update as Crims do and I will keep pushing for this until it's acknowledged and confirmed that it's been seen. Drug labs are dying off as a result of constant and massive PD/SD presence up north. Robbing stores have become a mute option due to this fact as well, and as an entirety, we're really struggling to stay on top of content. We have to use our imagination to provide more criminalRP and that's perfectly fine, but to say that there's "so much crims can do" is not exactly valid. I can never understand why people think that Zetas are allied with every gang in the city, it's actually amazing that people think that. Our only ally are Triads and I apologize that you missed out on a ton of huge wars we've fought, but that isn't exactly our problem, is it? To actually sit there and claim that we're trying to fuck over Civs is beyond me. I ask everyone in this community openly stop acting like your shit doesn't stink No one is perfect and just because an RP scenario doesn't go completely as planned, just means a possible wrench was thrown in and disrupted the process, that is also RP. Do you understand how bad official gangs want to be more passive in our approach? We really want to, but we need other shit to do, otherwise we're forced to create scenarios that provide criminals with more content that isn't script related, do you guys really not understand this? Instead of extorting you, we could sell drugs at your club, but that's near impossible because not everyone carries pocket money and the drugs can be made by anyone, and do little to nothing. Back in the day, warehouses imported drugs, so they were a lot more rare and used in RP scenarios. Now, everyone can cook, including legal workers. Instead of trying to blame CrimRP for things that occur, try to see it from our pov and offer a solution to the problem. Last night, 3 drug labs were down; that should tell you something. I would also appreciate it if civs stopped acting as if Zetas/Triads are badits only looking for loot. If we didn't always try to improve and didn't give a shit about RP, we'd go around robbing pauls/osva farm. We could hit LSC and Bayview every single day and we would walk into mines/butchers and storm the place multiple times a day. Appreciate the fact that we stay out of your kitchen for the absolute most part. When DCC was being extorted by the irish, we stepped in and stopped that in it's tracks. When bayview needs help, we come with heaps of back up to help them out and if we see pauls farm being robbed, we step in to stop it from happening. This is a fact. As an official faction, just like the government ones, we are tasked with housing players on ECRP and giving them an awesome experienced, we do not differ from anyone else in that aspect. These are not friends that were recruited through OOC purposes. These are people that are probably your friends, that used to work for PD, MD, etc. That being said, RP standard on ECRP is a global thing, we're all responsible for each other. If someone leaves PD and joins crim, that means both factions were perfectly fine with the standard of RP that person showcased and to act like he's now all of a sudden different now that he's no longer PD or a civ is simply hypocritical. Things need to change to some degrees, but we also need to be honest with ourselves here. Edited January 18, 2020 by MrUntouchable215 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machete Posted January 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 @Xoza Yes I'd like to keep the suggestion open as most of the -1's are from people who've never tried to open a nightclub as a civilian. The casino is an NCZ and I think its unfair to allow them to have an NCZ while every other Business properties constantly need to watch over their shoulders to not get raided. Not having an NCZ is basically going to force me having to build an unrealistic and complex door entry system and this just reminds me of the GMOD darkRP days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denza Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 maybe an IC regulation to allow heavier weapons for security detail that are obtained through heavy regulation and ways? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrUntouchable215 Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Denza said: maybe an IC regulation to allow heavier weapons for security detail that are obtained through heavy regulation and ways? Merry weather security faction. Grind your ass off and become official. Not every official faction has to be a gang I assume. There are other illegal means. Militias, etc. Edited January 18, 2020 by MrUntouchable215 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Einhart Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) I think the complaint here is that it's impossible to create your own civilian RP scenarios without people trying to butt in, scam, rob, or extort you. What solution is there? As soon as you announce something every criminal on the server descends upon you. Edited January 18, 2020 by Victor Einhart 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreMetal Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Victor Einhart said: I think the complaint here is that it's impossible to create your own civilian RP scenarios without people trying to butt in, scam, rob, or extort you. What solution is there? It's all good just build a completely unrealistic airlock at the front of your business. Then when crims cry they cannot penetrate your unrealistic airlock you say "IC problem bro". Here is a starting point: Note: I am saying it is unrealistic because there is no reason a nightclub would have this IRL, not because anything it does it unrealistic. Edited January 18, 2020 by TreMetal added note 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayGamble Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Victor Einhart said: I think the complaint here is that it's impossible to create your own civilian RP scenarios without people trying to butt in, scam, rob, or extort you. What solution is there? As soon as you announce something every criminal on the server descends upon you. This is so far from the truth, there are so many events ran without any incident at all. There have been maybe.. 3-4 club raids in total? If that.. I'm so confused at all these incidents people keep mentioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Einhart Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, JayGamble said: This is so far from the truth, there are so many events ran without any incident at all. There have been maybe.. 3-4 club raids in total? If that.. I'm so confused at all these incidents people keep mentioning. Are you honestly saying someone that isn't part of a large and influential organization can have a gathering in public and they stand a good chance of not being robbed or fucked with? You and I both know that's not true. Edited January 18, 2020 by Victor Einhart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayGamble Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Victor Einhart said: Are you honestly saying someone that isn't part of a large and influential organization can have a gathering in public and they stand a good chance of not being robbed or fucked with? You and I both know that's not true. It happens on a regular basis.. actions, not words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bala Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 In terms of the suggestion, I don't mind temporary no-crime zones around big server events because often it's just about bringing people in the community together to have a good time. I ran one for Emergency Services back in December with a temporary NCZ and it went great. Now in terms of night clubs being a no-crime zone, I can't support it because it's a personal problem. That night-club is a profit venture for you. Part of the responsibility of running that night club is organising security for those visiting your venue. Having the server do that for you, makes it easier for you but also, it actually limits what people can do at the night-clubs. The Tavern was probably the most happening spot in the city on a Saturday Night for a good few weeks. Partly because it had all the big players in the criminal world there, but also because it was well ran and organised. They had the DJ, the security staff, the bar staff etc.. If there was trouble, it was dealt with quietly but because it was Zetas, people wouldn't touch the party. That being said, every time there was a call about trouble, PD went over there. I went over there a couple times to get people to move their vehicles or dealt with petty violence complaints. First of all, there are too many fucking night clubs in the server. You only really need one or two, because there is quite a bit of work that goes into it. Now people WRONGLY assume that just because they have a property, that they have a business. When trouble comes, they then want a force field around their business, where they will quite happily let the money come in, but don't want the risk that comes with it. If I owned a night club in this server, the first port of call for me would be Jay. Why? Because he's the leader of the biggest gang on the server and his faction runs the biggest night spot on the server. If I can work out an accommodation with him, then likely the Triads will be fine with it. If they Triads are fine with it, WCA are fine with it and so on and so on. The less big groups that would want to fuck me over, the better. The simple truth is that, in a lot of suggestions like this, you expect the server to adapt to you, not the other way around. I'm a Sergeant in the PD, I'd say I was pretty well known around the server but there are things eveb I won't do. I don't park outside clothing stores, I don't carry with me an excessive amount of personal items etc.. I watch myself every time I'm not in my police vehicle. You know why? Because i've adapted to the server. If you want to run a business or have a house or do a job or drive a nice car or whatever, you have to be prepared for the possibility that unless you are a big fish and you're capable of defending yourself that anyone from a zeta/triad gang member to a brand new to the server low-life is going to try and test you. If you using No Crime Zones to shelter you from the world, you ain't roleplaying in it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machete Posted January 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 2 hours ago, GOAT said: The simple truth is that, in a lot of suggestions like this, you expect the server to adapt to you, not the other way around. I'm a Sergeant in the PD, I'd say I was pretty well known around the server but there are things eveb I won't do. I don't park outside clothing stores, I don't carry with me an excessive amount of personal items etc.. I watch myself every time I'm not in my police vehicle. You know why? Because i've adapted to the server. This suggestion is made to make the roleplay more realistic. Barely ever hear anything about a club getting shot up IRL. There is an excessive amount of Criminals compared to civilians. You're not the only one who has adapted to the server but that doesn't mean that we can't try to make it more realistic. 3 hours ago, GOAT said: If you using No Crime Zones to shelter you from the world, you ain't roleplaying in it. Please keep your criticism constructive , no need for the offensive comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bala Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, NM369 said: This suggestion is made to make the roleplay more realistic. Barely ever hear anything about a club getting shot up IRL. There is an excessive amount of Criminals compared to civilians. You're not the only one who has adapted to the server but that doesn't mean that we can't try to make it more realistic. You can rob a bank in real life. You can shoot someone in a hospital in real life. Yes there is an excessive amount of criminals and doesn't that tell you that it's probably better to not restrict the majority for the minority? 2 minutes ago, NM369 said: Please keep your criticism constructive , no need for the offensive comment It's offensive if you choose to see it that way, no crime zones are only to be used when criminal acts would be unrealistic. The level of scrunity at a bank, the amount of cameras and police at a hospital, the security of an impound or the amount of cops inside a police station. It doesn't apply for personal businesses and should not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machete Posted January 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 6 hours ago, TreMetal said: It's all good just build a completely unrealistic airlock at the front of your business. Then when crims cry they cannot penetrate your unrealistic airlock you say "IC problem bro". Here is a starting point: Note: I am saying it is unrealistic because there is no reason a nightclub would have this IRL, not because anything it does it unrealistic. Thank you for the lovely comment, your paint skills are a little disturbing but thank you for the suggestion. Guess I'm furnishing a fort now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubsmeister Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) Again, this whole conversation could have been avoided if the owner of this nightclub didn't decide to be a lone crime fighting hero and just paid the money we asked from him. I don't want to RP some crimefree utopia, because that would be super boring. Crime is real and it happens, dont pretend that any action that involves crime is somehow NonRP. As Dezzy correctly mentioned, we are a crime syndicate but we are open for negotaiting because more than anything, we are a business. If you agree to our terms you can run a night club without any form of trouble. TL;DR stop complaing git gud Edited January 19, 2020 by Rubsmeister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machete Posted January 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Rubsmeister said: Again, this whole conversation could have been avoided if the owner of this nightclub didn't decide to be a lone crime fighting hero and just paid the money we asked from him. I don't want to RP some crimefree utopia, because that would be super boring. Crime is real and it happens, dont pretend that any action that involves crime is somehow NonRP. As Dezzy correctly mentioned, we are a crime syndicate but we are open for negotaiting because more than anything, we are a business. If you agree to our terms you can run a night club without any form of trouble. This post wasn't created for the last Raid, just the last straw for me trying to do something about it. I didn't even know about the IC extortion/ crime fighting hero thing. got my club raided once, first night , Nobody even reached out or anything. The same thing happened to Foxxies and chanty lynn's bar. Maybe they have changed their approach but as the previously mentioned raids this was not the case. That's why I refuse to believe the extortion story. It becomes nonRP when its done too much. Same happened with wearing masks in public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaesarSeizure Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 I think something that people could consider is going to PD for assistance. The bayview event had PD on scene to assist with any trouble makers. This way you could have a legal protection to help out if you do not want to pay for criminal organizations to protect you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreMetal Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 30 minutes ago, NM369 said: Thank you for the lovely comment, your paint skills are a little disturbing but thank you for the suggestion. Guess I'm furnishing a fort now No problem. Make sure you have a kill switch to lock all doors in place and a security guy ready to do a lot of mes and dos including buzzing of doors etc. Maybe consider having one of these one-way doors as the exit door and moving it to the front cell insted of the airlock: Also, consider making the entrance door lockable from the security room so people cannot escape from the first chamber if you choose not to let them. (/me presses entrance door lock /do the entrance door behind is locked etc.) Then you get to watch them power game themselves out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
