Machete Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 You basically can't open a nightclub without it getting raided or shot up, very poor RP in my opinion as it just keeps happening. It ruins the fun for the people who are there to have a social night. As a legal character you're powerless because criminals can just use shotguns and other heavy weaponry and you're there with a shitty pistol. Wouldn't mind this happening once in a while but it keeps happening all the time. I'd love to see an NCZ option for clubs so that legal characters can actually RP instead of having your club nonRP raided just so they can play CS:GO. The amount of club raids is just unrealistically high at this point. The casino is an NCZ so why wouldn't other businesses be allowed to have one? I'd also like to suggest to put in NCZ requests trough the City hall website. so you'd need to install CCTV cameras, allowing city hall to inspect the cameras in your business property. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recy6 Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 Fun for the ones doing the shooting. I agree it a problem but at the same time it being a NCZ is too much. I recommend needing admin permission to have any type of altercation inside/around the area. That way it stay realistic for example there are a lot of people that use clubs to sell drugs, they won't be restricted by the NCZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Msato Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) Imma hit this with a -1 We need less scripted methods of managing and limiting crim levels in the city, perhaps utilise the 150~ law enforcement members to man these clubs at peak and opening times? Just to add to the record I can't remember any time where The Tavern was properly raider, shot up etc, as of which operated successfully for months with criminals, civs and Leo's attending the event. This is due to successful management and not something a script should be utilised as life support for poor management and insufficient planning. A casino is far from a different standard to a nightclub. Irl nightclubs etc are far from the state that a NCZ operates at, you consistently have illegal drugs, weapons and other business going on in them. This seems like a post which is unfortunately fueled as OOC retaliation to recent IC events. Edited January 17, 2020 by CallumMontie 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mopop Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 I agree, it kind of kills the motivation for players to run a business thus killing off any potential civ RP. If people could learn to play nice it wouldn't be such a big deal, but so far I've been to 3 night club shootings and there was absolutely 0 RP purpose behind it. We need more player ran businesses not less. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayGamble Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mopop said: I agree, it kind of kills the motivation for players to run a business thus killing off any potential civ RP. If people could learn to play nice it wouldn't be such a big deal, but so far I've been to 3 night club shootings and there was absolutely 0 RP purpose behind it. We need more player ran businesses not less. To believe there is 0 RP purpose behind it just shows clear ignorance. I say that with all due respect, but there is most definitely reason, and prior role play to facilitate that. I think NCZ's in general hurt RP, and to simply add blanket methods to remove RP entirely is just confusing. 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reeceobz Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) -1 wont be able to sell kenny Edited January 18, 2020 by reeceobz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisy Posted January 17, 2020 Report Share Posted January 17, 2020 I feel this is unnecessary, there isn't something that happens very often. You state its happening all the time but personally I haven't seen it and the event itself was very small. We already have very little to do as criminals and adding this removes a lot of roleplay opportunities between all sides of the server. I understand you may have planned an event for tonight and such but we have also went to the stages of planning out hitting the club, knowing the insides, who's taking the money etc. I was inside informing them of where everyone was set up and we worked from there once we seen a good opportunity. So it wasn't just "oh this clubs on lets go raid" we had set this up multiple weeks ago. NCZ's hurt RP as Jay has said, we already have enough bank roleplay as it is and it really is not what the server needs. -1 Overall. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machete Posted January 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, CallumMontie said: Imma hit this with a -1 We need less scripted methods of managing and limiting crim levels in the city, perhaps utilise the 150~ law enforcement members to man these clubs at peak and opening times? Just to add to the record I can't remember any time where The Tavern was properly raider, shot up etc, as of which operated successfully for months with criminals, civs and Leo's attending the event. This is due to successful management and not something a script should be utilised as life support for poor management and insufficient planning. A casino is far from a different standard to a nightclub. Irl nightclubs etc are far from the state that a NCZ operates at, you consistently have illegal drugs, weapons and other business going on in them. This seems like a post which is unfortunately fueled as OOC retaliation to recent IC events. This is not OOC retaliation, this is me trying to fix the unrealistic amounts of clubs that get hit for the sole purpose of "loot". Bringing up the tavern, Seriously? I'm talking about civilian owned clubs ofcourse no one is going to raid it as they all have access to heavies. PD or SD wouldn't camp outside of your club. so yeah its fun facing shotguns with pistols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swattpup1989 Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) +1 Civilians in this server can literally do nothing without criminals HAVING to take a piece of it. Regardless of what anyone says regarding it. Its the truth. All this criminals do is lie and take everything from anyone except their "allies". By saying criminals have no legit RP is basically saying your the worst criminal in the world. Lets put it into perspective, shall we. Criminals Get- Illegal weapon smuggling Drug Labs Robbing People Chopping Cars WARS Taxing other gangs Civilians Get- Working a job TRYING to run a business Build up personal collections of vehicles Hmmmm who is getting shafted in this picture? This server is literally ran by criminals due to the fact, if you aren't a criminal or paying criminals, you literally get a gun shoved in your face 24/7. Not to mention the fact, Official Gangs like Zetas, Triads, Wanted, and Rooks have access to extra scripts like doors that require payments to be opened. Extra scripts to order illegal weapons and weapon attachments. Civilians get paid literal garbage at scripted jobs like money transport, trucker, etc. Any other line of work we do, we basically get robbed of everything including our property. We have to work our asses off to replace that stuff. Criminals just go find the nearest person, point a gun in their face, and bam they have more stuff. I also find it funny that 90% of the things that are geared towards CIVILIANS instantly get down voted by criminal players because it will restrict them to ACTUALLY having to roleplay. On the note of the casino, kind of messed up a Casino gets NCZ protection and is ran by a civilian group but nightclubs don't get that treatment, at all. We have to literally outsource PD to come help us and then it makes things 100x worse. EDIT - Also I find it hilarious that whenever anything threatens criminals from playing Team Deathmatch in COD on the server. Its instantly "poor crim poor crim, we have nothing to do and no rp" Edited January 18, 2020 by Swattpup1989 Adding another point 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Pegorino Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Swattpup1989 said: +1 Civilians in this server can literally do nothing without criminals HAVING to take a piece of it. Regardless of what anyone says regarding it. Its the truth. All this criminals do is lie and take everything from anyone except their "allies". By saying criminals have no legit RP is basically saying your the worst criminal in the world. Lets put it into perspective, shall we. Criminals Get- Illegal weapon smuggling Drug Labs Robbing People Chopping Cars WARS Taxing other gangs Civilians Get- Working a job TRYING to run a business Build up personal collections of vehicles Hmmmm who is getting shafted in this picture? This server is literally ran by criminals due to the fact, if you aren't a criminal or paying criminals, you literally get a gun shoved in your face 24/7. Not to mention the fact, Official Gangs like Zetas, Triads, Wanted, and Rooks have access to extra scripts like doors that require payments to be opened. Extra scripts to order illegal weapons and weapon attachments. Civilians get paid literal garbage at scripted jobs like money transport, trucker, etc. Any other line of work we do, we basically get robbed of everything including our property. We have to work our asses off to replace that stuff. Criminals just go find the nearest person, point a gun in their face, and bam they have more stuff. I also find it funny that 90% of the things that are geared towards CIVILIANS instantly get down voted by criminal players because it will restrict them to ACTUALLY having to roleplay. On the note of the casino, kind of messed up a Casino gets NCZ protection and is ran by a civilian group but nightclubs don't get that treatment, at all. We have to literally outsource PD to come help us and then it makes things 100x worse. I think this is true and i do believe that gangs shouldn't interfere where they arent needed, Why don't they not go to the events and have fun instead of ruining the rp for every one else and robbing them for their weapons, Money. Not just that we would see more if all the big gangs weren't allianced with each other, Only war i seen is the russians and they still had a decent fight, Do some thing about it guys, Instead of having this big council and alliances with each other make a war between yourselves instead of hiding behind each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swattpup1989 Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Jimmy Pegorino said: I think this is true and i do believe that gangs shouldn't interfere where they arent needed, Why don't they not go to the events and have fun instead of ruining the rp for every one else and robbing them for their weapons, Money. Not just that we would see more if all the big gangs weren't allianced with each other, Only war i seen is the russians and they still had a decent fight, Do some thing about it guys, Instead of having this big council and alliances with each other make a war between yourselves instead of hiding behind each other. In my short amount of time on this server, I have seen my fair share of battles. Zetas, Triads, and Rooks +others VS Russians Zetas & Triads +others VS Wanted Maybe you guys should just all fight eachother since your so bored and have "nothing" to do 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayGamble Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, NM369 said: This is not OOC retaliation, this is me trying to fix the unrealistic amounts of clubs that get hit for the sole purpose of "loot". Bringing up the tavern, Seriously? I'm talking about civilian owned clubs ofcourse no one is going to raid it as they all have access to heavies. PD or SD wouldn't camp outside of your club. so yeah its fun facing shotguns with pistols. If Tavern would have ever been defended by heavy weapons, etc; I would have had the club taken from me. This is just more ignorance, upon ignorance and the two major proprietors of this thread are people who have tried, and failed to succeed at doing what we have done. 3 minutes ago, Swattpup1989 said: +1 Civilians in this server can literally do nothing without criminals HAVING to take a piece of it. Regardless of what anyone says regarding it. Its the truth. All this criminals do is lie and take everything from anyone except their "allies". By saying criminals have no legit RP is basically saying your the worst criminal in the world. Lets put it into perspective, shall we. Criminals Get- Illegal weapon smuggling Drug Labs Robbing People Chopping Cars WARS Taxing other gangs Civilians Get- Working a job TRYING to run a business Build up personal collections of vehicles Hmmmm who is getting shafted in this picture? This server is literally ran by criminals due to the fact, if you aren't a criminal or paying criminals, you literally get a gun shoved in your face 24/7. Not to mention the fact, Official Gangs like Zetas, Triads, Wanted, and Rooks have access to extra scripts like doors that require payments to be opened. Extra scripts to order illegal weapons and weapon attachments. Civilians get paid literal garbage at scripted jobs like money transport, trucker, etc. Any other line of work we do, we basically get robbed of everything including our property. We have to work our asses off to replace that stuff. Criminals just go find the nearest person, point a gun in their face, and bam they have more stuff. I also find it funny that 90% of the things that are geared towards CIVILIANS instantly get down voted by criminal players because it will restrict them to ACTUALLY having to roleplay. On the note of the casino, kind of messed up a Casino gets NCZ protection and is ran by a civilian group but nightclubs don't get that treatment, at all. We have to literally outsource PD to come help us and then it makes things 100x worse. This is just silly, gonna keep it 100. Tavern never touched "door fees", it was all done by hand with a proper security team. We also must be the worst criminals in the world in Zetas, because not only do we hope for a criminal update, but PD have themselves said that we could use one, further arguing our point behind the idea that criminals could use some more content to occupy themselves. End of the day, you were given an IC ultimatum and you felt because your partner was apart of PD, that you would be okay. Guess you were wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayGamble Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 Just now, Hoxton_Curry said: What loot? You think we had 8 people heavily armed, half of us even had 2 heavies or semi rare guns and you think we came there for 5 pistols and bottles of vodka? yeah, the guys who think we lost hundreds of thousands in heavies think we did it for the 5 pistols, and 3 drinks that probably didn't even get removed from the scene. it's crims who are constantly badgered about their RP standards, when we're actually trying to create "deep" rp without incident, but people tend to see right past that as long as it serves them properly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swattpup1989 Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, JayGamble said: If Tavern would have ever been defended by heavy weapons, etc; I would have had the club taken from me. This is just more ignorance, upon ignorance and the two major proprietors of this thread are people who have tried, and failed to succeed at doing what we have done. This is just silly, gonna keep it 100. Tavern never touched "door fees", it was all done by hand with a proper security team. We also must be the worst criminals in the world in Zetas, because not only do we hope for a criminal update, but PD have themselves said that we could use one, further arguing our point behind the idea that criminals could use some more content to occupy themselves. End of the day, you were given an IC ultimatum and you felt because your partner was apart of PD, that you would be okay. Guess you were wrong! IC Ultimatum? The hell are you on about? When did I specifically target you or your merry band of blue men? Seems like you have a guilty conscious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Pegorino Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 minute ago, JayGamble said: If Tavern would have ever been defended by heavy weapons, etc; I would have had the club taken from me. This is just more ignorance, upon ignorance and the two major proprietors of this thread are people who have tried, and failed to succeed at doing what we have done. This is just silly, gonna keep it 100. Tavern never touched "door fees", it was all done by hand with a proper security team. We also must be the worst criminals in the world in Zetas, because not only do we hope for a criminal update, but PD have themselves said that we could use one, further arguing our point behind the idea that criminals could use some more content to occupy themselves. End of the day, you were given an IC ultimatum and you felt because your partner was apart of PD, that you would be okay. Guess you were wrong! How can any one attack the tavern when zetas has all the biggest gangs allianced with them and if they need it they call back up, I just think that if its civilians that are doing stuff that the zetas doesn't like doesn't matter who it is they are gonna get the club shot up and robbed. Its silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayGamble Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Swattpup1989 said: IC Ultimatum? The hell are you on about? When did I specifically target you or your merry band of blue men? Seems like you have a guilty conscious. This is you being unable to see RP for what it is, but you were visited by a man in black some time ago. Perhaps you won't ignore it next time. This is me trying to help you understand the logic behind it, as this is all OOC. 2 minutes ago, Jimmy Pegorino said: How can any one attack the tavern when zetas has all the biggest gangs allianced with them and if they need it they call back up, I just think that if its civilians that are doing stuff that the zetas doesn't like doesn't matter who it is they are gonna get the club shot up and robbed. Its silly If we defend Tavern with our heavies, then the government comes and shuts us down. I'm not sure what you're on about, bud. Edited January 18, 2020 by JayGamble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swattpup1989 Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 minute ago, JayGamble said: This is you being unable to see RP for what it is, but you were visited by a man in black some time ago. Perhaps you won't ignore it next time. If we defend Tavern with our heavies, then the government comes and shuts us down. I'm not sure what you're on about, bud. Meta? This is OOC, why are you bringing IC info into the forums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Pegorino Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 minute ago, JayGamble said: This is you being unable to see RP for what it is, but you were visited by a man in black some time ago. Perhaps you won't ignore it next time. If we defend Tavern with our heavies, then the government comes and shuts us down. I'm not sure what you're on about, bud. The government won't be shutting it down just yet as its not in effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayGamble Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 Just now, Swattpup1989 said: Meta? This is OOC, why are you bringing IC info into the forums? My man are you okay? This happened over a month ago and doesn't affect RP whatsoever in this case . I won't bother replying to you anymore, as you clearly seem to have some trouble distinguishing what's going on. This thread was made, and is being pushed by people whom this scenario has actually affected and it seems extremely bias that they are sitting asking for "NCZ's" to be put up around their club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swattpup1989 Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, JayGamble said: My man are you okay? This happened over a month ago and doesn't affect RP whatsoever in this case . I won't bother replying to you anymore, as you clearly seem to have some trouble distinguishing what's going on. This thread was made, and is being pushed by people whom this scenario has actually affected and it seems extremely bias that they are sitting asking for "NCZ's" to be put up around their club. This isn't the first time nor the last this thread will appear. Considering the casino is a NCZ. Edit- nice job throwing in that edit. Proves my point more. You legit just said up above there was an IC Ultimatum. Then you posted exactly what the ultimatum was. Edited January 18, 2020 by Swattpup1989 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reeceobz Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 Just now, Jimmy Pegorino said: The government won't be shutting it down just yet as its not in effect It will still get raided by swat and get most of us sent to jail... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Msato Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, Swattpup1989 said: In my short amount of time on this server, I have seen my fair share of battles. Zetas, Triads, and Rooks +others VS Russians Zetas & Triads +others VS Wanted Maybe you guys should just all fight eachother since your so bored and have "nothing" to do Yeah let's just fuck up a year of back story and progress that lead to us working together. As a reminder to all Triads & Zetas we're at war to start, moved to neutrality and then alliance after months of relationship building. Stop crying about stupid shit and taking it out on scapegoats, it's pathetic and passively tarnishes factions who have earned their name, let alone overall criminal rp or at least what's left of it. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayGamble Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 Just now, Swattpup1989 said: This isn't the first time nor the last this thread will appear. Considering the casino is a NCZ. Have you ever been to a casino? They literally have their OWN armed security. It's very EVIDENT why that is an NCZ, and I'm confused at why you cannot understand that. Are you really gonna compare Commerce Casino to Playhouse Hollywood? No, because they are not the same things. Please be logical about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Pegorino Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, reeceobz said: It will still get raided by swat and get most of us sent to jail... Isn't that what gangs like doing tho if you don't mind me say Isnt that not what criminal life is like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reeceobz Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, Jimmy Pegorino said: Isn't that what gangs like doing tho if you don't mind me say Isnt that not what criminal life is like Have you ever tried being a criminal on this server? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
