Thebearski Posted September 18, 2019 Report Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) Dear Los Santos Citizens, Since Mick Reefer became Chief of Police a little over four months ago, there has been an apparent lack in the LSPD’s ability to protect and serve its citizens. As a manager of Los Santos Customs, I have felt that since Mike Reefer took over, I have no trust in our city’s police force to protect me or my place of work. The Los Zetas gang specifically has increased their activity in the city and specifically at Los Santos Customs. They rob, loot and kill with no fear of LSPD being able to do anything to stop them. More than once a week the Los Zetas gang waltzes into Los Santos Customs and clears out the customers and employees of their vehicles and of their possessions. This issue is not just one of Los Santos Customs but throughout the city. Us citizens pay more than enough taxes to fund a police force to be able to contain the Los Zetas and other gangs in the city. The time has come for someone to take over for Mick Reefer that can handle the criminal activity in the city. We need someone that will dedicate the time and resources to staff a police force that will be able to protect us citizens. Join me in signing this petition to remove Mick Reefer as Chief of Police. Edited September 18, 2019 by Thebearski 1 1
Yputi Posted September 18, 2019 Report Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) I think Mick is fine though Edited September 18, 2019 by Yputi Typo oof!
Vyse Legend Posted September 19, 2019 Report Posted September 19, 2019 Dear Citizen, I don't believe this to be true at all. Chief Reefer has done a great job so far. It is simply impossible to curve all of the issues and crime in the city, especially this city since it's what I would call, 'special'. Solely placing the blame on the Chief just isn't realistic either. There are lots of factors that go into this being a problem. I know this may seem a bit odd, but have you ever talked to any of those "zeta" members and asked them why they keep coming around? Have you ever tried talking to the higher-ups in LSC to reach out to a high rank within the department to increase patrols around the area? I know the owner and 2 higher ups in LSC have ties to the police, so why haven't they reached out to the Chief or someone else regarding this issue? I am in no way shape or form dismissing what's happening at LSC, and I have noticed some of the issues tied to it as well, and it is very unfortunate. I will attempt to reach out myself to my higher-ups and see if we can definitely increase patrols around the area and possibly stop the violence happening. Violence at a garage should not be happening, but I am also a firm believer of trying to talk things out before they escalate even further. I will do the best I can to attempt to help, but please look at all perspectives before blaming this on the Chief, this is not his fault. Sincerely, Officer Vyse Legend. 2
MrUntouchable215 Posted September 19, 2019 Report Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) I want to start off by saying, I don't really think the chief of police has anything to do with how things are going. Just set up a meet and see how it goes. No one else has this issue besides LSC. Although banning wasn't really wrong, it wasn't right either. Try to fix it by setting up meetings and figuring things out and see how it goes. Banning from the beginning isn't really worth it, it causes more issues. Edited September 19, 2019 by MrUntouchable215 Didn't see this was roleplay sub
Thebearski Posted September 19, 2019 Author Report Posted September 19, 2019 Dear Office Vyse, I am one of the high command at LSC and we have reached out to Jay Gamble on multiple occasions to see what the reason was and why they continue. They do not have a reason and continue to attack LSC's employees and customers. There is no stopping the prejudicial targeting of LSC. We have also had more patrols recently but when we make calls for the issues there is rarely enough police that respond to counter the number of Zetas at Los Santos Customs. Low employment or low funding? Either way it needs to be addressed. And as to why I am calling out the chief. I do not know him personally but, the time of their robberies and his start date have a direct correlation. Where there is smoke there is usually fire. Sometimes it takes a loud noise to draw attention and make change. Consider this the start of my loud noise. I am interested to see what you and your co-workers come up with in regards to the need at LSC but until there is change, my position stands. Billy Gorganzola
Thebearski Posted September 19, 2019 Author Report Posted September 19, 2019 (( @MrUntouchable215 this section of the forums is IC)) 1
Phantas Posted September 19, 2019 Report Posted September 19, 2019 Bring back Osborn, only man that provides service in a timely manner in exchange for donuts. 2
Psychoneurotic Posted September 19, 2019 Report Posted September 19, 2019 Good evening, if I may add, as a previous employee of Los Santos Customs, your method of approach is rather baffling. Quite a while ago, when I still worked with LSC, there was still a fair bit of tension with gangs in the city, Los Zetas being one of the biggest ones. Despite that, the tensions were mostly addressed and resolved quite quickly. Your unapproachable staff and lack of communication with the Police Department is the problem. Although some lower ranks and recruits in Los Zetas seem a bit "special", the higher ups have always stayed the same. I understand that LSC is a private property and you have the right to ban anyone that you want, but you mess with the bull and you'll get the horns. If you cannot reach a diplomatic solution with Jay Gamble, I suggestion you have a meeting with Chief of Police and come up with solutions. Have you thought about adding security personnel to LSC, who's job is to protect the place? How about live security cameras where someone is operating them 24/7 and notifies the Police Department as soon as there's an issue? Or asking for more frequent patrol units in the area? Or even assigning multiple beat cops that pretty much always hang around LSC. All of those solutions are easily doable, but personally, I would try to reason with Jay Gamble, remove the ban that's been placed on the entire gang and start banning individuals instead. This way your profit will go up, and tax payers' money as well as the police resources will not go to waste. Apollo 1
JayGamble Posted September 19, 2019 Report Posted September 19, 2019 43 minutes ago, Thebearski said: I am one of the high command at LSC and we have reached out to Jay Gamble on multiple occasions to see what the reason was and why they continue. They do not have a reason and continue to attack LSC's employees and customers. There is no stopping the prejudicial targeting of LSC. Hello those involved, This is just not true, you came once and spoke in a completely uncivil manner, in which I had zero tolerance for and ceased the conversation with you. LSC has arguably has some of the worst communication I've seen from a business standpoint, I'm not sure if that's due to pride, or lack of experience.. but you guys don't have anyone really capable of speaking on your behalf, and if you're meant to bridge that gap.. I can see why it's failed. We were banned from a business because someone in a blue colored outfit stole some cars from your establishment, and you believed the best solution was to blanket ban over 50+ people due to ones, or a few peoples mistakes. I mean look at what you did here, you attacked someone who has very little to do with this situation, and likely hasn't ever been approached by any of LSC's HC, but you think the best solution here is to take his job? Unreasonable as it gets. We were there just the other day, speaking to a few mechanics, in a completely friendly manner and had multiple officers called in, drawing weapons.. for what; us speaking to someone we're cool with? You could have simply asked us to leave, but made zero attempt to speak with us directly. The problem is you guys, and the way you operate.. and until that changes, I don't think many can take pity. There is a reason why we have such few issues with other major businesses in this city, but hey.. 5 1
FleecyJake Posted September 19, 2019 Report Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, JayGamble said: Hello those involved, This is just not true, you came once and spoke in a completely uncivil manner, in which I had zero tolerance for and ceased the conversation with you. LSC has arguably has some of the worst communication I've seen from a business standpoint, I'm not sure if that's due to pride, or lack of experience.. but you guys don't have anyone really capable of speaking on your behalf, and if you're meant to bridge that gap.. I can see why it's failed. We were banned from a business because someone in a blue colored outfit stole some cars from your establishment, and you believed the best solution was to blanket ban over 50+ people due to ones, or a few peoples mistakes. I mean look at what you did here, you attacked someone who has very little to do with this situation, and likely hasn't ever been approached by any of LSC's HC, but you think the best solution here is to take his job? Unreasonable as it gets. We were there just the other day, speaking to a few mechanics, in a completely friendly manner and had multiple officers called in, drawing weapons.. for what; us speaking to someone we're cool with? You could have simply asked us to leave, but made zero attempt to speak with us directly. The problem is you guys, and the way you operate.. and until that changes, I don't think many can take pity. There is a reason why we have such few issues with other major businesses in this city, but hey.. Hello Mr Gamble, I Myself have tried to make contact with people in Zetas to try clear things up, I spoke to a Liam Gunarr since I was renting his vehicle out at the time it happened, Soon as I realized what was going on, I messaged him telling him I think It would be best to return the vehicle, when I met him face to face I believe I spoke to him with the utmost respect and asked if we could get this sorted, He then asked me to give him a moment to speak to someone and that they would get back to myself or someone else to sort it out but never heard back from him. We also find it very hard to ban specific individuals when they are all masked up and sometimes up to 10 people there, We was robbed 3 times by guys in blue clothing and vehicles, This is when we attempted to make contact BEFORE we implemented the ban. Edited September 19, 2019 by FleecyJake
JayGamble Posted September 19, 2019 Report Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) Hello Poster, I was not spoke to a single time before the ban, and it's incredibly easy to find me. I can also tell you the number was 2-3 people, as was mentioned by the initial poster to me when we spoke.. it was not "10 masked individuals in blue". I think the direct quote at the time when a collective hit was made, it was made very clear by those involved that you now had a "reason to ban all of us" and this was at least 1-2 days post ban. I think my reputation with other business relations, and business owners speaks for itself at the end of the day. Edited September 19, 2019 by JayGamble 1
Thebearski Posted September 19, 2019 Author Report Posted September 19, 2019 Jay Gamble, The day before the permanent ban you were on LSC property and I asked you about 2 robberies that happened on LSC property. You said there was a new crew in town wearing blue as well and it was mostly likely them because you didn't hear anything from your boys about them robbing LSC. So we lifted the ban for the time being at this point. We were reasonable. I looked over our CCTV footage of the two events to see what vehicles were used in the robberies. I was skeptical of this because your crew is notorious for not allowing anyone to wear any shade of blue or have their vehicles any shade of blue. After watching the footage and looking at the vehicles your boys were driving it was apparent that it was indeed Los Zetas as a part of the first two robberies. So i came to the general store you were standing outside of and had the discussion with you that you referenced where I asked you to "cut the crap" and explain why you were targeting LSC. You refused to have a discussion and I left. I understand that, i was upset and not speaking level headed with you. At this point the Los Zetas were not permanently banned as of yet. High command at LSC was still having discussions with each other one what we should do based on your story of their being another gang in blue. It was the next day when a robbery happened again that we laid out the permanent ban on the Los Zetas. Yes we call in patrol units when people in blue enter the property and hang around. Yes we call when people in blue cars enter our property, its for our safety and our customers safety. 4 months of this behavior by the Los Zetas has caused this. Blue means one thing in this town....Los Zetas. There is only two reasons y'all come to LSC now, to strike terror and/or steal. Billy Gorganzola
OBESE Posted September 19, 2019 Report Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) Greeting everyone! I read what was stated in the original request and what has been said in the discussion and I would like to add my point of view and personal experience to all the story. Let me first start of with the original request to remove the current Chief of Police. I do not agree with this request because I do not believe that removing him will change anything that could not be changed with him in the position. As probably one of the biggest business tax payers of this city LSC could be able to request a formal meeting with LSPD's leadership and discuss the issue and see what could be the solution to either stop it occurring or to lower the occurrences of such events to a minimum. Now to the second point that I would like to touch upon is the Los Zetas. Before I became a government official I had a simple job as a mechanic at the same place we are talking about now - Los Santos Customs. At that time I just started my job and was still a trainee. New to the town I did not know much about it and while just being a nice person and having a simple conversation with some people who ended up being part of Los Zetas, I gain my first and only experience I needed from this organisation. After the incident with the Los Zetas members I was not fine with it and I made my decision to refuse service at LSC to any Los Zetas member. I did not care if my colleagues do it, but I was not about to service them. You could feel the influence of this criminal organisation as the management of LSC approached me to speak about the fact that I've been refusing service and I did explain them why. Although it was well known fact that LSC does not support crime in the city in no way, they still did not feel like fixing vehicles that will be used in criminal activities, counted as supporting crime. So before they could fire me I left. This leads me to what Mr Gamble has said here about his character and reputation with other businesses. I must say that also the way your organisation presents yourself in eyes of the public brings you reputation as well and it has been a long and well known fact that friendly is not in Los Zetas vocabulary if there is no benefit. And it is true in this situation as well as we can see the issue is the fact that this organisation has been banned from the business due to their own members actions and now they are doing what they do the best - harass the business. Kind Regards, Matt Avens, Head of Career Development, Los Santos City Government Edited September 19, 2019 by OBESE 2
MReefer Posted September 19, 2019 Report Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) Billy Gorganzola, I respect freedom of speech and have no plans on coming in here to besiege this petition. Everyone has their rights to an opinion. You only mention details of an increase in criminal activity on your establishment, rather than the city, which leads me to thinking this may be a personal issue between you and some others. No that doesn't make any violence acceptable but as mentioned here it was something I was never made aware of. After looking through this, I am now aware. Crime rate in the city as a whole is roughly where it has always been, however I am going acknowledge that perhaps in the last 4 months since I became Chief there may have been little rises here and there. With that in mind I also want to put out another big transition which happened at roughly the same time 4 months ago. The formation of the Los Santos County Sheriffs Department. We lost our ex Chief of Police to resignation, 70% of our command staff transferred over there and a large number of officers resigned. I was left with quite a few gaps to plug and It was not something I was willing to rush and get wrong. We were in the process of a rebuild and then suddenly told on top of all that we still had to cover the county areas as LSSD didn't yet have the man power to do it alone. This is with our force already depleted. Obviously due to security reasons and for my officers safety the above couldn't previously be public knowledge. I'm telling you this now is because it is no longer an issue. The LSSD now hold their own areas, as of yesterday the jurisdiction between the two is in full flow and the LSPD have started to move in to a much more solid position within the city. You said it yourself you have noticed an increase in patrols, something that will only improve. I am always open to listening to the people and until I am no longer capable (for whatever reason) I will continue to do my best with what I have. That is all I can offer. Regards, Chief of Police Mick Reefer Los Santos Police Department Edited September 19, 2019 by MReefer 7 2
Copes Posted September 19, 2019 Report Posted September 19, 2019 Hello, My organization has had a couple rough patches in the past with Los Santos Customs resulting in these "blanket bans" and were solved both professionally and with proper communication. Not sure why that has regressed since our last formal talk. While I strongly believe these mass bans only add fuel to the fire and result in more chaos on your premises, that is besides the point. Although our situation was vastly different than the Los Zetas, we were willing to work things out and so are they (maybe not as straight forward, but pointing fingers won't help your case). This is made quite clear from previous posts sent from those affiliated. Communicate or risk more lives? The choice is yours my friend. -Jamaar Bovarium
Thebearski Posted September 19, 2019 Author Report Posted September 19, 2019 Dear Mick, I appreciate your response and understand the troubles you have had since starting your new position. I look forward to seeing how you improve the LSPD. Billy Gorganzola
CaesarSeizure Posted September 19, 2019 Report Posted September 19, 2019 Hello, I honestly think that PD are doing fine. The only issue i would like for the current Chief of Police to change, is that sometimes it looks like the officers take calls just to take calls. A single guy running from PD, should not cause 5 cruisers and likely 10 officers to start chasing him. The PD needs to evaluate how it responds to calls, because when i see small incidents for non violent crimes have 4 PD cruisers at the location, i think that is an inefficient way to deal with these situations. If PD adjusted its response to suit the situation more (rather than everyone taking a backup request and then chasing a single individual out of the city) we could have more officers ready to respond to more situations and would definitely help with the way PD is seen. Tyrone Briggs DCC CPO
Rubsmeister Posted September 19, 2019 Report Posted September 19, 2019 Better hide yo BMX cuz we taking that shit cuz 3 1
thiggins19 Posted September 19, 2019 Report Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) Dear LSC Manager, Blue doesn't mean Zeta. Many people wear blue and paint their cars blue to get a rise out of us and to blame things on us, like Fake Zetas. Your CCTV footage might show blue and blue cars but that doesn't always mean it is us. I can recall numerous incidents were we ran into a LSC employee and let them ago after seeing their badge, however, we continue to be harassed by LSC. We went for a spoiler change and the mechanic told us, "we don't have blue paint," and "we don't serve blue regards." Maybe we continue to hit you because you continue to provoke us? Bayview doesn't have a single problem with us, but then again, they're the better of the two mechanic shops. Sincerely, The Zeta Soldier Edited September 19, 2019 by thiggins19 1
Balastas Posted September 19, 2019 Report Posted September 19, 2019 3 hours ago, CaesarSeizure said: Hello, I honestly think that PD are doing fine. The only issue i would like for the current Chief of Police to change, is that sometimes it looks like the officers take calls just to take calls. A single guy running from PD, should not cause 5 cruisers and likely 10 officers to start chasing him. The PD needs to evaluate how it responds to calls, because when i see small incidents for non violent crimes have 4 PD cruisers at the location, i think that is an inefficient way to deal with these situations. If PD adjusted its response to suit the situation more (rather than everyone taking a backup request and then chasing a single individual out of the city) we could have more officers ready to respond to more situations and would definitely help with the way PD is seen. Tyrone Briggs DCC CPO Hello, Problem is not a 5 units pursuing 1 evading guy. Problem Is that besides those 5 units most of officers don't do anything else, as example there is 25+ units most of the time at evenings only 5 of them are responding to calls, where are 20 other units?
vacant Posted September 19, 2019 Report Posted September 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Balastas said: Hello, Problem is not a 5 units pursuing 1 evading guy. Problem Is that besides those 5 units most of officers don't do anything else, as example there is 25+ units most of the time at evenings only 5 of them are responding to calls, where are 20 other units? Probably dead somewhere idk 1
Freclan Posted September 19, 2019 Report Posted September 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Balastas said: Hello, Problem is not a 5 units pursuing 1 evading guy. Problem Is that besides those 5 units most of officers don't do anything else, as example there is 25+ units most of the time at evenings only 5 of them are responding to calls, where are 20 other units? The LSPD have to do way more than just patrol Los Santos, some of the officers may be involved with training, others could be doing paperwork.
Cyrus Raven Posted September 19, 2019 Report Posted September 19, 2019 10 hours ago, JayGamble said: Hello those involved, This is just not true, you came once and spoke in a completely uncivil manner, in which I had zero tolerance for and ceased the conversation with you. LSC has arguably has some of the worst communication I've seen from a business standpoint, I'm not sure if that's due to pride, or lack of experience.. but you guys don't have anyone really capable of speaking on your behalf, and if you're meant to bridge that gap.. I can see why it's failed. We were banned from a business because someone in a blue colored outfit stole some cars from your establishment, and you believed the best solution was to blanket ban over 50+ people due to ones, or a few peoples mistakes. I mean look at what you did here, you attacked someone who has very little to do with this situation, and likely hasn't ever been approached by any of LSC's HC, but you think the best solution here is to take his job? Unreasonable as it gets. We were there just the other day, speaking to a few mechanics, in a completely friendly manner and had multiple officers called in, drawing weapons.. for what; us speaking to someone we're cool with? You could have simply asked us to leave, but made zero attempt to speak with us directly. The problem is you guys, and the way you operate.. and until that changes, I don't think many can take pity. There is a reason why we have such few issues with other major businesses in this city, but hey.. I'm not sure why anyone in their right mind would ever support this message. This sounds like manipulation 101. Let's be as cut and dry as possible. Los Zetas are the problem here. If this group of individuals got banned, even for a stupid reason, the method of response from a reasonable, law abiding member of society is not to then continuously attack this place of business through violence and fear mongering. It is holy understandable why LSC employees are complaining and why they might not take the most endearing and understanding tone when speaking to the head of this criminal organisation. As for the claim that the Chief of Police is sitting in silence, I do not agree with this either. I am sure that he's trying his best and as others have mentioned a direct correspondence with LSPD high command would probably go a long way, communication is key so maybe toning it down and coming to an understanding is the best option. For now I will abstain from signing this petition.
Psychoneurotic Posted September 19, 2019 Report Posted September 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Kyle White Raven said: I'm not sure why anyone in their right mind would ever support this message. This sounds like manipulation 101. Let's be as cut and dry as possible. Los Zetas are the problem here. If this group of individuals got banned, even for a stupid reason, the method of response from a reasonable, law abiding member of society is not to then continuously attack this place of business through violence and fear mongering. It is holy understandable why LSC employees are complaining and why they might not take the most endearing and understanding tone when speaking to the head of this criminal organisation. As for the claim that the Chief of Police is sitting in silence, I do not agree with this either. I am sure that he's trying his best and as others have mentioned a direct correspondence with LSPD high command would probably go a long way, communication is key so maybe toning it down and coming to an understanding is the best option. For now I will abstain from signing this petition. I would like to note that the only reason gangs like Narcos aren't around anymore, is because of Los Zetas and some other old gangs that are now disbanded. With those barbaric gangs around, not even areas like Bank or Tequi-la-la were safe. They robbed and killed whomever they wanted to. I do not condone violence towards citizens of Los Santos, but if I had to choose between barbaric gangs or Los Zetas, without a second thought I would choose Zetas. I see them as necessary evil.
Cyrus Raven Posted September 19, 2019 Report Posted September 19, 2019 Just now, Psychoneurotic said: I would like to note that the only reason gangs like Narcos aren't around anymore, is because of Los Zetas and some other old gangs that are now disbanded. With those barbaric gangs around, not even areas like Bank or Tequi-la-la were safe. They robbed and killed whomever they wanted to. I do not condone violence towards citizens of Los Santos, but if I had to choose between barbaric gangs or Los Zetas, without a second thought I would choose Zetas. I see them as necessary evil. I would choose to have none of them around in the first place. Two wrongs do not make a right.
