Ability to rob/loot cops

[Fuz]

Why can we not rob cops or loot them once they are down like every other person? This is not realistic at all as if a cop went down, you would be able to pick up his/her things, so why are we unable to in this server?

We should be able to loot them at least like any other person or at least get the weapon they were using at the time of being downed.

Edited August 1, 2019 by Fuz

[JayGamble]

-1. 

Giving people reason to hunt PD should never be a welcomed change.

[rockchuck]

+1 right now it’s  completely unrealistic and can ruin rp situations.

[JayGamble]

1 minute ago, rockchuck said:

+1 right now it’s  completely unrealistic and can ruin rp situations.

Can you help me understand what "RP" situation was ruined, because you weren't able to take their weapon? Am a bit confused, tbh.

Edited August 1, 2019 by JayGamble

[Fa1N]

-1.

You don't see criminals robbing Police in real life. And you only do it here because you have numbers, which eventually means you can just get a free pistol whenever you see a cop which is totally unrealistic in my opinion.

[SlickyRicky]

+1 Make RP Real Again.

[domis]

-1
Dont know how this would be realistic to just hunt down PD officers to get their .50 or heavy gun. Right now it prevents this kind of stuff. If you think that this ruins your RP, i really dont know, how this could fix or add more RP.

[Fuz]

Yeah I understand, maybe not rob but at least the ability to pick up the weapon they were holding or something when they got injured? The gun we hold when getting injured shouldn't go back into the inventory, rather be on the floor as this is more realistic.

[rockchuck]

Edit : not going to argue

Edited August 1, 2019 by rockchuck

[SlickyRicky]

Bottom line is you should be able to get something! Body armor, a gun, ammo, or heck I’d like a taser. Don’t think this would cause cops to be “hunted” I really doubt that. Really you could even implement a rule that you can’t hunt cops for the sole purpose of looting them. It’s not hard to ensure a cops safety during routine activity.

[Aldarine]

-1

As stated by previous posters, all this would do is create the sport of hunting cops which is something that is absolutely not needed in this server.

[FNGJersey]

-1 No need, no one robs cops. 

[LiveTrash]

3 minutes ago, SlickyRicky said:

Bottom line is you should be able to get something! Body armor, a gun, ammo, or heck I’d like a taser. Don’t think this would cause cops to be “hunted” I really doubt that. Really you could even implement a rule that you can’t hunt cops for the sole purpose of looting them. It’s not hard to ensure a cops safety during routine activity.

-1 Support That's exactly what it'll cause, because it has before. It's like this now for a reason.

Trust me, I've been in and out of PD enough to see everything it's gone through.

This isn't a cops and robbers server. If you're here to hunt down cops to take their weapons or take advantage of shootout situations, then you are here for the wrong reasons.

[SlickyRicky]

10 minutes ago, LiveTrash said:

-1 Support That's exactly what it'll cause, because it has before. It's like this now for a reason.

Trust me, I've been in and out of PD enough to see everything it's gone through.

This isn't a cops and robbers server. If you're here to hunt down cops to take their weapons or take advantage of shootout situations, then you are here for the wrong reasons.

Did you miss the part where I said you can implement rules that prevent hunting cops for the purposes of looting them? Just checking to make sure I was clear enough. 

[Riderz]

-1

[CycloneDavid]

-1 Big time

[Skippy]

1 hour ago, Fa1N said:

-1.

You don't see criminals robbing Police in real life. And you only do it here because you have numbers, which eventually means you can just get a free pistol whenever you see a cop which is totally unrealistic in my opinion.

actually gangs roll up on cops a lot.

+1 for me, just make some sort of rules where you cant hunt them. Maybe even make it to where it is not a guaranteed drop, like sometimes it despawns sometimes it doesnt, something like that, and its only the weapon in hand. Also, it would be a lot more rewarding if you got into a big shoot out with cops and at least got a heavy or two since now you get nothing. Much more realistic that way.

Edited August 1, 2019 by HDKSamurai
additional text

[LiveTrash]

34 minutes ago, SlickyRicky said:

Did you miss the part where I said you can implement rules that prevent hunting cops for the purposes of looting them? Just checking to make sure I was clear enough. 

No, it won't matter. They'll try it anyway regardless of rules. I've lost count how many times I've tried to be taken hostage after someone makes a 911 call to bait officers to a location.

[Kieron Reeves]

+1 should be allowed they just scared because it takes cops power level down if they know they will lose a carbine or a shotgun to a criminal instead of losing nothing might help rp with nearly every cop having a heavy weapon against criminal with pistols, it would also lessen police harassment that we get 

[WillJ]

-1

Really couldn't see this going well, i know that in real life people could try to rob cops if they wanted but it would be insanely stupid to do and it very, very rarely happens. People would most likely abuse it to get free guns/equipment too, which would kind of mess up the economy and would ruin the experience for a lot of cops. 

[Phil McGee]

-1 And no surprise the suggestion comes from the most trigger happy group on server.  

[James_McNulty]

-1

This is the epitome of bad roleplay. This server already has a plague like epidemic of robberies right now.  Also even in the light/medium RP we are in on Eclipse now robbing law enforcement is illogical and non-rp. You would not drive around and rob law enforcement IRL, and as such on this RP server it should not be allowed either. The LSPD and Sheriff's are already constantly DM'ed and baited and dragged into repetitive shootouts tens of times daily. If people were allowed to rob and target them it would probably just become unbearable for any LEO to even log in and patrol. Let's look at how being a civilian/criminal is in the server environment is now...

- Get gas = robbed

- Walk out of 24/7 from basic food purchase = Robbed

- Go home to your apartment = followed and robbed

- Walk out of your apartment = robbers already robbing your neighbor

- Walk ten feet out of bank NCZ zone = robbed

- Even THINK about getting 500m near a drug processing site = robbed

 

If with all the poor robbery spam RP going on you think that adding the ability to rob LAW ENFORCEMENT is what is needed..-...you may be part of the problem.

Edited August 2, 2019 by James_McNulty

[LiveTrash]

38 minutes ago, Kieron Reeves said:

+1 should be allowed they just scared because it takes cops power level down if they know they will lose a carbine or a shotgun to a criminal instead of losing nothing might help rp with nearly every cop having a heavy weapon against criminal with pistols, it would also lessen police harassment that we get 

Spreading misinformation is not helping.

There are very strict weapons protocols we follow. An officer is not going to pull a carbine or shotgun out against a criminal with a pistol. They will however pull one out if there are multiple criminals ganging up on one officer, or if a single criminal also has a heavy weapon.

[Actualbears]

As a member of both PD (Previous member) and now the sheriff faction, I figured I'll give my opinion of this and actually hop on my forum account. 

This was an issue before in the community (Ye old long time), while it takes your standard run of the mill officer who has been full-timing PD (With good luck) at least 4+ months to complete and achieve the necessary paperwork and level within the LEO faction to even be handed your standard heavy. The server was polluted with the ye old gangs who held up said newbie and nervous PD officers who likely never dealt with the rule skirting gangs before being held up and constantly gunned down for the smallest matter. 

The worst part? Weapons were actually droppable by PD members during this time. Your generic PO II was held up, had his shotgun stripped and then sent off while your ye olde gang fucked up with their cruiser and radio. The second half of this being said gang would gun down the scared officer who hit his panic button after being surrounded by multiple gang members while he was responding to a call. (It was a valid reason to DM and STILL IS if an officer smacks that panic in certain times.) After all, was said and done, your scared PO II is now dead as all fuck and the gang makes off with a fully loaded heavy weapon that he pulled out in a panic from his cruiser inventory to defend himself. 

This was abused and officers would respond to bait calls every so often just to have this situation happen to them. Likely the worst regarding gang roleplay (Along with bullying new players) 

-

Cut back to now, The system was changed to where a firearm isn't droppable upon death and bait calls were brought down to a minimal low. For once? Gang roleplay actually improved and (somewhat still is). 

Though this doesn't mean your run of the mill PO II or deputy gets handed off a heavy weapon off of the bat without any rules. We have rules of engagement when using heavies (Such as an officer being outnumbered either multiple lads with pistols, one packing a heavy or needing to clear out a drug lab.) Misuse of your heavy weapon in front of a superior or recorded footage which is then brought up to internal investigations which will likely lead to said officer or deputy being slapped with a heavy weapon certification removal, a possible removal from anything special like SWAT (That's simply a possibility I think, I've never seen it happen) and a general suspension for excessive force. 

The point is we have rules in the LEO factions, and gangs/ New players with multiple cronies with pistols holding up an officer just for the lol's of getting a free shotgun/SMG/AR or generally being near them while they're committing a crime is going to stoop criminal roleplay to the levels back when it was just terrible. 

-1, We don't need trigger happy gangs who want to kill us and take our cruisers just for the sweet sweet gear. This would likely cause more OOC rule enforcement for the server, cops to be more likely to shoot in situations and cause people to scream DM or them refusing to even acknowledge their rightfully owned heavies and refuse to use them (Thus killing the point of this thread)

Edited August 2, 2019 by Actualbears

[Flucifial]

I agree that it is realistic to be able to get stuff off of cops just like any other person, although I think it may give reasons for people to just hunt cops to get police gear.

 

I'm kind of neutral, I understand why you want to be able to get their things, but don't think the true reasoning behind it would be a good thing.