Actualbears

You avoid mentioning DOC because you know just how bad it gets in there and proves how much the playerbase is willing to abuse an entire rope if you give them an inch. And besides, it is against the rules to be doing open public robberies like that.

Tid bit of a problem now since this thread has went to throwing me under a proverbial bus and putting a target on my back both IC'ly and OOC'ly by making an entire forum thread about it instead of discussing it through PM's.

Pretty good suggestion but at the moment the server is already hurting for players. And within those players comes a small amount of LEO's and I believe it is all fair to say is both current LEO factions are having a shortage of players.

I AM NOT SLANDERING OR ATTEMPTING TO HARASS ANYONE WITH THIS POST OR THE SLURS IT CONTAINS. IT IS MERELY SHOWING THE REALITY OF THINGS. Try as you might mate just because there is a rule limiting the slurs and IC near mixing harassment doesn't mean the playerbase is going to adapt and follow by the rules. Despite being in effect for the past few months, there's always goin to be players both new and veterans who've been here for 3+ years willing to shout all kinds of things IC'ly when situations get tense like when someone gets downed in a shootout and proceeds to call the person who is searching or arresting them a retarded faggot despite having 10+ .50 rounds lodged in their chest. Then there's the fact a whole lot of players here come from european/slavic/balkan/middle eastern states where that kind of culture around transgenderism and homosexuality is considered damn near diabolical. So whenever a player, both new or veteran hears your female player model speak with a male tone voice. There is going to always be the opportunity for them to pull some jokes or straight up calling you a tranny freak of nature and informing you to kill yourself IC. You have the ability to report them for it if that time comes, but all you have to do is wait for the next encounter and someone is bound to say fuck the rules and call you a tranny freak IC'ly. It's literally human nature for some people to act like that. As Bala said. VOIP is the primary ways of talking in this game. Lot of the gov factions require it, you might get some peace from only going through text but it'll only get you so far in situations. Following up on what Bala said last. There are more similar servers out there that follow upon INCREDIBLY strict of rules that basically make any harassments be it racial/homophobic/transphobic an insta permaban for the offender. ECRP is not one of those places and with the players that join on the daily or has been here since the english server ordered will not easily bend to such insults. The rule still requires some clarification and actual in effect justice for it to be considered common knowledge by most players and to show them that it's not okay. There's always going to be people in this community and every other who will know how to push your buttons. Be it you're an LEO, civilian or even a gangster. People know that the whole OOC mental manipulation can benefit people into breaking rules or IC protocols by calling the opposing player by pressing their buttons and calling them an insult that nears the actual player identification or constantly irrupting by just saying shut up fag over and over again. The server is a rough loving mistress. Sometimes it takes away your drive to play through other characters mixing harassment IC'ly and OOC'ly, sometimes it gives fun and opportunity if you find the right group. Though most of the time you're just going to have a sixteen year old calling you every racial slur under the sun while they have you a gunpoint. For example. When I first joined PD 2+ years ago, I came in as a female officer and attempted to put a legit female voice. It wasn't before too long that every time I made an arrest and spoke using my microphone, I would right away get called a tranny IC'ly and get mocked in front of my superiors. I tried to get a thicker skin to handle it but eventually one just needs to accept the truth that when there's people, there is going to be that mindset of thinking and calling out differences. After a while I just shrugged my arms and had a male officer transfer in. I will say it once more. Where there is people, there is going to be that one person that is going to use their inflated ego or rage to call you whatever racial or gender based insult (Probably both together) to see you get flustered and quit the game or rile an IC reaction so you do something stupid for their benefit. You can try to adapt, grow a thick skin or just stop playing on that community and go find something that has a much more stronger grasp on punishing all uses of slurs. Right now this server does not have the restrictions to provide a proper safe zone away from the actions you mentioned in your post and chances are you'll only be causing yourself more mental distress the more you linger about. You can report who you can for IC mixing on the slurs and OOC harassments to staff on the proper channels but the source is not plugged and there will be incidents.

The current version is there is a certain amount of 10k money packs per x officers on-duty. This just leaves to smaller groups throwing 7-8 dudes at a bank robbery during PD dead hours and take off with 1-2 packs each person for a hot spanking 20-30k each crim and then run out and flee, leaving about 1/2 of the total money. My suggestion is to instead allow the vaults to carry the max amount of money inside but adjust the amount of money per pack. If there is only the minimum amount of officers on-duty needed for bank robberies to happen, they would have to risk the fact they are actually raiding a vault of a bank to get the big gains when there's only 10 spread out units on-duty and 10 people inside the vault grabbing a quick 20-30k per person and cheesing it. This I feel would help adjust the fact the first on-scene officers who arrive at the bank job with people inside actually have a chance to avoid a fear-rp breach for trying to stop the unrealistic large crowd raiding the vault when they run outside and make those who do take the chance of raiding a distant bank like Chumash during dead pop hours actually have a chance of consequences.

While I understand there is a need for some form of maturity since we're playing a literal game called grand theft auto V. One can only pull up into a group while driving and get bombarded with getting called and witnessing others shout faggot, homo, nigger, retard, labas, kike, heeb, dirty jew, tranny and most of the American based slur handbook by a sixteen year old roleplaying a hardened street gangster before it becomes both OOC tedious to roleplay with such induvial as they continue to shout nigger and retard into their microphone mid-arrest to vent their OOC anger in an attempt to send it off as IC. At that point attempting to ask them to cut it out with the slurs in /b would either get the slurring player off as they're stroking their egoistical dick and feel satisfied from having made someone uncomfortable and seeing it with the /b to ask them to tone it down or attempt to cause an OOC/IC act from their slurring that could work in their favor. A change would be good, not so much to protect the majority of streamers but for the entirety of the server pop.

A hard no for me on this one because even you as a moderator should know a majority of the playerbase, be it veteran players with 1mil exp or newbies with 3k cannot be trusted to play nice as a majority of people manage to fight through five taserings in a row.

Sadly most motorcycle clubs don't last long enough to warrant having their uniform/custom outfits, but as said for factions like PD/SD/MD/DOC, they're pretty much staples of the community faction wise. I don't see much of a point of the developers implementing custom clothing for non-official or even official factions that hardly last a decent six months without disbanding.

Simple as the title says. I feel the whole engines being able to be started by civvies was a half-cocked gun and the development team adding in an easily abused feature without some means of rule type/mechanics hotwiring system. As seen in this footage here what the main situation with civvies is like. https://streamable.com/5f2geo (The rulebreak itself was already forwarded to those who needed to see it instead of on the forums) This also leaves PD/SD in the more riskier areas of powergaming in order to have our cruisers stolen by wandering players, in which we often time unlock the car and open the rear doors to put a handcuffed suspect in. This leaves it so some random shumck can hop into the driver seat, start the engine and drive off with no RP or we hit K as they are trying to get in and get reported for powergaming.

Date and time (provide timezone): 2:32 PM PST 7/14/2021 Character name: Alex Bones Issue/bug you are reporting: Civilians and those are who are not in a respective LEO faction are able to start the engine of PD/SD/DOC vehicles with them being originally off in regards to the engine. This allows for civilians/crims to abuse the fact a PD/SD unit needs to be careful to avoid someone either running past them while roleplaying placing a suspect in their cruiser and having to have the vehicle unlocked to RPly open the rear passenger doors. I feel like as a criminal myself on the side. It should not be this easy epically since an officer has to place roleplay amongst anything else and if someone who play the rules currently is easily able to do so. >Officer unlocks car and turns off engine and attempts to put handcuffed man in back of car >Handcuffed man is placed in back >Within the five seconds of the officer not being in the driver seat and the suspect in the back a man runs past the officer >Gets into driver seat, starts the engine and drives off Which leads to the officer being unable to react due to draw time of his taser and even if he's able to draw out his taser, he is unable to shoot the occupant in the car with said taser due to it being a moving vehicle and considered NONRP by the adminstration team and he's unable to shoot and disable the vehicle by the tires due to not having DM rights and force protocol as set by faction standards. This would only seem to increase ruleplaying and OOC tensions between law enforcement players and criminals. Expected behavior: Only PD officers would be able to start PD faction spawned vehicles and vice versa for SD only being able to start the engines of SD vehicles. Evidence, notes worth mentioning, steps to replicate: Spawn in a PD or SD vehicle and not be in any of the LEO faction vehicles. Get into the vehicle as a civilian and you'll be able to start the engine. Vehicle license plate number*: N/A

Looking at the footage and comparing it to the ID of the bike next to you in the second clip, he was well fully aware of the situation at hand and continued to bike at your side. So trying to play off how he was just another civvie is a bit of a long reach.

This looks pretty good to me so far, but I was wondering about some additions in terms of groups using one of their own mates or offering a new player x amount of money for playing the hostage (Who is at risk of getting a non-rp for putting themselves in danger like that by either report or an admin checking in on the situation) I would also like that if there is a legit hostage situation with DM writes. The hostage takers should provide POV of how they obtained said hostage.

As already said, the supers are limited to certain ranks and come with a bunch of restrictions. But they're needed in order to combat the people who use a VSTR with one of the certain default tires during car modding in order to bypass the server vehicle limitation and the car to zoom to 240.

1. Sure, but most police departments have on-station mechanics (Even more in larger cities.) They'll only contract out to local mechanic shops if they're a small a broke town. 2. No. The server already has a bad enough line of toxicity between gang members and the law enforcement departments and I feel giving more of a way to engage gunfights with PD/SD versus crims would only lead to more reports, /b save pov and shootouts which I believe is one thing the founders are currently trying to stray from. There's nothing but risk of getting killed from raiding military convoys and the national guard has gone belly flop and non-existent since the azteca and NLA conflict. 3. Plenty of ways to break out of prison instead of taking a hostage without the usage of scripts. Using a hostage is just the easiest way to getting shot once you leave.

what were the dm rights on the hostage though?

I suggest you wait until the full forum report is made before assuming such things. It's quite difference from our perspective.

Threatening to stack/add charges for a suspect actively resisting arrest or putting up a verbal argument and being non-compliant is what gets an officer called a piece of shit over ooc. You can talk to mostly any experienced officer who's been in PD for three months that's been in the situation of using charges as a means of threats is what causes people to make ranty forum posts calling out PD for giving them extra time for failing to follow orders or resisting arrest instead of complying with a taser pointed at their face. We also have strict guidelines about stacking charges, which is why we don't use them for threats.

-1 Fear RP is already a joke when it comes to dealing with LEO's, Quite a number of suspects we have to deal with on a daily basis, low level nobodies or high ranking members of gangs don't really take cops serious. Even if they're surrounded by some SWAT lads and refuse to do anything at the risk of being tased/smacked with batons, We have to breach our own force protocol at times just to make criminals comply with our orders, in which puts us at risk for an OOC/IC IA report because of us having to withdraw our guns on a handcuffed suspect just to make them follow basic commands. A good example would be of this video from a code one, We had two suspects in custody. Lola Millers simply making mindless banter and insults despite being surrounded by officers and handcuffed in the back of the cruiser and Mr.Curtin simply not giving the slightest of fucks at the risk of being electrocuted by myself or beaten into a pile of meat with my baton. It wasn't until Chief Bacon himself stepped out to withdraw his pistol and had to breach force continuum, as us doing it first would of probably resulted in myself or the other SWAT operative on scene getting reported for OOC corruption by any players lurking around. Even if we were forced to do it and baited ourselves into an internal affairs report due to the suspect breaching the fearrp rules. I'm not sure what we would of done with the female suspect already in the back of the car, Usually one wouldn't talk shit when they're taken hostage/kidnapped by gangs. But we just found her banter annoying and ignored her. And if we did withdraw our guns firstly to get Mr.Curtin in, It would of just made PD seem more 'blue man bad' as we always seem to go for our guns first. As for the incident, Things were worked out with the player (Darragh) on an OOC level. I felt like this could be used as a good example.

We obviously have some toxicity issues in the community, no turning that off. No way to stop it, Most of the people barely tolerate each other here and it's not that hard to set off different groups against one another on the forums with like discussions involving groups Gangs vs gangs Civs vs gangs Gangs vs pd/sd Forum reports I'd prefer us just casually downvoting each other instead of blatantly throwing out insults and harassing people through the forums. Even though that's what most of us want to do is rip into one another and call names. But due to the limitations of the rules we can't. (I'll admit, I have my fair urges of plainly throwing out insults during arguments here on the forums.) The downvote feature is there to people to have a way to call you a dumbass without having to post it, Which I suppose the forum moderators would rather have that instead of full blown insults being tossed around in my opinion. If you're getting downvoted spammed, It's probably some dude and his mates ganging up on you. But when they start verbally harassing you is when it becomes a problem and you should report it. tl;dr, The forum reactions are for players to insult one another without getting punished. Which avoids people spewing insults over the forums. So let's keep it that way.

Date and time (provide timezone): 8/15/2020, PST. 9:41 AM Character name: Alec Bones Issue/bug you are reporting: A member of an official criminal faction is able to take their own vehicles, Take it to a chopshop and chop it. This means a member that's part of said criminal factions is able to bring their novak in, Have it chopped by the registered owner. This provides them with practically double the cash from what they'll have to pay at mors for a new car and it even gives their faction influence in the area. Expected behavior: You should not be able to chopshop your own vehicle for cash and gain faction influence from having your own car chopped, By you. Probably can be considered non-rp too. Evidence, notes worth mentioning, steps to replicate: Be part of an official faction that's able to gain/lose influence points for turfs, Go to a chopshop such as the one in cypress flats, Bring your own vehicle and have it chopped. You'll gain a faction influence in that area and pocket money. Vehicle license plate number*: N/A

+1 if it's an automatic /ame of whatever we're taking out/doing, Helps with the powergaming accusations that people like to toss.

At the moment, The tollbooth is often a hellhole of gatherings and influenced by the dirty sorts. Well, The very well planned out ones. There's often some borderline non-rp violations I have seen. One of which being a video passed around of gang members (A non-official one but still very prominent in terms of effects on the server) on a mixed frequency communicating through it, One of which you hear. 'OPEN THE GATE OPEN THE GATE' as prior communication indicated they were being chased by the police. The footage from both the law enforcement stand point and the one captured by a stray gang member who was observing showed the toll booth attendant who was on the frequency itself open the gate for the haku drag that the police were chasing, Then immediately shutting it after it passed. You can also see the tollbooth attendant pull out a modified pistol and began to aim it at the police, Ready to open fire at the polis as the gate was closed. This resulted in multiple police cruisers stacking up at the gate demanding it open, With the attendant still aiming a pistol at a cop cruiser at the booth. Right next to him. The attendant then locked the booth, Went onto his own drag and with one final goodbye, Said 'Fuck you pig'. Then driving off to assist their fleeing ally, Which made it painfully known that they were in cohorts. The ex-toll booth attendant then bragged about his actions. Now, One problem I see here is that the tollbooth is a scripted job. Much like moneytrucks, postal vans and garbage collecting. It's a way for newplayers and your average civs to get around do a bit of fun., Not to be used and abused for criminal actions. My suggestions? 1) Make the tollbooth operator job operate like any other scripted job regarding the non-rp rules with scripted vehicles. • Spawning a scripted work vehicle and using it for anything other than its intended purpose. To include use and abuse of the tollbooth operator position for illegal actions and illicit gains. As again, It's a scripted job. 2) Allow the two LEO factions, PD/SD to identify who the current tollbooth operators are. Be it through a feature on the mdc or a simple script check such as /checktollbooth to see who's currently manning it. Letting them be wary that 'Oh a violent offender who's part of a organized criminal organization is manning one of the most busiest roads tollbooth, it might fuck us later'. Allowing them to have precaution before getting ambushed at the tollbooth due to said felon operator locking it and allowing the LEOS to get swarmed in and slaughtered by an ambush.

understanding of how the police department works is we're authorized to take out heavies under specific circumstances. Not to mention PO3's+ and SWAT's are the only people who really stand a chance of winning a gunfight with the more experienced gang members.

fucking lmao with the price of food, drinks and buying stuff in general along with making 5k an hour. there's no way in hell I'm going to cough up 20K+ to deploy an assault rifle or a shotgun and have to explain over the radio why I can't join the firefight with my combat pistol due to the lack of a heavy of my own. even more when we're playing one of the most reported against factions and universally hated IC'ly and OOC'ly that when a new player sees will usually try to DM us let alone veteran criminals

Don't pull those cards if you can't handle a bit of heat of your own. My original post had no direction to go or pointed a finger at any specific player, but you had to go ahead and shitpost from it anyway.