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  1. This is the last time I will reply to this thread becuase no one is willing to budge either way, you either agree with what happened or you dont. First of all, we dont really give a fuck anymore and have moved to a FiveM server focusing more on RP, so I dont have any interest in debating much longer but the stubborn side of me feels like a few things need clarified. Very few of you have understood the crux of this post. We UNDERSTAND we lost and the reasons why that happened, stop mentioning it - I dont think anyone here is really that stupid that needs to be told again. "You gave up leverage", "You let the hostage go" ; yeah no shit sherlock. What fun would having a stalemate be for either side? What fun is making unreasonable demands? Our intentions were to HAVE FUN, not just for us but, everyone involved. If anyone said they had fun from an RP standpoint in that , they are lying or have a low threshold for fun. The RP was shit, it didnt exist. Simply watch the video it is there in black and white. If you disagree, go watch a Nopixel bank robbery. "You cant compare Eclipse to Nopixel" - Ehmm.. Of course you can. Its an RP server for the game of GTA V, its literally a like for like comparison. Any argument otherwise is probably moot and being pedantic. Why am I choosing that for comparison - it is fun and entertaining for all parties involved and thats what all servers should strive to be. There is a reason it is so succesful and its not hard to understand why. I am not talking about the massive streamers, even way prior to the hype (im talking 2+ years ago) the server was the best in the buissness when it came to content and entertainment. My advise to whoever has the power for change is to take a close look at that server and what it does right and try to replicate that. Its about people having fun and they have cracked it. The people there CARE about the story of their characters and its developtment, unlike here and thats the difference. The police broke several rules during the robbery also (i will not list them all) , they didnt value the hostages life as much as their own (they are supposed to) which is evident from not complying to demands PRIOR to the release of the hostage. They couldnt predict the outcome and upon us hitting the spikes we would realise this and could have killed him. They opened fire with civilians onlooking. There was no imediate threat to life. Nevermind the officers ruinning up to 4 armed robbers- suicide mission if it was IRL; which is where a key flaw with the servers is highlighted. Where is the line between realism and gaming because to the commuity and even the staff it is a very blurred line, at least from my perspective as a player. There is cherry picking everywhere to whats not allowed and what flys under the radar. Do X and youre reported for non-realistic RP, Report someone for Y and its "it is a game and not supopsed to be real life"; even when X and Y are extremely close in nature. I understand that its really difficulty to articulately put a distinction out there, giving the size of the player base and I dont know what I would do to fix it if I were in your shoes but, the line needs to be clearer or people are going to get upset when they are told they broke a rule when they thought they did not and vice versa. Furthermore, the "Save PoV" meta is TOXIC as fuck. The constant reporting... The constant arguments and fall-outs. This is a very big issue with the server. Yet again, its a large server and its hard to manage I understand that but from my perspective as a player ( I think I speak on behalf of most of them ) it is really really not fun. It is inhibiting RP and making people think twice before doing something that would be hilarious or adrenaline inducing. Even with this post, several people have commented that I should make a report if I am not happy? I dont want someone to be banned or waste the moderators time? The answer is not to make a report every time something bad happens, that will not change what happened. There needs to be a pro-active approach not a reactive one. It just the way the server is now. I havent came across many who care about the RP and making a good story or adventure. All anyone cares about are themselves and securing/promoting their characters assets. I know that isnt everyone but its most. Anyone who doesnt fit the description probably wont last long in the server when their Rp needs arent being met. Its criminals v cops and they both couldnt care less about each other. Its too serious, which is why we have moved city unfortunetely. Actually now I think about it, every single person I played with about 2 months ago has left also and I am not being dramatic, literally about 15 people. I go online and check the user list and I know about 7 people when I used to know about 80.The 7 people I do know all have very high Exp and probably suffer from sunk cost fallacy. The server clearly must have a high turnover rate and its obvious why. I would ramble on forever if I thought it would make any real change. 1) Theres too much OOC. It should be almost banned to maintain immerson. Everyone keeps saying its a serious RP server- if thats in relation to real life then defo, if in relation to serious RP then defo not and its the latter that is important ! 2) Theres a toxic save PoV/reporting meta. 3) The 'cops v robbers' mentality. Guys, you are all humans and all in there to have fun. Be nice to each other and have FUN interactions. Also, anyone who is an officer who says that they are all nice and want to have good RP is bias. Probably close to half of my interactions with the officers have been unfriendly (almost hostile) in nature and not fun , whether I am acting as a criminal or not. Actually, I watched a video the other day made by the golbins possibly on youtuve that highlighted the issue well (also some admin bias/corruption possibly) when talking about crime v cop relationship. Go youtube it its easy to find. If you put the people behind the characters in a room or a discord , from each side, they would not be friends or get along. Theres a hostile mentality which needs to be fixed. 4) I would say there is too much second voice. it ruins immersion. These points are BROAD ones, I know not everythign applies to everyone okay but it applies to far more of the community than it should. Peace out Edit: Spawning in the lambo for the extremely unlikely chase that would never happen becuase we stood no chance of making it 100metres anyway highlights the WE MUST BEAT THEM mentality that exists OOC.
  2. I completely agree. We were trying to have fun and be fair. It supposed to be enjoyable for both sides.
  3. If you look at the original post and video I think its abundantly clear.
  4. Reasonable suspicion is an OBJECTIVE TEST thats clarified in lines of case law. If they pass the test then that amounts to just casue... So no... You are 100% wrong in your statemetnt. Also I dont know why youre quoting the Mimms case... If you have read it then you would know it doesnt support your argument at all? Like I am genuinely baffled at your response.. Youre own statement is a contradiction and shows me your comprehension of the law is googled and/or from a game. If you work in the legal sector IRL, I would sack you.
  5. I didnt post footage prior , its pointless we just sat there for 10 minutes hsouting out the bank trying to have fnu with someone. The latter segments are just us being rammed by 5 cop cars.
  6. Thanks for the reply. Yes I know, I dont know if you read my replies to some of the thread but, we know theres a balance and we dont expect IRL laws adn the game to be in sync completely. I dont have any interest in reporting anyone, they play how they wish. I think the onus should be on the admins and moderators to make sure the server runs as they intended and it should be a pro-active approach. Maybe not on the larger scale but in situations like this definitely. Would you be willing to give your opinions on the video I posted from how the support staff hope a situation like this would play out?
  7. We could of yes but we wanted to be fair with the Police.....
  8. I wasn't going to mention this as I couldnt care less about being a 'rules lawyer' but when they police shot us up that was the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen, trigger happy teenagers by the looks of it. In real life , that would never have happened for many many reasons. There was no immediate threat to life and you could dictate intentions from the release of the hostage, you could put up a weak argument for the contrary but frankly, it would be clutching at straws (from a court rooms PoV).
  9. I feel like I have rebutted most of your points in my original post. I know why the things that happened, happened. I just think the fundamental way it went down was not fun and can be improved a lot. I think it boils down to the police being power-hungry; which is reflected elsewhere in the server and community. The RP is very serious and must be taken to be realistic when its a bank robbery but almost everywhere else in the server the same level of RP is not ever close. Im a lawyer in real life, the police break laws with almost every interaction I have had with them, theres entraptment everywhere ,nevermind the breach of power and lack of respect for the 'Rule of law'. Oh wait, that wouldnt be fair and I wouldnt expect it BECAUSE its a game and that would not be fun for anyone who plays the police, the main objective of a game being to create fun and enjoyment. They can search you without cause (even if they believe they have it, in reality its not legal), they can order you to show ID without lawful cause; they give out lawful orders just by using their voice. That isnt serious life-like RP from their behalf but when we go to rob a store its all of a sudden mimicing real life? Its a hypocritical paradime in its current state. I am not dissapointed for not seeing our plan work, like I stated in my original post, im dissapointed in the RP. We wanted everyone involved to have fun, I dont think anyone had as much as they were expecting and thats the issue I have. Its a game and its supposed to be fun; its an RP server but there was no meaningful interactions between the two sides for the msot part.
  10. My whole point is that its taken too seriously and people forget its a game and supposed to be fun for both sides. It too hard, we had no chance and I dont see many scenarios where anyone would without breaking server rules.
  11. Three of my friends and I just tried to rob a fleetus bank in the city. When I say I havent had more fun than negotiationg and RP'ing with the hostage I mean it. We robbed it knowing full well a lot of offciers would be there in minutes , our expectations was to have a fair chase and a CHANCE of escape. When the police first arrived the shouted drop the weapons and come out thebank or you are all dead. Whilst we had guns aimed at the hostage , I shouted that we would kill the hostage and then someone replied "thats not how this works" - this is a clear sign to me they have no interst in fun RP but some power hungry guy who wants to just tell people what to do on the server. Someone obviously told him to stop becuase we eventuaklly got a hostage negotiator. But we had to wait for 10 minutes for them to turn up and NONE OF THE POLICE INTERACTED WITH US except for one: Officer Nash - well done. What followed were what seemed like fair and honest negotiations which was all good RP. We negotiated fair passage (universally accepeted across all servers as allowed to leave the bank unharmed in a functioning vehicle) , no spikes for the wheels and no shooting from either side. This was for the hostage to be unharmed. We left the bank, got in the car and every officer screamed get out. Thats the first negotiated point out the window. Drove off and spikes at the road, theres goes the second. They started shooting, there goes the third. Suddenly, all fun was out the window, I lost all motivation for continuing the RP as did my friends. You cannot expect anyone to ever rob a bank or store or have ANY hostage situation if thats how the RP goes down. It was not fun at all. We had such high expectations and were met with power hungry officers who dont apreciate the RP (some of them did of course) , this is what it felt like at least. It straight up put us off the server to be honest, if you look at other servers such as NoPixel and AMP they have the most amazing and fun RP with bank hiests etc. There is so much potential. We had planned our escape root, planted get-away vehicles and had a back up plan. None of that planning was able to be used. In total we lost 4x guns for 10k. A drill for 8k. We were all fined for at least 27,000. Thats well over 100,000 in losses. Also, someone has to use their own car as there isnt any NPC ones available. We cant rob someones because it wont be close to fast enoguh probably. The polcie brought out the fastest car in the game, some broken lambo. Its just setting you up for failure and disheartening. If we ever do play again , we certainkly wont be robbing any banks, it is impossible in its current state. I dont want to be all negative but I am just really sad. thats how we all feel, we watch the best entertainers on twitch and try to recreate that in this server. Ive spoken to everyone who did the robbery, we are all sad and dissapointed. We all play the game for FUN. I feel like people forget its a game and a balance with real life. It is not real life. Its supposed ot be a fun hybrid. Please take a look at how you treat crime. We are people who enjoy RP too. The /me and /do isnt fun, although maybe necessary. The shouting to cops to get a negotiator or the hostage dies is fun. The police officer on the other side negotiating is having fun. The officers didnt even get a fun car chase. I am just sad. Feel free to watch and tell me your thoughts. It will be SD quality for an hour or something until its processed. This is the last time I will reply to this thread becuase no one is willing to budge either way, you either agree with what happened or you dont. First of all, we dont really give a fuck anymore and have moved to a FiveM server focusing more on RP, so I dont have any interest in debating much longer but the stubborn side of me feels like a few things need clarified. Very few of you have understood the crux of this post. We UNDERSTAND we lost and the reasons why that happened, stop mentioning it - I dont think anyone here is really that stupid that needs to be told again. "You gave up leverage", "You let the hostage go" ; yeah no shit sherlock. What fun would having a stalemate be for either side? What fun is making unreasonable demands? Our intentions were to HAVE FUN, not just for us but, everyone involved. If anyone said they had fun from an RP standpoint in that , they are lying or have a low threshold for fun. The RP was shit, it didnt exist. Simply watch the video it is there in black and white. If you disagree, go watch a Nopixel bank robbery. "You cant compare Eclipse to Nopixel" - Ehmm.. Of course you can. Its an RP server for the game of GTA V, its literally a like for like comparison. Any argument otherwise is probably moot and being pedantic. Why am I choosing that for comparison - it is fun and entertaining for all parties involved and thats what all servers should strive to be. There is a reason it is so succesful and its not hard to understand why. I am not talking about the massive streamers, even way prior to the hype (im talking 2+ years ago) the server was the best in the buissness when it came to content and entertainment. My advise to whoever has the power for change is to take a close look at that server and what it does right and try to replicate that. Its about people having fun and they have cracked it. The people there CARE about the story of their characters and its developtment, unlike here and thats the difference. The police broke several rules during the robbery also (i will not list them all) , they didnt value the hostages life as much as their own (they are supposed to) which is evident from not complying to demands PRIOR to the release of the hostage. They couldnt predict the outcome and upon us hitting the spikes we would realise this and could have killed him. They opened fire with civilians onlooking. There was no imediate threat to life. Nevermind the officers ruinning up to 4 armed robbers- suicide mission if it was IRL; which is where a key flaw with the servers is highlighted. Where is the line between realism and gaming because to the commuity and even the staff it is a very blurred line, at least from my perspective as a player. There is cherry picking everywhere to whats not allowed and what flys under the radar. Do X and youre reported for non-realistic RP, Report someone for Y and its "it is a game and not supopsed to be real life"; even when X and Y are extremely close in nature. I understand that its really difficulty to articulately put a distinction out there, giving the size of the player base and I dont know what I would do to fix it if I were in your shoes but, the line needs to be clearer or people are going to get upset when they are told they broke a rule when they thought they did not and vice versa. Furthermore, the "Save PoV" meta is TOXIC as fuck. The constant reporting... The constant arguments and fall-outs. This is a very big issue with the server. Yet again, its a large server and its hard to manage I understand that but from my perspective as a player ( I think I speak on behalf of most of them ) it is really really not fun. It is inhibiting RP and making people think twice before doing something that would be hilarious or adrenaline inducing. Even with this post, several people have commented that I should make a report if I am not happy? I dont want someone to be banned or waste the moderators time? The answer is not to make a report every time something bad happens, that will not change what happened. There needs to be a pro-active approach not a reactive one. It just the way the server is now. I havent came across many who care about the RP and making a good story or adventure. All anyone cares about are themselves and securing/promoting their characters assets. I know that isnt everyone but its most. Anyone who doesnt fit the description probably wont last long in the server when their Rp needs arent being met. Its criminals v cops and they both couldnt care less about each other. Its too serious, which is why we have moved city unfortunetely. Actually now I think about it, every single person I played with about 2 months ago has left also and I am not being dramatic, literally about 15 people. I go online and check the user list and I know about 7 people when I used to know about 80.The 7 people I do know all have very high Exp and probably suffer from sunk cost fallacy. The server clearly must have a high turnover rate and its obvious why. I would ramble on forever if I thought it would make any real change. 1) Theres too much OOC. It should be almost banned to maintain immerson. Everyone keeps saying its a serious RP server- if thats in relation to real life then defo, if in relation to serious RP then defo not and its the latter that is important ! 2) Theres a toxic save PoV/reporting meta. 3) The 'cops v robbers' mentality. Guys, you are all humans and all in there to have fun. Be nice to each other and have FUN interactions. Also, anyone who is an officer who says that they are all nice and want to have good RP is bias. Probably close to half of my interactions with the officers have been unfriendly (almost hostile) in nature and not fun , whether I am acting as a criminal or not. Actually, I watched a video the other day made by the golbins possibly on youtuve that highlighted the issue well (also some admin bias/corruption possibly) when talking about crime v cop relationship. Go youtube it its easy to find. If you put the people behind the characters in a room or a discord , from each side, they would not be friends or get along. Theres a hostile mentality which needs to be fixed. 4) I would say there is too much second voice. it ruins immersion. These points are BROAD ones, I know not everythign applies to everyone okay but it applies to far more of the community than it should. Peace out Edit: Spawning in the lambo for the extremely unlikely chase that would never happen becuase we stood no chance of making it 100metres anyway highlights the WE MUST BEAT THEM mentality that exists OOC.
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