A Civilian Content Update

[kenichis]

Hello everyone. I want to highlight a few problems that exist currently with Civilian Roleplay. Practically now theres not much to do as a civilian. Being one you usually work at one of the following jobs, LSC, Bayview, DCC, or Weazel News. Some players might not be in a faction job at all. Besides doing those jobs (which get pretty tedious after a while) theres not much content provided for us. Because of this, alot of Civilian players tend to either go into Law Enforcement, or become a criminal. There are too many examples to list of DCC, LSC or other long time employees leaving the faction to either become Law Enforcement or go criminal. The problems faced with Civilian Roleplay is basically:

1. Limited scripted content. Its either a faction job or nothing, other than that its mining which doesn’t really have any RP involved or fishing.

2. Lack of consistency. You could go to a player owned nightclub today and have a blast then it disappears forever.

3. Lack of meaningful RP situations. As a civilian the most you would find interesting is coming to a party once in a month, or a promotion at your workplace, but nothing much after that.

How I suggest to fix this:

1. Fix the Ballin Entertainment faction. At this moment it seems that the faction lacks leadership and is a wreck. The casino is fun when it opens but it was inactive for quite some time, proving the lack of consistency part. I suggest to select an actual faction leader like the server does for every server made faction and choose one with vision and leadership capabilities to make the casino work. Add more script support for a different variety of casino games instead of just the usual games. If needed even provide “government funding” should the employees lack initiative to work.

2. Add a possibly new faction or a scripted work place at Tequila-la or Bahamas mamas. These 2 places should be the go to bars/nightclubs in the server as they are providing a consistent presence instead of the ones that come and go. However the problem right now is that noone quite RPs Tequila-la like a bar and instead play poker with little to no RP involved (masks on, constant racism, etc.). I suggest either making a new faction (similar to Ballin Entertainment or even could be more along the lines of DCC and LSC where employees get paid by the hour) or making a scripted job to DJ and tend the bar. This would hopefully encourage more people to stick around and roleplay instead of simply trying to make quick money there. Even for those who want to RP Tequila as a bar, its hard to do when the bar doesn’t actually sell any drinks. I’ve tried to do this before when meeting someone and had to drive to a store first to buy drinks before coming back.

3. Add a purchasable restaurant property type (similar to what they have going on with Singletons) but instead make it more scripted. While its nice to have player run businesses as it provides more RP the downside to this is consistency. Singletons is only open for a day at a time and its not even on a set schedule as I’ve never heard of it again after the initial hype. Make this into a new property type purchasable by players similar to gas stations or convenient stores where the owner imports materials for it and customers can walk in and purchase food. In addition to this to work properly I suggest for 24/7 stores to be nerfed slightly when it comes to their food as realistically you wouldn’t purchase your everyday meals from there. This would encourage people to buy meals from restaurants that provide it at a more efficient rate at the cost of convenience. (Credit to Cyrus Raven for this one.)

The thread is open to further suggestions and feedback is appreciated, but I hope something is done for this side of the server since its starting to feel more and more like a cops and robbers server and alot of people are also starting to move to either LEO or Criminal from the Civilian side (myself included) due to lack of content.

[John Kovach]

+1 agree with you! And yes server is to much oriented on cops and robbers.

[alexalex303]

You don't need script support for any of those suggestions. The only thing the casino has over any other player run business is a custom NCZ. Everything else is done via commands available to everyone (/dice), drinks are dropped, etc. With the player rules surrounding public robberies, I'd argue that you don't even need an NCZ at large events like that.

Zetas operated the Tavern for months, without any script support. They bought drinks and foods, provided security, a schedule and people kept coming every week. They made a good amount of money too. There is a pretty large amount of properties like that available, and some are for sale every time. It just comes down to you being willing to put in the time and work into it.

I've opened the WCA club before, and I can tell you that it takes a good amount of work, which is why you see most events being run once a week, and not daily. But it can be both profitable and great RP, if you follow through with it.

 

[Qiang]

+1 is very boring to be a civilian 

[Percival]

+1 !!

separate the list of items from 24/7 store to other types of businesses!!!

Tool shop; Hammer, Hatchet, Screwdriver, drinks,

bar/club/Restaurants; Hamburgers, hotdogs, sandwich, drinks, alcohol

 

24/7; everything else, drinks

 

there are so many cool restaurant exteriors, so it would be nice to use them

 

Edited August 10, 2020 by Percival

[Cyrus Raven]

+1 Although like others have mentioned we don't ''need'' script support, this isn't like old-school SAMP servers where text roleplay is slow and in-depth for the significant majority of people. I can accept that VOIP has brought about another type of RP where voice conversations take over with the occasional /me and /do. Although I prefer the first type of RP I am also not one to hold on to dead ideas. People, specifically civilians have mentioned the need and want for more scripted work and commands to follow along with that, I understand that it's harder work for the development team, but why not start with a small test run, maybe implementing only one of the above ideas and actually see if this type of idea would encourage RP or if it would flop. As it stands the general state of RP in the server is horrendous, at least to what I was used to.

[GR_Seb]

+1

[RishabJaiswal]

Add receptionist to the bars.

Add packages for casino

Do f1 racing once or twice every week and people can go watch the race and bet. Even if possible start horse racing.

[Tucccci]

+1 this server runs 24-7 if you play during the slower hours you pretty much only have scripted options to basically RP with yourself,so we should diversify those options.

Edited August 21, 2020 by Tucccci

[RishabJaiswal]

I have made a topic after seeing this topic. I did lot of research and lot of brainstorm to make the idea as simple and flawless as possible.

Please Go through it, react, vote, comment if anything more is needed. If you really want admins to go through it and act on it.

i will come with more civilian jobs in future and write topics on them too.

Thank you!

[Kjaer]

+1

 

Hello everyone. I want to highlight a few problems that exist currently with Civilian Roleplay. Practically now theres not much to do as a civilian. Being one you usually work at one of the following jobs, LSC, Bayview, DCC, or Weazel News. Some players might not be in a faction job at all. Besides doing those jobs (which get pretty tedious after a while)

2. Add a possibly new faction or a scripted work place at Tequila-la or Bahamas mamas. These 2 places should be the go to bars/nightclubs in the server as they are providing a consistent presence instead of the ones that come and go. However the problem right now is that noone quite RPs Tequila-la like a bar and instead play poker with little to no RP involved (masks on, constant racism, etc.). I suggest either making a new faction (similar to Ballin Entertainment or even could be more along the lines of DCC and LSC where employees get paid by the hour) or making a scripted job to DJ and tend the bar. This would hopefully encourage more people to stick around and roleplay instead of simply trying to make quick money there. Even for those who want to RP Tequila as a bar, its hard to do when the bar doesn’t actually sell any drinks. I’ve tried to do this before when meeting someone and had to drive to a store first to buy drinks before coming back.

 

I'd like to see Tequi-la-la reinvented as more of the social hub that it is in Los Santos.

[Bodhi]

+1

I usually come online during the slow hours with barely even 130 people online. It is true that there is absolutely no roleplay experience as its almost empty everywhere and it would be great to have some scripted places where roleplay would be possible

[MrJangoon]

I would like to see more rp in freelance jobs, if somehow, you end up stuck in a freelance, you are basically driving around doing boring nonsense for barely any money. And a lot of people tell me "make your own rp", but to what extent can i rp with just myself? You barely have any interaction or any entertainment or rp when you do freelances.

 

[Xoza]

+1

1. Agreed on some points. Activity and consistency is important.
2. You can man Taquila-la and offer entertainment if you'd like. It's an NCZ, you can bring and sell drinks and food and 'make it a spot' as you see the need it's quite possible. Bahama Mamma may be a little harder as there are no supporting entertainment there. If anything, I believe an entertainment corporation should maintain all entertainment venues.
3. Any property can be what you want it to be but I believe 'vendors' should be a furniture item you can stock and sell items through. More complex food should be removed from stores, only available through cooking base ingredients then offered through vendors or through RP.

[kenichis]

 

Any property can be what you want it to be but I believe 'vendors' should be a furniture item you can stock and sell items through. More complex food should be removed from stores, only available through cooking base ingredients then offered through vendors or through RP.

I agree a lot with this. Opens up plenty of possibilities from vending machines to maybe even vendor objects that spawn NPCs(?)

Didn't think of this but yeah thats an excellent addition to the suggestion.

[Ak47]

+1

[HaNd]

+1 largely I think all civilians  can do is their legal job and then nothing else.

[Scales]

+1 

[branning12]

+1 

Civilian RP has become something similar to "limbo." It's a "neutral" spot for many people, work a job that requires you to do basic task either faction wise or freelance jobs and then make the move to either PD, SD, or DOC. Alternatively, work the legal job until you have made enough to start up your criminal path. 

Those that wish to base their characters RP within the "civilian world" are faced with a lackluster experience when it comes to memorable RP experiences, compared to others. 

Occasional night clubs, fishing at the pier after doing faction work or that's your only money maker. Other than just finding people to hangout with or get lucky and be on during special events, there's no constant RP for civilians. 

Of course, players can already try to establish places/events regularly but it's always hit or miss, meaning bigger events are typically scheduled for server peak time and leaves the rest of the players who are only able to play during slower times. 

We need something to do/go to conversate/RP with not only fellow civilians but just our fellow players.

[Ash]

This is a weird one for me, I mainly play a civilian character at DOC and whilst I would always favor some civilian content changes, a LOT of it comprises of what you want to make from what we currently have. 

On 8/5/2020 at 3:05 PM, kenichis said:

2. Lack of consistency. You could go to a player owned nightclub today and have a blast then it disappears forever.

This is nothing to do with scripting, some people make a player owned business and it just doesn't go well or they don't want to pursue it. I tried my hand at running a bar, and decided it wasn't for me so will be pursuing something else instead. I don't think this is an issue with script support.

Anyone could set up a casino if they wanted right now, the old one literally ran off the /dice command and went really well. I think that's one of the great appeals of civilian RP, is that it's whatever you try and make of it. I completely disagree that there's not much to do and you should not have to wait for other players to host events for you to go and have some RP. 

[Jleoni]

39 minutes ago, DrPathetic said:

This is a weird one for me, I mainly play a civilian character at DOC and whilst I would always favor some civilian content changes, a LOT of it comprises of what you want to make from what we currently have. 

This is nothing to do with scripting, some people make a player owned business and it just doesn't go well or they don't want to pursue it. I tried my hand at running a bar, and decided it wasn't for me so will be pursuing something else instead. I don't think this is an issue with script support.

Anyone could set up a casino if they wanted right now, the old one literally ran off the /dice command and went really well. I think that's one of the great appeals of civilian RP, is that it's whatever you try and make of it. I completely disagree that there's not much to do and you should not have to wait for other players to host events for you to go and have some RP. 

add poker table + other gambling furniture to the furniture store would aid greatly.

 

All of the gambling regulars will never go to /dice and the administrative headache that is compared to a scripted game, especially when betting 100k+. I'm sure there are already scripted assets the server can import for blackjack etc.

[Brayy]

+1