Treat high Speed Bikes like Super Cars

[Levi208]

''Yeah, let's keep removing everything that's worth-while having. Elegy retro's are too fast, REE!!! Remove! Bikes turn faster than cars? REE!! Remove!!''
Unbelievable. It's starting to feel like PD wants us all on faggio's while they chase us down in their overpowered cop cars.
May I point out that the last car added was almost a year ago now and at this point we're simply losing content. Just drive better as a cop.

 Giant -1 to removing any more vehicles just because PD thinks they're not balanced. Drive better, if you can't catch people perhaps there's an IC way to solve this.

If you're all dead-set on removing vehicles like this though, it might be a worthwhile idea getting a car ready for release to replace removed vehicles with to soften the blow. Even if it's a crappy one.

Edited November 28, 2019 by Levi208
clarification.

[Cutesader]

-1. Not sure how true some of these statements are . But I feel like the removal of Haku’s was not the greatest of ideas. As crims two of the main vehicles that are accessible to us that are of such high speeds are the comet and the haku. With speeds that are 220 and above . However, this isn’t to say that we have easy access to these vehicles. Both require a decent amount of money to purchase , which we all know as a crim takes longer compared to that of a legal citizen. I will agree that the comet retro may be a disadvantage , with speeds that have been proven to reach 300. I doubt this is the case with hakus. PD cars have always been able to catch hakus a majority of the time, it just depends on how skilled the driver is. Not the specifications of the vehicle. And with this new apparent ‘buff’ of PD and SD cruisers that can now supposedly reach speeds of 240 and with SD also having access to that of a haku, I don’t see any disadvantages apart from the fact that because maybe crims were able to get away if they were skilled enough, it has caused some kind of idea that this is ‘not realistic’; however if this is the point that is going to be made than I may also add that how realistic is a ‘high speed unit’ which primarily use super cars. In my opinion, if crims are going to get almost every vehicle that is decent taken away , then maybe it should be compensated in another way. Rather than providing PD with yet, another advantage by enhancing their cruiser speeds and having access to super cars .And crims , yet again, losing something which is valued within the community. 
 

Just a thought. 

Edited November 28, 2019 by Cutesader

[mexicanwave]

Don't understand why cops feel the need to be able to catch every single criminal they encounter.  Sometimes people are able to get away, deal with it.

[Yputi]

22 minutes ago, mexicanwave said:

Don't understand why cops feel the need to be able to catch every single criminal they encounter.  Sometimes people are able to get away, deal with it.

It's explained why this is done (ECRP announcement). If a vehicle is used on so many crimes, it's not that weird imo that the city stopts importing them.

Edited November 28, 2019 by Yputi

[Freclan]

44 minutes ago, Cutesader said:

 however if this is the point that is going to be made than I may also add that how realistic is a ‘high speed unit’ which primarily use super cars. In my opinion, if crims are going to get almost every vehicle that is decent taken away , then maybe it should be compensated in another way.

the high speed unit is stock, all cruisers are faster than it

[WindEZ]

Far as im concerned the situation is like this .

PD / SD dont know how to lose a fight , would people get offended by my post ? Please feel free cause you know in right team. 
Supers are limited ( some of them ) because of the past and PD interactions.
Crime is very boring on server already because of multiple things specially “ Dont fight PD to often “ Well again someone was offended cause they got blasted in what they call “traffic stop” .

If you take your time and check reports , do a quick math and see how many time crime break a rule vs pd and how often pd / sd break rules against crime .

Specially their main talent is to run people over and shoot snipers for no valid reason.

This is very sad team because :

- PD cruisers go 230-240 ( dont even try to contest this there are videos so dont lose your time)

-Weapons / Armour - People dont even bother to /me the carbines anymore

-Swat / Snipers 

-High speed unit / Drags / crown vic going 260 

 

What does crime use to have ? 
Few supers and drags .

Now tell me in what world you see a regular cruiser going faster then a elegy retro custom ( sport car ) or a jester ( sport car) Someone answered me “ they go fast because handling is bad”

Very good point actually .
Now taking away the drags being another PD suggestion and ignoring our own ones like making crime fun because you cant fight cops to often ( non rp ) You cant have a war with someone cause they take it oocly on forum  LOL

Reduce the price of the body Armour ( crime are rich af dont do it ) 

Weapons are already a waste of money for crime because the other side does not give a crap about their weapons.

I can lose 30-50 K in a fight but when i loot a cop i find a pistol i cant loot the heavy because i cant , that sounds fair also  

But at the end of the day PD are not OP at all ,

Thank you and feel free to get mad team kisses

Edited November 28, 2019 by DimaDan

[alexalex303]

1 hour ago, Freclan said:

the high speed unit is stock, all cruisers are faster than it

That is false. Please stop spreading misinformation.

The LSPD super cars are performing as normal super cars. The issue is that the cruisers are extremely sped up artificially.

Drive @XposeD's T20, it will be just as fast as the LSPD T20, it's just not a top speed car. 

The 811 is still faster than the cruisers, for now, until they get buffed again.

But this circular logic is very concerning. The LSPD cruisers are artificially made to go faster, and then you want the LSPD supers to go faster. How about we make the LSPD cruisers slower, as they're supposed to be, and give the high speed units a purpose?

Edited November 28, 2019 by alexalex303

[Freclan]

9 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

That is false. Please stop spreading misinformation.

Except it's not, I've overtaken the HSIU in a pursuit on the highway in a crown vic.

[Bala]

33 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

That is false. Please stop spreading misinformation.

The LSPD super cars are performing as normal super cars. The issue is that the cruisers are extremely sped up artificially.

Drive @XposeD's T20, it will be just as fast as the LSPD T20, it's just not a top speed car. 

The 811 is still faster than the cruisers, for now, until they get buffed again.

But this circular logic is very concerning. The LSPD cruisers are artificially made to go faster, and then you want the LSPD supers to go faster. How about we make the LSPD cruisers slower, as they're supposed to be, and give the high speed units a purpose?

T20 tops out at 200, in pursuits, the cruisers go past it after 10 seconds.

I've drove a stock Massacro and a fully modded Massacro, there's significant different in everything. Don't see why the T20 would be any different when it comes to mods.

The 811 and the Zentorno like the T20 are unmodded, stock versions of those vehicles.

For the record, we did not ask for the LSPD cruisers to get buffed. A certain developer was playing SD and remarked how slow their vehicles got and it got a buff as a direct reason, we benefited by proxy. Neither SD or PD asked for it.

How about we keep the cruisers the way they are and make high speed units, high speed again so they can travel the same speeds as some of the other fully modded super vehicles that people use in their criminal activities?

Police Departments in real life have cruisers that travel competitive speeds with most vehicles on the streets, in the case of the high performance vehicles, they have specialist units for dealing with those kind of pursuits. Then again in real life, we don't have gang-bangers driving super vehicles so i'm not sure we can use real-life as a reference. 

[alexalex303]

3 minutes ago, GOAT said:

T20 tops out at 200, in pursuits, the cruisers go past it after 10 seconds.

I've drove a stock Massacro and a fully modded Massacro, there's significant different in everything. Don't see why the T20 would be any different when it comes to mods.

The 811 and the Zentorno like the T20 are unmodded, stock versions of those vehicles.

For the record, we did not ask for the LSPD cruisers to get buffed. A certain developer was playing SD and remarked how slow their vehicles got and it got a buff as a direct reason, we benefited by proxy. Neither SD or PD asked for it.

How about we keep the cruisers the way they are and make high speed units, high speed again so they can travel the same speeds as some of the other fully modded super vehicles that people use in their criminal activities?

Police Departments in real life have cruisers that travel competitive speeds with most vehicles on the streets, in the case of the high performance vehicles, they have specialist units for dealing with those kind of pursuits. Then again in real life, we don't have gang-bangers driving super vehicles so i'm not sure we can use real-life as a reference. 

The fully modded T20 also tops out at 200. Your supers are not slower than normal supers.

It only seems that way because of how insanely fast your cruisers are.

[Actualbears]

44 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

That is false. Please stop spreading misinformation.

The LSPD super cars are performing as normal super cars. The issue is that the cruisers are extremely sped up artificially.

Drive @XposeD's T20, it will be just as fast as the LSPD T20, it's just not a top speed car. 

The 811 is still faster than the cruisers, for now, until they get buffed again.

But this circular logic is very concerning. The LSPD cruisers are artificially made to go faster, and then you want the LSPD supers to go faster. How about we make the LSPD cruisers slower, as they're supposed to be, and give the high speed units a purpose?

You seem like you don't get to know LEO factions as much as people should. So I'm gonna have to ask you from spreading false info. 

In the sheriff department, Our 'high speed motorcycle units' are the base stock models. Our BF400 is quickly outted and out done by a modded one. We had a hostage situation involving the suspect being given a player owned BF400 and leaving out own in the dust. 

One of the main purposes of the high speed vehicles is meant for the turns in the city and keeping visual of a suspect. Our crown vics will quickly be tossed aside like hot garbage when taking hot turns through closed areas of the city, sharp u-turns and generally taking dangerous routes of travel that most suspects like to take their own expensive cars through. 

Also, Our crown vics were only buffed after we spent nearly a MONTH during the start of the sheriff department documenting pursuits and us getting smoked by things such as a gargoyle being abused, modded common vehicles such as a buffalo and your generic haku drag that flies up a mountain the minute a suspect fears he's gonna get a traffic ticket. 

 

Walk a mile in our shoe, see how it is.

[SamuelGunn]

5 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

The fully modded T20 also tops out at 200. Your supers are not slower than normal supers.

It only seems that way because of how insanely fast your cruisers are.

I'm not going to spoil things how to evade police really easy, but people dont understand that and I'm not going to give them ooc explanations to how they should evade police IC, but it's really simple and people just can't seem to get that.

And I wouldn't even say cruisers are that quick, problem is that people on this server can buy really quick car in one week of grinding so all the people driving cars that's are extremely fast and obviously that would happen in real life if people evade with fast cars goverment will fund cruisers to make them quicker as well...

Edited November 28, 2019 by SamuelGunn

[alexalex303]

10 minutes ago, Actualbears said:

You seem like you don't get to know LEO factions as much as people should. So I'm gonna have to ask you from spreading false info. 

In the sheriff department, Our 'high speed motorcycle units' are the base stock models. Our BF400 is quickly outted and out done by a modded one. We had a hostage situation involving the suspect being given a player owned BF400 and leaving out own in the dust. 

One of the main purposes of the high speed vehicles is meant for the turns in the city and keeping visual of a suspect. Our crown vics will quickly be tossed aside like hot garbage when taking hot turns through closed areas of the city, sharp u-turns and generally taking dangerous routes of travel that most suspects like to take their own expensive cars through. 

Also, Our crown vics were only buffed after we spent nearly a MONTH during the start of the sheriff department documenting pursuits and us getting smoked by things such as a gargoyle being abused, modded common vehicles such as a buffalo and your generic haku drag that flies up a mountain the minute a suspect fears he's gonna get a traffic ticket. 

 

Walk a mile in our shoe, see how it is.

The original claim was about LSPD supercars, which I've driven extensively during my 8 month stay in the LSPD.

If you want to talk about SD vehicles, and specifically SD bikes, I'll admit that I'm not sure how those work, but it's not what I addressed.

Since you said that I'm spreading false information, please tell me exactly what I said that was false.

Edited November 28, 2019 by alexalex303

[WindEZ]

59 minutes ago, Actualbears said:

You seem like you don't get to know LEO factions as much as people should. So I'm gonna have to ask you from spreading false info. 

In the sheriff department, Our 'high speed motorcycle units' are the base stock models. Our BF400 is quickly outted and out done by a modded one. We had a hostage situation involving the suspect being given a player owned BF400 and leaving out own in the dust. 

One of the main purposes of the high speed vehicles is meant for the turns in the city and keeping visual of a suspect. Our crown vics will quickly be tossed aside like hot garbage when taking hot turns through closed areas of the city, sharp u-turns and generally taking dangerous routes of travel that most suspects like to take their own expensive cars through. 

Also, Our crown vics were only buffed after we spent nearly a MONTH during the start of the sheriff department documenting pursuits and us getting smoked by things such as a gargoyle being abused, modded common vehicles such as a buffalo and your generic haku drag that flies up a mountain the minute a suspect fears he's gonna get a traffic ticket. 

 

Walk a mile in our shoe, see how it is.

For real you legit say ''Walk a mike in our shoe , see how it is '' ?

I would like to try to have free weapons , armour , top speed 240 cars with bad handling . Now you want to go to the other side and waste 40-50k for a fight and then wait for your next salary ? 

And most of all when i get beat up enough i just complain to the higher up and they would complain to the crime higher up to leave us alone that is GOLDEN.

Is very hard for my slow mind to understand how the people above me that are playing a PD / SD character THINK that law enforcement is NOT OP . If someone agrees to make a 1 on 1 with me cause maybe im dumb and i dont understand HOW crime still has an advantage upon you guys . 

Like i say to my every reply , feel free to get offended cause you should . LOVE

 

Edited November 28, 2019 by DimaDan

[SamuelGunn]

2 minutes ago, DimaDan said:

For real you legit say ''Walk a mike in our shoe , see how it is '' ?

I would like to try to have free weapons , armour , top speed 240 cars with bad handling . Now you want to go to the other side and waste 40-50k for a fight and then wait for your next salary ? 

And most of all when i get beat up enough i just complain to the higher up and they would complain to the crime higher up to leave us alone that is GOLDEN.

Bruh this people 

Once again said in many threads, people dont understand both sides we're here to fun we don't need to walk in each other shoes WE'RE HERE to have FUN, but there is no fun in this server, police litteraly just drives around and attempts to punish people. When I was working in pd one guy was evading and was kinda fun and so on, I gave him evading and public, but then other officers got salty since he was shooting at us and so on. This is just a game for fuck sake, no-one apart creators makes money on this server you supposed to have fun here, I still hope that server mentality will change and everyone will come here to have fun but I guess this hasn't happened for 2 years i'm playing here and it won't i think it even got more bad than it was.

[WindEZ]

1 minute ago, SamuelGunn said:

Once again said in many threads, people dont understand both sides we're here to fun we don't need to walk in each other shoes WE'RE HERE to have FUN, but there is no fun in this server, police litteraly just drives around and attempts to punish people. When I was working in pd one guy was evading and was kinda fun and so on, I gave him evading and public, but then other officers got salty since he was shooting at us and so on. This is just a game for fuck sake, no-one apart creators makes money on this server you supposed to have fun here, I still hope that server mentality will change and everyone will come here to have fun but I guess this hasn't happened for 2 years i'm playing here and it won't i think it even got more bad than it was.

Thank you team for agreeing with me on the OOC hate part .

Appreciate your honesty you are a great individual .

[Cyrus Raven]

1 hour ago, alexalex303 said:

The fully modded T20 also tops out at 200. Your supers are not slower than normal supers.

It only seems that way because of how insanely fast your cruisers are.

Maybe that is the case for T20. However, SD HSIU are default. 

[Msato]

11 minutes ago, GWXCORE said:

Walk a mile in your shoes? I think I will. Oh wait. PD won't recruit alts of high command of illegal factions. I'd have to give up my main in order to "walk a mile in your shoes"

This must be a new policy? 

Myself and two other high command members from Triads were in both PD & Triads for almost 3 months, before we resigned. 

Let's not turn this into a he said she said battle and get back to the main topic. 

[aXoL]

I got the solution boys. Let's remove the criminals so we don't even have to follow them anymore. Let's give PD airplanes too because they are founded by government. Ohh criminals shouldn't loot us because we are not loot boxes. But let's shoot them when they have a hostage because we are well trained units who can hit an apple seed from 300 meters.what is a better target than a guy with a hostage to improve our skills? Armor???? No way buddy. You guys just import aks, it's too unrealistic to have you armored. Drags hit 207km/h?????!!??!?! Oh my gawd our normal cruisers can only go 230 we have to wait a couple more seconds to catch them. Let's remove it then. Criminals would be rich AF if we increase the drug prices. Let's just make them farm and mine so we don't need to be worried about losing our free carbines. I found the solution boys. Like if you are with me

Edited December 1, 2019 by aXoL

[Kris]

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