Police Department Abusing Helicopters

[Ronnie Barr]

In the past 24 hours I've had a police helicopter called on me.

1) Evading the police after a shoot out (I understand, this should be allowed)

2) Being pulled for a speeding ticket (never evaded, police helicopter came, literally speeding 40 above in city, never ran, only got a fine)

3) Being pulled for a speeding ticket again (never evaded, police heli came & police sports car, about 30 over in the city, never ran, only got a fine)

4) Solo unarmed ATM robbery (grey area, they already had a super car out, but for it being unarmed and a LOT of units, no hostages, just me, I don't think it was reasonable)

 

I believe the helicopter gets used way to much, when have you ever saw some one IRL have a heli pulled on them for going 30 above the speed limit? Clearly never happens..

On top of this I believe fuel on the heli is broken, they never run out of fuel and have x3 or maybe even x4 as much as a normal car. 

It's impossible to get away from... 

 

I'm not saying it should be removed or anything, it should 100% be used, I just think it's over used which is very annoying even when I know I have done something simple such as speeding..

 

 

[astrx]

Abuse? Definitely not, 'abuse' is the wrong word of choice here. Could LEO factions use the helicopter less? Yes. The arguing fact here is that crims have access to overpowered vehicles and especially with the recent release of the Niobe and the GTO again, it's impossible to even keep up with these vehicles, so AIR-1 is necessary for the majority of situations.

[SquirtleSquad]

Law Enforcement's Air Support Division is all regulated through internal policy, and their current use has not been over the top during the times I play. However, it is also not uncommon to see helicopters in the city the game is based off of. That said, this is more of an IC policy than it is a server based rule suggestion.

[Ronnie Barr]

5 minutes ago, Astrx said:

Abuse? Definitely not, 'abuse' is the wrong word of choice here. Could LEO factions use the helicopter less? Yes. The arguing fact here is that crims have access to overpowered vehicles and especially with the recent release of the Niobe and the GTO again, it's impossible to even keep up with these vehicles, so AIR-1 is necessary for the majority of situations.

Yeah abuse is a strong word, I take that back. I don't think it's intentional. I understand the OP cars but police also has such vehicles  

[IAmTurtle]

Not really. Join PD/SD and see how hard it is to join one of the air support divisions and how few people are actually allowed to deploy them. Secondly even fewer people have access to high speed that can catch up with the new cars. 

 

This really seems like a post cry after being caught. It is not that hard to loose air if your smart. Ask the countless crims who do it daily. I know @Chrisy has lost me quite a few times while i have been flying just bc he is goateed.

[Ronnie Barr]

10 minutes ago, IAmTurtle said:

Not really. Join PD/SD and see how hard it is to join one of the air support divisions and how few people are actually allowed to deploy them. Secondly even fewer people have access to high speed that can catch up with the new cars. 

 

This really seems like a post cry after being caught. It is not that hard to loose air if your smart. Ask the countless crims who do it daily. I know @Chrisy has lost me quite a few times while i have been flying just bc he is goateed.

No I'm not saying it's easy to join etc, I respect it if anything! But I'm just saying a heli put on me for a speeding ticket.. twice.. something is wrong.. Idc about being caught, it's my own fault. Please don't take it the wrong way

[Ronnie Barr]

19 minutes ago, SquirtleSquad said:

Law Enforcement's Air Support Division is all regulated through internal policy, and their current use has not been over the top during the times I play. However, it is also not uncommon to see helicopters in the city the game is based off of. That said, this is more of an IC policy than it is a server based rule suggestion.

Arh I understand, thank you

[Eliza]

AIR-1 is really easy to juke if you know how to do it

[Ronnie Barr]

7 hours ago, DontSniffSugar said:

AIR-1 is really easy to juke if you know how to do it

I'm not saying it's hard/easy - I'm just saying its over used

[DaddyShrood]

1 hour ago, Ronnie Barr said:

I'm not saying it's hard/easy - I'm just saying its over used

It's not really over used though. It has heavy IC restrictions surrounding its use, it's not as if there's 10 of them flying around concurrently.

[Demonmit1]

The use of it for any situation isnt really the problem, the scripted parts of it are though. its quite common for Air-1 to be outside of render distance for people evading, to the point they cant hear or know they're being followed by a helicopter, and then act accordingly. You can make sure to evade all ground units, but if Air-1 keeps far enough away they'll never reveal that you're still being directly watched and chased. the audio and render distance needs to be increased for the helicopters. the aim-bot lock-on camera tracking is a whole other issue too, but thats already been talked about quite a bit and LEO isnt willing to take a nerf.

[lupicek]

17 minutes ago, Demonmit1 said:

The use of it for any situation isnt really the problem, the scripted parts of it are though. its quite common for Air-1 to be outside of render distance for people evading, to the point they cant hear or know they're being followed by a helicopter, and then act accordingly. You can make sure to evade all ground units, but if Air-1 keeps far enough away they'll never reveal that you're still being directly watched and chased. the audio and render distance needs to be increased for the helicopters. the aim-bot lock-on camera tracking is a whole other issue too, but thats already been talked about quite a bit and LEO isnt willing to take a nerf.

Great point about the render distance... It happend to me few times, that after evading I went to my apparment to park the car not even knowing Iam still being watched by AIR-1 cause of the rendering... aoub the lock-on camera... as you said its overpowered by me and from my perspective it takes away all the skill needed to keep with the car that is evading since your camera is locked on target the whole time and you just fly in the straight line

[ArcAngel]

Hallo! 

I don't normally comment on posts of this nature but as someone who is in AIR-1 (The helicopter), a lot, I wanted to clear up some misconceptions or provide information that may not be known.

"the aim-bot lock-on camera tracking is a whole other issue too" - This is the first thing I wanted to mention. This is only available if the pilot of the helicopter has a co-pilot firstly, which 9 times of 10, people fly solo (I do). The second thing I wanted to mention is, the lock-on (Via helicam) has massively been adjusted and it's now almost impossible to lock onto bikes especially, but also, if a vehicle passes underneath so much as a lamp-post or tree, the lock breaks, for this reason, I don't even use it. For me personally, the only two cool things about the helicam is the light and it's view for cinematic purposes. So please understand, the Helicam was massively adjusted after it was initially released and the "Lock-on" feature is now seldom used.
 

"I understand the OP cars but police also has such vehicles" - Simply put, we don't. I won't mention which cars we have, because it's IC information, but I really have to stress that we not only have IC protocols in place regarding high speed vehicles, but also, since the Niobi/Itali release, do not have matched vehicles.

"render distance" - Typically, anything under 1500ft, the helicopter is easy to hear. Again there are IC regulations regarding helicopter height that the air support division is restrained by. Meaning there are IC repercussions potentially for flying any lower than certain altitudes. However, think about yourself in a car, with the windows up, or even with the windows down travelling at highspeed, how well are you going to hear? Would you hear a plane above 1500ft? No, you wouldnt.



My final thought however, about helicopters attending "Just a speeding ticket" or "Just a plain traffic stop" - Again, there are IC protocols regarding how many units should be responding or attending a traffic stop, to stop it from being unrealistic, to keep it fair etc. Given the current climate of vehicles (Especially with the release of Niobi and Itali), if you are in one of the 'Meta' vehicles that are difficult to be matched, you may find response proportionate to the vehicle you are driving and like others have mentioned, there are a few ways you can hide/avoid AIR.

 

[Demonmit1]

10 minutes ago, ArcAngel said:

"render distance" - Typically, anything under 1500ft, the helicopter is easy to hear. Again there are IC regulations regarding helicopter height that the air support division is restrained by. Meaning there are IC repercussions potentially for flying any lower than certain altitudes. However, think about yourself in a car, with the windows up, or even with the windows down travelling at highspeed, how well are you going to hear? Would you hear a plane above 1500ft? No, you wouldnt.

if you can see me, i should have the chance to see you. thats just basic game balance. if I cant see you cause you're outside of render distance for me due to the vehicle im using, but you're able to see me, thats a broken system and should be fixed. 

the argument about whats realistic or not generally isnt a great argument, but yes, helicopters and prop planes are very loud, and are easily hearable upwards of 4000-6000ft IRL.

 

33 minutes ago, ArcAngel said:

Simply put, we don't.

TBH Niobe is kinda nuts, and its actually quite exciting that some crims now have a small advantage over LEO, will be interesting to see how that plays out in the future. LEO will need to come up with new strategies to outsmart a Niobe driver with numbers and organization, rather than just outclass 95% of the vehicles available for purchase. Its a supercar that was available for 3 days for 250 euro. they're not going to be extremely common for LEO to deal with.

[Thang]

11 minutes ago, Demonmit1 said:

if I cant see you cause you're outside of render distance for me due to the vehicle im using, but you're able to see me, thats a broken system and should be fixed. 

Maybe bring this up with SAAA as their current IC regulations are nuts and they require police helicopters to fly incredibly high.

[HobGoblin]

32 minutes ago, Demonmit1 said:

if you can see me, i should have the chance to see you. thats just basic game balance. if I cant see you cause you're outside of render distance for me due to the vehicle im using, but you're able to see me, thats a broken system and should be fixed. 

This was tested and people on the ground are able to see the helicopter at all times. Its just hard to see as the further away the smaller the helicopter is. But that works both ways. 

[lupicek]

19 minutes ago, HobGoblin said:

This was tested and people on the ground are able to see the helicopter at all times. Its just hard to see as the further away the smaller the helicopter is. But that works both ways. 

It might as well be the position of helicopter.. if AIR-1 is directly above you, you cant see it from your POV, since u cant turn your camera straight in that direction.

[Ronnie Barr]

3 hours ago, DaddyShrood said:

It's not really over used though. It has heavy IC restrictions surrounding its use, it's not as if there's 10 of them flying around concurrently.

But I've had two today for speeding tickets alone.. no evading.. nothing

[Jett_J]

Actual skill issue if you think it's impossible to get away from. The LAPD and LASD do have helicopter patrols so it is realistic.

[Quietthecutie]

I somewhat thought it was overused too, but since i got an LEO char, i realised this isnt the case at all.

The truth is very few officers even want to fly the Heli. and there are *heavy* restrictions on when you can get one airborne. that being said, once it is up, it will generally do some sweeps/check in on other situations after theirs is concluded before landing again. once again this is true to real life and because of the restrictions, worth doing instead of just instantly heading back to base.

Ultimately everyone has their own perspective when it comes to these kind of things. and our brains are hotwired to remember the times where we get shafted and not all the times we dont. yeah, if i was soloing an ATM, and a helicopter started hovering above me, id be pretty pissed off and think it over the top. but thats mostly just negativity bias over all the times ive boosted an ATM and no cop showed up. 

In the moment, Ill feel pissed. but once ive calmed down, ill just realise I was unlucky that time or its just not my day.

Edited August 11, 2024 by Quietthecutie

[tangy]

It is out for a LOT of situations yes, but in my personal experience I feel as if flying the heli and chasing someone is infinitely harder than evading from one, especially in the city. There is so many things you can do to lose the heli as long as you have no ground units. With the release of cars like the Niobe I feel as if it would be really unbalanced if they couldn't have the heli out as much, yes not everyone has the Niobe but something has to be there in order to "counter" it so to speak. I do believe that maybe it could be called to less traffic stops depending on the persons IC history but other than that I think its used in the right ways

Edited August 13, 2024 by tangy

[Saint_]

Overall Helis isn't that overpowered, Sure at the start of the new update the camera was a bit busted but I think it's fixed now. At the end of the day it's just another mechanic of the server that if you play criminal roleplay enough, you will learn to avoid them through various methods. The same goes with high-speed and specialized units, Although sometimes they are deployed for cars they shouldn't be, You can still get away from them. 

 

The single only issue I've ever had with Helis is them shooting full autos out of the side of them like its an Afghan warzone, other than that, there are no real issues with them.

[Homast]

4 hours ago, Saint_ said:

The single only issue I've ever had with Helis is them shooting full autos out of the side of them like its an Afghan warzone, other than that, there are no real issues with them.

That only happens when Gangs turn the streets into miniature versions of Kabul first!

[Demonmit1]

13 minutes ago, Homast said:

That only happens when Gangs turn the streets into miniature versions of Kabul first!

or you steal a submarine and start getting grenades thrown at you as you run away...

[Homast]

13 minutes ago, Demonmit1 said:

or you steal a submarine and start getting grenades thrown at you as you run away...

We don't talk about that one. That wasn't PD/SD