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I've only been back for a few days but it I've very clear to see that I'm soms regards RP is reaching a very new low. 

Please faction leaders of criminals and legal stop allowing you guys to randomly log off wherever they want. It's very low RP and it's taking the piss.

Outside bank, outside zeta store, outside PD, LSC car park, behind the bank.

 

Go home FFS, get in your car and drive home. If you do not have a home then RP something else. It is very very poo to allow police officer s to log off right outside the police station. 

 

So I my suggestipn is new policy and way of thinking from faction heads and leaders which asks all players to stop logging off in and around there jobs. 

 

Again, this is very very low RP however it seems to be the culture of the server. Only faction heads and leaders can change this as they have influence over their members. 

 

People don't just dissapers, sort it out people it's getting a bit of a joke now for what is meant to be the most hardcore server around. 

 

Edit: this was aimed and directed at gang leaders, legal faction leaders and other in authoritive positions, as a way to directly change the culture of the server, whilst negating the need for a rule or direct policy which is able of monitoring such actions. Leaders lead, it's that simple. 

By directing this culture change at said people, this provides argument against several points mentioned by others responses.  

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Main argument against "hold the right to log off in a timely fashion due to IRL" 

Please keep in mind that this is a game. Please refrain from making this your counter argument as IRL always comes first,anyone who knows me will say The Rebels understand that well. I ask that you think about the RP change without IRL very obviously taking priority over any video game. 

Second argument against

"Prioritizing time"

This is in no way a counter argument to setting new trends to improve RP. Just go off duty 10 minutes early, leave work 10 minutes early or anything. This is YOUR RP experiance and imo, treating your work like work and home like home should improve everyones RP.

 

 

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As much as I understand it bothering to see things like that, you just have to learn to ignore it. With the server population being where it is, you cannot realistically expect to monitor/patrol the location of where people log in/log off. To have this suggestion even directed mainly towards factions and their heads is very narrow minded considering that this happens more often with the normal playerbase. Also, take into account that people may be on duty, have an IRL emergency come up, and have to quickly log off. Walking to your car, driving home, and parking it, can lead to you then being involved in RP that may take time that you realistically do not have. Finally, the same things happen when staff flip on a-duty and teleport elsewhere to deal with an urgent situation.

So overall -1... just bite the bullet, ignore it, and keep on roleplaying.

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Ok so say like a week ago I had to log off right outside LSC as I had gotten a phone call from my sons school that he had fallen and dislocated his arm. But you know. the important thing is ensuring that I drive the 15 minutes to my house at the speed limit, because RP, and only then rush to my sons school and take him to the hospital. My apologies for ruining your immersion.

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-1. Logging off wherever is convenient when you dont dedicate your entire life to ECRP. Some people wana get a couple of minutes interaction here and there before going to school, work, or whatever else. i see where you are coming from OP however in any situation: IRL>ECRP. I will not prioritise spending 5-15mins driving back to my house to park so that the people at bank, bayview, whatever dont have to see "Player 44 disconnected". This is a thing you should learn to ignore. there are far more "poor rp" things that should be prioritised over not driving home to log off. 

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I understand where your coming from but this is flat out just asking way to much. I dont see this NONRP either, someone has to log off they have to log off. No RP needed. Especially the PD? Why should Officers be able to log out at the PD? A lot of PD stations in the US actually hold housing for some officers.

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Sorry a but strong -1 for me, I roleplay in a legal faction, MD to be exact and as always I roleplay being on call. This just means that my character personally is usually idle in one of the rooms or asleep under the table or even within the proximity of the Hospital. I also roleplay doing paperwork off-duty so if I see or hear someone speaking to me I roleplay with them. As per usual if I cannot entertain them for their roleplay I say so saying, "Sorry Sir/Miss, I am about to fly out of town or I'm about to take a rest in the on-call room. Come back another time or I can direct you to someone who may be able to help."

Also as its been quoted in the comments before IRL > RP. If you got to go, you got to go. As long as you are not in an active roleplay or that you have at least let the other party know that you cannot entertain them at the meantime. It also depends who you are roleplaying with, I personally even when I'm about to log off if someone stops me for a quick medical rp, I roleplay it.

If you want to roleplay going home - go home and log out, but this also comes with the risk potential roleplay of getting robbed or house raided then do so just adding to the time when you should be attending a school pickup or back to IRL work. Even if you are about to log off or that you explained to the other party that you got to go. I promise you, there would endless reports of Non-RP - Logging off, because they had to go and they didn't want to RP.

Not generally pointing it on anyone but there would be cases where the "Player" lives at home and would need to do chores, help around the house, homework/schoolwork, childrearing, dinner time. In which case even if they say, "I cannot pause the game!", well they have to log off else it will be a slipper to the face.

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2 hours ago, Asiantator said:

Ok so say like a week ago I had to log off right outside LSC as I had gotten a phone call from my sons school that he had fallen and dislocated his arm. But you know. the important thing is ensuring that I drive the 15 minutes to my house at the speed limit, because RP, and only then rush to my sons school and take him to the hospital. My apologies for ruining your immersion.

Ok wow. Who ever puts games before IRL that is not what I am suggesting, I am suggesting heads of factions/groups or any collection of people should help to promote a higher standard with regards to logging off. 

 

Nodody is suggesting your ignore your IRL duties, why would you even think that's what I was suggesting. 

 

Very random mate. The fact you made this as your argument against my attempts to highten RP on the server is both annoying and just plain random bro lol

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11 minutes ago, A N G E L said:

Sorry a but strong -1 for me, I roleplay in a legal faction, MD to be exact and as always I roleplay being on call. This just means that my character personally is usually idle in one of the rooms or asleep under the table or even within the proximity of the Hospital. I also roleplay doing paperwork off-duty so if I see or hear someone speaking to me I roleplay with them. As per usual if I cannot entertain them for their roleplay I say so saying, "Sorry Sir/Miss, I am about to fly out of town or I'm about to take a rest in the on-call room. Come back another time or I can direct you to someone who may be able to help."

Also as its been quoted in the comments before IRL > RP. If you got to go, you got to go. As long as you are not in an active roleplay or that you have at least let the other party know that you cannot entertain them at the meantime. It also depends who you are roleplaying with, I personally even when I'm about to log off if someone stops me for a quick medical rp, I roleplay it.

If you want to roleplay going home - go home and log out, but this also comes with the risk potential roleplay of getting robbed or house raided then do so just adding to the time when you should be attending a school pickup or back to IRL work. Even if you are about to log off or that you explained to the other party that you got to go. I promise you, there would endless reports of Non-RP - Logging off, because they had to go and they didn't want to RP.

Not generally pointing it on anyone but there would be cases where the "Player" lives at home and would need to do chores, help around the house, homework/schoolwork, childrearing, dinner time. In which case even if they say, "I cannot pause the game!", well they have to log off else it will be a slipper to the face.

It is worrying how many people consider what I wrote an attempt to control someone real life. This is in no what what I am suggesting. 

I fear now any further attempts by myself such as this would result in the same misguided replies and arguments and it is this level of RP that will result in the RP level of eclipse following its current trajectory, whatever you believe that to be. 

Personally, I just leave 10 minutes before my game session (Obviously if IRL allows me) and I go home move away from other players. 

 

Worrying, very worrying. 

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27 minutes ago, GWXCORE said:

I make it a habit to log off in bushes and such. Or at Bayview when I was a mechanic. But given your thread, I think I'm gonna stop doing that now. I'm not going to ask anyone else to change their behaviors. But your thread has given me one more idea on how to improve my own roleplay, and I look forward to more suggestions on improving my own roleplay.

I will still be logging out in bushes when I have to take an emergency poop or whatever. And I don't think that's what @padpilot meant. He means, at least I think so, logging out every single day at parking lot or PD or whatever, is kinda nonRP. And I agree on that point. If you own a house, maybe log out there when time permits.

Yeah pretty much this. (If you have time) just out a bit more effort into your RP,allow more time for the logging off process and make sure not to vanish in the NCZ's, hotspots, parking lots etc. 

And I asked those withing positions of authority as, imo, those leaders who have great numbers under them, hold the responsibility to lift the level of RP, for all of us. 

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1 hour ago, Brixton said:

I understand where your coming from but this is flat out just asking way to much. I dont see this NONRP either, someone has to log off they have to log off. No RP needed. Especially the PD? Why should Officers be able to log out at the PD? A lot of PD stations in the US actually hold housing for some officers.

Yeah for sure. I get that. If you got to go you got to go. It's just amazing the amount of people that seem to make it to the parking garage, just as they have to go. 

Viewing several comments throughout this thread yeah I'm starting to believe the very notion of asking people to help collective set new and better RP trends on the server is asking too much.

However, I will continue to try, but you may actually be right tbf. 

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Time management and efficiency is very difficult when gaming, especially on an RP server, you have to set priorities between the two. There are days I get home, most days I don't because I'm already online longer than I wanted to be and have other things I should be tending too, instead of driving / walking home and risking the chance of getting stuck in another RP event that I wouldn't be able to escape. It really comes down to the .. "Do I need to drive home?"

While I agree with 'encouraging' players to find a legitimate place to log out, or an area that's not visible. I don't agree it should be forced. Some see the break in logging in/out as only a 'pause' in their RP.

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3 minutes ago, Xoza said:

Time management and efficiency is very difficult when gaming, especially on an RP server, you have to set priorities between the two. There are days I get home, most days I don't because I'm already online longer than I wanted to be and have other things I should be tending too, instead of driving / walking home and risking the chance of getting stuck in another RP event that I wouldn't be able to escape. It really comes down to the .. "Do I need to drive home?"

While I agree with 'encouraging' players to find a legitimate place to log out, or an area that's not visible. I don't agree it should be forced. Some see the break in logging in/out as only a 'pause' in their RP.

True, priorities must be set, having gamed for like 23 years I get what you mean.

So just prioritize the logging process more. I do many thing on the server I don't  need to do but I do a lot of things I know other people will get RP out of. I don't always drive home, sometimes I walk home, many times "new players" pull up and offer me a ride home. Imo, even that little thing, for a "new player"could be the added immersion to help the server retain more players. This is what I prioritize.

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29 minutes ago, A N G E L said:

Sorry a but strong -1 for me, I roleplay in a legal faction, MD to be exact and as always I roleplay being on call. This just means that my character personally is usually idle in one of the rooms or asleep under the table or even within the proximity of the Hospital. I also roleplay doing paperwork off-duty so if I see or hear someone speaking to me I roleplay with them. As per usual if I cannot entertain them for their roleplay I say so saying, "Sorry Sir/Miss, I am about to fly out of town or I'm about to take a rest in the on-call room. Come back another time or I can direct you to someone who may be able to help."

Also as its been quoted in the comments before IRL > RP. If you got to go, you got to go. As long as you are not in an active roleplay or that you have at least let the other party know that you cannot entertain them at the meantime. It also depends who you are roleplaying with, I personally even when I'm about to log off if someone stops me for a quick medical rp, I roleplay it.

If you want to roleplay going home - go home and log out, but this also comes with the risk potential roleplay of getting robbed or house raided then do so just adding to the time when you should be attending a school pickup or back to IRL work. Even if you are about to log off or that you explained to the other party that you got to go. I promise you, there would endless reports of Non-RP - Logging off, because they had to go and they didn't want to RP.

Not generally pointing it on anyone but there would be cases where the "Player" lives at home and would need to do chores, help around the house, homework/schoolwork, childrearing, dinner time. In which case even if they say, "I cannot pause the game!", well they have to log off else it will be a slipper to the face.

Sorry forgot to mention that not driving home for dear of being robbed is not a reason to not go home and log off .

The crime is an IC issue, ring a friend for an escort, ask if there is anyone you can walk home with. Ensure you stay within lit streets and take a safe way home. It's not a reason to be like "nah I NEVER log off at home I'm case I get robbed", I think we are discussing different things tbf 

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18 minutes ago, padpilot said:

Sorry forgot to mention that not driving home for dear of being robbed is not a reason to not go home and log off .

The crime is an IC issue, ring a friend for an escort, ask if there is anyone you can walk home with. Ensure you stay within lit streets and take a safe way home. It's not a reason to be like "nah I NEVER log off at home I'm case I get robbed", I think we are discussing different things tbf 

Lit streets? My dude. People get robbed in broad daylight in front of Mors and parking, both of which are really close to PD. 

 

What @A N G E L said is a completely valid concern, and one that i also have when i need to log off. "do i log off at bank w/ my vehicle parked here with a chance of getting it towed but i can log instantly or take 15mins to drive home with a chance that further RP happens and then at that point i CANT log off or its combat logging/nrp/Etc. and i can face admin punishments". The former being the very clear option here.

 

Lets take your example though. I'm at bank and need to go home, lets say we're in a small gang. 5 people online, closest which is in sandy shores because they're all hitting labs. Now time to call Billy Bob to escort me to my house in case anyone tries to rob me on my way there... Ok sure! 10minutes for him to come to bank, another 10 to drive to the house and log off. Now... Do i do that? or log off at bank and not care about those at bank seeing the "player X has disconnected". I don't know about you, but im most definitely picking the latter.

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No thank you. Sometimes after handling an absolute cluster fuck of a situation for the past 2+ hours both IC'ly and ooc'ly on LEO duty because some people shoot to /b faster than the speed of light and can't enjoy it when things don't go their way. I'd like to promptly go back to the department, park my cruiser and promptly log the heck off. Though if our vehicle is towed because we decided to leave it there while logged off, that's a completely different issue.  

What I don't need is your generic 'hands up dis is rob' 2 minutes away going away from the NCZ after I need to start the long 5-10+ minute drive home by your generic gang member abusing the /alias system to see my car on the opposite freeway and the 2 seconds of my name popping up.  And I don't want to risk breaking a rule, being reported and having my entire career tarnished because I was ooc'ly stressed out from having to deal with the same criminals for two hours straight because I'm not in the mood to spend another 20+ minutes in a roleplay scenario that I didn't want to partake in and just wanted to head home to park my car and log off and or get reported because they didn't quite care that I had to leave ooc'ly or that I'm sick of roleplaying for the moment. 

There's times when LEO duty gets the better of you ooc'ly and you want to log off asap after ending your shift to get a breather and process what in the hell just happened. In reality, a lot of police precincts and sheriff stations have boarding rooms just for this. 

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45 minutes ago, padpilot said:

Yeah for sure. I get that. If you got to go you got to go. It's just amazing the amount of people that seem to make it to the parking garage, just as they have to go. 

Viewing several comments throughout this thread yeah I'm starting to believe the very notion of asking people to help collective set new and better RP trends on the server is asking too much.

However, I will continue to try, but you may actually be right tbf. 

If I had a house, I would go home everyday, a lot of us would it creates roleplay. But its hard for some people to obtain houses due to the low number of them and the constantly changing real estate market.

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5 hours ago, Aldarine said:

As much as I understand it bothering to see things like that, you just have to learn to ignore it. With the server population being where it is, you cannot realistically expect to monitor/patrol the location of where people log in/log off. To have this suggestion even directed mainly towards factions and their heads is very narrow minded considering that this happens more often with the normal playerbase. Also, take into account that people may be on duty, have an IRL emergency come up, and have to quickly log off. Walking to your car, driving home, and parking it, can lead to you then being involved in RP that may take time that you realistically do not have. Finally, the same things happen when staff flip on a-duty and teleport elsewhere to deal with an urgent situation.

So overall -1... just bite the bullet, ignore it, and keep on roleplaying.

I rather agree with this sentiment. As somebody who has IRL problems that remove me from game often with a 5 minute window to secure myself, I cant imagine it being policy I have to drive all the way home every time I want to log off... RP is about doing your best to seperate meta knowledge, training our minds to see someone logging off as going home.

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3 hours ago, Actualbears said:

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No thank you. Sometimes after handling an absolute cluster fuck of a situation for the past 2+ hours both IC'ly and ooc'ly on LEO duty because some people shoot to /b faster than the speed of light and can't enjoy it when things don't go their way. I'd like to promptly go back to the department, park my cruiser and promptly log the heck off. Though if our vehicle is towed because we decided to leave it there while logged off, that's a completely different issue.  

What I don't need is your generic 'hands up dis is rob' 2 minutes away going away from the NCZ after I need to start the long 5-10+ minute drive home by your generic gang member abusing the /alias system to see my car on the opposite freeway and the 2 seconds of my name popping up.  And I don't want to risk breaking a rule, being reported and having my entire career tarnished because I was ooc'ly stressed out from having to deal with the same criminals for two hours straight because I'm not in the mood to spend another 20+ minutes in a roleplay scenario that I didn't want to partake in and just wanted to head home to park my car and log off and or get reported because they didn't quite care that I had to leave ooc'ly or that I'm sick of roleplaying for the moment. 

There's times when LEO duty gets the better of you ooc'ly and you want to log off asap after ending your shift to get a breather and process what in the hell just happened. In reality, a lot of police precincts and sheriff stations have boarding rooms just for this. 

This is a totally valid point but in no way is a counter argument to what I suggest. I don't know if you read the posts through the thread but this does not impact the suggestion. Tbf I think I may need to reword what I have said. I'll think of a different way to explain it. 

 

Cheers

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1 hour ago, Wizzidy said:

I rather agree with this sentiment. As somebody who has IRL problems that remove me from game often with a 5 minute window to secure myself, I cant imagine it being policy I have to drive all the way home every time I want to log off... RP is about doing your best to seperate meta knowledge, training our minds to see someone logging off as going home.

Yes ofc. This suggestion is not about restricting a players ability to leave the game. I'll reword my suggestion as the same argument by many posts is just saying the same thing. 

 

Cheers. 

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3 hours ago, Brixton said:

If I had a house, I would go home everyday, a lot of us would it creates roleplay. But its hard for some people to obtain houses due to the low number of them and the constantly changing real estate market.

Yeah this is a valid point. Of course not everyone has a property. For that I would recommend maybe RP a favourite spot under a bridge or somewhere which can become your temporary homes. Possibly somewhere with litter and create little stories for the trash, like "oh I remember when I got that bottle of whisky" etc etc. 

 

Thanks for the input my man. 

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6 hours ago, TheCanadian said:

-1. Logging off wherever is convenient when you dont dedicate your entire life to ECRP. Some people wana get a couple of minutes interaction here and there before going to school, work, or whatever else. i see where you are coming from OP however in any situation: IRL>ECRP. I will not prioritise spending 5-15mins driving back to my house to park so that the people at bank, bayview, whatever dont have to see "Player 44 disconnected". This is a thing you should learn to ignore. there are far more "poor rp" things that should be prioritised over not driving home to log off. 

Would just moving away from your job and overall putting more effort into logging off be sufficient. Driving home might be too much as you stated. 

Would you argue that the current places where people decide to log off are sufficient enough? 

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22 minutes ago, padpilot said:

Would just moving away from your job and overall putting more effort into logging off be sufficient. Driving home might be too much as you stated. 

Would you argue that the current places where people decide to log off are sufficient enough? 

I would not mind putting restrictions on logging in specific areas. But generally and as a hole, no thanks.

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4 hours ago, Actualbears said:

-1 

No thank you. Sometimes after handling an absolute cluster fuck of a situation for the past 2+ hours both IC'ly and ooc'ly on LEO duty because some people shoot to /b faster than the speed of light and can't enjoy it when things don't go their way. I'd like to promptly go back to the department, park my cruiser and promptly log the heck off. Though if our vehicle is towed because we decided to leave it there while logged off, that's a completely different issue.  

What I don't need is your generic 'hands up dis is rob' 2 minutes away going away from the NCZ after I need to start the long 5-10+ minute drive home by your generic gang member abusing the /alias system to see my car on the opposite freeway and the 2 seconds of my name popping up.  And I don't want to risk breaking a rule, being reported and having my entire career tarnished because I was ooc'ly stressed out from having to deal with the same criminals for two hours straight because I'm not in the mood to spend another 20+ minutes in a roleplay scenario that I didn't want to partake in and just wanted to head home to park my car and log off and or get reported because they didn't quite care that I had to leave ooc'ly or that I'm sick of roleplaying for the moment. 

There's times when LEO duty gets the better of you ooc'ly and you want to log off asap after ending your shift to get a breather and process what in the hell just happened. In reality, a lot of police precincts and sheriff stations have boarding rooms just for this. 

This man speaks the truth. If crime wouldn't be so rampant to a point where it's pretty much nonRP, I'd be fine with driving home during the day. OP said that we should get people to escort us, walk with us or stay in lit areas. Having someone walk with you would just result in them being robbed and lets face it, criminals don't care if it's a brightly lit area at night or when it's daytime, you'll get robbed anyway. Not of IC reasons or for RP, but because of the "because I can" mentality. I guess a lot of this happens because there's no feeling that the city is alive. NPC's do a good job in making the city feel alive, but they're also horrible in most cases (also not possible in rage at this time). IRL you wouldn't rob someone if there are like 100 people around you. We can't replicate this in the server, because player count is too low and no NPC's.

That being said, unless more strict rules are added to promote more quality RP and require people to have a proper IC reasons to do things, I can't agree with these suggestions.

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