Police balances

[surg3yy]

Ts crazy someone gives a valid point and than bad actors start bs bad faith arguments to cause staff to close it and stop the chance of an actually solution to the issues 

I will say after reading a lot of this it’s sad that people can’t see the irony in there sentences you got ppl like bala saying that a little nerf to pd wouldn’t be balancing it when there topics recommended only mentioned the uses of scripts and vehicles. Like making recoil fair and make since or removing a heli that goes 270 when no car goes over 240 if the argument is you lose the heli in the same than keep it balanced at 240 so the skill of the pilot wins not the script. The idea that “crims didn’t complain when they had super cars” is just cap other than than the 30 crims with those cars everyone bitched and asked for it to be changed. Straight up the same debate has been going on for 8 years now things won’t change intel the people in charge of the server change. 
 

I think the clear issue is this the people who decide how the server is ran are the same people running sd/pd but not the same people running crim. Cops always get the benefit of the doubt and gas light crims acting like it’s not true and crims keep bitching about non issues and specific people like Samuel or Jason instead of the real issues like op scripts. Server pop is down crims are bored cops are bored this mentality that’s it’s ok that another gang is gone and preaching that it will be replaced and doesn't matter is bad rhetoric and is just in bad faith. 
 

nerf pd/sd and enforce rp standards like it’s enforced with crims if 2 reports are accepted on  a gang that gang won’t get promoted and gets bitched at but pd get no push back. The issue is at the top and those who abuse this fact only do it when they realize there side is ran by the top.

hope that made since it’s to late for me no hate intended I’m just sick of this same argument and Same tactics used by people to get these suggestions taken down 

[omar]

Agreed but not like that i think it's needs to be something like they have a treasury and the government gives them monthly payment like 20mil per month and this is their resources everything they do they consume from this resources spawn a car take armor weapons eta with different amount this will make them use tactics to save resources and doesn't get 15 cars and a heli to only chase one person cause it would be waste of resources and with looking at how much each cop used resources in the month if he wasted too much it gonna be strike or warning its needs to be something like that more realistic and more rp and they feel how much the stuff is hard to get not easy as they know.

[idgafashlee]

hey guys!! as a long-term ecrp crim main i want you to know that GND is not the reason i quit eclipse over a year ago. it was jason steel specifically. have a nice day.

[vZelfeR]

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Edited September 24, 2025 by vZelfeR

[SirQubed]

If this topic continues to deviate into a spiral of calling players out or failing to stay on the original topic I will just archive it. Stop acting like children pointing the finger at everyone else. 

We are all here to have fun, we are all here to escape reality. Be mature and stay on topic 

[MrSilky]

9 hours ago, vZelfeR said:

Funny, this is the same person I was referring to in my earlier post for absolutely zero RP, who has now been made the deputy Chief of Police.. or so stated. Had to inform him I was putting in a BadRP feedback in as it’s a proximity thing and only just managed to get it in before he tried to leave the area as quickly as possible.

 

 

[Scarface]

I'll keep it short and sweet, just my own thoughts on the current system:

A lot of hard work goes into running an illegal faction, from the weekly forum posts, administration, logs, OOC meetings, announcements, yada yada yada it really does take dedication and commitment. If you have a bad month or perhaps miss a forum post, you can look forward to a scolding in the FM meetings which you then pass on to each and every member to make sure they understand too. A demotion may be on the cards as well which took you months and months of hard work to get, gone just like that (not saying that demotions aren't deserved as sometimes this is the only way to really get that message across to a faction that things cant go on how they have been). PD/SD don't know this feeling, or at least, majority wont. So my suggestion is that PD/SD and perhaps even GND, follow the tier guide too - i would personally love to see weekly stories from GND and what they have been up to. Instead when i look at PD/SD faction thread all i see is photo dumping which..... we would get a bollocking for if we did that. The balance needs to start OOCly, and with the amount of members these factions/ departments have i cant see why this would be an issue, with different people needing to contribute weekly. Perhaps they would have their own different types of benefits when they tier up they get access to certain specialised weapons or better AP or better heli - im not sure i havent thought that far, but it then puts the responsibility of providing great RP & following server rules on every member of that faction if they also had a tier system. With great power comes great responsibility

 

Note: I realise i am very much biased towards the crim community so i tend not to comment on things like this, i haven't got a cop character so i don't fully understand or even know what goes on behind the scenes, but in regards to the below quote made by @Bala

"I don't see the same sort of energy from criminal factions to ensure their members don't behave like shitheads. Whether that's dipping too much into /b, whether that is continuing to run over and over after being tased or talking shit about factions in Discord."

Please ask for perms in any illegal faction discord and you will see the amount of messages and announcements that are made to each and every individual member when a situation arises that's deemed unacceptable. Have a look at the strike logs, the comments from HC members, the faction chats addressing these situations head on, the player logs about people who have been kicked after being given so many chances to improve - we can only do so much, everyone has their own individual personality and we are not babysitters but i can promise you everyone is trying their best to behave for the sake of the amount of hours that people have put into creating and maintaining a faction OOCly, as i'm sure this is the case for PD/SD as well.

[Demonmit1]

2 hours ago, Scarface said:

PD/SD don't know this feeling, or at least, majority wont. So my suggestion is that PD/SD and perhaps even GND, follow the tier guide too - i would personally love to see weekly stories from GND and what they have been up to. Instead when i look at PD/SD faction thread all i see is photo dumping which..... we would get a bollocking for if we did that.

My perspective on this is coming from it as a command member of the information division for SD. 

Sheriffs News Room - https://gov.eclipse-rp.net/viewforum.php?f=957
Monthly newsletters written with interviews of the deputy of the month, a random faction member being spotlighted, a interview leadership of a specific divisions, occasionally adding in articles, promotion and statistics, fun question of the month section, etc etc etc. just for a newsletter done every month. then there's the individual press releases that are randomly posted. all of this RP showcase is done entirely IC by a dedicated division, both for SD and PD, with people's who's primary jobs is to run these divisions. Is there a big enough difference between doing a weekly OOC forum post vs what PD/SD do ICly with their information divisions, that would make it more fair for us to do both?
 

2 hours ago, Scarface said:

i would personally love to see weekly stories from GND and what they have been up to.

This is an interesting idea in theory, but I'd reference you back to this comment:

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criminal focused players demand transparency and realism from law enforcement factions, but when its given, immediately use that information against law enforcement in character, weaponized against us to guarantee themselves a win.

Any sort of OOC updates on what and how GND are doing things is never going to happen because of that statement. As GND, the amount of metagaming I see regularly from players is astounding. In no way, shape, or form will GND be giving OOC details on what we do. The closest you're going to get to that is IC press releases about raids.

[imran]

8 hours ago, SirQubed said:

We are all here to have fun, we are all here to escape reality. Be mature and stay on topic 

Big words, we are here for fun , not to win or grind virtual assets, but we should accept that management against players ideologie would kill the server, all criminal roleplayers are mad on how OP leo factions are, i know it might not be fair from LEO's POVs to take off their OP vehicles or perks, but they must know that they are ruinning other players experience, i can see that the servers is turning into DM servers, everyone using war vehicles, and always geared with heavy guns, i've been in many communities from SAMP / MTA / and now rage MP, and i can tell that i only remember the stories and the people i've had the opportunity to come across in those servers, not the assets, not the Ws.

i wish the management to adress these issues related to LEOs, that some parts of them using the IC perks to go against people they hate OOC'ly, again as (SirQubed) says, we are here to enjoy and escape the toxic reality we already had.

Edited September 24, 2025 by imran

[Clank]

On 9/24/2025 at 4:49 PM, imran said:

Big words, we are here for fun , not to win or grind virtual assets, but we should accept that management against players ideologie would kill the server, all criminal roleplayers are mad on how OP leo factions are, i know it might not be fair from LEO's POVs to take off their OP vehicles or perks, but they must know that they are ruinning other players experience, i can see that the servers is turning into DM servers, everyone using war vehicles, and always geared with heavy guns, i've been in many communities from SAMP / MTA / and now rage MP, and i can tell that i only remember the stories and the people i've had the opportunity to come across in those servers, not the assets, not the Ws.

i wish the management to adress these issues related to LEOs, that some parts of them using the IC perks to go against people they hate OOC'ly, again as (SirQubed) says, we are here to enjoy and escape the toxic reality we already had.

This is a genuine question, but can you explain what is OP about someone chasing you in a car that can keep up with your super fast car? How is that not the definition of fair?

[AtlasOLimbo]

26 minutes ago, Clank said:

This is a genuine question, but can you explain what is OP about someone chasing you in a car that can keep up with your super fast car? How is that not the definition of fair?

This. At least for SD's side we have very specific policies in place to try and prevent the "overuse" of equipment like high speeds or motorbikes. But should we just let you get away because you have an expensive car..?

[imran]

17 hours ago, Clank said:

This is a genuine question, but can you explain what is OP about someone chasing you in a car that can keep up with your super fast car? How is that not the definition of fair?

that's what am saying, all super cars should be removed from LEOs, they should only stay use buffalo stx/vapid scout and other normal cruisers , and remove all their other cruisers and sport bikes including the hakuchou and terminus, and if the suspect got a super car, they can use helicopters, and blocking roads so they blocks him, this is what real RP experience is on, not just pulling a super car ig suspect's vehicle can go 1MPH over their cruisers

 

non RP / Fair example 

 

[AtlasOLimbo]

3 minutes ago, imran said:

that's what am saying, all super cars should be removed from LEOs, they should only stay use buffalo stx/vapid scout and other normal cruisers , and remove all their other cruisers and sport bikes including the hakuchou and terminus, and if the suspect got a super car, they can use helicopters, and blocking roads so they blocks him, this is what real RP experience is on, not just pulling a super car ig suspect's vehicle can go 1MPH over their cruisers

 

non RP / Fair example 

 

This approach would make sense if 80% of or pursuits weren't of vehicles in the "sports or super" category. Sadly they are not. We do not have the numbers, especially late at night to perform blockades like you're talking about and have taken efforts to extend pursuits lately. I'm going to be frank, your approach is blatantly one-sided and I genuinely cannot tell if you're trolling or not.

[alexalex303]

15 minutes ago, imran said:

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I don't believe a clip from 2021 is representative of the issues faced by people in 2025. 

[HobGoblin]

25 minutes ago, imran said:

that's what am saying, all super cars should be removed from LEOs, they should only stay use buffalo stx/vapid scout and other normal cruisers , and remove all their other cruisers and sport bikes including the hakuchou and terminus, and if the suspect got a super car, they can use helicopters, and blocking roads so they blocks him, this is what real RP experience is on, not just pulling a super car ig suspect's vehicle can go 1MPH over their cruisers

So you didn't even answer the question.

[Demonmit1]

On 9/24/2025 at 8:49 PM, imran said:

Big words, we are here for fun , not to win or grind virtual assets, but we should accept that management against players ideologie would kill the server, all criminal roleplayers are mad on how OP leo factions are, i know it might not be fair from LEO's POVs to take off their OP vehicles or perks, but they must know that they are ruinning other players experience, i can see that the servers is turning into DM servers, everyone using war vehicles, and always geared with heavy guns, i've been in many communities from SAMP / MTA / and now rage MP, and i can tell that i only remember the stories and the people i've had the opportunity to come across in those servers, not the assets, not the Ws.

i wish the management to adress these issues related to LEOs, that some parts of them using the IC perks to go against people they hate OOC'ly, again as (SirQubed) says, we are here to enjoy and escape the toxic reality we already had.

Imran, I've been reading your posts, and I'm honestly just confused. I can't figure out what your actual point is, because nothing you say on the forums matches what you actually do in the game.

One minute you're here demanding that cops get cheat menus, aim assist, and rocket launchers. The next, you're crying that we shouldn't even be allowed to have a car that can break 200 km/h. It's just nonsensical trolling.

But the real kicker is your in-game record. You talk a big game about high-speed chases and supercar balance, but a quick search shows your entire criminal career is just you repeatedly getting arrested for smashing ATMs with a crowbar and then immediately surrendering. Your rap sheet is mostly just that and a bunch of speeding tickets.

And the most hypocritical part? You complain about cops being too powerful, but then you're the one calling 911 on other crims at labs when you get pushed out. You literally use us as your personal revenge service and then come here to demand we get nerfed into the ground.

So let's be real. You're not a victim of some overpowered police force. You're just not very good at being a criminal, and you're using the forums to troll and whine about it. Stop wasting everyone's time.

Edited September 26, 2025 by Demonmit1

[RustyOsprey2]

PD and SD wont deploy high-speed vehicles unless you yourself are in a high-speed vehicle.
PD and SD wont deploy a BF400 or a Kamacho unless you yourself are in an off-road vehicle.
PD and SD wont deploy AIR unless you yourself are in a high-speed vehicle or an off-road vehicle where you are likely to evade and be hard for ground units to catch.

PD and SD literally just match whatever you are doing. It is in no way unfair at all. If you are driving a non high-speed vehicle. PD and SD will chase you in Buffalos or similar vehicles. It is only when you decide to abuse the speed of high-speed vehicles to attempt to easily evade from police after you have committed crimes, that PD and SD decide to bring out a high-speed vehicle to avoid you simply getting away within seconds.
 

[imran]

2 hours ago, Demonmit1 said:

Imran, I've been reading your posts, and I'm honestly just confused. I can't figure out what your actual point is, because nothing you say on the forums matches what you actually do in the game.

One minute you're here demanding that cops get cheat menus, aim assist, and rocket launchers. The next, you're crying that we shouldn't even be allowed to have a car that can break 200 km/h. It's just nonsensical trolling.

But the real kicker is your in-game record. You talk a big game about high-speed chases and supercar balance, but a quick search shows your entire criminal career is just you repeatedly getting arrested for smashing ATMs with a crowbar and then immediately surrendering. Your rap sheet is mostly just that and a bunch of speeding tickets.

And the most hypocritical part? You complain about cops being too powerful, but then you're the one calling 911 on other crims at labs when you get pushed out. You literally use us as your personal revenge service and then come here to demand we get nerfed into the ground.

So let's be real. You're not a victim of some overpowered police force. You're just not very good at being a criminal, and you're using the forums to troll and whine about it. Stop wasting everyone's time.

My first post here was me impersonating a cop asking for more OP perks for LEOs it was obvious unless you’re a bonehead.

On your second point, you’re right: I do a lot of ATMs and other illegal activities, but I stopped getting into chases after a bad experience. How can LEOs deploy Banshee GTS and Jaguars against my Sentinel GTS? And don’t get me started on the overpowered modded Dominator GTX you guys use.

Your post shows a live example of toxic LEO players who treat the game like real life, insulting me over IC stuff. Don’t act like a kid you’re not. You’re clearly a jobless 30‑year‑old dude.

I suck at try‑hard games and I have no problem with that I’m speaking from my gameplay POV. It might be irrelevant to some, but it matters to me. I appreciate you sharing your ideology, but I don’t accept the MG insults. Be wise, or go play rolebox

 

Edited September 26, 2025 by imran

[Demonmit1]

40 minutes ago, imran said:

My first post here was me impersonating a cop asking for more OP perks for LEOs it was obvious unless you’re a bonehead.

On your second point, you’re right: I do a lot of ATMs and other illegal activities, but I stopped getting into chases after a bad experience. How can LEOs deploy Banshee GTS and Jaguars against my Sentinel GTS? And don’t get me started on the overpowered modded Dominator GTX you guys use.

Your post shows a live example of toxic LEO players who treat the game like real life, insulting me over IC stuff. Don’t act like a kid you’re not. You’re clearly a jobless 30‑year‑old dude.

I suck at try‑hard games and I have no problem with that I’m speaking from my gameplay POV. It might be irrelevant to some, but it matters to me. I appreciate you sharing your ideology, but I don’t accept the MG insults. Be wise, or go play rolebox

 

So, you're just admitting to being a troll, while the rest of us are trying to have a serious discussion about server balance? You have zero experience in these situations, but you feel the need to jump in and say whatever nonsense comes to mind. Got it.

Let's talk about the cars, because your complaints are completely detached from reality.

The Banshee GTS is a heavily regulated tool that requires a deployment log and can only be used against a very specific list of vehicles.
The Jugular is our standard interceptor, and it's restricted to supervisors or specially certified officers. Your Sentinel GTS is a budget version of that car with a higher top speed and worse handling. It's a balanced matchup.
But the most laughable part is you calling the Dominator GTX "overpowered." I refuse to drive that thing. It's mediocre with frustrating oversteer and is objectively worse than our standard Buffalo STX patrol car. The fact that you think that car is a threat is the single most revealing thing you've said. It proves this is a skill issue.

This isn't really about the cars, though. This is about your mentality. Your posts are a perfect example of a toxic criminal player who desperately wants to be a hardened gangster but wants absolutely no repercussions or risk for their actions. You're not playing against AI cops, you're playing against other people whose in-character job is to provide you with risk as a criminal and catch you.

If you want to roleplay a skilled driver who gets away all the time, maybe you should actually develop the skill to do so, instead of whining that you can't evade a basic patrol car in one of the better vehicles on the server.

If you don't have the skill to successfully evade, then make RP out of it. Get caught, go to jail, build a story. But you're not interested in that. You're here to play a roleplay server like it's GTA Online with extra steps, where the only goal is to grind money. The moment anything gets in the way of that grind, like another crew robbing you at a lab, your first instinct is to call the cops for help.

You use law enforcement as your personal weapon when it suits you, and then you come here to demand we get nerfed into the ground so you have no risk. Figure out what you want to do. Contribute to the community and find a style of roleplay that's actually within your capabilities, or stop derailing serious conversations with your trolling.
 

[imran]

LOL , why you bringing IC shit in here? am just saying my opinion,  i said it in the first way by trolling to show how OP cops already are, then i shared the idea that cops should not have overpowered cars, i didn't cry about being jailed or fined, i just asked management to remove OP cars from you, that's all, make it more like an RP server than COPS vs Robbers server, i was about to buy some good cars, but i decided to not after seeing this mess.

suspect got a super or faster car? use spikes, or police mavericks, LEOs are not one or 4 members, 10+ atleast participate in that chase.

 

if crims used some super car it ain't cheap, good cars starts by 800k atleast, the ones in buffalo stx level.

and for the gtx, its mainly shit in normal gta, but its moded here to make a 2 seater car 4 seaters, then the increased 210 kph max speed with that good handling it already had, ofc its OP.

Edited September 26, 2025 by imran

[Demonmit1]

57 minutes ago, imran said:

if crims used some super car it ain't cheap, good cars starts by 800k atleast, the ones in buffalo stx level.

So why not just buy a Buffalo STX for $350k if it's outmatching your $850k Sentinel GTS? Sounds like you wasted your time and money, and rather than figuring that out in-game, you show up on the forums to troll and whine about cops being OP.

This is the purest definition of a skill issue. People in law enforcement factions have mastered driving our cruisers because, day in and day out, we're forced to pursue meta sports cars that vastly outmatch our standard vehicles. So yeah, we've gotten pretty damn good at keeping up. Your Sentinel GTS is more than capable of successfully evading, its just that you are the weak link. You can't just spend a bunch of money on a car and expect to instantly win every situation. Thinking like that is just silly.

What you did is waste your time by not thinking through your roleplay goals, other than to grind money, buy an expensive car, and hope you can win by holding W harder than the cops. That didn't happen, so now you're upset, and instead of changing your tactics, you're here complaining.

There are so many vehicles in the 100k−400k range that absolutely smoke our cruisers. Maybe you should do some roleplay beyond grinding money and actually talk to people to find out which cars are worth buying if you want to successfully evade. Or, just stop whining on the forums about nerfing cops because you can't take the heat. lol

[imran]

13 hours ago, Demonmit1 said:

So why not just buy a Buffalo STX for $350k if it's outmatching your $850k Sentinel GTS? Sounds like you wasted your time and money, and rather than figuring that out in-game, you show up on the forums to troll and whine about cops being OP.

This is the purest definition of a skill issue. People in law enforcement factions have mastered driving our cruisers because, day in and day out, we're forced to pursue meta sports cars that vastly outmatch our standard vehicles. So yeah, we've gotten pretty damn good at keeping up. Your Sentinel GTS is more than capable of successfully evading, its just that you are the weak link. You can't just spend a bunch of money on a car and expect to instantly win every situation. Thinking like that is just silly.

What you did is waste your time by not thinking through your roleplay goals, other than to grind money, buy an expensive car, and hope you can win by holding W harder than the cops. That didn't happen, so now you're upset, and instead of changing your tactics, you're here complaining.

There are so many vehicles in the 100k−400k range that absolutely smoke our cruisers. Maybe you should do some roleplay beyond grinding money and actually talk to people to find out which cars are worth buying if you want to successfully evade. Or, just stop whining on the forums about nerfing cops because you can't take the heat. lol

I buy what I want it’s a game and everyone plays it their own way. The real problem here is that LEOs are using supercars. All I said was to remove those. Why not actually play this server like an RP server instead of turning it into nonsense? Why would crims buy super cars when LEOs can just use the same?

Just like in real life: if a suspect has a faster car, police deploy helicopters, set up roadblocks, and use spike strips they don’t roll out Dodge Vipers or McLaren P1s.

Also, it’s crazy how emotional you’re getting in this thread. Can’t imagine how you’d react in-game when you run into me IC it just shows how seriously you’re taking this server, caring more about winning than about RP or creating good moments.

 

[AtlasOLimbo]

34 minutes ago, imran said:

The real problem here is that LEOs are using supercars. All I said was to remove those

Me when I lie.

20 hours ago, imran said:

and remove all their other cruisers and sport bikes including the hakuchou and terminus,

I don't think anyone should engage with him further when he's spent the whole thread trolling/contradicting himself tbh.

[Kon]

33 minutes ago, AtlasOLimbo said:

I don't think anyone should engage with him further when he's spent the whole thread trolling/contradicting himself tbh.

i will refrain from interacting with this man, thank you soldier.

[DaddyShrood]

2 hours ago, imran said:

I buy what I want it’s a game and everyone plays it their own way. The real problem here is that LEOs are using supercars. All I said was to remove those. Why not actually play this server like an RP server instead of turning it into nonsense? Why would crims buy super cars when LEOs can just use the same?

Just like in real life: if a suspect has a faster car, police deploy helicopters, set up roadblocks, and use spike strips they don’t roll out Dodge Vipers or McLaren P1s.

Also, it’s crazy how emotional you’re getting in this thread. Can’t imagine how you’d react in-game when you run into me IC it just shows how seriously you’re taking this server, caring more about winning than about RP or creating good moments.

 

In real life, people don't walk around with assault rifles and start the equivalent of the Ukraine war over a $1000 speeding citation, but yanno.