License suspension and how they could improve

[EimaTrG]

I know people have been really annoyed with the 24h license suspension and due to people evading frequently I know that this change wouldn't be implemented but I just decided to throw it out there as a possibility and maybe an improvement to the system.

One of the main reasons people tend to not evade or drive recklessly right now if because of the license suspension, but when they do if they get caught they just log out for 24h and come back when they have their licenses are back and do the same again.

Now to what I think would be a good way to prevent them from evading and just leaving for 24h is making a change in the time and making it so it's playtime for example. Evading gets you 4h play time after your sentence is done, so you have to be online moving around doing stuff for 4h and getting the licenses back then, if it's per say Reckless driving or demerits make it like 2h of play time after the jail time has ended. It would give people a reason to play after getting their licenses suspended and maybe even give more fun chases to PD rather than avoiding it and making it something not worth while doing.

Now I know when I say not worth while doing is something you were shooting for with the making of the 24h license suspension but at the end of the day the server is inside of a game the realism point is there but at the same time you need to look into it like this what if the person is in prison for 3 years (3h) at that point his licenses should unsuspended 

But this is just my opinion on the matter and if the community/staff/modders come all together I hope we could  make a change to it and actually make it something of a worth while thing rather than getting licenses suspended and leaving the char for 24h.

[Demonmit1]

just change the script for 1=day to 1=hour, and then law enforcement / GOV can work out the specifics ICly on how long in hours suspensions should be. (double to triple your sentence would be a good place to start) The logic of a 24 hour license suspension but a 3 hour prison sentence is bad. the prison time is set up to be minutes = months, so having 1440 months of your license suspended by that logic is just fucked. lol

Edited October 3, 2024 by Demonmit1

[SquirtleSquad]

Crims complained about jail times, so jail Times have been reduced at least 2 times since I've been on the server.

Crims complained about nothing to do when in jail, so jobs to earn stamps were added to DOC so that there's something to do while in DOC.

When you're out in the world, 24 hours license suspension which only prevents you from getting a car out of impound, but doesn't prevent you from scriptly driving around. Just IC consequences. I could see if it was affecting your ability to RP like DOC time would, sure, but otherwise just keep driving. You're going to continue doing crim shit, you're going to continue to break laws where you can get a license suspension. What's the difference? This has already been lowered once, lowering it more just completely makes the suspension moot and useless.

This is all I'm saying on this.

[SteakHappy]

+1.

Squirtlesquad has a valid point. However, on the simplest level, most crims I know log out after receiving a license suspension. This is due to the following cycle:

Get a vehicle impounded/license suspended for 24 hours -> Get caught driving with a suspended license -> End up with another 24 hour license suspension and impounded vehicle -> repeat

License suspensions stack. No one wants to end up with all of their vehicles impounded and a 3+ day license suspension.

If the mechanic causes people to log out for 24 hours at a time, it should be tweaked.

[inorigj]

26 minutes ago, SteakHappy said:

License suspensions stack. No one wants to end up with all of their vehicles impounded and a 3+ day license suspension

Last time I checked. They don't stack. They "refresh" if you had a 24 hours suspension. And 4 hours had passed. You don't end up with 44 hours. You're back at 24. Unless they manually type a higher number then 1

[Demonmit1]

23 minutes ago, inorigj said:

Last time I checked. They don't stack.

I'm pretty sure it stacks from my experience. it just adds 24 hours to whatever you got left.

even if it doesnt, what happens when you only have 1 car? the new player experience with this mechanic is rough.

Edited October 3, 2024 by Demonmit1

[Demonmit1]

1 hour ago, SquirtleSquad said:

When you're out in the world, 24 hours license suspension which only prevents you from getting a car out of impound, but doesn't prevent you from scriptly driving around.

it scriptly prevents you from accessing freelance jobs that require you to drive a vehicle if i remember correctly, which is a lot of them. ive seen new players just confused and stuck over a reckless for speeding, getting their license suspended, going to jail, losing their car, and unable to afford a taxi to go anywhere, and unable to do most freelance jobs to pass the time, so they log off.

Edited October 3, 2024 by Demonmit1

[SteakHappy]

Trust, they stack. Lost mine for 4 days once.

[Spizor]

The script itself should be changed to have the time input as hours, rather than days. The times of the suspensions should be raised through GOV, though I'm sure they will accommodate if the script ends up allowing the input to be in hours.

[tigerpet15]

+1

[Jett_J]

I suggested this a while back and some people liked the idea:

When you get your license suspended, it will stay suspended until you go to the DMV and retake the driver's test and pass it just like the first time you got your license. This way, there is still in-character punishment, however, you aren't restricted in your roleplay out-of-character for 24 hours.

Edited October 4, 2024 by Jett_J

[Pegasus_]

1 hour ago, Jett_J said:

I suggested this a while back and some people liked the idea:

When you get your license suspended, it will stay suspended until you go to the DMV and retake the driver's test and pass it just like the first time you got your license. This way, there is still in-character punishment, however, you aren't restricted in your roleplay out-of-character for 24 hours.

Then they need to change the test, cause it’s just ass. 

[Quietthecutie]

Just let VIP change the suspension time to 12/6/3 hours. 

More income for the server, better experience for crims, everyone wins. 

 

[Ritchie Stones]

-1 sorry, i been in many criminal activity, only 12 demerits in 4 years, its a skill issue find 24 hours very reasonable compare tot the 48, this new gen is all about wanting to do the crime but not doing the time, there was people in jail back then for 36 hours, 
for stacking charges, sorry if you cant handle 24 hours and you can still drive and rarely get caught when you keep it on the low, 

however when you are clapping and evading cops everyday 4 times a day you belong to the clapper gen, and then I'm not surprised you have all this stacked up onto you, this is also not the point of this server, so I don't feel bad for 24 hour suspensions, we came for 48 hours, and jailtime just be happy 

[Eliza]

-1 from me as a crim player

Just drive anyways and don’t get caught slackin, if you’re super stressed about getting caught, just ride a BMX for a day or be passenger princess.

 

However as much as I hate giving this answer, this is truly just something that would have to be done through IC means.

Edited October 4, 2024 by DontSniffSugar

[Bala]

Fuck me, do people want any consequences for doing any illegal stuff and getting caught doing it, lmao.

24 hours is short enough for the player and long enough for the cops, leave it alone.

Edited October 5, 2024 by Bala

[SteakHappy]

Short enough for the player?

Bro, end of the day, this is a video game. Like, I have a life outside of it, 24 hours of my potential playtime gone is maddening. 

It's fun watching people who have never played crim give their two cents. Like, yeah, in your brain, in theory, it probably sounds fine. Crim and LEO might as well be two different games.

Edited October 5, 2024 by SteakHappy

[Clank]

If you log out cause your license got suspended for 24 hours, you're not here for the roleplay. Brother, ride a BMX around, WALK, RUN, DRIVE AROUND AS A PASSENGER WITH FRIENDS. BE SOCIAL ITS A ROLEPLAY SERVER INTERACT WITH MFS!!

  

31 minutes ago, SteakHappy said:

Short enough for the player?

Bro, end of the day, this is a video game. Like, I have a life outside of it, 24 hours of my potential playtime gone is maddening. 

It's fun watching people who have never played crim give their two cents. Like, yeah, in your brain, in theory, it probably sounds fine. Crim and LEO might as well be two different games.

Civilians/legal people get their licenses suspended too? My PD character got a 24 hour license suspension he rode around on his BMX hanging with mfs. Its not all about min-maxing lmfao.

If you have a life outside of it, then go live your life?? What is the point of bringing up your outside life shouldnt you be happy then now that you have 24 hours to live it? Im so confused. 

Edited October 5, 2024 by Clank
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[idgafashlee]

Hi omg long-term crim main here !!

I think 24 hours is extremely fair and potentially even generous !! It could certainly be far worse; imagine if the suspension scaled for every charge that resulted in a license suspension? Or worse, if serial offenders were liable for longer suspensions each and every time they got arrested. In the real world you can get your license yoinked permanently for far less. 

Bottom line is 24 hours is reasonable for an RP server. Getting caught = consequences. Your roleplay isn't being limited by not having a license. Walk on foot or whip around on a BMX! Hell you can even drive on a suspended license if you're willing to pay the consequences for your illegal actions in the case of you getting caught! 

Edited October 5, 2024 by idgafashlee

[Bala]

1 hour ago, SteakHappy said:

Short enough for the player?

Bro, end of the day, this is a video game. Like, I have a life outside of it, 24 hours of my potential playtime gone is maddening. 

It's fun watching people who have never played crim give their two cents. Like, yeah, in your brain, in theory, it probably sounds fine. Crim and LEO might as well be two different games.

I'm not sure I'm someone you want to start comparing sizes with, to be honest with you.

That's before we get into all the faction clothes, the lab locations and all the other shit but yeah, please tell me about how I know nothing about crim, lmao. 

I might never have shot up City Hall a bunch of times and tried to kidnap the Governor but I've played my fair share of criminal characters and I know it's been a minute since you were a cop, but what do we do all day? Deal with criminals, is that not experience?

Great, you've got yourself a life outside of this, that must be nice. But if you got a life, then you ain't playing for the full 24 hours are you? Most players probably play the same amount as they would watch a movie or sport game for, 2-3 hours.

I'm sure it is inconvenient for people but that is the point. 48 hours was too long, we reduced it to 24. 

As for Crim and LEO being two different games, now you're finally getting it. They are different, with different objectives, motives and actions. Balance isn't about convenience, it's about positives and negatives being comparable to each other. 

That's my two cents, you can keep the change.

Edited October 5, 2024 by Bala

[SteakHappy]

I never said you know nothing about crim.

You main an LEO. You do not regularly have to encounter losing your license for 24 hours. That is the whole point that I was making.  There is nothing wrong with that, it is just a difference in perspective.

Unfortunately, I think that that difference in perspective is often missed.

What benefit, exactly, do you get from giving 24 hour license suspensions? Any at all? If not, what is the point? Why not change the script to be per hour?

Why is a reckless and a felony public endangerment the exact same suspension? It doesn't really make sense.

Edited October 5, 2024 by SteakHappy

[inorigj]

14 hours ago, SteakHappy said:

Why is a reckless and a felony public endangerment the exact same suspension? It doesn't really make sense.

ok I've been reading this post since it was first made. but this is the first thing I can fully agree with.

I know the suspend script is hard coded to the minimum of 24 hours. as they don't type in 24. they type 1 as it goes by days.

I think the minimum shouldn't be 24 hours. I think lowering it to pick hours instead of days. so that something like a demerit suspension could be 12 hours or less, while suspensions from some arrests get higher once.

[Demonmit1]

The core of the issue is the script. it shouldnt be based on IRL days. change the script so that its based on hours, (or minutes, so we can go back to the IC "months" of suspension terminology) and let law enforcement / gov handle the punishment length ICly. give players the choice, dont limit them scriptly.

if an LRC member wants to put the effort to reduce it, and it gets voted on, give them the option. if law enforcement want to extend it for more serious crimes, give them the option. there's no chance for that currently.

The fact that my character even HAS a drivers license still is wild.

Edited October 5, 2024 by Demonmit1

[EimaTrG]

I’ve been reflecting on the recent discussions around 24-hour suspensions for misdemeanors and felonies, and I see some merit in the idea that these suspensions serve a purpose. However, I think the issue lies more in the fact that the consequences for misdemeanors and felonies are the same length, which seems disproportionate.

I’ve noticed an increase in players evading the police to avoid those 24-hour suspensions, especially when it comes to losing their licenses. It’s understandable - being unable to drive for a day can really hinder a character’s income and overall experience.

While some seasoned players might not feel the impact of a 24-hour suspension as much due to their assets, newer players face a much harsher reality. If they lose their only vehicle, it severely limits their options for income during that suspension. Scrapping a vehicle is one possibility, but it’s often seen as a last resort. For many, the thought of losing their only means of transportation can be incredibly discouraging.

I agree with the sentiment that criminals should face consequences for their actions, but I believe it’s essential to balance those penalties with the gameplay experience. Instead of a blanket 24-hour suspension for all offenses, it might be more engaging if the government could determine the suspension length based on the offense. For instance, using a getaway car during a robbery could incur a different penalty than reckless driving.

This could help make the game more enjoyable and accessible for new players, who may struggle more than experienced players with the current system. Balancing the experience for both newer and long-time players is obviously hard and I don't expect it to be done in a day or two but a step in that direction could make it so that people would stay around and actually interact with traffic stops and give the RP to PD.

As always this is just a discussion and I enjoyed reading through all of the replies

[Demonmit1]

11 minutes ago, EimaTrG said:

I’ve noticed an increase in players evading the police to avoid those 24-hour suspensions,

yep, if PD is going to arrest me for reckless cause i was speeding, take my car away, charge me $11,000 to get it out of impound, and suspend my license for 24 hours. might as well try and get a chase out of it for the fun, rather than just give in immediately.