Police balances

[RustyOsprey2]

3 hours ago, CalvinKlein said:

Also wdym 1700 hours and you can’t use a regular AR, you can spawn a Bullpup Mk2 with 300 bullets and refill whenever in a vehicle (was the most OP ar before Mk2 nerfs) 

People seem to think that as soon as you join PD you get access to 175 AP, Bullpup MK2, Carbine rifles, Helicopters, High Speed vehicles etc etc. This couldnt be further from the truth. 

 

Spoiler

1. Apply for PD.
2. Hopefully, you will get accepted or denied depending on the effort you put into the application.
3. Wait for someone to be able to do your OOC interview, do it, and hopefully get accepted-
4. Wait for someone to be able to do your IC interview, do it, and hopefully get accepted-
5. Wait for a scheduled Academy and partake.
6. Get assigned to the training program that lasts on average a month or more, where you have to learn A LOT of information and eventually pass an eval. If you fail, then you get kicked out.
7. Pass your eval and then wait anywhere from 1 day to a month or even more to get promoted to PO1.
8. Become PO1 where the best gun you have access to is a pistol 50 and the best vehicle you have access to is a buffalo. 
9. Decide if you want to join any of the PO1 divisions. These are divisions like traffic. If you do join these divisions, none of them give you access to better guns or any significantly better vehicles until later on within that same division.
10. Wait a minimum of around 1 month before you are even eligible to be promoted to PO2, and that is only if you have been operating on duty to a high standard.
11. Get PO2, apply for a Pump Shotgun MK2. If you get accepted, you can now use a Pump. However, you have to follow the numerous procedures and policies set in place regarding when and how you are allowed to use it. If you use it wrong, you could face anything from a demotion, removal of the certification for the pump, suspension, or kick from the faction. At PO2, you still don't get access to any high-speed vehicles, and that is after around 2-3 months of being in the faction, if you are lucky. At PO2, you can apply for more divisions, let's say SWAT. These applications open only every few months with limited slots, and if you apply and get denied, you gotta wait. Let's say you get accepted, now you have to do the training program for SWAT before being allowed to use any of their gear. If you pass that training, congratulations. You can now use a rifle and have slightly better AP than before, while still having to only use this gear according to policy. Or risk all those months of work being thrown out, cause you get kicked from the faction or division.
12. After this, it gets even harder. If you want PO3, then you have to wait a minimum of around 2 months before you are even eligible. And you have to be at an even higher standard and put in countless hours of work in paperwork and patrol. And sure, when you get PO3, you get access to some faster vehicles, "If you apply and get accepted", however, still even those are controlled by strict procedures and policies. Police aren't allowed to patrol around in an Itali GTO or a Jugular. They are only ever deployed if the vehicle someone is chasing is a high-speed vehicle, and can only be deployed by those certified for them.

 

[Larintai]

I'd just like to not see PD be able to /fl and regain full AP on their armor or change out weapons at their vehicles during shoot outs. Even though its not supposed to happen, it does. Theres been a lot of discussion amongst everyone after what has happened in the last week or two with two major gangs disappearing essentially. OTF and Offgrid. Offgrid left because of the way that gang suppression is allowed to be done, which is in my personal opinion, a little over the top. If you're still here for role play that is and not here for just cop simulator. A lot of people have been discussing leaving the server as a whole due to the way that PD and SD are allowed to pull out things repeatedly and hostage situations aren't really taken seriously.  To be able to pull off a large scale RP situation requires so much more effort and usually admin support behind it.  Let alone to get into the more interesting RP on the server can be emotionally taxing on some. It can get exhausting.  As a crim main, I'd like to see a bit more...fun? out of LEO's. I try to make my stops entertaining, and some people are...dull at best. Like they can't be asked to even try to RP.  Id like to see it a lil more balance between the amount of responding officers to a single back up. Obviously, if its a large scale shoot out, then thats a bit different. Such as the one this last week.  But if its a bank robbery...why is the entire force showing up. The number of times I've been pulled over for speeding and had six cruisers on me for no reason. Its getting to the point that the RP is turning into revenge anger and not LEO v Crim. Something needs to be done or there won't be any crims left in the server.

[alexalex303]

1 hour ago, Larintai said:

Theres been a lot of discussion amongst everyone after what has happened in the last week or two with two major gangs disappearing essentially. OTF and Offgrid. Offgrid left

Even if they did leave, having people hold the server hostage with their playing status is silly. But either way, the gangs are still here, regardless of one or two people being not happy.

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[Jordan]

39 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

Even if they did leave, having people hold the server hostage with their playing status is silly. But either way, the gangs are still here, regardless of one or two people being not happy.

For the record as someone that was affected by recent events of OTF's changes I can say while this member count represents players that are IN the faction not all of them are active, and some of them are brand new brought in to "revive" the faction. The majority of OTF's roster has left and splintered off. Me being one of them.

[alexalex303]

16 minutes ago, Jordan said:

For the record as someone that was affected by recent events of OTF's changes I can say while this member count represents players that are IN the faction not all of them are active, and some of them are brand new brought in to "revive" the faction. The majority of OTF's roster has left and splintered off. Me being one of them.

Leaving and joining something else is very different than leaving the server because of gang suppression. 

[Jordan]

11 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

Leaving and joining something else is very different than leaving the server because of gang suppression. 

In that case for what its worth: I believe the mass decline in OTF's case has nothing/very little to do with gang suppression. From what I know it was a lot of internal things. I misunderstood the quote.

[Perez1025]

I want to state as a member of command in Off Grid gang suppression wasn't the reason 95% of us left the server. Don't want it to be a debate so I won't say reasons why here but wasn't gang suppression 

[imran]

I’ve played on many RP servers, including SAMP and GTA 5 RP, and I can say that criminals here still have the upper hand no matter what people think. Even with the advantages we have  fast Jugulars, Banshee GTS, helicopters  it’s still not enough to win against criminals with meta cars like Drags or Niobes, we don't care about roleplay or fairness, but its our IC duty to stop criminals since its illegal both in real life and in game experience, that's why we need more and more support from faction management !!

Criminals risk more, yes, but they also have vehicles that completely outclass ours. Saying we’re “overpowered” is false. Jaguars and Banshee GTS might sound strong, but they don’t compare to a Niobe going 240+ nonstop, for helicopters They barely change anything when the criminals can just keep outrunning ground units, we need to fully stop criminal activity completly and let only police/sheriffs/legal RP players enjoys !

If management actually wants law enforcement to keep up, we need more real advantages, not just a few flashy vehicles. Things like:

• Be able to spawn in other locations so we cna block suspects

• More helicopters with advanced vision so criminals can’t just disappearn or a Hydra plane with siren on it and missile rockets.

• Additional gear perks like miniguns or rocket launchers since criminals already buy high-tier weapons and armor.

• Stronger pursuit cars that can match meta speeds and make them limited at 260 instead of 240 so suspect have no way to escape.

• Allow leo members to use cheat menu equiped with ESPs and light aim assists.

Right now, it feels like we’ve been given “advantages” just for looks, while criminals still dominate the server with expensive cars and setups, yes only like 2 percent  of them use tthesevehicles, but let us make it balanced on that instead of the rest of the server. If the goal is fair play, then police and sheriffs need even more tools to actually keep things balanced for our POV.

Edited September 18, 2025 by imran

[CharlesXiao]

1 hour ago, imran said:

I’ve played on many RP servers, including SAMP and GTA 5 RP, and I can say that criminals here still have the upper hand no matter what people think. Even with the advantages we have  fast Jugulars, Banshee GTS, helicopters  it’s still not enough to win against criminals with meta cars like Drags or Niobes.

Criminals risk more, yes, but they also have vehicles that completely outclass ours. Saying we’re “overpowered” is false. Jaguars and Banshee GTS might sound strong, but they don’t compare to a Niobe going 240+ nonstop. Helicopters? They barely change anything when the criminals can just keep outrunning ground units.

If management actually wants law enforcement to keep up, we need more real advantages, not just a few flashy vehicles. Things like:

• Be able to spawn in other locations so we cna block suspects

• More helicopters with advanced vision so criminals can’t just disappearn or a Hydra plane with siren on it and missile rockets.

• Additional gear perks like miniguns or rocket launchers since criminals already buy high-tier weapons and armor.

• Stronger pursuit cars that can match meta speeds and make them limited at 260 instead of 240 so suspect have no way to escape.

• Allow leo members to use cheat menu equiped with ESPs and light aim assists.

Right now, it feels like we’ve been given “advantages” just for looks, while criminals still dominate the server with expensive cars and setups, yes only like 2 percent  of them use tthesevehicles, but let us make it balanced on that instead of the rest of the server. If the goal is fair play, then police and sheriffs need even more tools to actually keep things balanced for our POV.

lmk what strain of drug your on, whatever it is seems to be good since your delusional LMFAO

[SneakySniper]

I would just like to see the removal of pagering in pd/sd. Calling in backup from people who are currently offline to go push labs and raid them seems a little unfair. I think contacting SD and making it a joint operation is enough let alone getting people who aren't even in game to help too. Especially when that would be classed as metagaming if crims were to do the same. 

Another thing id like to see changed is, back when i was in Lost MC maybe 8-10 months ago, we would fight cops alot, sometimes wiping them, just for GOV to step in with armoured cars, DOC pulling up in their cruisers and fighting. Im not sure if this is the norm for certain situations but keeping it limited to ONLY the police departments to handle situations like that, its quite literally impossible to win in any scenario. 

Edited September 17, 2025 by SneakySniper276

[AtlasOLimbo]

1 hour ago, SneakySniper276 said:

I would just like to see the removal of pagering in pd/sd. Calling in backup from people who are currently offline to go push labs and raid them seems a little unfair. I think contacting SD and making it a joint operation is enough let alone getting people who aren't even in game to help too. Especially when that would be classed as metagaming if crims were to do the same. 

Another thing id like to see changed is, back when i was in Lost MC maybe 8-10 months ago, we would fight cops alot, sometimes wiping them, just for GOV to step in with armoured cars, DOC pulling up in their cruisers and fighting. Im not sure if this is the norm for certain situations but keeping it limited to ONLY the police departments to handle situations like that, its quite literally impossible to win in any scenario. 

Getting rid of law enforcement pagers isn't the magical solution to issues. They're an essential part of how law enforcement operates on our server. LEOs are expected to be capable of responding to situations to some degree, maintaining peace & order 24/7/365 which may involve any number of people from the 10+ criminal factions, or unaffiliated criminals that may be online at once. 

 

Law enforcement's situation is unique, that's why their tools are unique. This isn't the magical solve you think it might be.

[Eliza]

1 hour ago, SneakySniper276 said:

I would just like to see the removal of pagering in pd/sd. Calling in backup from people who are currently offline to go push labs and raid them seems a little unfair. I think contacting SD and making it a joint operation is enough let alone getting people who aren't even in game to help too. Especially when that would be classed as metagaming if crims were to do the same. 

just to touch pagers, 90% of the time in my experience, if you're lucky you'll get maybe one or 2 that actually log in to assist, if even that, and not every officer has access to actually use the pager

[SneakySniper]

7 minutes ago, Eliza said:

just to touch pagers, 90% of the time in my experience, if you're lucky you'll get maybe one or 2 that actually log in to assist, if even that, and not every officer has access to actually use the pager

Yeah i know, just sometimes 1 or 2 can make the difference in a situation. If its just 1 or 2 logging in to help surely it makes more sense to just remove it altogether. And yeah i think its mainly SWAT and a few others who have the ability to do that. But making use of non swat officers on duty instead of getting offline swat online would also be interesting on an rp standpoint for the officers who don't usually participate in those situations

[SneakySniper]

30 minutes ago, AtlasOLimbo said:

Getting rid of law enforcement pagers isn't the magical solution to issues. They're an essential part of how law enforcement operates on our server. LEOs are expected to be capable of responding to situations to some degree, maintaining peace & order 24/7/365 which may involve any number of people from the 10+ criminal factions, or unaffiliated criminals that may be online at once. 

 

Law enforcement's situation is unique, that's why their tools are unique. This isn't the magical solve you think it might be.

Hey! Didn't say this would solve all the problems, please refer to my use of ''this is what i would like to see'' at the start of my suggestion. After all this is a suggestions channel. 

[Demonmit1]

16 minutes ago, SneakySniper276 said:

Yeah i know, just sometimes 1 or 2 can make the difference in a situation. If its just 1 or 2 logging in to help surely it makes more sense to just remove it altogether. And yeah i think its mainly SWAT and a few others who have the ability to do that. But making use of non swat officers on duty instead of getting offline swat online would also be interesting on an rp standpoint for the officers who don't usually participate in those situations

I can't support removing pagers while the current meta of hunting LEOs during low-pop hours exists. The pager is a hard counter to groups trying to wipe PD/SD just for PvP. Groups are currently or have tried in the past, get OOC upset with law enforcement factions, but are unwilling to find creative RP solutions to their issues, and rather wait till low pop hours to hunt down random cops to feel good about themselves with an easy win. If we were to remove that tool, we would need a different solution to prevent a handful of officers from being constantly farmed. For example, if pagers are gone, perhaps the New Life Rule should be suspended for LEOs in situations where they are being actively and repeatedly hunted by the same group. My point is, you can't remove the solution without first addressing the problem. Until that happens, the pager is an essential tool for server balance.

[Perez1025]

1 hour ago, Demonmit1 said:

I can't support removing pagers while the current meta of hunting LEOs during low-pop hours exists. The pager is a hard counter to groups trying to wipe PD/SD just for PvP. Groups are currently or have tried in the past, get OOC upset with law enforcement factions, but are unwilling to find creative RP solutions to their issues, and rather wait till low pop hours to hunt down random cops to feel good about themselves with an easy win. If we were to remove that tool, we would need a different solution to prevent a handful of officers from being constantly farmed. For example, if pagers are gone, perhaps the New Life Rule should be suspended for LEOs in situations where they are being actively and repeatedly hunted by the same group. My point is, you can't remove the solution without first addressing the problem. Until that happens, the pager is an essential tool for server balance.

To be fair the cops killed in those situations just keep comming back as it just happened the other day when off grid went on to fight cops during "demon hours" I personally killed the same cop 3 times. So there really is no NLR rule for them in that situation.

[DaddyShrood]

3 hours ago, Perez1025 said:

To be fair the cops killed in those situations just keep comming back as it just happened the other day when off grid went on to fight cops during "demon hours" I personally killed the same cop 3 times. So there really is no NLR rule for them in that situation.

NLR allows cops to perform unrelated faction duties. The fact you're killing the same cop 3 times is very telling.

[Clank]

4 hours ago, Perez1025 said:

To be fair the cops killed in those situations just keep comming back as it just happened the other day when off grid went on to fight cops during "demon hours" I personally killed the same cop 3 times. So there really is no NLR rule for them in that situation.

As someone that survived that exact encounter you're referring to. This simply is not true. You did not kill the same cop 3 times in the same shootout.

There was about 3 LSPD members that survived total, me being one of them. Around the same amount of Sheriffs Deputies survived the encounter. 

So unless you went out of your way to find the same guy three times while he was performing unrelated duties, I can safely say you did /not/ kill the same cop 3 times in the same shootout.

Edited September 18, 2025 by Clank

[Demonmit1]

8 hours ago, Perez1025 said:

To be fair the cops killed in those situations just keep comming back as it just happened the other day when off grid went on to fight cops during "demon hours" I personally killed the same cop 3 times. So there really is no NLR rule for them in that situation.

I can tell you that is complete and utter bullshit, as I was also one of the few LEO that survived the fight. You want to talk about players breaking NLR, i had to keep killing the same people over and over again at pillbox because they'd respawn, heal up, and run out front to grab another gun or grab their wounded gang member to heal them inside over and over again. I know i killed the same people SEVERAL times in that situation, I was told by staff... lol

[Requiem]

12 hours ago, SneakySniper276 said:

I would just like to see the removal of pagering in pd/sd. Calling in backup from people who are currently offline to go push labs and raid them seems a little unfair. I think contacting SD and making it a joint operation is enough let alone getting people who aren't even in game to help too. Especially when that would be classed as metagaming if crims were to do the same. 

Another thing id like to see changed is, back when i was in Lost MC maybe 8-10 months ago, we would fight cops alot, sometimes wiping them, just for GOV to step in with armoured cars, DOC pulling up in their cruisers and fighting. Im not sure if this is the norm for certain situations but keeping it limited to ONLY the police departments to handle situations like that, its quite literally impossible to win in any scenario. 

Pagers are used as a tool  ensure police can be around at times where there are few online to maintain server balance as law enforcement factions are in place to provide risk to criminals and maintain order for civilians. The fact that in your statement above you talk about fighting police and sometimes wiping them is telling enough that criminals quite easily have the capability to overpower police. No criminal organization should be able to easily wipe police and go around the state committing whatever crime they wish risk free. Its not healthy for the server or the gameplay of criminals. Your mistake is thinking of law enforcement as just another gang or standard faction to fight when in reality, their reason for existence is not to act as competition to your criminal activities and should not be on a level playing field with you, but rather as mentioned above, a group used to maintain order and balance and provide risk to criminals to keep them from getting out of hand. 

[alexalex303]

I think the issue of the pager shows a clear disconnect between the idea of law enforcement and the idea of the criminal roleplayers. The idea for law enforcement is to provide a deterrent that stops you from taking over the city and turning it into a failed state with gangs rolling around with heavies.

After you page, it takes the average person about five minutes to connect, then they need to gear up, take a specialized vehicle and respond to wherever the situation is; I can tell you from experience that most come about ten minutes later, as they'll be afk, playing other games or whatever.

If you are still in a static shootout with law enforcement ten minutes later, then your goal was not to get away but to wipe law enforcement and turn the server into civil war Syria, which is not a desired outcome.

If we removed pagers tomorrow, we can replace them with:

• national guard staff members with admin duty on
• giving technicals and mounted weapons to metro/sed
• giving leos the gunships and/or 200 AP back

I think people are missing the point, wiping law enforcement should not be happening on a daily basis, and if the pager is an issue, it will be replaced with something else.

[imran]

The solution is simple: no limit rules, no overpowered police vehicles. Fast helicopters are acceptable, and high-tier weapons for cops are acceptable. But if criminals spend millions on fast vehicles only for police or sheriffs to show up with even better cars and chase suspects 1 vs 15+, what’s the point of that? This is an RP server, not cops and robbers. Cops should accept this. Just because a suspect has a supercar doesn’t mean they also need one. Police can work as a team to stop him block roads with spikes, have detectives track him later, etc. That way, the server will focus more on roleplay instead of simple 5-minute chases.

I’d highly recommend that faction management remove all fast meta cars from cops, leaving them with the normal Maverick and standard cruisers (remove cars like Jaguars, Banshee GTs, Retro Elegy Classic, Coquette D10, Dominator GTX). For GTA 5’s engine, even super and sports cars barely reach 200, while police cruisers can easily hit 210. If this unfair gameplay continues against illegal RP, the server will just die like other servers I used to play on, you even see that its dying slowly right now.
 

[WoodsKW]

There are clearly issues with the way that people interact with law enforcement, escalating situations that need not be escalated and on the other hand, law enforcement using tactics that they shouldn't to gain an unfair advantage that as a criminal you can do nothing about.

I have played pretty much all my time in the server as a Criminal and there have been multiple examples I have witnessed where police break rules (power gaming & NRP most notably) to gain an upper hand and get the arrest and the standard responses are IC "take it to court" or "submit an IA" but a court date takes months just for it to get thrown out and IA reports have very similar outcomes. OOC if you report the player, with all due respect half of the staff team are Law Enforcement mains and therefore will see things more from the cops perspective because they will have similar frustrations, creating an unconscious bias towards the report. Even if the report is accepted, it doesn't change the general attitude of PD or SD and doesn't change those things happening and therefore doesn't change the players frustration when they are pulled out of their car a day later for speeding because and officer "knows" they have guns in the car. There is also a lot of "reasons" why cops were doing things they shouldn't such as scouting drug labs but there was "reports" of gun shots or they were patrolling the area and saw people with heavy weapons (this exact situation happened to me at the island lab, not sure what area you are patrolling on the other side of a mountain with no knowledge of the lab being over there)

I appreciate there are frustrations from both sides but having had a conversation less than a week ago with some senior police officers in the city and being told "nobody cares if you leave" but then the entire server is crying out for more to do, more engagement, more interaction and it doesn't come around and therefore the player base is suffering, leaving less for those that remain to do, moving onto other servers and would rather start over because issues here do not seem to get addressed.

I often see in the general discord channel when new people ask how many people play and the typical response is 250+, you are lucky to get that on a Saturday night these days, people need to stop burying their head in the sand and actually looking at changes that can be made that improve the quality of the server, because right no most people are only staying for the connections with certain people they have in the server, not because they like the server itself.

[Earl Mud]

12 minutes ago, WoodsKW said:

There are clearly issues with the way that people interact with law enforcement, escalating situations that need not be escalated and on the other hand, law enforcement using tactics that they shouldn't to gain an unfair advantage that as a criminal you can do nothing about.

I have played pretty much all my time in the server as a Criminal and there have been multiple examples I have witnessed where police break rules (power gaming & NRP most notably) to gain an upper hand and get the arrest and the standard responses are IC "take it to court" or "submit an IA" but a court date takes months just for it to get thrown out and IA reports have very similar outcomes. OOC if you report the player, with all due respect half of the staff team are Law Enforcement mains and therefore will see things more from the cops perspective because they will have similar frustrations, creating an unconscious bias towards the report. Even if the report is accepted, it doesn't change the general attitude of PD or SD and doesn't change those things happening and therefore doesn't change the players frustration when they are pulled out of their car a day later for speeding because and officer "knows" they have guns in the car. There is also a lot of "reasons" why cops were doing things they shouldn't such as scouting drug labs but there was "reports" of gun shots or they were patrolling the area and saw people with heavy weapons (this exact situation happened to me at the island lab, not sure what area you are patrolling on the other side of a mountain with no knowledge of the lab being over there)

I appreciate there are frustrations from both sides but having had a conversation less than a week ago with some senior police officers in the city and being told "nobody cares if you leave" but then the entire server is crying out for more to do, more engagement, more interaction and it doesn't come around and therefore the player base is suffering, leaving less for those that remain to do, moving onto other servers and would rather start over because issues here do not seem to get addressed.

I often see in the general discord channel when new people ask how many people play and the typical response is 250+, you are lucky to get that on a Saturday night these days, people need to stop burying their head in the sand and actually looking at changes that can be made that improve the quality of the server, because right no most people are only staying for the connections with certain people they have in the server, not because they like the server itself.

Honestly theres a lot of people that never fuck with cops that are starting to due to negative interactions with cops. Ive held out on starting to fuck with cops cause I know icly it would lead to severe oppression. The amount of times I have officers come into the wrong lane to hit me off my bike when im not doing anything illegal at the time is absurd. A lot of crims don't report this stuff cause there is an air of it wont go anywhere so they dont bother. 

[Perez1025]

4 hours ago, Demonmit1 said:

I can tell you that is complete and utter bullshit, as I was also one of the few LEO that survived the fight. You want to talk about players breaking NLR, i had to keep killing the same people over and over again at pillbox because they'd respawn, heal up, and run out front to grab another gun or grab their wounded gang member to heal them inside over and over again. I know i killed the same people SEVERAL times in that situation, I was told by staff... lol

I cant speak for the entirety from that fight I can tell you not a single one of off grid died during that encounter so we didnt have a chance to break nlr I was downed twice but taken to pill box both times before dying. And it's not utter bullshit some Leo did break nlr but idc not my issue