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Oh @alexalex303 you already lost one promising faction under your leadership that became official, dont do it again for god knows what reasons. You know what they say - only a fool makes the same mistake twice. And when it comes to reports how come so many can be made against a faction that is lead by two people that are part of administration? As many as there were rejected, as many were accepted. Bless your soul tho!

Considering the fact that in the statement above it was very clearly made that NLA are the bad guys who does not have to care about being official and can just say "fuck it" therefore portrayed as the aggressors of the conflict, even suggesting (directly attacking NLA) that groups like us should be disbanded for no reason and WCA is put as this poor faction that is trying to become official, but so many obstacles are put in the way that they dont want, and the fact that me saying that we are not the ones keeping this conflict alive, as we have approached other side several times and have been denied every single time, I have to post this video as proof what is the actual situation. @GOAT I dont mind you talking about the issues on the server and all the reports because I have been saying this for long time that sadly, but the server does not support war/rivalry environment. But please, be real and honest about everything you say or mention, even as an example. I think you should look for the issue inside your own group that you represent and maybe make sure they dont want to do stuff that hurts both sides and maybe start understanding diplomacy and that not everything is "must win" and that sometimes it is ok to be "it's a tie". As you put it "WCA and NLA are currently locked in a feud right now" - well we are the prisoners of your doings, because you have the keys to unlock the fued and let it go.

None taken. And I totally agree with you. I was just saying that when big wars happens, people get reckless and salty and then the reports fly back and forth and the war ends when plenty of people are already punished and often banned and the numbers are not just there no more, instead it ending icly via diplomacy. Tbf I feel like a lot of people on the server has false understanding of what is a good diplomacy and have that "must win" attitude when it comes to diplomacy. Like there is no other way to end anything as "me the winner" in terms of destroying the other group totally. I know like 90% of gangs have done it and Im not gonna talk about the fact itself, but I wish that when diplomatic talks would take place, there would be that mutual respect to not touch the other side during it. You know, like back in the old days, two armies would get to the battle place, then the leaders with some other knights would ride in the middle of the battlefield...give their demands or whatever. Agree or disagree and go back to their side and only then start the attack. Just ruins the rp of diplomacy when you are brave enough to go to meet with the enemy to talk it out, but you know that there is a massive chance you will be ridiculed by the other side. It feels like kids are in charge instead of grownups who understand politics. All of this is what I dislike and find to be poor rp. Those who have dealt with me when it comes to diplomacy knows that I do talk about the issue if we have. I do try to end it on neutral terms. I do believe there are valid demands and then there are ridiculous demands that are based on god knows what. For me it always has to make sense when it comes to the rp.

@kris giggs after reading your responses I am 100% agreeing with everything you say. When it comes to NLA and WCA relationships then for me it is a mystery. At least from my POV and from all the attempts we have done, it seems like there is no wish from the WCA leadership to stop what is happening. I can guarantee 100% that none of the NLA people wants this forum war or the war in general as it serves no purpose. When it comes to gang relationships it is very important, at least for me, what do you do with your faction thread. I personally love a good story. I love when you follow a character and organisations development. What I mean is that like drake said "We started from the bottom, now we are here" not "We started...oh we already here!". I also do not like dishonest information and when a faction is trying to show false image. Maybe not 100% false, but at least to some level that misleads whoever is reading in thinking in a specific way about the group. You mentioned the good old times when NLA was actually acting like a street gang. Lowriders, taco's, tequila, block etc. That changed with the conflicts. I mean we were forced to change to be able to survive and fight back. I did a nice, brief update on everything on our faction thread called "voice mail to Doza" you can listen to it if you havent to see our side at least. We honestly want to go back to as it was and we have tried and I hope that no one will say we havent, because you will not see no WCA leadership ridiculed by NLA after they have reached out, while you will see that from WCA's side. I know I am focusing a lot on WCA vs NLA because that is the main war right now and the reason this topic was made. I've been through 4 big wars and I know first hand that all of those wars have been always OOC wars to a big extent and mainly were won OOC not ICly. Knowing that I dont want this one to end or go the same way, but for that to change we need two sides to agree to stop it and we are half way there...

You have weird understanding of what is making something a personal situation. Didn't the OP talk about people getting banned or punished for stuff that happened in heat of the moment and was not really a purposeful rule break? Im pretty sure he did, so how is sharing your experience about a situation that OP mentioned, making it about himself? It seems like you're just salty and looking for any way how to pick on people from NLA. That's why you did that report on him when your faction members where breaking the same rule in the same fight. Did they got punished for it? No. Did you report them? No. So dont sit here all innocent and point fingers. But as you pointed out those three reports then look at them again. First was not denied per say as admin decided to give warning this time and agreed that the rule was broken, which technically counts as passed report. The second report he decoded to drop, so there was no ruling anyway, so saying it was denied is like claiming credit for something you did not do. The third one is the only one that was denied and rightfully so. Now to the OP. I totally agree with most of the things you said and there have been several attempts to deal with the conflict between our two exact organisations via IC and OOC. Sadly it just felt that OOC and IC one side wants to keep it going for some reason...guess which one. The points I do not agree with is the mention of if someone cannot get official they should be disbanded. Disbanded how? Not being able to post their side of the rp or rp in general? Have you asked a question what lead to why someone is refused to be official? Is it anything to do with the rp they bring to the server or there are other reasons? I think that your first line, the disclaimer that it is only from your pov is very much explenaining why you think or see some things as you do. Because you have no idea what is happening on the other side which leads to a question - are you willing or even interested to figure it out? Although this is not suppose to be just about WCA and NLA situation, we all know that it is. All I can say that we never asked for it, yet we were the ones trying to stop it several times, but all we were met with was "must win everything" attitude.

That's some fancy hood if it has camera protections muhahahah....this is just brilliant. LMAO.

Hector "El Doza" Mendoza was one of the El Patrons and El Cerebro's childhood friends and one of the founders of NLA who sacrificed himself in a conflict with The Council in hopes it will allow his familia to get together and figure the things out. The truthful brief explanation of everything that has happened. No fuss and no bullshit. True story! Time Stamps 00:28 - The Council 02:44 - WCA situation 04:38 - Latin Kings 05:00 - The Council vs The Wanted 05:19 - The Vory 07:02 - The Misfits, The Ballas vs The Vory and WCA 08:05 - Inner conflict 08:26 - WCA and current conflict 09:44 - Last words and goodbyes

It's all good. I think we should make a large story update as well, to show the things from our perspective, involving everything around the war and the union of Ballas, Misfits and NLA.

A very interesting shift of events and sadly there is only that one who is left behind fighting on his own. Will see where the shit goes!

Love it! Good and original and the main thing - non violent faction.

You just offended all the gender neutral people haha

You kind of said it the best For me pretty much the whole song sounds like it was written shit faced and sloppy.

Damn, look how far street gangs have come! Now they all lawyery and shit...issuing and signing contracts between them gangbangers hahah. I hope that there is small shrift somewhere sayin "If you decided to leave the gang without a notice or break any of the rules and codes listed above in this contract, you are agreeing that you will be shot, shanked or killed in any other manner." hahha

Gonna tell you what I already tolds Safyaan - I understand that ICly stuff might seem as you wrote, but all Im asking is to use your wording right. Don't say "certainly" when you dont know. Don't make us the bad ones and tell that we started it all if you're not 100% sure about it. Realise that something might have happened before you got involved or saw the first attack, maybe someone fucked up for you and what you thinks was the beginning was already an aftermath. For example, in that fight at the lab, when you wrote about it in the post, you did not write that you had an easy fight and that you just destroyed us. No, you wrote how it was - you won that fight, but you also had fallen ones. And I appreciate that, dont get me wrong. Like I said, Im happy to see good rp and story. My only issue in your post is your wording that states false information like truth.

Im talking about the fact that in this OOC thread they are lying about how the conflict started and what was the reason. I don't care that they call us Mexicans instead of Latinos, like we do. I dont care that they call us street gang, although we refer to ourselves as familia. What I care about is not fabricating information. This thread should not be metagamed, so why lying about what really happened?

Avon is that you? hahaha just messing. Good development, good rp and stories are always welcomed from everyone, so I appreciate when it happens. Good job!

As much as I appreciate good RP story, I do not appreciate false information that is set on a group that I am part of. Like you said in the post - we are Latino(not Mexicans) and we are hood family (not street gang) and we are not Mafia, so you accusing us of attacks on you for colours you wearing and not wanting to talk is false as we do not care what colours you wear, cuz we stand apart from you guys anyways + you drive different coloured cars, and we had no business or interest in you guys.

Although this song is called Mighty and your Album is called - Rock Bottom, this might be your Rock Bottom from all the songs you've made. Quality should go over quantity.

Ooof are Zetas slowly becoming bunch of cliques? The Wolf Packs, Goblins, Curry Brothers who's next ;). But to be fair, Im happy to see some rp posts on this thread lately. Ideally I would like to see more group rp, not just individual rp's.

I can see this as a good thing as tbf, the few times when I've tried hunting I was just driving around in circles from one spot to another and maybe found one rabbit in all my tries, while I hear people come back with bags full of gain. Maybe there is a secret we don't know.

DIPLOMACY and ACTION

I love to follow your stories and all, but one thing I have noticed and it starts to look like a spam of content is the fact that several of your members would either post screenshots from the same scenario or even do the same story like you just did in the last 2 posts from WCA member. I understand that publicity is important, but it just starts to look like attention seeking for the thread. I believe your organisation has enough well know community members and your activity is good enough to not do it that way. Wouldn't you agree?