OBESE

Yes, he does have 24hr KoS on you. He cannot just assume your identity. He would have to see you in exactly the same outfit and mask to be able to tell it's you. Here is the copy+paste from rules: Killing a player without warning or roleplay is allowed only within 24 hours of: • Your life being threatened not including law enforcement aiming weaponry. • The life of your friend or ally is presently being threatened or if you have witnessed it happen. • A player attempting to steal your assets worth greater than $75,000 not including vehicles. So when you robbed the person, most likely you used weapon and aimed at the person, so in that way you threatened their life, that gives them KoS rights. If someone has KoS and you were wearing a mask, then just change your clothes and it should deny any chance the person would be able to recognise you.

Where do you have data that this is English speaking community? I believe this community is heavily based on people to whom English is their second language and then probably the same amount or close to that to whom English actually is first language. I would like to see more reasoning for this suggestion.

Yeh, stop discriminating against my Burka!

I will be honest - there is a reason why such large group of people on the server is saying what they are. There is big issue with Police force and pardon me, but not everything is as beautiful and correct as you are putting it down here. I am a person that looks for reason and logic in every situation and Im not gonna be salty just because I got arrested or because my weapons were taken. No, if there was a proper arrest, if there was good enough reasoning, I will accept it and go with the flow. Sadly it is rarely like that. You in PD have so many rules and such strict organisation on "enforcing" the rules, when in reality it is not even close to that. As an example you could use the same things about what is a probable cause and what is not. The fact that police officer has to be 100% sure of the crime done by the individual, not just winging. You will say - if you have been mistreated and bla bla, use the gov forum. Been there, done that, and after two reports, that I had to wait to be looked at for 3 IRL weeks, I just got stronger taste in my mouth of police corruption/powergaming. Same as in RL, when Police has done you wrong and you have tried to show that and you still get a spit in your face in the end, you just lose the trust in police and if you lose the trust in Police, then what do you think is going to happen? We here are talking about Police image that you have to maintain and take it seriously. I know you do occasionally discharge people from police force, but to be honest, not often enough. If you think Im full of bullshit, then here is a little taste of bullshit Im talking about:

To be honest "the way it is" is just plain sad. All this is a legacy we show to the newcomers and when the newcomers are not newcomers anymore, they will show the same example to the newcomers of that time, because that's what they experienced and that is the legacy we pass along. It is up to every single roleplayer of the server to change that, but it wont happen. Then we have the big shots, the big influential people, like gang leaders that could control their people actions to some point to change this legacy, but even they are not interested, so in the end we have bunch of non-caring people playing on the server because they cannot be bothered and are at the point in game where they are not affected by any of this, so no interest in changing it.

Well, I can tell you that you already have made the first step into improving your roleplay quality by just creating this post and seeking for advice. Of course I am not gonna give you no detailed information about the world of eclipse as you will have to see it for yourself and learn on your own. But when it comes to roleplay at it is I can give you few pointers. *Follow the rules! *Act as you would think your character would act in real life. *Do not roleplay to come out as a winner from every situation. *Every single detail you think you can add to your roleplay is worth it. There is no such thing as bad detail. *Do not get discouraged if you feel your roleplay is plain. You will learn and improve. *Stay in character at all times. If you feel other involved party is breaking a rule, still roleplay and just report after the play. These are few general tips you should always follow. If you have any specific questions, feel free to ask here or you can always PM me if anything. Hope to see you on the battlefield!

Oh I definitely agree with this, but not all the cases, like crashes would actually be about bleeding out. The other day I crashed on a bike by touching a pole and due to fact I had around 65% of health, I got injured. So I lost maybe another 15%-20% of health which could be a broken leg or arm or stuff like that. It's just that the script is written like that and you keep bleeding out when you get injured. It would be cool to have injured status based on the amount of health % you lose in that one hit. Some of the crashes that happens on 200km/h should send your straight to MD without a chance to call for MD. While something like falling off the roof or falling off your bike should.

Hello again Eclipsions! Yet another day and yet another idea. Of course, as every other idea it is based on my personal and probably other people experience on the server. So we all been in that situation where we ride bit too fast and hit that pole, or you get clapped or something else happens that you are on the ground, injured and unable to do nothing than call the medic. In agony you still manage to get your phone out of your pocket and dial that 911 and call the medic. Now you just wait in hopes that Medic will be quick enough. Now after the scenario presented above, we probably can say that it is 50/50 if not even 40/60 that the Medics will come. Not blaming medics as they are understaffed and have their hands full. [Suggestions aka TL:DR part] When the medic accepts the call you automatically stabilise. Basically you stop bleeding out. That would give the medic a chance to get to you, role-play with you and deliver you to the hospital in case if their response is bit too late to get to the individual. Yes I understand that this might be a tricky suggestion as there are some gains and also some losses to it. Now it could take longer for medics to respond due to the fact that they would have to actually go to every call they respond to as the patient would not just go to coma [tp to MD]. But at the same time it would save Medics from going half way over the map to a call and receiving cancelled call as the injured individual passed out. As always, leave your thoughts and add if you have something to add on this matter! Thank you for your time! OBESE

And then again, would adding more houses change the situation? Because if how I see this is - new houses are added and all the people who have houses already, and have money, will just buy them out and the newcomers or only one house owners wont get nothing again and will have to purchase a re-sell for higher price.

Yes, please, please, add this. It just takes too much space as it is and does not quite allow us to be able to change styles as often we would like. And also that's why we see all the clothing items dropped on the streets.

When a member calls, everyone shows up...especially if the member is General's fiancee! And then, of course, some unexpected stuff happens that leads to two members in coma...

I totally understand and feel what you're saying. I as someone who's been on Eclipse for 2 months, am sorry for your bad experience as you are right when you say that a lot of New Players get through the application process and then mess up the whole experience to everyone. I wish you could meet me or someone else who does respect a good roleplay and enjoys it. I would not want you to leave because of this bad timing while we all adjust to the current situation. I hope you will give more chances to this server as unfortunately the actions of the players are not our, so how could we be held responsible for that. Thank you for your insight on the matter and I believe that admins appreciate hearing such experience from a new player, even it's negative.

I can totally see this to be a thing, but at the same time the punishment system is not that bad, maximum you can get for shit loads of crimes is caped at 120min aka 2 hours. I like the idea as it is, but do not think it is needed addition.

It could be like part of existing faction, definitely not police because I believe they already have too many departments. But it could be like extra part for DOC maybe?

Hello all Eclipsians! Today I come to you with a suggestion due to the excessive amount of new players joining our server. A lot of these new players have never played role-play before and they have no knowledge or experience. That itself is not a bad thing as you can learn and we are here to help. But how do we make sure that the person, upon joining the server and wondering the streets of Los Santos, actually has the simple knowledge and understanding of RP that the server requires? The quiz is there and the written exam as well. We see a lot of people fail due to lack of knowledge, but then on the other side we see a lot of people pass it, but totally fail when allowed into the server. Such bad experiences and interactions do mess up the older player base role-play experience and upon allowing someone new into the server we have to make sure that the person will add to the experience, not take away. [Suggestion - TL:DR part] I suggest adding another legal faction - Los Santos Border Control - LSBC! This faction would be the one that is dealing with newcomers of the server and who's job is to actually confirm their knowledge and educate if needed via actual role-play! After the quiz and written exam is passed they would arrive at LS Airport where they have to go through the border control. The whole experience would be designed to introduce the newcomer to basic roleplay in terms of /me's and /do's and test their knowledge. It would consist of simple tasks that a border control officer would perform, like checking passport(licence), doing a body scan, inviting them to an interview room and asking for some simple questions as to "why are you here", "do you know anyone in town" and stuff like that. If the person shows understanding between IC, OOC, /do, /me and officer does not see no issues, then the person is let into Los Santos and is free to start their story. If by any chance the person shows lack of knowledge of the basic RP, then the outcome is really up to administration to decide. It could be explained on the spot via ooc method or denied entry meaning the person would have to try to educate themselves, ask on discord about stuff they dont understand and try the last phase again in maybe 4 hours, same as application cool-down. How to deal with it would come down to the level of lack of the knowledge. It is important for the whole community that we do our best to make sure we are met with at least average level of role-play, otherwise we will gain reputation of a bad RP server community due to the fact that large amount of newcomers do not understand basics. The screening system that we have at the moment is suppose to check for that, but unfortunately it allows the person to cheat while actual live role-play would make that task way harder even if someone would still assist, but even then the individual would see a real example how things work and learn. Just for laughs (Might have been trolling, but it's not far from truth we see) - I hope you will like this suggestion and consider it as I believe it would gradually improve the overall role-play experience and in matter of fact bring in new role-play with a new faction. Feel free to comment and add to my suggestion if you see how you could improve this idea.

I get that, and Im talking about those zones as well. If we would now give criminals option to chose - follow fear rp or not, due to the fact they are in crime zone, then we would see like 80-90% of the situations being treated without following the fear rp. For the same reason there is not just IC but also OOC rule in PD about corruption, because the amount of corrupt cops would be unrealistic in ratio to the amount of police in general. The same would be with this.

Yeah, but if Fear RP will be ignored, then people will take their chances with trying to fight instead of doing what is asked, because if both situation go wrong, then the outcome will be the same. By being allowed to pull out weapon and try to defend, gives at least slight chance of turning the tides around, therefore it will be overused.

Nah, I totally see your point but at the same time it would just turn into DM, because crime zone or not, you have to fear for your life. If you get a jump on and they are aiming at you, you should not do stupid things. I always look at stuff like that - if you are willing to do a CK in case you're not successful, then do it. If not, then don't do it with a knowledge that they gonna rob you anyways and if you die, you will resurrect.

And how I am suppose to correct those wrongs if I have no information available to even recognise them as wrongs in the first place? This suggestion does make the server objectively better by adding another element of RP. It has nothing to do with serving self interest. Like i said, if the officer has done everything by the book, then he should not worry about what the criminal is saying. if he has not, well then the criminal has all the rights to point out those mistakes based on the rulebook.

It feels that the only argument why not to have the information public is because it would create discomfort to the police officer conducting the arrest. Of course criminals will quote the rules, but how is that an issue? If you as a police officer are doing everything correctly by the books, then there is no issue there. If you are not and you are mistreating the suspect, well who's fault is it then that the suspect has a case against you? Definitely not suspects!

You missing the point, Im not saying that it feels like powergaming because they are not sharing info, I say that rp from police feels like powergaming as there is not much you can rp against when officer has made their mind. Even your screenshot says in the first bulletpoint - Other players must be given a chance to roleplay outcomes of actions - so what are the chances given? How can I roleplay outcome of an action? What is usually done? Two things, either someone will try to run or jus obey, but the outcome will always be the same - behind bars. Why there are no one playing as a lawyer? Because there are nothing a lawyer on this server could work on to try to free his client or lessen his/hers sentence.

Powergaming in a way that after the police officer has decided in his head that you're guilty you're guilty and there is not much chance you will get away. It's not the fact that I don't know the rule book, it the fact that I cannot appeal or have a chance to get out of the situation. It's a two stop journey if you lucky, could just be one stop journey. Last night I got imprisoned for the third time of my characters history and I would say that this was the first time where I honestly was 100% guilty and there was nothing to add to it, except the 190km/h delivery speed through the town, ignoring traffic and red lights with no sirens on. The reason why IRL such materials are available is because in reality Police and Government are public's servants, we, the public are the one you serve, not other way around, so as any employer we have the right to know everything that does not affect no one safety or process of investigation.

Yeah, what I meant was that as a civilian I dont know that , because I do not have information on how police works and what they base their decision on. In such situations I see that I have just called police, gave them my statement of a crime, pointed out the criminal and all the police does is have a friendly chat, like they friends from a local pub. I don't want you to look at this as a negative option to give. I believe it just adds to the roleplay and just because you have often experience with bad characters or baiters, does not mean this is a bad idea. That being said we can see an obvious division in support between those who's characters are police and who's not. Not a single individual with a police character is for the idea as it seems they are afraid from such information being public. And when you try to hide something from public, it means you have something to hide. If you gonna say that Im full of shit, then as an example I can put down the fact that my criminal character was delivered to station on 190km/h with no sirens on, for no reason to rush, from one side of city, to another and if I would not have the small experience I had and chance to see the expectations of police officer, I would assume there was nothing wrong with it. Not here to argue, just trying to show my reasoning for this suggestion and find a strong reasoning why this would be a bad suggestion.

Never said all and not the ones that police uses. It should be adjusted versions, meant for public as reference as how police works. Like even the thing when You get robbed, you call police and then point out the robber, police is not allowed to do nothing due to the fact that they did not witness it.

I know about the attorney part and when it's given, Im just pointing out the usual, when you have no way to prove your innocence in rp way. But the fact that you say that LAPD in real life has public handbook, that just proves my point. As a police, your way of working should be transparent, not hidden. Of course Im not talking about special operations like SWAT and shit.