Maccy

Looking forward to meeting you guys ICly for some good modification RP

I'm a strong believer that factions are not forever, especially those of a criminal nature. However the mentality that in order to win an overall conflict one faction must be pushed into disbandment or into leaving the server is not the way it should go down. I definitely agree that official war declarations should be utilized more frequently and defined victory conditions should be set. I also believe players need to start thinking outside the box in terms of conflict RP, do something interesting that the faction you're in conflict with will enjoy on an OOC level. If your character is getting into gunfights on an almost daily basis you're starving yourself of quality RP you could be having outside of the action. Even during the most intense conflicts, shootouts should be a once/twice a week occurrence so that every player has a chance to develop their characters during the conflict and reducing the amount of shootouts happening would go a long way to increasing the possibility of de-escalation before victory. To summarize: Conflict should be fun and interesting. Factions should maintain good OOC relations with enemy factions especially at the height of escalation. Shootouts should be coming at the end of arcs, not every time a gang member is robbed. Factions should be disbanding due to their own internal stories, not at the behest of others overpowering them. We're all here to have fun at the end of the day and it's never going to be fun if players are losing costly items on a daily basis. The OOC toxicity stems from frustration that hours of collecting cash are gone in mere minutes. This wouldn't be the case if we slowed down on the action and looked outside the box aiming to ensure that not only ourselves, but the people we're RPing with are having fun too.

Community Outreach Being on a different schedule to the rest of the Jackboyz meant G.W had to do things mostly by himself during the earlier hours of the day. Being the social butterfly that he considers himself to be though, this wasn't so much of an issue for the man. Over the course of the past few days he's made efforts to introduce himself and the Jackboyz name to some of the larger or otherwise friendlier sets in the city, making sure they know which block belongs to the Jackboyz and how anything outside of that small corner of paradise is not of concern. After some successful interactions with the boys in the Lost MC, Ballas, Goblinos and Six Seven, G.W felt comfortable that the Jackboyz were making themselves known. He made some contacts within the Lost to set up a little street fight where they could bet some money in friendly competition and was waiting to hear from the Ballas to do the same. All whilst preparing for the Jackboyz biggest venture to date...

Gerald Williams, educated, religious, bisexual. Everything that your typical gangbanger is not stereotyped to be. While his father was never in the picture, he had as good an upbringing as his mother could give him. Smart enough to get grades good enough to go all the way to university despite deciding to drop out in the first year. Once out of university he spent a lot of time at home cooking up beats on his laptop attempting to make it big. Eventually, after getting sick of having to go out to his dealer at least once a day, he decided to begin growing in his house. After a while and some recruitment the operation grew exponentially. He began selling to the entire estate and played it smart so there was no heat that came back to the operation itself for a long time. But thanks to some relationship mistakes, his boyfriend at the time decided to go to the police providing evidence on the whole grow house operation. Police raided the house, putting G.W and his brothers away for a few years. After getting out at the age of 28, he moved back in with his mother and began to jack cars to steal stereos and electronics to make a small amount of money to buy grow again. Through the power of social media his mother found the woman that his father had moved onto over in the US, discovering that G.W had a brother, Deon. After exchanging a few emails, G.W made the decision to uproot and travel to Los Santos to meet up with his brother D.W, and managed to find him after a few days of travelling around and getting used to the city. It was like they'd known each other their whole lives, D.W was a mean motherfucker but the blood they shared between them allowed G.W to take the lead and calm him down in certain situations. There was a level of trust that couldn't be bought or earned. After spinning the block a few times on the south side and finding it to be suspiciously quiet, they made the decision to start rebuilding the community and not two days after, G.W spotted a brother on the block. DeMarcus introduced himself and they immediately started to hit it off, he told G.W about his small set that held Brogue and Macdonald, the Jackboyz. DeMarcus wanted to see what G.W was made of, so he asked him to get up on the bars and give him a few reps. After he was convinced he was cut out for the Jackboyz, he took his shirt off and told G.W to throw a couple punches. The brothers exchanged a few hits and laughs and it was obvious that they were both as competent in a brawl as each other. DeMarcus asked G.W about his story and after hearing about the operation quickly appointed him Triple OG. He tossed him keys to his momma's house and the stash house and they went to get him some blue drip. G.W began to meet the rest of DeMarcus' family and brought his blood brother D.W into the set. The companionship and tight knit nature of the set was not to be underestimated. The brothers could sit on the block for an hour and not get bored, however not was all sunshine and daisies. The absence of a large southside presence had led Los Santos' biggest gang to settle themselves there, the Police Department. The set had laid ground rules to never push the cops and get yourself unnecessarily locked up but the unfortunate reality is a brother always gotta watch his back. Despite how smart G.W wanted to play it, some of the Police Department didn't wanna hear his stories, and he found himself locked up over a silly failure to comply charge. He realized whilst sat in the cell that if the Jackboyz wanted to keep their set off the cops radar they were going to have to play it real smooth and brand themselves as the community that they were at heart.

Born in the late 1980s in Scotland, Kofi moved with his parents to LS in the mid 90's amid. They moved as they lived in a rougher more impoverished area of Scotland where the colour of their skin was not something common at all within the area. Figuring that Kofi was best brought up in an area where people were more accepting, or at the very least were the same, they bought a house on Grove Street and thus began Kofi's introduction to the Ballas. At first he was teased for his accent but due to the brotherhood that came with the territory he quickly earned the affectionate nickname 'Scot'. Scot met many kids who had family within the Ballas and quickly began to get pulled into the set. By his late teens and early 20's he was efficiently working the corners and holding off the impending threat that the Grove Street Families posed from Forum Drive. By '03 Scot was one of the most proficient dealers within the set and was starting to make his name heard with the higher ups. However it all changed one night when he and one of his closest companions JJ headed to the gas station to pick up some papers for a few blunts. A lone youngster from GSF was looking to make a name for himself and decided to hit the store after seeing Scot and JJ enter. After a brief but deadly shootout resulting in the loss of both JJ and the youngster, cops turned up at the store whilst Scot was holding JJ in his arms. Knowing he had the Tec-9 still on him and that JJ had breathed his last breath, he jumped out the store into his Manana and hit the gas. Unfortunately the shell shock from the death of his friend led him to make a mistake in a corner and he ran straight into the corner of the La Vaca Loca burger joint on Macdonald Street. After a brief foot pursuit, Scot was able to lose the cops and he hid in an underpass near Brogue. He gave the Tec a quick wipe over with his shirt and ditched it in the grass and bushes nearby. Unfortunately the cops searched the Manana and impounded it leaving Scot with no vehicle and a lot of heat on him. He made the decision to get outta town and got the first flight back to Edinburgh. Whilst waiting for the heat to die down, he heard about the shootout in '13 and the dead brothers and sisters as well as all the one's locked up for many years he chose to stay in Scotland until their sentences were spent. Now those years have passed and Scot has taken a flight back to LS to reconnect with the old set which he considers to be his true home. He is a Balla for life.

+1, Adding a stop on the Paleto route on the north side of DOCs outer circle and a stop on the city route at the south side of DOCs outer circle would be a boon for the drivers who can interact with people and prisoners coming out of the DOC

+1, Specifically for the limit to responding units to crime I had a situation yesterday where myself and an IC friend were chopping a car, a PD officer had called it in and 6 units pulled up amassing to around 10 officers. For 2 criminals who in the end weren't even charged due to lack of any evidence. As stated by Dunbar this is in no way the fault of PD or SD. It is simply a reactionary result of large scale criminal activity as you can never be sure if one criminal might turn into 15+. A limit to the amount of criminals doing a criminal activity together and in turn a limit to the responding units to said activity I feel would provide a wholly more balanced playing field for criminals. As Prozacel says, this will not limit gang sizes or any kind of RP outside of criminal activity. You would only need to limit yourselves when you plan to do something. Lost MC can still have all of their members hanging in stab city, Irish can still have all their members on steamboat opening night and the socializing between activities would not be limited. A gang can still roll full force to the pier if they plan on fishing with the homies for a while. And if a group of 5 criminals wanted to roll up to the pier to start a beef with said gang, the defending gang would not have to disperse and could defend in full force. If they wished to retaliate they would then split into 4 or 5 man groups. The only downside to this would be the lack of bigger scenes to take part in, but that's something we as a server are trying to move away from in the first place. It would greatly benefit smaller groups and gangs of criminals and encourage people to stop waiting on RP to come to them in the form of backup calls and go out there and create it with others.

I agree with both the premise of the OP and also what others have said about it going both ways. As alex put it, its an issue with the alias system in general. As a small experiment I created an IC reason for my crim character to always wear a mask, being part of his religion. I've found that almost everyone I've had any meaningful interaction with remembered me with the mask constantly on, they didn't have to pull my name from an alias and I have not aliased a single person in return and am able to recall meaningful interactions with them too if they made an impression on me. If they didn't make an impression on me I don't remember them which seems entirely realistic to me. The one issue that arises from this is text RPers, its possible to recognize a text RPer in person but over a radio it is practically impossible unless they type as if their character is speaking with a specific accent. I would love to see a rework to the system but the last point I made is the biggest point of discussion when it comes to it. How do we rework the alias system and ensure text RPers aren't completely left behind. On a side note, often times LEO characters may alias for the sake of quickening the flow of roleplay when they're searching records in an MDC and such rather than scrolling back through their chatbox for the license name, they don't do it with evil intent.

Check out our new post by the lovely Don and Asbo about our faction import the D10, on the front page!

-1 For these reasons The bigger issue is no one is attempting to stand out and be recognizable, the fact that even after this change people are still asking my crim to take off his mask is baffling to me considering how much I push to make him a unique character. If you can't recognize someone through their voice and personality/character then you probably haven't had a meaningful interaction with them and shouldn't recognize them easily. Once people start to get used to it I think people will start to get used to remembering those that they interact with frequently and push to make themselves standout

-1 I can only speak from personal experience but with a reduction to extended shadow distance I now see drops of 10fps which is well within acceptable limits for me considering the RP that can now be performed in these seemingly even more remote areas. It feels more realistic to have an actual redwood forest outside of Los Santos versus sparse desert like we've gone from LA to Vegas outskirts in a second. The visual verticality and scale it adds is worth the perf hit too imo. I haven't streamed yet personally so my experience may change with OBS running.

Love the source material and how you're adapting it onto Eclipse, the thread itself is a beaut in terms of both writing and graphic design. Hope you guys can go a long way with this!

+1 I've always been for any kind of change that mimics actual memory retention as it can be immersion breaking to constantly have people aliased who I don't even remember OOC let alone IC, no matter if I RP that I don't know them it takes you out of it a bit. I'd prefer a system with this and also the ability to have a keypress that disables alias' altogether for those that want to be more immersed in their RP experience. Keeping the ID system would be needed for larger scenes/conflicts though on account of text RP. Also regarding faces being remembered, voices are also a large part of remembering a person too, if not even more noticeable. Whilst some don't use voice on the server I can remember a large portion of people without needing to see an alias just by voice.

Big +1 especially for random car spawns. I would think perhaps making underused car parks (such as piers actual parking lot) have random vehicle spawns would not only decrease the frustration and somewhat unrealistic rates at which cars can be stolen when they're left anywhere other than right beside you or at an NCZ but also increase immersion as these seemingly barren spots around the city will begin to fill with vehicles and make things feel just a touch more lived in. It's also as you mention, a big boost for crim RP, especially those just starting out as they have more options available to them other than running aimlessly and hoping for a jackpot.

@freshprinceIE The point you make about copyrighted music is a good one and I'd perhaps edit the rule to include (excludes copyrighted music) on account of 5 seconds of a copyrighted song not being an issue at all, especially for streamers with music that tends to be going over the top of it. As for how an RP server and Twitch would be compatible it's 100% possible. It's just whether the community would be willing to see that change.

As someone who has joined the relatively small, but seemingly growing again, streaming community on Eclipse it's become apparent to me how draining it can be to stream in public places on ECRP. The clarification to racism being GrossRP and requiring consent for it was a great move back in august however derogatory terms which are not safe for stream are still rife when characters get heated and into arguments. It is still racist for a white character to drop any N-bomb no matter whether it contains a hard R or not. I would love to see an addition to the rules as follows: Players must adhere to Twitch TOS at all times unless specifically given consent in private areas by those they are interacting with to break it I think this would go a long way to making streamers feel safer streaming on the server (especially those with larger followings that have more to lose). And growing a substantial streaming community would be more viable, giving the server much more reach and potentially bringing in numerous new players who may be able to provide quality RP after being educated by said streamers with interesting characters. It would also provide people with ways to showcase quality RP to existing players who may in turn learn techniques to improve their own RP and standards. I understand GrossRP already covers a lot of the main factors of Twitch TOS however clarifying that all TOS must be adhered to would be a big boon to our streaming community and make it more clear that any type of derogatory term is not permitted such as N-bombs with an A, F*g, R*tard etc. as those are not conducive to a healthy, friendly and welcoming RP environment. I'm all for giving people the freedom to RP how they want but there are so many ways to RP outside of simply being offensive characters with prejudices.

Really good looking thread, super clean and some nice graphics. Hope you guys can bring this level of effort to RP and get some civ RP going!! Good luck!!

+1 My own touch on this suggestion would be to do a complete handling overhaul and balance vehicles better by stock, once a complete overhaul to the handling of cars has been performed you could then fine tune using your suggestion. The only drawback is on the dev side and I'm sure there'd be a way to get around it such as creating personal client-side handling.meta files for the owner of the vehicle, however as the stats you mentioned are all stored in the handling.meta I assume it'd be a bit of a task bringing these server side so that anyone getting in the vehicle would feel the benefits of your personal tune. Overall I love the idea of adding this level of RP for both mechanics and every sort of player on the server and adding the financial/time sink for people dedicated to the car culture.

I agree regarding the Sabre Turbo Custom however the other 3 are vastly different variants of the stock models and I believe that they wouldn't detract from the already existing market for them

The RP scenario with the D10 is when we became aware of the compatibility issues with the current /modview. I +1ed the idea of adding new vehicles however I realistically expect Osvaldon to add the WI and Modview compatibility to the new cars once the larger GTA Online expansion drops later this year (As per the R* newswire post that went up just before the summer update)

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@ITZ_THE_F0NZ They've already publicly announced they're working on a new /modview menu that will bring new customization options as well as fixes for the performance and visual bugs that have been persisting, rest assured they've been working on this for a month or two now

Good luck, thread looks nice and I like the idea of an anarchic group considering your IC reasoning

Ever since his first memory of being sat with a steering wheel in his hands, and feeling the power of the engine course through his body at the turn of the ignition, Maccy Kentworth has adored all things with four wheels and a motor. Perhaps stemming from his need to understand the inner workings of all things, he has educated himself on vehicles as much as humanly possible. Whilst he may have come from a bad environment and his past may be strewn with bad choices, since meeting his now wife Bez Kentworth he has turned his life around and started completely fresh. A now fully legal man living in Los Santos he has started to dedicate himself to acquiring a collection of automobiles to rival that of the richest in Los Santos, and whilst some vehicles may be completely out of his reach he plans to give the same care and attention to the maintenance of the cheapest daily drivers as he will those cars of premium status. Maccy started by using the most basic and easy to understand classifications for his first goal. That goal was to own a vehicle from each classification. And after pouring many hours into Bayview and freelance work he finally hit it, but there was something missing. Something one of a kind unique with a story. One night Maccy was hanging out with the born american members of Burnout Nation. He had just finished recruiting Jon McCornish and James Hawkes and them and a couple of their buddies had invited him and Don Mozzarella out for an offroad drive. They headed down to the Redwood Lights offroad race track and were having fun throwing their trucks around on the dirt for a while. Once everyone had got a bit bored and was waiting for a Mechanic to come down and tow a stalled Everon, Maccy decided to take his Rebel off the beaten path a bit. He came across a barn and spotted a beautiful but dilapidated and abandoned car inside. The 1959 Enus Stafford. He grabbed a tow truck from Bayview once there were some mechanics on duty and Manager Don had given him permission and drove down to the barn to tow the wreck back to bayview. He stored the shell in the back of Bayview and quickly began scouring the internet and local parts shops for anything to restore the car to its former glory. After sometime and a lot of effort, he was able to turn the key and bring the V8 engine to life. With a sizable collection, money isn’t the only issue that arises. Parking and Government vehicle registrations become major problems. With only a few spots left in each of the city and paleto parking garages, Maccy has his sights set on purchasing a few properties in the city purely for the garage space. A future goal to be sure but one he’s keeping in mind as the collection grows.

Good luck Hugo bossman