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As for this, i then proceeded to attack the idea both before and after the comment i made about you and this suggestion. This was not meant as a direct attack, but rather a matter of fact. You are suggesting something that would barely, if at all impact most of your RP. While it would heavily hinder the RP of others and their experience on the server. making them wait 4x longer AFKing or having a very boring experience in prison while you would drop them off at prison and just go to another call.

I CBA'd doing this as legal RP does not entertain me. I can see your point, but what would me making another suggestion that has been made 10 times before about better prison RP and prison jobs. There have been many suggestions regarding this issue, me making another to repeat the points made in the previous would not change anything. Similar to how many clothing suggestions have we had? closets, outfit sets, etc. Making another one will not change anything, it has been done many times before, and reviewed by staff also. The devs know the prison RP is an issue, and its why they put back the ability to AFK in prison.

Right you mean DOC should not RP like it is IRL and have a proper regime with prisoners with a certain time to do certain things. Rather leave prisoners to interact with themselves while DOC does nothing, sit outside, rarely if ever talk to prisoners. After an hour of chatting, it can get boring. a lot of people use the time in prison to go do stuff IRL, go for a walk, cook, do chores. This is what i mean. i have spent 2 hours straight of prison time talking to friends. I have also alt tabbed the second i was booked. It is a case by case basis and currently the prison lends itself to little to no RP due to the limitations of it, and DOC not doing much. It is a prison, and should be RPed as such instead of letting prisoners do whatever they please.

IRL sure. but not ingame, you dont get a phone call. also, as for your second point. Houses HAVE to be used to store stuff, there are no hidden warehouses, or any other discreet location you can hide items in as they are not scripted. IRL the weapons,ammo,drugs, etc. would not be in the smugglers house, there would be hidden locations, shell companies places that are not as obvious as your home, or another alias/ fake ID you would have your house under. You cant dig holes to hide stuff, buy shipping containers in the shipping yard to store alot of guns behind the legal front of lets say... a toy company, you can do none of this. You need to store your items in your home. big -1 as it would remove alot of the criminal RP and detective RP. Whats the point of attempting to scout someone as a detective, see where they live, follow at a distance, etc. If you can just wait for them to get arrested, get the house locations (as you are forced to use houses scriptly, no other places to hide items in a building) and raid houses that way.

Thank you for addressing the what i thought was clear banter statement i made, and no other point i made. The reason i said 'bad prison' is because DOC is essentially a kin to the worst prisons in the case that you are locked in, nothing will help you or get you out (no good behavior, etc.) the guards throw you into your cell then dont interact with you, and you are left along with the other inmates to rot in your cell. Care to address any of my other points?

Wait, holy shit. You're telling me, you, a prison guard... Got treated like a guard might in a very bad prison IRL? Edit: theres also a difference between "fun" ICly and OOCly. Prison currently is not fun either ic or oocly, there is nothing to do. If it isnt fun ICly then that is different (i.e annoying jobs you need to work). I don't think most people are crying about DOC RP or crim RP. It's the lack of scripted jobs, and DOC engagement. Every single time i have went to jail, the only interactions i've had with DOC is getting thrown in jail, and seeing other inmates getting thrown in as well. A few riots have been stopped and what have you, but there is no proper routine for prisoners, nothing to do, DOC does not have control over prisoners, they do not have a presence, they do not RP with them consistently. No routine, no nothing. They sit outside the cell areas most of the time, often outside the prison just chilling while the inmates are either AFKing or beating the shit out of each other. I have never went to prison and had DOC establish their presence over the inmates, take control and tell the inmates how the day will happen (RP /mes and dos to jobs, lunch times, etc.) Most of the time its like it this was the worst prison in south america, they throw you in and leave you with the other inmates, never interacting with you after your cell is locked unless another prisoner appears. Then leaving prisoners to do as they please with each other (most of the time beating the shit out of each other or AFKing). YOU are DOC. YOU should establish control of the prison and over the prisoners as guards would IRL. If there is 1 guard vs 20 inmates? sure, then just let them be, you know they will jump you. But how many times have those who drove by doc seen guards chilling outside for a very long time not doing anything when that time could be RPed with inmates and keeping control of the prison. Establishing your presence as the authority of the prison rather than the criminal inmates. You seem to throw the RP blame a whole lot on the inmates despite you guys being supposed to have the control of the prison, and you RPly being in charge. DOC should escort inmates to their cells when the time comes, should bring them to the lunchroom for the 3 meals, should bring the inmates to RP jobs, working, being in the courtyard to work out or play basketball, run, etc. There are 2 parties involved in prison RP and you just threw the blamed entirely on the prisoners despite that the guards should have control over the prisoners, as it is after all their prison. But they dont, they throw the inmates in and leave them to rot and beat the shit out of each other.

The difference is though, that "character" does nearly nothing to interact with prisoners other than throw them in their cell, and roll in en masse when a riot starts, tazing everyone and tossing their ass in their cell to lock them. There is no prison RP between guards and prisoners, no set schedule with RP jobs like you would have to do in prison. There is nothing. I think also what a lot of people mean by 'afking on duty' is that alot of DOC just book the prisoners, then chill outside or doing random things not involving the prisoners. Essentially making it a free for all inside the prison. This is not Prison RP. There should be a set schedule for people to follow, alongside guards actually doing things with prisoners taking them to the lunch room, go work, etc. but there isnt. once thrown in jail the RP is either: Breakout, beat the shit out of each other for no reason, or AFK watching netflix. Most people pick the last as there is nothing to do. The thing is, sure you can use your imagination. But that can only go so far when the only interaction you have is with other prisoners. but what we are talking about here is 8 HOURS of prison time with nothing scripted. no jobs, nothing. this is a full work day we would spend on the server with nothing to do other than imagine /mes and /dos. Sure, we can create this. But every other major faction has scripted things that contribute to the RP. DOC doesnt, prisoners are thrown in their cell, then most of the time left to rot by the guards until another person comes in. Most people afk because being surrounded by concrete walls doing fuckall is not enjoyable. Sure you can do a few /mes and /dos or chat with friends if you got locked up with them. but that is a big IF. This isnt meant to throw shade or anything along those lines, However alot of the suggestions regarding being more harsh on criminals, increasing prison time, etc. has been suggested by what appears to be PD players. It would make their life easier with less criminals and longer jailtime. But they would never/ rarely (in the case of alts) have to face the consequences of the suggestion. They are making their lives easier, and not having to go through their suggestion. such as this one, waiting 8 hours to be able to go out with no scripted anything in prison. 8 hours is the amount that some people play in a week with work, family, etc. wanting them to be forced inside prison with nothing to do is not a good idea in my mind, and would not be healthy for the community with the way things currently are in SADOC.

Refuse or not, most of the time your mentioned things happen is when someone of a high rank of a certain gang has been imprisoned. This is not a standard of RP that is consistent inside DOC. Not to mention the lack of a script to approve prison breaks (i.e cops # check, or whatever else). I have spent 10mins setting up a prison break and waited over an hour for admins to answer, all the while we are just sitting doing nothing waiting on this. We cannot move forwards with plans to collect a hostage until we get the admin go-ahead and this stops prison breaks in their tracks. There should be a script to allow or decline prison breaks, especially if more time is added as more prison breaks will be common then. @alexalex303 It is also very easy to make suggestions as someone who mains a PD character. This would only help your character, less criminals on the streets because more are AFKing in SADOC. But you on your PD character would never have to face the consequences of this equivalent to a full work day in DOC AFKing for a majority of your RP. as Philippe put it: There is little difference right now between admin jail and DOC. Put me in 60mins for DM or for an IC crime, the same thing would happen. Alt tabbed and watch netflix as there is nothing to do in prison other than inmates punching each other, or if someone of a sufficient rank was thrown in maybe a prison break if the staff on at the time actually answer your /report 1 in time. There is little to no RP between DOC and prisoners. I have only ever seen them bust in to stop a riot, or escorting a prisoner to there cell. There is no regime in prison to follow where guards escort you to the job of the day you will do for some money or reduced time, no games to play, no schedule such as: X go eat, X time go do work inside the prison, X time hit the showers, X time free time (scripted games and such). etc. There is fuckall to do in prison. There are a few exceptions such as being thrown in with your friends and you shoot the shit, but even then usually it will turn to "ok, ill be back when my time is over, see you then". Then everyone AFKs. All im saying is there is a reason the devs removed the ability to afk in prison, then added it back so you can AFK 3 days later. There is nothing to do in prison. Oh yeah, and -1

what we need is ERP animations

+1

That would be similar to someone saying ' I didn't DM, i RPed a terrorist and i was killing innocent civilians'

Yesterday drove around collecting corpses and making a secret pile. 10/10 update Mr. NBDY

14. Deathmatch (DM) ● Deathmatching is the act of attacking a player or their property without a proper roleplay reason. ● Examples of valid reasons to attack another player: • If they attempt to arrest or hurt you, an ally, or damage your property. • If they report you to the police for a serious crime. • If they are not in compliance with demands, attempt to escape, or call other players for help in a Considering how you said that they parked it in a bad spot, im gonna guess you didnt have any of those requirements on the owner... You just recorded 30mins of yourself breaking the rules @Shid_Dawg Lmao

People cannot call you to get you to come and then rob you. I see what the government workers are talking about in this thread though. A lot of petty thieves make their living off of robbing taxi drivers, weazel, etc. +1 to this suggestion, but they should still pay the 10k re-register fee IMO.

I sure as hell cannot speak for everyone, but I am in zetas, and i sell guns and ammo to everyone it doesn't matter who they are with. I did it with vice and with nearly every other group we are at war or on edge with. I just add a premium to it because of our standings. With the new laws, i can nearly guarantee you a lot of people with permits will make a business out of selling firearms illegally. Not to mention that now pistol imports will be used more. For the illegal players on the server it will make it not as easy to get a weapon if you haven't played a long time and have a stash of them, or have the resources/connections to get them yourself in different means. You can still get weapons, you just need to work for it. RP looking for people, friends, hookups that can get them to you. See how reliable they can be with deliveries, how many pistols you can get. Etc.etc.etc. Will it be as easy as it was before? of course not, it will also be more expensive. This isnt a +1 or -1 as i am not sure what you are exactly suggesting. you put up a general idea, but got no final thought or suggestion in this post.

Correction to the original post: I have been told it is doable in all homes.

Thank you NBDY, Very cool!

Well, yes and no. It might be possible but that means since it was out up for sale all those years ago the original owner never placed it. The stash remains where the previous owner placed it unless you change it. The fact that the "you must be the owner of the house to place the stash" (or whatever) appears means it is nearly guaranteed to be the case. I probably have spent over 3hours total in different occasions.the stash is not inside, it is outside.

Date and time (provide timezone): around 10:50PM EST Character name: Jonathan Mercer Issue/bug you are reporting: Being able to bug your stash in another bugged 'dimension' of LS. This specific house is Wild Oats Dr. 43, but there are many homes you can do this with if memory serves. Expected behavior: Only being able to do /stashspot within the area of your home. Evidence, notes worth mentioning, steps to replicate: Go to certain homes (i believe this is only the trailer park interior houses, but i am not certain). Teleport in and out until the door once inside shows itself as open, and walk through it. (I did an anim with someone who did it to get onto the other side to show for this video the bug.) once outside, it seems to be a different dimension of LS (unsure on the proper terminology) and you can put the stash literally anywhere on that phase/dimension as it counts all of it as being your house. as you can see i did /stashspot and it said only the owner can change the location of the stash, that message does not appear in regular open-world on the server. As you can see from the very long video, we checked every spot in that house including the "jump spots" multiple times before (once spending over 1hr determined to find it) and no stash was found, this is a house with a bugged stash where the player put it outside in the open world of LS on purpose so it makes his house impossible to raid. (Only the first minute is relevant to the bug report, the rest is for a player report)

This isnt the place for arguing about a report. I was elaborating on this rule and explaining to you the situation at hand. Feel free to make a report about this situation and @ me in it. https://forum.eclipse-rp.net/forum/4-player-reports/ Let's keep this on topic about OP's suggestion.

Of course i asked for torture RP as i find it enjoyable. Deny the request if you find it disturbing or dont want to take part.

Either way the thing is even if the situation had gone the way you explained and the communication was perfect in between Saints, Barbie, etc. it would still have been a rule break. KOS cannot be transferred through coms, only the witnesses of the situation would be granted it making it either way a rule break. Those who witnessed it know it wasn't my vehicle, and the 2 other videos posted are also DMs. Not to mention you are not allowed to KOS purely on a vehicle, there needs to be a positive ID of the person inside as they can lend their vehicle to someone or there can be many similar vehicles with identical colours (despite that not being the case with the rapid GT classic). But that will all be for the admin of the report to decide, so lets wait and see. If you had any issue with what happened at that situation, feel free to report it. We said in both IC voice chat, and explained OOCly to you when you were making these accusations that we were relocating you since we robbed you when/after you hit a store and did not want to wait for cops to show up, this is a pointlessly risky way of going about it. The rules do not bind us to a 10meter radius of the initial contact. We were going to let you go after we got you out to frisk and get your batteries, etc.etc. But one did not comply, and the other died to desync/ricochet which i explained and apologized for on scene. This is the example i always use, and it works perfect to this situation. I cannot speak for everyone in saints or zetas but the first time i heard of the saints because they hit one of Zetas refueling. I rolled up to bayview to see what was up and get to know them, what they're about, etc. I had a very, very long conversation with them especially CJ and their entire goal as they stated was to interrupt zetas operations especially at the chopshop as much as they could but also in other areas wherever they could manage around the city. I very much warned CJ against this as many greater foes have tried, better members, more access to more resources, etc. and they all got taken out but you still decided to go through with it though even after i explained there is also a more peaceful and diplomatic option that would eventually arise. That night we robbed your group i believe 2 different times where you all got killed and we chopped your vehicles. When you make these serious claims to disrupt our business which could also lead to our men getting arrested or killed. This puts a massive fucking target on your back. You cannot say these things and not expect those whom it concerns to not make it their mission to destroy you, they will. The next day you called cops when we were running it 2x i believe, one of which led to one of us getting arrested. All of these actions they took were them trying to poke the biggest bear, yet they are surprised when they get mauled.

-1 There are RP counters to this with /mes and /dos. making an action that is extremely useful to get intel non RP would in no way improve RP. You can steal frequencies to spy on enemies and hit them when they regroup, tell cops, etc. there are many uses to tapping an enemies frequency, none of which should count as NonRP. Burner phones would not allow for multiple to speak on the same voice channel as a radio would, it would be a 1 to 1 call like a normal phone. Please explain how holding a man up and retrieving his frequency be considered powergaming? PG is unrealistic actions taken. I.e driving with handcuffs, swimming around the entire island to avoid getting robbed/arrested. Not taking a guys frequency. Next thing you will claim is what? Detectives are powergaming when swiping for fingerprints?

-1 for it to be added to the rulebook. As @alexalex303 said it's extremely situational, sometimes it is clear FEAR RP to rob those robbing the store, other times it is completely fair play. As it is now the rules cover both fearrp and non RP in a deliberately vague way for them to be applied and determined on a case by case basis as every encounter is different.

Big +1, but this shouldn't just be automatically added on name change for obvious reasons, sometimes people just want to change their name. Edit: Maybe a different menu or more in depth process to CK with previous suggestions implemented such as clearing the alias you have on everyone, and their alias of you also being cleared.