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Date and time (provide timezone): 02/NOV/2020 (GMT+2) Character name: Jason Steel (spike strip) & Cyrus Carver (driver) Issue/bug you are reporting: If you place a spike strip, it does not work for players that stream in after it was placed. Expected behavior: It should pop the tires of all players, regardless of when or where it was placed. Evidence, notes worth mentioning, steps to replicate: Have the car driver go out of streaming range Deploy spike strip Have the car driver drive over it https://streamable.com/7fxldf Vehicle license plate number*: Not relevant, 100% replicable on all cars.

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I think a better solution would be to make a cash an inventory item that you can drag/drop/etc.

I feel that the concept was super gamey, I don't think anyone ever goes to a shootout with a knife thinking he's gonna make bank, but that was a regular thing on the server. I think we should look to replace the money lost with a different more realistic feature, but not bring this back, ever. -1

great job as always @WillowRaven

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I did see the caveat, but you need to remember that with each caveat, you're further complicating relatively straight-forward RP, and introducing more points for OOC issues disagreements. This is a third person game, I personally do not support any restrictions on camera vision because it causes issues. You add desync onto that, and it just becomes a recipe for long arguments. Right now it's very straight forward. Did you do the RP? Do you have evidence? Cool. Whatever you see, you see it. With your proposed solution, it would be like: Is the car a government vehicle? Great. Did you record OOCly? Okay, upload it, okay, but in my opinion, the center right column would block sight of my gun? What do you mean it wouldn't, it's just a small pistol. Well from that angle it doesn't, but if you look like this? Who decides where the dashcam is placed? to the right, to the left, center? So yeah. I don't think it's a bad idea, but I don't think you've considered all the ramifications, and as someone that deals with IC evidence (and the issues above) on a daily basis, I would appreciate a more straight-forward system vs a super realistic one.

I'm not a fan of it. I think that if you want such a huge IC advantage, you should RP it. It's a bit like letting people have gloves without rping them (before they got scripted). I've RPed a dashcam on several occasions, and when I didn't, sometimes I wished I did, but then I lost an advantage because I "forgot to turn it on". I think it's very balanced as it is. -1

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This was done organically via roleplay many times before. Strip clubs used to be really popular a couple of months ago. It kinda died down after a while, but there's nothing stopping you from engaging in that sort of roleplay yourself.

The thing that changed was that you can now buy the same vest that regular officers use, eliminating any OOC advantage.

Good luck, thread looks great.

+1 a hard script limitation would help with uniform adherence to the spirit of the radio changes.

There are a tons of issues with a system like this. Cops being harsher with you after talking shit is a realistic aspect of the game, not something to look down upon. The vast majority of people arrested in the server are people literally getting caught in the act. I don't see what reasonable trials we could have until we have more support for investigative RP, such as wiretaps, listening devices and other long term investigative means are implemented and further developed to be useful on a day to day basis. If an officer witnesses you shooting up someone, you say you wanna go to court, now we get 30+ people involved in RP for a couple of hours, just to send you to prison for 2 hours? For this to be even close to realistic, you'd have to increase prison sentences (10x+), if found guilty by trial. "why? can't we just do it for the RP?", sure, if we had a population of 400 million on the server, we could, but we probably have more criminals than a small state in the US, and if every single one of them demands a trial when they're arrested, it'll grind the system to a stand-still. We don't have the manpower to do 20 trials a day. It would have to be an extraordinary event, just like they are in real life. In the United States, plea bargaining is the most common way people end up in prison, not trial. Those trials you see on shows are the minority. 94% of all federal cases were solved with a plea bargain by 2001. The reason for that is because if you plea, you get time off your sentence, earlier probation, possibility of probation and so on. However, on the server, prison time is meaningless, I've had people say "I'd rather do 9 hours for shooting you than surrender my AK". When was the last time someone acted on that in real life? Would that same person say the same thing, if, with their death their character was locked away forever? Probably not, but here we are. What if the person had to instead face a sentence of 90 hours, if they shot. They could take a plea and make it into 20 hours, or face trial for the full 90 hours. That's a realistic system. That's something that would be fair. However, a good amount of people already consider a 4 hour sentence "an OOC punishment". The idea of a court system on an RP server isn't new, and some SAMP servers were doing it a long time ago, however, in ALL of those servers that I've ever witnessed, the prison times were much higher, and if you asked to go to trial, you would face a harsh increase in sentence, if found guilty. Such a system is a basic requirement to make sure that not every case goes to trial, because, as explained, that would break the system on day 1. Then there's metagaming concerns. Will we have a jury system? If so, where are we drawing the jury pool from? 99% of people on the server are criminal, one way or another. Even mechanics have friends in gangs. We don't have a pool of people that would truly be unbiased. This is before we even consider stuff like alternate character mixing considerations. Just to be clear, I'm not even necessarily stating that people would be acting in bad faith, however, there's a reason why a boss isn't allowed to date an employee within most companies; this other person has power over me. Let's say that I'm John Doe and I have a character in the Red Gang, I've also got a legal alt that was called to be a juror in a case against a leadership figure in the Red Gang. Now, according to proper RP, I should separate those two, and make the decision that makes sense for my character, however, the other person has real power over me in my other character, can I know for sure that he'll be acting in the same good faith? What if he takes my decision personally? Next time I get passed up for promotion, even if he didn't think about it, will I be stuck wondering if that was retribution? This is all before even considering people helping their OOC friends, which has been an issue multiple times in the past, with even pettier things. Then there's the issues of evidence. What is enough evidence for a court of law? Most likely an officer's testimony will sway a jury, but it's not definitive. Real cops started wearing body cameras in quite a few cities, however, in the context of the game, it's unrealistic to ask people to ask people to record every single interaction (as every single interaction could go to trial). People would quickly run out of storage space. At least when you get reported for an OOC rule break, you get asked to save POV for a report. Would you have to get asked to save POV for a trial? There is currently no script support for DNA, lifting fingerprints off of anything other than firearms, and gloves are worn by 99% of criminals, which is another unrealistic aspect, combined with masks being worn by more people during normal city life than people wear them in real-life during a pandemic. All of those NonRP factors contribute to an unrealistic court experience. OJ wore gloves, Ted Bundy wore gloves and a mask. Go by the city bank and see how many people are masked with gloves on. Just to be clear, this isn't an attack on the suggestion, I feel that a court system, could work, but it would require massive changes, a good amount of work (including major script support), and I think that the most fair result will not be well received by people that mostly see it as a way to "stop false charges", when in reality, most charges would hold up in a court, and prison times would go up drastically. This a retort to Mike's point "I don't see how anyone can disagree". There's a lot of issues that weren't addressed, and even more issues that I haven't even thought of, that might only become apparent once the system is live. Are problems or work required a reason not to do something? No, but they are a reason to be more conservative, consider all the repercussions before jumping on a hype train for freedom.