PD Realistic Aliasing.

[zophir]

I've seen footage of multiple cop players streaming and they seem to alias every single person they pull over. This is not against the rules, the alias command exists for a reason. But I find it incredibly unrealistic that your average cop could remember every single person they have pulled  over simple because they saw their license. Maybe if it was a particularly big crime, or the individual had a unique look to him it would be reasonable. But remembering every single person you have ever pulled over? Even for a warning? For a 15 second interaction?

Seems unrealistic. And they then get to roam the world. You could interact with them off duty, they have ABSOLUTELY no idea who you are, but already have your full name? Can't lie or deceive them about it, because they have a photographic memory from when they pulled you over for going 5 km/h over the speed limit 3 months ago.

Am I the only one who thinks this seems a bit problematic?

[GodDammitKopi]

+1

 

[alexalex303]

This is a double edged sword. How many videos do you see with cops named cop21 or cop20 and so on.

Would you really remember every single cop if you saw them off-duty in civilian clothes three months later? No.

This isn't a problem with PD, it's with the alias system in genereal.

[DeRose]

7 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

This isn't a problem with PD, it's with the alias system in general.

+1

[zophir]

I agree it's an issue with the aliasing system, but it seems most exploitable by groups of individuals who are constantly handed player licenses. Perhaps a slight addendum to the non-rp rule section to advise not aliasing players unless you've interacted with them in such a way that you would remember them? 

Unfortunately, I'm not smart enough or experienced enough with the server to provide a solution to the aliasing system, and this rule change would not tackle the crux of it, but it might help alleviate the problem slightly and without specifically targeting PD/SD.

[Victor Einhart]

18 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

This isn't a problem with PD, it's with the alias system in genereal.

+1. This is why people wear masks 24/7 even when it doesn't make sense to do so: they're playing to the alias mechanic.

[JakeInnit_]

Aliases need a rework, they should expire if you don't come into contact with a player in x many days

[zophir]

Expiration of aliases is interesting and a good middle ground!

+1

[GodDammitKopi]

+1 for the idea of alias resetting after a certain amount of time!

[Cyrus Raven]

+1 Alias system in general could use a revamp.

 

Perhaps make it so that all /alias expire after two weeks. However, if someone wants to alias someone permanently they can do /palias ID FNAME LNAME which would send a request to that person asking if they accept (the use case for this would mainly be for faction members, close friends, etc...)

Also, a significant cosmetic change with surgery system should auto clear alias from everyone.

[Bala]

Speaking as a cop who streams and alias' people in this way when I know their IC name, frankly it adds me in starting roleplay with people. 
The amount you can customise your appearance is good, but is still limited to only so many combinations.

Yes, I've used it to ID people for crimes but I've also used it and said hello to people who I might not have engaged otherwise. 

If we can accept that people come back from the dead with short term memory loss, we can accept knowing someone after finding out their name.

[Donovan]

So Cops remembering names is an issue, but crims have 500 more iq and are able to remember all names? I dont get this discussion 

- edit : Forgot to add, while there is a part that I get with this topic, but at the same time, 99.9% of time, I can guess/know who someone is based on their voice, after Ive heard it long enough, but at the same time, charging people based on their voice is not allowed. So by this logic, wearing a mask would mean immunity to charges, unless arrested?

Edited February 26, 2021 by Donovan

[Paulo]

I do agree with the argument that the alias system does have flaws but I believe it's due to the nature of the game. With it being game, you find that the majority of players chose similar generic features to create their characters. Unless they can diversify character creation enough to the extent that each character has a unique appearance, I can't see a solution to resolve this issue.
As previously mentioned, I typically find this works both ways. I've been in law enforcement for over 2 years and during my time, I've obviously upset a lot of criminals. Having been retired since September, I still find people referring to me as "Cop" or being held up due to my past career. 

[Maccy]

I agree with both the premise of the OP and also what others have said about it going both ways. As alex put it, its an issue with the alias system in general.
As a small experiment I created an IC reason for my crim character to always wear a mask, being part of his religion. I've found that almost everyone I've had any meaningful interaction with remembered me with the mask constantly on, they didn't have to pull my name from an alias and I have not aliased a single person in return and am able to recall meaningful interactions with them too if they made an impression on me. If they didn't make an impression on me I don't remember them which seems entirely realistic to me. The one issue that arises from this is text RPers, its possible to recognize a text RPer in person but over a radio it is practically impossible unless they type as if their character is speaking with a specific accent.
I would love to see a rework to the system but the last point I made is the biggest point of discussion when it comes to it. How do we rework the alias system and ensure text RPers aren't completely left behind.

On a side note, often times LEO characters may alias for the sake of quickening the flow of roleplay when they're searching records in an MDC and such rather than scrolling back through their chatbox for the license name, they don't do it with evil intent.

[Eliza]

I agree with @alexalex303 that the alias system needs an overhaul. This isn't just an issue with the law enforcement or criminals; it's a problem with the alias mechanic itself. Both sides are affected, and it's not about one group exploiting it more than the other.

I personally wouldn't mind aliases going away after a certain amount of time without interaction with the person. This seems like a fair solution to prevent unrealistic memory capabilities while still allowing for meaningful roleplay interactions. It's important to recognize that this isn't a case of one side abusing the system but rather an inherent flaw in the alias mechanic that affects everyone equally.

[Quietthecutie]

Hear me out on this one...

 

Perhaps just say fuck it. While an LEOs on duty they cannot be identified through alias, ID number only over their head to anyone who isnt a cop. Vice versa, LEOs can not identify anyone whos not a cop or on duty gov/md/doc etc. employee. 

This would force both cops and crims to actually actively remember eachother through actions, voice, personality and appearance, instead of relying on an incident that happened a few weeks/months/years ago. It also gives cops a reason to rp for ID despite the fact they already know full well who someone is. And this would protect cops to a certain extent being singled out by crims despite the fact that rply PD would be over 1000 strong And most beat cops barely memorable.

[Zion Willard]

On 2/2/2021 at 6:49 PM, Cyrus Raven said:

+1 Alias system in general could use a revamp.

 

Perhaps make it so that all /alias expire after two weeks. However, if someone wants to alias someone permanently they can do /palias ID FNAME LNAME which would send a request to that person asking if they accept (the use case for this would mainly be for faction members, close friends, etc...)

Also, a significant cosmetic change with surgery system should auto clear alias from everyone.

I really like this idea. Being able to permanent alias where it makes sense, but to have them generally expire. I think faction leaders and command should be exempt to this though on both sides as they are more prominent members.

[Freclan]

On 6/21/2024 at 8:19 AM, Quietthecutie said:

Hear me out on this one...

 

Perhaps just say fuck it. While an LEOs on duty they cannot be identified through alias, ID number only over their head to anyone who isnt a cop. Vice versa, LEOs can not identify anyone whos not a cop or on duty gov/md/doc etc. employee. 

This would force both cops and crims to actually actively remember eachother through actions, voice, personality and appearance, instead of relying on an incident that happened a few weeks/months/years ago. It also gives cops a reason to rp for ID despite the fact they already know full well who someone is. And this would protect cops to a certain extent being singled out by crims despite the fact that rply PD would be over 1000 strong And most beat cops barely memorable.

I don't like this. If I meet a civilian or a fellow officer whilst on LEO duty I have no way to remember them. I think a solution to this would be allowing members to accept the alias similar to how players have to accept a duoanim. Additionally, the script support isn't in place to support alteration to the alias system, if LEOs had better script support for identifying criminals through detective RP/GOB RP then I'd be fine with an update to the system. LEOs are quite limited in ways to actually catch criminals compared to IRL methods, for example, there's no DNA or blood system in place.

[starset]

Alias could be easily fixed by just removing it all together. or remove the ID's above each player. You can have aliases so that you can easily send money call etc use commands, add a hotkey taht would show the ID's above each player. But using that hotkey is entirely  OOC.

[Quietthecutie]

14 minutes ago, starset said:

Alias could be easily fixed by just removing it all together. or remove the ID's above each player. You can have aliases so that you can easily send money call etc use commands, add a hotkey taht would show the ID's above each player. But using that hotkey is entirely  OOC.

Incorrect. IDs need to always be readily apparent for the reports system to work.

[Eliza]

1 hour ago, starset said:

Alias could be easily fixed by just removing it all together. or remove the ID's above each player. You can have aliases so that you can easily send money call etc use commands, add a hotkey taht would show the ID's above each player. But using that hotkey is entirely  OOC.

This would make it next to impossible to report a player.

[hrxvey]

1 hour ago, DontSniffSugar said:

This would make it next to impossible to report a player.

how? if that was the case trolls would just walk around crouched everywhere. if someone dms someone or whatever there will be logs, if someone talks u see their id on your screen, one way to counterract this would be to have a bind to toggle id's on/off or a hold to show id's bind

[Quietthecutie]

5 minutes ago, hrxvey said:

how? if that was the case trolls would just walk around crouched everywhere. if someone dms someone or whatever there will be logs, if someone talks u see their id on your screen, one way to counterract this would be to have a bind to toggle id's on/off or a hold to show id's bind

If you cant understand how having an ID system where you can quickly and easily spot and review identities in replays or live gameplay is important to the smooth running of the reports system then I dont really wanna go into more detail besides they tried running without IDs in the past and it was a shitshow.

[Bala]

If you don't want me to interact with you as much, I can get rid of your alias but im more likely to interact with someone if I know that I have had a prior interaction.

Alias system is something that does not need amending, removing, upgrading or anything doing to it at all. Leave it alone, for the love of all that is holy. 

[Elvillainisto95]

On 6/21/2024 at 9:19 AM, Quietthecutie said:

Hear me out on this one...

 

Perhaps just say fuck it. While an LEOs on duty they cannot be identified through alias, ID number only over their head to anyone who isnt a cop. Vice versa, LEOs can not identify anyone whos not a cop or on duty gov/md/doc etc. employee. 

This would force both cops and crims to actually actively remember eachother through actions, voice, personality and appearance, instead of relying on an incident that happened a few weeks/months/years ago. It also gives cops a reason to rp for ID despite the fact they already know full well who someone is. And this would protect cops to a certain extent being singled out by crims despite the fact that rply PD would be over 1000 strong And most beat cops barely memorable.

I aggree with that!