Nerf Cops

[gohena]

50 minutes ago, Yputi said:

What does that have to do with this situation? How does my assets affect my position within PD?

I just feel criminals should be making more money then PD, or at least the same amount feel free to check out this post a while back. personally i don't care i am rich asf ic, it's just really hard for new players to start off as being a criminal there is no money to be made, you lose money being a criminal then anything, half the crims in my gang have legal faction jobs.

 

Edited August 6, 2019 by gohena

[Cyrus Raven]

3 hours ago, FNGJersey said:

One way to solve money transferring while cops are in the Police department is not allow them to /pay only use scripted commands when purchasing items for themselves. Always balanced the economy.

That way admins can keep tabs on what they're purchasing with the massive income for AFK'ing.

same for mechanics.

But cops are supposed to be over powered, Always.

Can you elaborate on this? 

 

[Cyrus Raven]

2 hours ago, Copperhorse said:

The fact that police are driving hakuchou drags and driving comet retro customs is what really gets me. It makes literally 0 RP sense. If you are having trouble pursuing somebody take out the police helicopter. Don't resort to driving personal vehicles. When's the last time you've seen a police officer in real life drive a bike that looks like a hakuchou drag? Or drive a supercar like a Comet Retro Custom? Especially one that isn't even owned by the department, but taken from their own personal garage.

mfw police using expensive vehicles is worse than petty criminals with hundreds of felony charges owning multiple supercars and hakuchou drags. Not to mention the gangs who literally own businesses in high profile places. (AKA, Zeta Store and Wanted Gas station).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not necessarily saying we should change this, but I find it ironic you're complaining about the police and bringing up ''realism'' when gangs on this server are rich as fuck, own businesses and have super/sports cars.

[Cyrus Raven]

1 hour ago, Zion Willard said:

Rightfully so, as it’s powergaming at the moment to do so since there is no appeal system and the moment an officer placed charges they’re irrevocable in essence unless removed by PDHC. 

 The appeal system is OCC/IC IA report and player complaints (if the matter is considered a rule breach). I know it might feel like it doesn't amount to much, but there is, in fact, an appeal system in place. Maybe one that needs improvements.

[Cyrus Raven]

1 hour ago, Bl0wUrFace said:

did you know police radio is actually teamspeak? and even if you remove their radio in game they keep talking  ( i never went on police teamspeak but its possible they have a addon linked to the ingame radio that mute them when no radio is found by the addon)

 

Wait why are you spreading misinformation when you have no clue what you're talking about ? You're plain wrong.

For those wondering this is how it works.

- Law enforcement agencies and emergency services have the in-game radio (P), they use it as any other player would. They call out pursuits, traffic stops, felony stops, when they go on duty, when they go off duty, when they need immediate backup, etc...

- IF a pursuit is initiated, a SWAT operation is in place or an officer initiates a panic alarm and calls it out then we can move into what is called ''TAC'' channels. As the name implies these are tactical channels used for specific situations where continuous information is needed. We use these because having 10+ members communicating over (P) would be chaos. Now, this IS a privilege. We are given permission by staff to use these channels. However, this privilege also comes with responsibility. When police use these channels in TS3 and talk in them they MUST ALWAYS be pressing N in-game. They CAN NOT call out something in a TAC channel and not in-game. IF they do it is metagaming and could be reported as a rule break.

 

To say that TeamSpeak is our radio is misleading. We use a handful of channels in TS for better communication and we do so following strict rules to not give us an unfair advantage. If someone takes or smashes your radio in-game WE CAN NOT use TS for the duration of the situation until we get another radio. Plain and simple.

[Cyrus Raven]

9 minutes ago, Copperhorse said:

As far as I'm aware PD try's to be the faction with the highest standard of RP in the server. Why should you lower your level of RP just because others have? 

I guess I'll repeat myself since you missed some of what I said. 

''Don't get me wrong, I'm not necessarily saying we should change this, but I find it ironic you're complaining about the police and bringing up ''realism'' when gangs on this server are rich as fuck, own businesses and have super/sports cars.''

I want to, as police, continue having the highest standard, but it's pretty hypocritical to bring up ''realism'' and what is fair and unfair when criminals are literally more unrealistic than PD when it comes to wealth and personal vehicles. 

If you said ''Well I don't think PD should be using supers and drags, but I also understand why they do it, they should remove this ability from PD AND also modify the economy to prevent ''rich gangs'''' then I would understand and possibly even agree. But don't pretend that everything with criminals is ok and nothing should change. At the very least recognize the irony in criticising PD for realism and ignoring criminal wealth.

[kennyGribbins]

2 hours ago, gyrhnr said:

gangs have power in numbers

you mad one push of panic button 20 cops turn up with carbines

[Bl0wUrFace]

i never said putting the fox in charge of the chiken pen was wrong....i am a very missleaded men indeed,and i would be curious to know from a trusted individual like you, the price police pay for weapon? 

Edited August 6, 2019 by Bl0wUrFace

[kennyGribbins]

1 hour ago, Bl0wUrFace said:

i never said putting the fox in charge of the chiken pen was wrong....i am a very missleaded men indeed,and i would be curious to know from a trusted individual like you, the price police pay for weapon? 

Cops don't pay anything and get thousands

[Yputi]

45 minutes ago, kennyGribbins said:

Cops don't pay anything and get thousands

Last thing I want to add on this topic; that is not 100% true. We even pay for the GPS trackers that comes with each cruiser. Also; 

If people are aware of similair suggestions in the past, why is this being oppened again? I believe its being said you should check if there is a similair suggestion made already.

Edited August 6, 2019 by Yputi

[kennyGribbins]

12 minutes ago, Yputi said:

Last thing I want to add on this topic; that is not 100% true. We even pay for the GPS trackers that comes with each cruiser. Also; 

If people are aware of similair suggestions in the past, why is this being oppened again? I believe its being said you should check if there is a similair suggestion made already.

congrats you pay 500 dollars while I have to pay thousands to get simple things and make no money at all spending hours doing stuff and potentially get robbed 

[AnnoyingOne]

You mean, doing farming or mining where you can get 10k+ in 1 hour? Earning way more than any faction job?

[kennyGribbins]

Just now, BrainDed said:

You mean, doing farming or mining where you can get 10k+ in 1 hour? Earning way more than any faction job?

that's some bs mate 

[AnnoyingOne]

No its not bullshit, actually do some jobs

[Cyrus Raven]

3 minutes ago, kennyGribbins said:

congrats you pay 500 dollars while I have to pay thousands to get simple things and make no money at all spending hours doing stuff and potentially get robbed 

Dude you're complaints are directed at capitalism more than anything. 

We buy the same things you do when off-duty and while on-duty we buy all our food, bags, lockpicks, etc.. The entire point of a government job is that you are given the tools for the job. I don't see you complaining that farmers get free tractors or that groupe6 get free money transport trucks.

Edited August 7, 2019 by Kyle White Raven

[kennyGribbins]

Just now, Kyle White Raven said:

Dude you're complaints are direct at capitalism more than anything. 

We buy the same things you do when off-duty and while on-duty we buy all our food, bags, lockpicks, etc.. The entire point of a government job is that you are given the tools for the job. I don't see you complaining that farmers get free tractors or that groupe6 get free money transport trucks.

you buy food like everyone else does but you don't risk losing thousands of dollars  in heavies that took me 6 hours to get the money for  in a second you don't have a risk of losing thousands in drugs or getting your car chopped or getting robbed 

[Cyrus Raven]

1 minute ago, kennyGribbins said:

you buy food like everyone else does but you don't risk losing thousands of dollars  in heavies that took me 6 hours to get the money for  in a second you don't have a risk of losing thousands in drugs or getting your car chopped or getting robbed 

Wait, isn't that the consequence of being a criminal? 

[kennyGribbins]

1 minute ago, Kyle White Raven said:

Wait, isn't that the consequence of being a criminal? 

I have no choice of being a criminal I cant be a civ at all

[Freclan]

Just now, kennyGribbins said:

I have no choice of being a criminal I cant be a civ at all

Well that's the life you chose? You only have yourself to blame

[Cyrus Raven]

1 minute ago, kennyGribbins said:

I have no choice of being a criminal I cant be a civ at all

I mean, you quite literally can, it might come with it's challenges (being robbed, etc..), but you can. Not only that but even if you couldn't be a civ, this doesn't take away from the fact that you are a criminal and cops are government employees given equipment by the government (which is paid by the tax payer). 

 

You have to be able to give a good and compelling argument, but so far all I've read is summed to ''Oh well cops have stuff so that's unfair'', without taking into account the opposite roleplay background both these paths have. Being a criminal IS SUPPOSED to be hard, you aren't supposed to get guns, cars, houses and money easily. You aren't supposed to be able to run around causing mayhem uninterrupted. Just like PD isn't supposed to have to pay for their own gear seeing as it is a government-appointed position. They aren't supposed to have to scrap around to get food and water (that's why we get a steady salary paid weekly). Saying that one has it better than the other is true in some aspects, but why is that bad ? Isn't that how roleplay should be  ?

[kennyGribbins]

55 minutes ago, Freclan said:

Well that's the life you chose? You only have yourself to blame

 

55 minutes ago, Freclan said:

Well that's the life you chose? You only have yourself to blame

I was perma banned  in the past and I cant do anything I cant apply for any jobs

[CycloneDavid]

I don't agree, and honestly don't get it either.

PD's, or any gov position really, IRL are paid the big bucks for what they do, end of story. All cops I know own nice cars and live in houses I can only dream of IRL.

You choose to be a criminal in game and you think its hard to be rich?

I've been a clean civ since day dot here, and I'm constantly pulled up and robbed for everything I have by crims so they can get an easy payday on top of whatever else they are earning. Its so damn bad that you just don't carry cash or inventory anymore. And 9 times out of 10 I'm pulled up by crims in sports cars or bikes that would easily flag me down if I tried out-running, so there's got to be good cash in what your doing. The fact that people say its not worth being a crim over trying to be a clean civ beats the hell outta me.

Most gov jobs in server also require a lot of work with regards to the standards and practices they want for each player in order to be apart of it both IC and OOC. Its not just clock on, grab a car, and away you go earning the big bucks.

[Aldarine]

At the end of the day, government jobs are just that, government jobs. If you chose to be a criminal, you are in for a hard life as it is IRL. It is no easy task being a criminal, making lots of money, keeping all your weapons/drugs, etc. As stated by a previous poster, you seem to be under the assumption that these government jobs are just so easy and it's clock in, grab a vehicle, and make money. I'm not a member of PD but instead a member of EMS. I've put countless hours of work OOCly into my faction and hours IC can be very hard and demanding while on the job. Along with this, I am held to high standards as I am an employee of the government and represent LSEMS be it on or off duty. This means that should I engage in any form of criminal activity (including reckless driving), be involved with the wrong people at the wrong time, or misspeak regarding certain things, I can be subject to disciplinary actions. I assume the same can be said for PD as again, it's another government job. No path of life is without its pros and cons. This is also a RP server, not a money grind. Criminals can have incredible backstories and there are so many doors for RP opportunities should you make them. Stop focusing so much on the grind aspect as it does raise the question of why you are on a RP server to begin if you have such a win mentality. Let it be known that I fully support increased script support for criminals and more things for them to do, but this is just a ridiculous suggestion in my opinion.

[alexalex303]

2 hours ago, kennyGribbins said:

you buy food like everyone else does but you don't risk losing thousands of dollars  in heavies that took me 6 hours to get the money for  in a second you don't have a risk of losing thousands in drugs or getting your car chopped or getting robbed 

Yeah but you can do /whatever/ you want with your heavy, with your car, with your everything. That's the point that escapes you, cops have very strict regulations that they have to follow, and there's an army of people waiting with invisible gopros ready to report whenever they think anything is abused.

Cops get stuff for free, to enforce the law. If a cop wanted to use his carbine to rob people, that wouldn't be possible. If you want to use your AK to make 50k just chain robbing, that's possible.

[kennyGribbins]

10 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

Yeah but you can do /whatever/ you want with your heavy, with your car, with your everything. That's the point that escapes you, cops have very strict regulations that they have to follow, and there's an army of people waiting with invisible gopros ready to report whenever they think anything is abused.

Cops get stuff for free, to enforce the law. If a cop wanted to use his carbine to rob people, that wouldn't be possible. If you want to use your AK to make 50k just chain robbing, that's possible.

people don't rob everyone like vice did   If you think that's what criminals do it isn't that's what vice just did