Reduce All criminal charges sentence length by at least HALF.

[dominator]

Maybe not all, but for minor crimes, when everything is stacked, maybe yea. But for crimes like shooting cops, murders, terrorism, it should be even higher.

[Demonmit1]

3 hours ago, Ronin said:

I do believe there are IC routes for this suggestion to happen which is via the LRC. 

 

15 hours ago, Demonmit1 said:

Why not do this ICly through LRC? because the civilian/gov side of the RP is taken way more seriously than Criminal RP. no one in their right mind ICly would accept reducing all charges being halved. this is why it needs to be handled on an OOC level.

did you not read the post? LRC takes almost a year to have even the most basic changes be done. LRC is not a viable solution to fix an OOC issue ICly. especially when SASG is corrupt and keeps motivated people out of LRC by breaking the constitution to do so...

Edited June 2, 2025 by Demonmit1

[Demonmit1]

6 hours ago, tuccci said:

From a roleplay perspective, you'd have to play a pretty reckless criminal to say "welp, I'm going to jail, may as well get shot by 6 cops 15 times while I'm at it"

this is exactly what the current script encourages. there is no jail time difference between turning yourself in or shooting, so most crims choose to shoot cause its more fun. 

 

6 hours ago, Astrx said:

the charges max cap has already been reduced, twice. I am unsure of how much further you want that to go. Say we do get another decrease, I can guarantee that another thread like this will pop up in the future, wanting another decrease.

2 hours ago, Eliza said:

DOC time is fine as is in my honest opinion. I hate going to prison just as much as everyone else, but there needs to still be repercussions to doing crime.

the issue is the max cap. to be honest, increasing it would also be a fix to this problem, but increasing the cap so people spend more time AFKing in DOC isnt a good decision for the health of the server. I dont want the max cap to be reduced again, that would be silly. Im saying that charges should be scaled to the max cap, so violent charges more easily get you to the max, when non violent charges shouldnt give you also max time. currently non violent charges still give you max time, so crims have nothing to lose if they chose to shoot. either way its still max time. scale the charge times to the max cap will fix this.

[DoubleA]

I feel like this could be said better from everyone - from a perspective of someone who has basically gone from full legal to full crim to more weighted on the legal side, I don’t think ALL charges should be lowered, just some specific ones. The jail cap is fine, 6 hours as a cap is crims having fun then sitting afk for 2 movies. 
 

Kazji is very right, as crims we have been definitely assisted with jail fines lowering, the VIP script lowering time to usually 1:48 instead of 3:00, guns are now insanely easy to get, but I think mainly the crim community is best utilized when they are out actually giving RP. Currently the last few weeks it’s been ULTRA PVP focused which has been fun, but also annoying, but that’s neither here nor there…

I’ve always said this and I’ll continue to echo it - the more people are out and about able to provide RP - the more things crims/civs have to do, the more PD has to do, and the cycle can continue. Similar to what Dale said, more interactions. 
 

this all goes into DOC RP as well… sadly every time I go to DOC I do try and do things but get children screaming in my ear, and just ask a guard to lock me up in a cell. If DOC had more stuff to do that’s interactive WITH people, would be fine! Poker! Blackjack! Insert a pool script!! Make DOC great again 

[RJThompson]

7 hours ago, alexalex303 said:

okay so now that we have established that..

if you want a solution to risk versus reward, increase the prison cap from 2 hours to 6 hours, and then you will feel a difference between surrendering or shooting, lowering prison times any more is just comical.

well the past year i have not seen your crim not even once, EVERYTHING has changed from what things used to be. literally everything, so you cant compare to you leading a gang in 2020 to how things are now. if anything i know the prison times were 10x more and so were fines, all im saying is things are alot different and work a whole lot different now. again are people forgetting ITS A GAME. up the prison time and watch you see how absolutely boring PD/SD would be. youd actually get next to no crime, youd be so bored and youd be begging for it to be removed. if anything please put the time to 6+ hours, see how many crims turn pd full time or to a civ. and crim is already going through its low number stage right now where not many crims are doing much because of how many LEOs are around. my group of friends dont even want to play on weekends because we get pulled over for doing the speed limit and k9'd. me personally idc about the prison time, i just put on a movie and by the time the movie is over its done. so not a issue, i just mean for the general "come home from work dad" that has 2-3 hours a day to play max. and if he get arrested the next day he gets home he cant even play. hes picking up litter and laundry to get out earlier. 

 

all im saying is if you want more fun as officers/deputys, make it less time. if you dont care or feel like you get enough fun, then who cares above the average crim rp'er i guess

[alexalex303]

17 minutes ago, RJThompson said:

well the past year i have not seen your crim not even once, EVERYTHING has changed from what things used to be. literally everything, so you cant compare to you leading a gang in 2020 to how things are now. if anything i know the prison times were 10x more and so were fines, all im saying is things are alot different and work a whole lot different now. again are people forgetting ITS A GAME. up the prison time and watch you see how absolutely boring PD/SD would be. youd actually get next to no crime, youd be so bored and youd be begging for it to be removed. if anything please put the time to 6+ hours, see how many crims turn pd full time or to a civ. and crim is already going through its low number stage right now where not many crims are doing much because of how many LEOs are around. my group of friends dont even want to play on weekends because we get pulled over for doing the speed limit and k9'd. me personally idc about the prison time, i just put on a movie and by the time the movie is over its done. so not a issue, i just mean for the general "come home from work dad" that has 2-3 hours a day to play max. and if he get arrested the next day he gets home he cant even play. hes picking up litter and laundry to get out earlier. 

 

all im saying is if you want more fun as officers/deputys, make it less time. if you dont care or feel like you get enough fun, then who cares above the average crim rp'er i guess

so just to be clear

you're telling the guy that was a crim when prison cap was 12 hours that he doesn't know what hes talking about

but the new crim that only ever saw 2 hour cap knows better

also its pretty wild to me how all these criminal rpers that play 12 hours a day have single dads that play 1 hour a day in their mind with all of their suggestions.

Edited June 2, 2025 by alexalex303

[Ritchie Stones]

Weak as fuck !! Mentality 
Dont get caught and be smarter man, really the amount of time you spend in prison and charges you get is the measurement of your inteligence…..

thats a hard pill to swallow isnt it, 

Guys in here clapping 6times a day, talk shit to cops, be speeding 24/7 with a bag of coke in the trunk, then clap the officer and cries about getting 4 charges…

the fuck is wrong with you guys!

they already cut time A LOT! And tall just keep crying… GET SKILLED, or keep dropping soap!

 

[Mikazuki Ueno]

2 hours ago, RJThompson said:

please put the time to 6+ hours, see how many crims turn pd full time or to a civ.

I think 6 hours may be a bit much. How about 5? You can get credit for them while offline now, that’s a nice thing. Would be nice to see more non criminal RP. 

[Ritchie Stones]

5 minutes ago, Mikazuki Ueno said:

I think 6 hours may be a bit much. How about 5? You can get credit for them while offline now, that’s a nice thing. Would be nice to see more non criminal RP. 

There was a guy i once heard who got 36 hours! what a legend 

[DoubleA]

1 hour ago, Ritchie Stones said:

There was a guy i once heard who got 36 hours! what a legend 

The 20x Murder of a Gov at DOC bridge, tell me youre from before 2021 without telling me your from before 2021.. 90-100 man joint freqs... 4 gangs together... lets just bring that back!!!

[Mikazuki Ueno]

4 minutes ago, DoubleA said:

90-100 man joint freqs... 4 gangs together... lets just bring that back!!!

Pass.

[Homast]

I'm going to say some mean things, and you're just gunna have to put up with that.

How many times has this been asked? Countless.

How many times have we had Prison Time reductions made? 2-3 times now since 2021 (If you count VIP tier rework)

First time - Unlimited Duration possible to 8 Hour Maximum. Time does NOT decay offline ( or 12 hour to 8 if what Steel says is true. idfk )
Second Time - 8 Hours to 5 Hours, Time DOES Decay offline to a minimum of 1 hour.
Third time - Diamond VIP makes your Prison Cap (With maximum charges possible) less than 2 hours.

When does it end? With y'all having Streamer Server prison times? News Flash: This is not a Streamer Server. We have people who stream, but the focus is on RP and it's quality, Not being able to go go go go gogogogo. 

I'm going to straight-up say it, cuz y'all have had it sugar coated way too fucking often: Stop trying to PVP every fucking second and not face the consequences when you have people whos RP job it is to stop you and keep you from murdering and doing crime for a length of time that's proportionate to the crimes committed.

If you go on to kill 12 cops, and get 12 Murder of GOV charges, You gotta lay in that bed you've made my g. You had the clear option to get a shorter time, but you tried to PVP like the monkey you are and made it worse for yourself.

 

[SteakHappy]

1 hour ago, Homast said:

Stop trying to PVP every fucking second

+1000.

But this would take the server itself to go back to actually catering to RP and not creating a pro-PVP environment. Every step the server (development, staff decision precedent, etc etc) has taken in the last year (or more) has simply pushed crim into its current state. 

As for the suggestion: Nah. Because this would be doing the same thing, allowing for more PVP mentality with less restrictions.

 

Edited June 3, 2025 by SteakHappy

[DoubleA]

We dont want "streamer" times. But how does it make sense to be like well i have guns, im going for 3 hours, might as well evade for a difference of 5 minutes. It aint even about PVP like some people think - but think about it. 300 minutes is max sentence without fines,  180 with enough money to pay. I understand the whole murder thing, that is a whole different animal. Maybe make murders jail fines go up to like 40k or something, have a financial deterrent to it.

I have an MG mk2 with attachments, a .50, body armor, and 2 blunts. I havent evaded or anything: My time is 90(class 3) - 25(Armor) - 30(Class 1)  - 25(attachments) - 25(controlled substance while armed). That is JUST possessions, at 195 minutes.  For carrying a kit, I get 3 hours.  Lets say instead of an MG I have a Carbine, still 60 mins instead of 90, makes it 165, 15 mins short of a max sentence. Of course im going to try to evade for a 15 minute difference. I think it would just make sense to lower some of these down a bit. I would even be fine saying leave pistols at 30, thats fine. Class 2 at 45, class 3 at 60. Armor as a felon being 25, make it 20, attachments, 20. Lets see what Paul Allens jail sentence looks like then... 

With an MG: 150 mins

With a Carbine: 135 mins

Now if you you were to add evading the way I have tried bringing it up, making it 30 mins instead of 60 for evading, then boom with an MG thats perfect 180 minutes. With a carbine its just short. But what is the goal of people saying no to this? Throw people in prison for longer? Make the server MORE boring? You will have a lot of turnover, some people go back to prison every 10 minutes after they leave, so to hear "oh you wont have prisoners!" is BS. Its not like people are asking for 10 minute sentences. Its a small reduction of jail times. Most people will still have max sentences, so people saying otherwise I think is genuinely stupid. Its the small things that makes things more bearable. Its fucked up that if we want to do something together thats fun, we then have a few people, sometimes all of them, go into a place to AFK for 3 hours because of something small. 

And to respond to Alex... Thats insane, girlies made a video in DOC. Its happened one time in the last 5 years ive been on the server. If I had a nickel for how many times its happened, I'd have 5 cents. So bringing simple anomolys into things is futile to bring up.

 

It has happened in the past. Crims do ask for a lot, but THATS WHAT GTA IS. IT IS A CRIMINAL GAME ABOUT HEISTS, SHOOTING, ROBBING, SPEEDING, AND HAVING FUN. So obviously the main focus should be on making the crim/civ RP as good as it can be. Then LEO RP will follow as they will have more to do, and then you can start to fine tune. PD/SD are in a VERY good place right now with strength, with numbers, and crim RP is very close to being in a fantastic state. But sadly the only thing being focused on is labs, adding more, changing them around, etc. We need a packed money update, we need SOMETHING new for crims to do other than the main 3 that have gotten so stale over the past years. 

The new job updates have been MASSIVE in revitalizing dead parts of Civ-RP, the same can be done for crims, we just need the resources, but thats a whole different can of worms...

Crims are told to "make suggestions" and they will be spoken about, I really hope that we can come to some sort of agreement where everyone is happy, I would absolutely LOVE to be of help. I've even re-applied for staff to try and do my part!!! But im too opinionated.... The personal attacks on this thread have been kinda BS when people are bringing up suggestions... egos dont need to flow when we are all just looking to improve the server for everyone  All love, thank you Demmonit for making this thread after you and I had a convo about it, it has gotten attention and thats what we need to get things rolling in the right direction.

 

[Demonmit1]

14 hours ago, Homast said:

If you go on to kill 12 cops, and get 12 Murder of GOV charges, You gotta lay in that bed you've made my g. You had the clear option to get a shorter time, but you tried to PVP like the monkey you are and made it worse for yourself.

again, you didnt even read the post, you read the title and chose to say this without any thought beforehand.

there is no cap reduction being requested. the problem is the cap being 180 minutes, and no matter what you chose to do, non violent turning yourself in if you get caught, or shooting at cops and losing, you still get 180 minutes. non violent crimes dont scale to the max sentance at all, so there's no point in not being volent, there's nothing to lose. non violent charges being so long compared to the scale of the low 180 minute cap, encourage PVP cause theres no added consequences for doing more violent crimes.

"You had the clear option to get a shorter time,"

THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN. THIS IS THE PROBLEM. there is no shorter time for turning yourself in cause the charges still add up to 180 minutes anyways, so crims chose to be violent cause there's nothing to lose.

the scale of non violent crimes does not work with a limitation of a max sentence of 180 minutes. non violent crimes get added up to 180 minutes. violent crimes get reduced to 180 minutes. everything is always max sentence no matter what you do, so why not evade or shoot to have fun since theres no difference?

Edited June 3, 2025 by Demonmit1

[alexalex303]

24 minutes ago, Demonmit1 said:

THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN. THIS IS THE PROBLEM.

Honestly, I kind of took your premise for granted, but checking the numbers. It doesn't add up.

If I evade, drive recklessly and even get charged for a mask, I'm only halfway to the cap.

If I decide to carry a whole armory of two different classes and body armor, I'm pretty close to the cap, but still not there.

10 hours ago, DoubleA said:

And to respond to Alex... Thats insane, girlies made a video in DOC. Its happened one time in the last 5 years ive been on the server. If I had a nickel for how many times its happened, I'd have 5 cents. So bringing simple anomolys into things is futile to bring up.

It's only an anomaly because the players that just want to "provide RP" when they get outside of DOC mean they want to roll around with MG MK IIs and shoot each other. What the girlies did is actual RP, and everyone that has an MG MK II outside can do the same thing inside. But they choose to afk.

They didn't have script support. They didn't have an admin spawn them stuff. They didn't have any advantage. They just got arrested and decided to make the best of it. ANYONE can do that.

Edited June 3, 2025 by alexalex303

[Earl Mud]

53 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

Honestly, I kind of took your premise for granted, but checking the numbers. It doesn't add up.

If I evade, drive recklessly and even get charged for a mask, I'm only halfway to the cap.

If I decide to carry a whole armory of two different classes and body armor, I'm pretty close to the cap, but still not there.

It's only an anomaly because the players that just want to "provide RP" when they get outside of DOC mean they want to roll around with MG MK IIs and shoot each other. What the girlies did is actual RP, and everyone that has an MG MK II outside can do the same thing inside. But they choose to afk.

They didn't have script support. They didn't have an admin spawn them stuff. They didn't have any advantage. They just got arrested and decided to make the best of it. ANYONE can do that.

Key point here is people have to be there for that rp. Everytime ive been in doc its empty and even the guards are afk waiting for a radio call to process someone if needed 

[Teenyinnit]

On 6/2/2025 at 5:04 AM, Spizor said:

So to be clear, you want criminals to be able to carry a fully kitted loadout and evade and shoot at cops while barely facing any consequences? That just sounds silly imo. You don't need to carry two different gun classes on you. A suspended license does not grant you jail time. You also are not required to carry armor, or modifications. 

I think it would be cool to get 30-40 minutes for evading and not a full hour

[Ritchie Stones]

23 hours ago, DoubleA said:

The 20x Murder of a Gov at DOC bridge, tell me youre from before 2021 without telling me your from before 2021.. 90-100 man joint freqs... 4 gangs together... lets just bring that back!!!

10 november 2020, the joint freqs where really crazy, the battle royals i have seen with fews gangs. they where actualy not so bad, i once had been sitting 2 hours in a lab for such a shootout and it was kinda exciting although im not a pvp guy, the bullets would just fly everywhere XDXD

[Tomvd682]

On 6/2/2025 at 5:23 AM, Bala said:

It's not an answer to the problem, it's just creating another issue.

This would reduce the consequences a player faces for being caught even more than VIP and the last round of reductions did. Not only would that undermine that part of the server, it would severely impact the amount of activity that the DOC faction has and the inside of the prison is literally the only thing they have.

Prison is shit. Crims know it, Cops know and DOC knows it. When I say shit, I don't mean your character will hate to go there, I mean it's a negative playing experience.

I wouldn't want to lock someone away there for more than a couple hours, for any crime really. But at the same time, if they are in there for a flying visit then out again before the ink is dry on their paperwork, then whats the point?

I don't believe that most cops enjoy having to do the mugshot RP, fuck about with the evidence and your legal possessions then spend five minutes writing up an arrest report about it, that is most likely never going to be spoken about again, but we have to do that to prop up the legal system we've shoehorned into the server.

They need to tone the VIP discount on prison time down. If you are going to reduce anything to do with prison, reduce the fines. Then stop fucking about with the prison times and actually put a little bit of effort into making the prison a more bearable experience. Not digging tin out of a prison yard or playing AFK simulator.

I think you're wrong about some key aspects of this.

Back when I and most others remember the server being genuinely fun to play every day, especially pd vs crim, it was when it was worth it to create a fun scenario. You'd risk getting caught, take the two hour sentence, and get some charges that were expensive but wouldn't set you back a stupid amount of grinding.

DOC has always been shit. It had some ups and downs, but it's always fundamentally been dogshit.

Back then, it was fun to plan out some scenario for weeks ahead of time, like kidnapping a cop that did you wrong or whatever, just to have fun roleplay with the cops for an hour or more. Whether you lost or not after the fact didn’t matter, because it was fun, and you didn’t get turbo fucked on every twist and turn. That’s the biggest change between now and then. It feels like now it’s always about having to win and pushing every rule, guideline, and bit of roleplay sense to its very limit and beyond, just to secure that oh-so-needed juicy W. Instead of trying to play out a fun scenario together where all parties can walk away having had fun, even when losing. That went for both sides back then.

Now every situation feels like it’s about winning as quickly as possible and turbofucking you as the crim as hard as possible. I agree with the fines being lowered over the time being lowered, but I don’t think lowering some of the individual charge time sentences would be so bad either. It often feels like we’re just playing the NPCs so law enforcement can have their fun.

There’s often no give and take while trying to play out scenarios. Instead, limits are pushed as far as possible (from both sides) to try and secure the W every single time. All sides are guilty of it, but I think one side in particular has the power to dictate the environment we’re in, and it’s often toxic and shuts down whatever you’re trying to do. That’s why a lot of old-time crims mellowed out or even stopped being crims, it’s simply not fun anymore.

The current best and most enjoyable way to play the server as a crim, is to avoid PD/SD at all cost, and not to interact with them when trying to do literally anything or having anything. With this I don't mean healthily trying to dodge cops not to get caught doing xyz, but not actively trying to engage in rp surrounding criminal activity. Same goes for simple things as driving off from a traffic stop, it's just not worth the effort or time anymore, the amount of fun is watered down and most unfun things are being underlined time and time again.
Obviously this was always the "best" way to avoid cops, but most didn't join a roleplay server to do that.

I am not blaming anyone or either side, I am blaming both sides in-game for having this mentality while playing. However, the biggest factor of this all I think, is the landscape we've been letting grow out and become the new norm of today. There is no simple adjustment or "nerf" the server needs; it's the mindset that needs to change, and the landscape that encourages it.

I was going to end it here but to give an example to the alinea above's last sentence; by landscape I mean IC as well as OOC guidelines/rules/norms, simple example for PD: back in the day some cops were corrupt in a sense to maybe beat your ass in a jail cell, or hold you illegally, sell convensecated weapons, or maybe to let you go after apologizing to the store clerk after robbing him as a newer player. Nothing like this is able to happen anymore due to strictly having to be boring and strictly by the book.

[Earl Mud]

1 hour ago, Tomvd682 said:

I think you're wrong about some key aspects of this.

Back when I and most others remember the server being genuinely fun to play every day, especially pd vs crim, it was when it was worth it to create a fun scenario. You'd risk getting caught, take the two hour sentence, and get some charges that were expensive but wouldn't set you back a stupid amount of grinding.

DOC has always been shit. It had some ups and downs, but it's always fundamentally been dogshit.

Back then, it was fun to plan out some scenario for weeks ahead of time, like kidnapping a cop that did you wrong or whatever, just to have fun roleplay with the cops for an hour or more. Whether you lost or not after the fact didn’t matter, because it was fun, and you didn’t get turbo fucked on every twist and turn. That’s the biggest change between now and then. It feels like now it’s always about having to win and pushing every rule, guideline, and bit of roleplay sense to its very limit and beyond, just to secure that oh-so-needed juicy W. Instead of trying to play out a fun scenario together where all parties can walk away having had fun, even when losing. That went for both sides back then.

Now every situation feels like it’s about winning as quickly as possible and turbofucking you as the crim as hard as possible. I agree with the fines being lowered over the time being lowered, but I don’t think lowering some of the individual charge time sentences would be so bad either. It often feels like we’re just playing the NPCs so law enforcement can have their fun.

There’s often no give and take while trying to play out scenarios. Instead, limits are pushed as far as possible (from both sides) to try and secure the W every single time. All sides are guilty of it, but I think one side in particular has the power to dictate the environment we’re in, and it’s often toxic and shuts down whatever you’re trying to do. That’s why a lot of old-time crims mellowed out or even stopped being crims, it’s simply not fun anymore.

The current best and most enjoyable way to play the server as a crim, is to avoid PD/SD at all cost, and not to interact with them when trying to do literally anything or having anything. With this I don't mean healthily trying to dodge cops not to get caught doing xyz, but not actively trying to engage in rp surrounding criminal activity. Same goes for simple things as driving off from a traffic stop, it's just not worth the effort or time anymore, the amount of fun is watered down and most unfun things are being underlined time and time again.
Obviously this was always the "best" way to avoid cops, but most didn't join a roleplay server to do that.

I am not blaming anyone or either side, I am blaming both sides in-game for having this mentality while playing. However, the biggest factor of this all I think, is the landscape we've been letting grow out and become the new norm of today. There is no simple adjustment or "nerf" the server needs; it's the mindset that needs to change, and the landscape that encourages it.

I was going to end it here but to give an example to the alinea above's last sentence; by landscape I mean IC as well as OOC guidelines/rules/norms, simple example for PD: back in the day some cops were corrupt in a sense to maybe beat your ass in a jail cell, or hold you illegally, sell convensecated weapons, or maybe to let you go after apologizing to the store clerk after robbing him as a newer player. Nothing like this is able to happen anymore due to strictly having to be boring and strictly by the book.

I agree with most of this for sure. For example, smaller rp things are getting decimated. Like last week I was part of a protest at mission row, and they started water cannoning us for being on the sidewalk shouting then tackling and tasing me to arrest me for not leaving. Shits not fun anymore. Which I get why cops escalate so much because they are used to some crims just wanting to fight nonstop but it has legit ruined all smaller fun rp. Everyone wants a W so it's never small fun things. A fist fight now turns into people running through with an 8 stack all in 50k+ kits. What's the root of this mentality?

[Tomvd682]

2 hours ago, Earl Mud said:

I agree with most of this for sure. For example, smaller rp things are getting decimated. Like last week I was part of a protest at mission row, and they started water cannoning us for being on the sidewalk shouting then tackling and tasing me to arrest me for not leaving. Shits not fun anymore. Which I get why cops escalate so much because they are used to some crims just wanting to fight nonstop but it has legit ruined all smaller fun rp. Everyone wants a W so it's never small fun things. A fist fight now turns into people running through with an 8 stack all in 50k+ kits. What's the root of this mentality?

It went from having fun as a collective, maybe being hard IC but both laughing ooc about wtf is going on, to sweating to win, again, both sides. There's plenty of people whom don't have this mentality, it's just some that ruin it, and we've let a space grow to facilitate that to a point it became the norm.

[Bala]

3 hours ago, Earl Mud said:

I agree with most of this for sure. For example, smaller rp things are getting decimated. Like last week I was part of a protest at mission row, and they started water cannoning us for being on the sidewalk shouting then tackling and tasing me to arrest me for not leaving. Shits not fun anymore. 

I was the one that hit you with the water cannon. That was one of the funniest things I've done in weeks on the server. Suppose it depends what end of the cannon you're on, but people can't protest properly without getting goofy with it. It got goofy so the cannons came out.

Edited June 21, 2025 by Bala

[Earl Mud]

54 minutes ago, Bala said:

I was the one that hit you with the water cannon. That was one of the funniest things I've done in weeks on the server. Suppose it depends what end of the cannon you're on, but people can't protest properly without getting goofy with it. It got goofy so the cannons came out.

Cannon was fine. It was being arrested with zero interaction. Especially when I was across the street and didn't hear anyone say stop shouting or you will be arrested then getting insta tackled off a bike, cuffed with 0 talking. 

[Clank]

On 6/2/2025 at 4:36 PM, RJThompson said:

well the past year i have not seen your crim not even once, EVERYTHING has changed from what things used to be. literally everything, so you cant compare to you leading a gang in 2020 to how things are now. if anything i know the prison times were 10x more and so were fines, all im saying is things are alot different and work a whole lot different now.

I think thats the point he's trying to make. Times and fines were already reduced so heavily and somehow people still find reasons to complain no?

The max time I have seen personally with VIP reduction is a little over 100 minutes. Are we seriously complaining about 100 minutes in a prison environment on an RP server? At that point if you reduce prison times even further you're out of prison and able to jump back into the same gunfight you got arrest from