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Lower the speed cap to 200 km/h

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-1 Lowering the top speed cap would only shift the meta by nerfing all cars with a higher top speed, I think some of the problematic cars should be looked at individually, the main one being the Niobe.

I don't think the top speed for most vehicles is the main issue, as most cars in GTA are fairly balanced. For example, the Elegy Retro may not have the greatest top speed, but it compensates with much better acceleration, handling, and braking. However, some of the newer vehicles have increasingly better overall stats, which we could address server-side by altering these stats or making the vehicles harder to obtain.
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Regarding the Niobe, I agree with what others have said: this car isn't just fast in terms of top speed; it's broken as a whole. Its overall stats outclass most super and sports cars by a significant margin. The only apparent weakness is its braking, but that's the case for nearly every car, and braking isn't a stat you want to be too high anyway, especially when you have the handling to make up for it.

Having a high top speed combined with high acceleration would be acceptable, but the car is also incredibly forgiving with a handling stat of 100, which is ridiculous. There are additional stats for vehicles that the game doesn't display, and these could also be adjusted server-side to fine-tune some of the vehicles further.

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4 hours ago, addybeta said:

Reducing the cap from 240 is just running away from the real problem. The real problem is the HSW mod cars, that should not even be in the game, which I made a post about earlier. If Devs can fix this issue, then things will return back to the way they were. The drag was fine as it was before the update, but now not even shinobi's can keep up with it, making it broken. This includes the La carouse which had insane handling from before and a decent top speed, but now the top speed is broken so its a meta car.  Only the Niobe would stay the same, and I dont see the issue with that given how few people have it. If there is a way to remove this HSW mod then things will go back to normal.  

 

On a different note, I will accept a percentage of the earnings from the Niobe sale, since I promoted it!

don’t remove the HSW mod @RedHot got a good idea to keep it 🙏

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6 hours ago, Quietthecutie said:

Honestly theres a person who i wont name but if youre in SD by god youll know who im on about.

And most days when they are bored all they will do is sit on their drag in bayview, bait a chase, floor it down senora, and unless we already have HSIU out and close there is nothing we can do.

We will lose them normally at water treatment, even with air, after about 10 minutes when we have dropped response hes merrily bombing it back to bayview to repeat. Theres no chase in this chase, no skill he just gaps us with a vehicle we cannot spike and cannot keep up with unless we keep someone on permanent standby in a jug which is not something anyone wants to do.

It gets to the point where the whole department just has an unwritten rule to ignore him as its a waste of time and resources. 

Is cop baiting not against the rules? Im sure that falls somewhere under the line of "Non-RP"

Tachi Enthusiast

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17 hours ago, Demonmit1 said:

Yeah, once crim get an i win button they had to pay $280 USD for, its not fair. law enforcement has enough i win buttons, let the few that have a niobe have it. develop better strategies against it.

you just answered your own comment. yes its not fair, for anyone, not just LEO. what happens in a crim v crim chase? this argument about the niobe doesn't just apply to LEO. its a win button pushed by irl currency. not everybody is in a financial standpoint where they can spill 250 bucks just to get ahead, not to mention with a mechanic that had no business being there in the first place. it would be different if the car was obtainable with ic currency.

change the car. if you spent 250 bucks to knowingly abuse a mod that breaks the car to max speed that's your own fault. let people refund the car and get their credits back if it really bothers them that much. put out another car that doesn't have this issue, but more or less is worth a similar price tag. there is no reason a car should be flooring 240 km/h on any surface in 5-10 seconds and be hidden behind a pay wall.

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10 minutes ago, onlystorming said:

you just answered your own comment. yes its not fair, for anyone, not just LEO. what happens in a crim v crim chase? this argument about the niobe doesn't just apply to LEO. its a win button pushed by irl currency

You guys realize that you can buy cars with IC money that go 240 that are less than 500k right?

 

11 minutes ago, onlystorming said:

put out another car that doesn't have this issue,

Itali GTO was out at the same time as this. The FIRST TIME it was released, It was a shitstorm. Are you suggesting that another 200+ euro car is better than the other 200+ euro car because it *checks notes* Wait, they're the same car! And GTO doesn't have the HSW upgrades!

It's also not Hidden behind a paywall, because, again, I dunno if anyone has checked the Credit Store, IT was a Flash Sale item, Meaning it's no longer available. For anyone! Let the 10-15 people who grabbed it enjoy their toy in peace. It's not like it's the ONLY car they drive.

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Tachi Enthusiast

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3 hours ago, Homast said:

You guys realize that you can buy cars with IC money that go 240 that are less than 500k right?

 

Itali GTO was out at the same time as this. The FIRST TIME it was released, It was a shitstorm. Are you suggesting that another 200+ euro car is better than the other 200+ euro car because it *checks notes* Wait, they're the same car! And GTO doesn't have the HSW upgrades!

It's also not Hidden behind a paywall, because, again, I dunno if anyone has checked the Credit Store, IT was a Flash Sale item, Meaning it's no longer available. For anyone! Let the 10-15 people who grabbed it enjoy their toy in peace. It's not like it's the ONLY car they drive.

my 4 mil drag can't hit 240. the max it hits is 205-10 depending on fps WITHOUT the broken mod that shouldn't be there. now understandably that's a bike. there is no 500k car that can maintain 240 on any surface and accelerates to 240 in 5 seconds for under 500k.

the GTO got the same exact complaints as the niobe did. it pushed out the same speed and was also for a ridiclous amount of $. why are we encouraging pay to win instead of grind reward? people will sit on this server for 40 hrs a week grinding money to buy obtainable cars that aren't that broken and go 240 and when a flash sale comes out for broken cars they're supposed to be happy? so what you're saying is lets support p2w instead of maintaining activity on the server and integrity from players?? it's great that we're supporting the server by buying credits but you will keep more players with balanced mechanics than you will flash sales.

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Quietthecutie Mentor

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4 hours ago, JordanJustJordan said:

Is cop baiting not against the rules? Im sure that falls somewhere under the line of "Non-RP"

It does, but the effort required to report and monitor is isnt worth the very minor infraction and would probably just give them the attention they are seeking. its more elegant to just ignore them unless they commit a crime worth pursuing.

Proving cop baiting for just evading is incredibly difficult as theres 1001 different excuses they could give for it.

Jordan Rising Star

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1 hour ago, SquirtleSquad said:

Just to clear something up, LEO baiting is no longer NRP. They are now seen as IC consequences for IC actions.

I can see how this would be upsetting for LEOs but kind of exciting as a crim icl

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3 minutes ago, JordanJustJordan said:

I can see how this would be upsetting for LEOs but kind of exciting as a crim icl

Why would that be upsetting? I play LEO and I'm always down for a chase!

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Homast Mentor

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3 hours ago, Bala said:

Please keep this same energy for the Niobe, for the next round of PD vehicles,

Long as it doesn't get abused won't hear me complaining.
But you said the Niobe is ass ugly and you wanted to do the T20 instead 😞

Vez Enthusiast

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On 9/18/2024 at 2:12 AM, Clank said:

This is a valid argument if it wasn't locked being real money. Nobody has a problem with fast ass cars if they're able to be obtained through IC means. The same way supers are coveted, the fast vehicles should also be held at a high price point with IN CHARACTER MONEY.

 

The criminal playerbase in 2024 has more at their disposal than criminals in 2019 but somehow back then the state of "cops vs criminals" was a lot better. I feel like thats partly to do with gear fear. Back then there was no prison time limit, no fine limit, you had to pray you could order ammo through the laptop. If Jay Gamble was getting arrested it was already established Zetas were going to ambush PD. If Bruce Wong was getting arrested, Triads were going to ambush PD. There was less gear fear back then yet somehow criminals have easier access to equipment now. Doesnt make much sense does it? 

Yeah way less gear fear because it was plausible to fight pd more back then, 60 man faction cap on top of that backup beach wasn’t a thing so no it wouldn’t just be triads fighting for Bruce and zetas fighting for jay it would be multiple 60 man factions, sure we get better guns easier ammo and spikes etc but we are limited to 30 players with no backup from any other factions so it makes sense why it’s like this now, because it’s impossible compared to the 3 60 man factions that would get together to ambush pd to save their leaders

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Fancyme Community Regular

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nah if u cap it to 200 just makes every expensive desirable car obsolete the argument of the niobe being pay to win is fair or whatever but its been like this for years, you had the issi etc you also have vip which is just ridiculous you get better fuel less prison time more salary less food/water consumption but no one cares about that. The issi became less powerful due to new additions like the shinobi etc just the cycle of the game. I dont think its fair on those who opted to purchase the niobe, to nerf it. It was added as a flash sale at such a premium due to the performance. the devs made a bag jsut gotta accept it and get better at driving ig and tbh if you ask me the 240 cap is too low 

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9 hours ago, Vez said:

Yeah way less gear fear because it was plausible to fight pd more back then, 60 man faction cap on top of that backup beach wasn’t a thing so no it wouldn’t just be triads fighting for Bruce and zetas fighting for jay it would be multiple 60 man factions, sure we get better guns easier ammo and spikes etc but we are limited to 30 players with no backup from any other factions so it makes sense why it’s like this now, because it’s impossible compared to the 3 60 man factions that would get together to ambush pd to save their leaders

I can count only a handful of times where I fought more than 20 zetas at once. When Jay got arrested it was 90% of the time exclusively Zetas. Same with Bruce and the triads. Hell even Carlos with Aztecas and Deandre with WCA. 

Were there times that council outnumbered cops? Sure. Were there times where council teamed up? Yeah. A majority of the time each gang would fend for themselves. The few times that all gangs came together, the person that made the call would usually get in shit with the leaders especially if the council lost. 

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