isBrainDed Posted September 4, 2019 Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) When someone successfully escapes from prison, staff members release them from prison, wiping their charges. My suggestion is that we receive an additional command to be used by staff members which will pause the sentence instead of serving it like the current command does. Current command should stay in case someone needs their sentence reduced. Example: Someone is in jail for 4 hours, they served 2 hours but escaped. The prison time would pause at 2 hours. If they get arrested for something else or brought back in, the timer would continue at 2 hours + any other charges that they received. I am suggesting this because of 2 reasons. 1st: Charges are being removed ICly by OOC command done by server admins due to the teleport script in the server. 2nd: If PD/SD is aware of the prison break and who the person escaping is, if the person successfully escaped, PD/SD could re-apply the charges as the the person hasn't served time ICly, which would rack up additional fees to the criminal, which hurts criminals Edited September 5, 2019 by BrainDed Edited with example, thanks for reminding me Aldarine 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yputi Posted September 4, 2019 Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 Makes sense. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Capone Posted September 4, 2019 Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 +1, seems like a change that would be better for RP and less work for everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomvd682 Posted September 4, 2019 Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 I disagree as you've already payed the fines for all the charges and this suggestion would mean you would have to pay two times all the fines you have got. Maybe only add the existing prison break charge instead. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexalex303 Posted September 4, 2019 Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tomvd682 said: I disagree as you've already payed the fines for all the charges and this suggestion would mean you would have to pay two times all the fines you have got. Maybe only add the existing prison break charge instead. So you're in prison for 3 hours, cause you did a bunch of crimes. Your friends break you out, you get caught, you only return with 60 minutes of prison, after breaking out as well? Doesn't seem right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomvd682 Posted September 4, 2019 Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 Just now, alexalex303 said: So you're in prison for 3 hours, cause you did a bunch of crimes. Your friends break you out, you get caught, you only return with 60 minutes of prison, after breaking out as well? Doesn't seem right. If you would break out of a prison IRL you won't have to restart doing your time for the charges you already had and play the fines again. You would get (an) extra charge(s) and get extra time on top of the time you already had minus the time you already have served Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexalex303 Posted September 4, 2019 Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Tomvd682 said: If you would break out of a prison IRL you won't have to restart doing your time for the charges you already had and play the fines again. You would get (an) extra charge(s) and get extra time on top of the time you already had minus the time you already have served Yes, but with your way his previous charges would be completely null. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xoza Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) Huge +1 Prison time should be a 'debt'. Any time you're in prison or jail, or even doing community service, it burns off that debt, if you're not in jail, the debt isn't reduced. This way you would still serve your full time when you are returned. Community Service could also burn off that debt, like donations to the government or having to stay in an area and RP. /cs ## from any Legal Faction member, Any individual with less than 30 min incarceration Debt of 30min requires 60min Community Service. Must stay in the neighborhood and RP, maybe a task given to them. Can use the phone and radio and RP with friends. Would give LEO factions the ability to expand on a probation officer specialist. (the individuals who would probably have RP tasks and areas in mind a person could serve their time.) Edited September 5, 2019 by Xoza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isBrainDed Posted September 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 15 hours ago, Tomvd682 said: I disagree as you've already payed the fines for all the charges and this suggestion would mean you would have to pay two times all the fines you have got. Maybe only add the existing prison break charge instead. 15 hours ago, Tomvd682 said: If you would break out of a prison IRL you won't have to restart doing your time for the charges you already had and play the fines again. You would get (an) extra charge(s) and get extra time on top of the time you already had minus the time you already have served I think there was some misunderstanding, right now, if you escape from the prison your prison time is removed, so if cops are aware of your escape, the only way that prison time back is to charge you again for the crimes you were already in prison for, but didn't serve because you escaped. This is sub optimal as you have to pay the fines again What I am suggesting is that instead of removing your prison time, your prison time gets paused as you get released from the prison by using different command instead of the current one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zion Willard Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) For the time slice, IC time adjustments happen very often, which is all that would need to happen here. For the fine, only the additional prison break charge should be paid. (Since all other fines have been paid upon /prison) +1 Edited September 5, 2019 by Zion Willard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldarine Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) As I understand this suggestion if a criminal escapes prison, their jail time would pause at what remaining time they have left. Should the criminal be apprehended and jailed once again, they would have that paused time along with additional time (from crimes such as prison break) to serve. Example: Criminal is caught and charged with armed robbery and grand theft auto. They are sentenced to 120 minutes in prison with a fine of $11,500. The criminal serves 60 minutes before a prison break. They then get caught later on by PD and are charged with prison break which carries a 60 minute sentence and a $5,000 fine. With this suggestion, at the time of booking, the criminal would have to serve 120 minutes (60 leftover from previous charges and 60 from prison break). The fines from the prior charges have already been applied at the previous booking and will not be reapplied so the criminal would be in debt of $16,500 (prior fine of $11,500 plus the $5,000 assuming the criminal did not pay anything so far). At this present moment without this suggestion, the criminal would have a debt of $28,000 and 180 minutes in prison (armed robbery/gta applied twice plus prison break) even though they already served some time. If I understand this correctly OP, then I'm fully in support. +1 Edited September 5, 2019 by Aldarine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isBrainDed Posted September 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Zion Willard said: For the time slice, IC time adjustments happen very often, which is all that would need to happen here. For the fine, only the additional prison break charge should be paid. (Since all other fines have been paid upon /prison) +1 Yes, I agree, people shouldn't get the additional fines, but currently that is the only way if there is no admin present. There is also the issue right now, I might know if someone escaped, but if I don't make a note or place charges on the person, other officers have no way of knowing who is wanted, even though IRL, someone escaping from a prison would get flagged up on background check I could place Prison break on them , but that doesn't tell the admin handling the situation, for how long they were actually in jail when they got released or how long they have left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbacon Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 I agree with the suggestion, If you break out, then you would get the additional "Prison Break charge" Plus an additional charges for actions taken to escape... Generally Hostage taking, assault with deadly weapons, felony evading and often murder of government workers (yes DOC count) Prison time you "escaped" should be a remaining counter like the above suggestion... you have 4 hours serve 2.... you have 2left pls charges you accumulate during your escape. (which would be all recorded ic via the CCTV in the prison) Also when someone escapes, they should automatically have a warrant out for their recapture as I can assure you that you break out of any prison in the world... the guards/warden is gonna know which prisoner is missing... your not gonna get out, and be able to go the local bar and not get picked back up like people do now.... Escaping prison =/= freedom... just means your on the run and should be rp'd that way, and imo if you had a jail break this week already... and you have outstanding time because of it. you shouldn't be able to escape again until you have served that time (including new charges) as RL your gonna be watched so closely you will have someone attached to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xoza Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 4 hours ago, BrainDed said: I think there was some misunderstanding, right now, if you escape from the prison your prison time is removed, so if cops are aware of your escape, the only way that prison time back is to charge you again for the crimes you were already in prison for, but didn't serve because you escaped. This is sub optimal as you have to pay the fines again What I am suggesting is that instead of removing your prison time, your prison time gets paused as you get released from the prison by using different command instead of the current one From what I've read, I think everyone understands the suggestion and are offering their support and solutions. Even if you don't escape from prison, or there's a bug that get's you knocked out (like server restarts) a 'incarceration debt' would still allow that time to be served in it's entirety instead of getting off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelyr Posted September 8, 2019 Report Share Posted September 8, 2019 +1 seems nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCanadian Posted September 8, 2019 Report Share Posted September 8, 2019 +1, when i first broke out of prison i was surprised my charges werent added back. it didnt seem right. Maybe an in-between to what @Tomvd682 and @alexalex303 said could be the most reasonable solution? Proposal: You go to prison, pay your fines, and do the time. When you are broken out the script removes the charges you served time for (Wouldn't round up. You must serve the entire time of a charge for it to be removed by the script) so once you inevitably go back to prison you aren't waiting twice on the same crime. Also to add to this, maybe the script should only charge once. The first time you go to jail, once you break out and go back in jail, you do not re-pay for that fine? Not sure how this would be implemented, or if its even possible. but seems like the best "meet in the middle" Scenario i can think of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCactus Posted September 9, 2019 Report Share Posted September 9, 2019 +1 I never thought about this. In some American states you have to serve x3 the original time so the suggested solutions would be good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCanadian Posted September 9, 2019 Report Share Posted September 9, 2019 14 hours ago, TheCactus said: In some American states you have to serve x3 the original time so the suggested solutions would be good enough. I wasn't aware of this. This is good information to know when making a decision this big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
