MonikerOne Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 I for one think that scamming has the ability to ruin people's experience more than anything else. I recently read a report of when a guy got scammed for $3 million! There could be some kind of cap on the dollar amount you could scam for. Imagine being a new player, grinding out farms and mines, and then it's all taken away. Cya 20+ hours of work. I can imagine that many people have quit this game because of that very reason. Maybe there should be a system put in place that would allow you to do these sort of transfers safely. Maybe there could be a rule that a police officer needs to be present for people to transfer vehicles or houses. I understand that people scam in real life, but I personally feel that something as toxic as scamming exorbitant amounts of cash is game breaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nubbsauce Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 There should be a max scam value limit of $100K that's it. Any higher than that, it should be able to refunded and the transaction reversed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Carter Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 I agree, the old scam limit was fine. Scamming someone in a weapons deal down a shadey alley is good roleplay and should be allowed, but basically all the scams you hear about since the rule was removed have been people taking advantages of flaws in the server's trade system (or lack thereof). If two parties want to make an exchange they should be able to visit a government office and sit down with some sort of official, and sign documents that make it legal (both ICly and OOCly). The government could take a small cut of the transaction and that would be problem solved. Trading in illegal goods should have no scam protection, but trading cars/houses etc. should definitely be protected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonikerOne Posted August 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 Completely agreed about scamming illegal goods should not be protected. I also agree with an 100k limit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mopop Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 Isn't there already proper channels for selling cars and houses? The only drawback is paying the taxes? Like If I'm selling a house I can have them pay at the door, or list the car at HE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaim Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 House/Vehicle scams are so unreasonable since in real life it's sort of non-existent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bala Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 Agree, you should be able to trade properties for sure as there would be a lot of legal work involved. Trading guns in an alley or drugs though, every man or woman for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizzidy Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenichis Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 I agree with that it destroys the experience for vulnerable new players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillJ Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 +1 I think there should definitely be a limit for 'legal' scams, like houses, cars etc, maybe like 50-100k, but illegal stuff, like guns or drugs should be every man for themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nubbsauce Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 (edited) As I stated, the max scam amount should be $100K. That means you can scam for anything under $100K (As $100K isn't hard to regain). What the above 100K protects is any vehicle and house over 100K. I do agree that if you are making a deal to buy guns and ammo illegally, and they scam you, oh well, that is within the RP of being a criminal and you should be careful who you deal with. However getting scammed out of a car or a house shouldn't be possible as in the real world you have deeds and titles that are still in the hands of the owner until the car/house is payed off. Edited August 5, 2019 by Nubbsauce 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gohena Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, Nubbsauce said: As I stated, the max scam amount should be $100K. That means you can scam for anything under $100K (As $100K isn't hard to regain). What the above 100K protects is any vehicle and house over 100K. I do agree that if you are making a deal to buy guns and ammo illegally, and they scam you, oh well, that is within the RP of being a criminal and you should be careful who you deal with. However getting scammed out of a car or a house shouldn't be possible as in the real world you have deeds and titles that are still in the hands of the owner until the car/house is payed off. for real though +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mopop Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 Usually people getting paid in cash are trying to avoid taxes and fees. That's what comes with buying something under the table...there is a proper way to buy all of these items everyone is being scammed out of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nubbsauce Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 42 minutes ago, CarlTTT said: Usually people getting paid in cash are trying to avoid taxes and fees. That's what comes with buying something under the table...there is a proper way to buy all of these items everyone is being scammed out of. Yes and to be honest, 5% is nothing.... XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Carter Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 45 minutes ago, CarlTTT said: Usually people getting paid in cash are trying to avoid taxes and fees. That's what comes with buying something under the table...there is a proper way to buy all of these items everyone is being scammed out of. People also trade, and there should be a legal and protected way to do this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mopop Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Malcolm Carter said: People also trade, and there should be a legal and protected way to do this True, I know cities their PD will do a safe spot for that for doing online trades like craigslist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zion Willard Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 -1, there are already avenues to sell assets where you don’t have to worry about being scammed (high end / script selling houses). There is no reason to make this OOC since it simply limits RP for others. Using an OOC means just to avoid tax is non-rp in and of itself, and limits what people can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zion Willard Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 (edited) IRL you would still have to pay taxes for the trade of a vehicle. Still -1 imo, if you’re trading supers work up a contract and go in detail listing items as collateral. There’s no reason to restrict RP just for the sake of people being lazy. Edited August 5, 2019 by Zion Willard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizzidy Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 10 hours ago, Zion Willard said: IRL you would still have to pay taxes for the trade of a vehicle. Still -1 imo, if you’re trading supers work up a contract and go in detail listing items as collateral. There’s no reason to restrict RP just for the sake of people being lazy. I sold my vehicle and I was informed that I did not have to report it to taxes because the sale was under 5000. Your blanket tax evasion argument doesn't jive with the fact that there are way more variables at hand. In real life a person pays taxes yes, but in real life a person also can't take your 300k and vanish into thin air by logging out... and scamming the imaginary city treasury out of 5% because they don't know how to do income taxes properly, does not equate to supporting actively the ability to straight up powergame by scamming which is a crime, in a no crime zone. Sorry hard +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallinByNature Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 This has been suggested in the past and discussed. Scamming OOC is against the rules, scamming IC is not and is an in-character issue. You should not hand over assets to people you dont trust ICly, and we will not make protections around first time deals. Thanks for the suggestion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
