MikeyyyG Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 Suggestion: Police need to change the way they impound cars or the NCZ should be removed. Reason: I recently got arrested while I was in my Comet Retro. The police decided they would be impounding my car. There were far to many cops for my gang to attempt to break me out but they decided to try and save my car from being impounded. Instead of calling for a tow truck to take my comet to the impound an officer decided to drive my comet himself. I feel that this is very unrealistic as a standard police officer would not personally drive a criminals car who has just been arrested for having a heavy weapon. Since PD officer knows that the impound is an NCZ they usually if not always drive at extreme speeds to the impound to prevent any sort of RP of my gang trying to get my car back. I have experienced this multiple times when I have tried to prevent someones car from being impounded but the cop decides to drive at speeds of 200km+ and drive recklessly on the wrong side of the road etc. I know if the impound wasn't an NCZ it would be a constant "hands up! release my car now" which is also not very realistic. I am not exactly sure of a way to prevent this from happening while allowing gangs to prevent members cars from being impounded, which is why I have suggested that PD members should have a set protocol when it comes to impounding vehicles. I would like to have seen the officers call a tow truck and have backup vehicles escorting the car to the impound instead of an officer driving criminals cars to the impound while breaking every road traffic law there is. 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaden Smith Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 Ya that sounds a little wild, cop driving criminals car to the impound lol. +1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riderz Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 +1 Non-rp for an officer to do so 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramz Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 Make it so that criminals target police for impounding vehicles? -1 If the guiding framework is realism, I can't imagine any person, criminal or otherwise, willing to risk prison time over an impounded vehicle. Making a mountain out of a molehill. Police driving these cars to impound does not deprive anyone of rich RP. If the goal is a coordinated break-out attempt RP, do it for the prisoner, not a vehicle that costs a couple grand to get out after time is served anyways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyyyG Posted July 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Gramz said: Make it so that criminals target police for impounding vehicles? -1 If the guiding framework is realism, I can't imagine any person, criminal or otherwise, willing to risk prison time over an impounded vehicle. Making a mountain out of a molehill. Police driving these cars to impound does not deprive anyone of rich RP. If the goal is a coordinated break-out attempt RP, do it for the prisoner, not a vehicle that costs a couple grand to get out after time is served anyways. There is multiple reasons why people would want to stop a car from being impounded. Expensive cars cost a lot more than a couple grand to get released Impound wait times can be very long. (I've personally waited over 40 minutes for my car) If the car was impounded due to speeding the license would most likely be suspended for a few days meaning it will be harder to get out. Lower gang members stopping one of the higher up gang members car from being impounded leads to them being recognised for their actions and can help with promotions within the gang. As for the last point, sometimes its almost physically impossible to break out the prisoner, where as with a car usually its only one cop doing the transportation. Edited July 8, 2019 by MikeyyyG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flucifial Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 I understand where you're coming from, and someone support the suggestion, but I also need you to look at it this way: Sometimes, tow trucks are not always available to tow a vehicle which is why PD have in the past drove the cars to the impound themselves, however, it is still against protocol for them to be breaking traffic laws, especially in a vehicle without the ability to add a Code response (lights, sirens, etc.) and can be reported via Internal Affairs, as I personally believe that speeding and running lights while transporting an impounded vehicle is more IC corruption then anything UNLESS the officer already knows he is being followed/chased by your fellow gang members. Some mechanics either can't or won't even accept calls from PD to impound vehicles anymore, for whatever reason they may have, and we/they cannot force them to do so (at least not yet) but it could easily be a disregard for official faction duties which would be a breach in server rules. PD should never transport the cars themselves (imo) unless they have already attempted to call a tow truck and one has not responded. I do not agree with removing the NCZ within impounds, but keep in mind if you see stuff like this happening (police not attempting to call a tow truck and transporting vehicles themselves, or needlessly breaking traffic laws) you can report it to Internal Affairs. While it could be considered Non-Roleplay, I would never issue punishments for actions like these, at least without advice from Senior Administration. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikolay69 Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 Massive +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drek20 Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 (edited) Meh Edited July 9, 2019 by Drek20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Raven Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 11 hours ago, MikeyyyG said: Suggestion: Police need to change the way they impound cars or the NCZ should be removed. Reason: I recently got arrested while I was in my Comet Retro. The police decided they would be impounding my car. There were far to many cops for my gang to attempt to break me out but they decided to try and save my car from being impounded. Instead of calling for a tow truck to take my comet to the impound an officer decided to drive my comet himself. I feel that this is very unrealistic as a standard police officer would not personally drive a criminals car who has just been arrested for having a heavy weapon. Since PD officer knows that the impound is an NCZ they usually if not always drive at extreme speeds to the impound to prevent any sort of RP of my gang trying to get my car back. I have experienced this multiple times when I have tried to prevent someones car from being impounded but the cop decides to drive at speeds of 200km+ and drive recklessly on the wrong side of the road etc. I know if the impound wasn't an NCZ it would be a constant "hands up! release my car now" which is also not very realistic. I am not exactly sure of a way to prevent this from happening while allowing gangs to prevent members cars from being impounded, which is why I have suggested that PD members should have a set protocol when it comes to impounding vehicles. I would like to have seen the officers call a tow truck and have backup vehicles escorting the car to the impound instead of an officer driving criminals cars to the impound while breaking every road traffic law there is. -1 This seems like more of an IC issue and I will try and explain why. - PD is supposed to call a tow truck either from their own precinct or a mechanic, sometimes this isn't possible so depending on the situation an officer can drive the car to the impound lot. This is not illegal or unrealistic given the circumstances, if you have an issue with this it should be addressed in the form of an IA report in hopes that High Command changes LSPD protocol on Impounding vehicles. - PD driving impounded vehicles with no escort, at high speeds and no code 2 or 3 (lights and/or sirens), while not fearing for his safety is definitely something that is not allowed and would most likely constitute OOC corruption as the officer would be actively breaking traffic laws. Having said this, in situations where an officer is being actively chased by a gang or escorted by cruisers with code 2/3 capabilities than this would (in my opinion) be valid. If you have witnessed the former then feel free to post an OOC and IC IA report on the officer. TL:DR most of what is being discussed is already out of protocol and borders on OOC corruption so it should be addressed through either an IC or OOC report, if you are actively chasing and preventing an officer from impounding a vehicle then don't be surprised if they call it in and try and evade you while waiting for backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Pete Posted July 8, 2019 Report Share Posted July 8, 2019 +0. I'm on the fence about this. I think the only change/addition here could be tighter regulation on impounding vehicles as PD. I don't agree that a tow truck is completely necessary but if one can be utilised it certainly should. In my opinion, it's not unrealistic for a police officer to drive a vehicle to an impound. However, it certainly would be unrealistic for them to drive recklessly in that vehicle. That said, that would be an IC issue and an IA report would seem like the best route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bala Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 On 7/8/2019 at 1:10 AM, MikeyyyG said: Suggestion: Police need to change the way they impound cars or the NCZ should be removed. Reason: I recently got arrested while I was in my Comet Retro. The police decided they would be impounding my car. There were far to many cops for my gang to attempt to break me out but they decided to try and save my car from being impounded. Instead of calling for a tow truck to take my comet to the impound an officer decided to drive my comet himself. I feel that this is very unrealistic as a standard police officer would not personally drive a criminals car who has just been arrested for having a heavy weapon. Since PD officer knows that the impound is an NCZ they usually if not always drive at extreme speeds to the impound to prevent any sort of RP of my gang trying to get my car back. I have experienced this multiple times when I have tried to prevent someones car from being impounded but the cop decides to drive at speeds of 200km+ and drive recklessly on the wrong side of the road etc. I know if the impound wasn't an NCZ it would be a constant "hands up! release my car now" which is also not very realistic. I am not exactly sure of a way to prevent this from happening while allowing gangs to prevent members cars from being impounded, which is why I have suggested that PD members should have a set protocol when it comes to impounding vehicles. I would like to have seen the officers call a tow truck and have backup vehicles escorting the car to the impound instead of an officer driving criminals cars to the impound while breaking every road traffic law there is. So, there were too many cops online for your faction to break you out but stealing back your car is some how a worthwhile endeavour? If we're talking about realistic behaviours, I think we have to acknowledge that's a bit of a double standard. If we're talking realism, there would be hundreds of police officers in a city this big with special towing units. PD has 125 people and usually about 10 of those on. It's not always practical to go and get a tow-truck. Most times we will use a tow-truck but when an issue is time sensitive or it's a bike for example, we'll take it ourselves. As for the PD officer driving at excessive speeds, that sounds like the sort of thing that would be an in-character IA report issue, not for a suggestion forum. I also resent the implication that the PD wants to prevent role-play with anyone, I think that's actually slanderous. We do have a set protocol when impounding vehicles, thank you very much. I would like to see you guys not use masks to hide your identities constantly but I doubt that will happen. Think you have to perhaps accept the practicalities of the situation and not make a mountain out of a molehill. IPPU, we coming for you. You didn't suggest an alternative, 9/10 times it's a towtruck that is responsible for a vehicle getting towed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jowebb7 Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) On 7/7/2019 at 10:16 PM, Flucifial said: Sometimes, tow trucks are not always available to tow a vehicle which is why PD have in the past drove the cars to the impound themselves, Doesnt PD have access to tow trucks? I am a mechanic and I always to my best to give PD calls for impounds my highest priority but there are times when I am physically already working on a car on the other side of town. +1 Edited July 9, 2019 by jowebb7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flucifial Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 PD does, but an officer would have to leave the scene to go get a tow truck (which is a job typically reserved for Cadets) and sometimes, scenes are out of town or far from PD. It's not their job to tow cars themselves (at least right now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xoza Posted July 9, 2019 Report Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) Usual procedure is, and can be very situational depending on what else is going on around the city. Call Mechanic Services Wait 60 seconds. (powergaming rules state 30, but it's not really powergaming so I do it for good measure either way.) Call to see if a unit is at PD already, available to provide towing services. (I'd rarely send a unit to PD, to get a truck, depending on distance and situation of course.) Wait 20 seconds, checking in any checking units to see if I can get someone for about 60 seconds again (All while the Mechanic service call is still active). If no one can be found, verify the vehicle is operational and clear from any investigation needs. Drive or have the vehicle driven to impound. (Within speed limits and again, situational). A police officer driving a suspect vehicle is also not Non-RP and done IRL as well... Just like a criminal, can get away with driving a police officer's vehicle. -1 though. In the end it's an IC complaint. Edited July 9, 2019 by Xoza 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvador Rivera Posted July 10, 2019 Report Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) Them should put in PD special TowTruck Divison or the new guys who join as Cadet . give him a job to drive with tow truck and earn first rank up after while Edited July 10, 2019 by Chris Bluestone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
