Police balances

[Perez1025]

8 hours ago, Clank said:

As someone that survived that exact encounter you're referring to. This simply is not true. You did not kill the same cop 3 times in the same shootout.

There was about 3 LSPD members that survived total, me being one of them. Around the same amount of Sheriffs Deputies survived the encounter. 

So unless you went out of your way to find the same guy three times while he was performing unrelated duties, I can safely say you did /not/ kill the same cop 3 times in the same shootout.

Hey think what you want all g

[raganrogaine]

Good luck policing all the civs when there are no crims left guys

[vZelfeR]

As someone who was stuck in pillbox during the OFFGRID encounter, who had no involvement in the shootout (wrong place wrong time) and just had to wait until  the RP was finished; there were 2 individuals that kept running out to try and loot bodies breaking NLR, they were told multiple times to stay in pillbox which they eventually did when Cup dealt with the situation. The other 2 who ran out, I knew, and two of them were gunned down while trying to loot the bodies (no affiliation to off grid but expected that to happen) after they died they stayed in pillbox. But this is irrelevant to the topic. 
 

There is an issue on both sides relating to NonRp and PvP mentality, having been legal most of my RP time for a few years I haven’t wanted to touch crim as I cannot stand the NRP from crims, either picklocking cars during admin events, any events or for the fun of it in busy areas under CCTV (which is completely ridiculous that this is facilitated, we all know who does it), as well as the rule baiting in labs and constant robbing is quite frankly boring. 
 

Now I have started playing more crim and when the RP is done properly it’s a lot of fun, some LEOs are amazing and RP with you, offer you the chance to RP resisting and can actually have a laugh. There are a lot of other LEOs that seem to get OOC annoyed and don’t RP at all; not sure what the point of joining an RP server is if you’re not going to RP and just want your ego stroked. But as I said this goes for both sides but at the moment this is pretty abhorrent on the LEO side and is a big reason why people are leaving the server. Only last week a cop arrested my friend and started gloating about it OOCly that they couldn’t evade, only there to win not to RP. Have had the same with Shadows before, we all woke up in pillbox and this individual is straight in OOC chat boasting about how they had fewer numbers and still did well. 

A recent example, I’m being told to leave the area by a cop, I refuse, he has every right to detain me or point a weapon at me and shoot me if I carry on refusing; instead, another cop who seems to be in a bad mood with no intention of RP, rams my vehicle to perma stall it 3 times and at this point I’m not even detained or arrested. Complete win mentality from this cop and a big problem. And to repeat what Earl said, IA reports do nothing, JB is pointless and reports do not solve the issue.

The issue comes from the top, it’s a big issue when senior LEOs and the deputy chief of police refuse to roleplay. But I will reiterate, the issue of NRP is on both sides but at the moment some LEOs and crims need to do much better.

Edited September 18, 2025 by vZelfeR

[Asbo]

3 minutes ago, vZelfeR said:

deputy chief of police refuse to roleplay.

@MrSilky damn you refuse?

[vZelfeR]

5 minutes ago, Asbo said:

@MrSilky damn you refuse?

I might’ve had the wrong job title but it came across as poor RP whoever it was. It wasn’t Silky!

Edited September 18, 2025 by vZelfeR

[WoodsKW]

1 hour ago, vZelfeR said:

As someone who was stuck in pillbox during the OFFGRID encounter, who had no involvement in the shootout (wrong place wrong time) and just had to wait until  the RP was finished; there were 2 individuals that kept running out to try and loot bodies breaking NLR, they were told multiple times to stay in pillbox which they eventually did when Cup dealt with the situation. The other 2 who ran out, I knew, and two of them were gunned down while trying to loot the bodies (no affiliation to off grid but expected that to happen) after they died they stayed in pillbox. But this is irrelevant to the topic. 
 

There is an issue on both sides relating to NonRp and PvP mentality, having been legal most of my RP time for a few years I haven’t wanted to touch crim as I cannot stand the NRP from crims, either picklocking cars during admin events, any events or for the fun of it in busy areas under CCTV (which is completely ridiculous that this is facilitated, we all know who does it), as well as the rule baiting in labs and constant robbing is quite frankly boring. 
 

Now I have started playing more crim and when the RP is done properly it’s a lot of fun, some LEOs are amazing and RP with you, offer you the chance to RP resisting and can actually have a laugh. There are a lot of other LEOs that seem to get OOC annoyed and don’t RP at all; not sure what the point of joining an RP server is if you’re not going to RP and just want your ego stroked. But as I said this goes for both sides but at the moment this is pretty abhorrent on the LEO side and is a big reason why people are leaving the server. Only last week a cop arrested my friend and started gloating about it OOCly that they couldn’t evade, only there to win not to RP. Have had the same with Shadows before, we all woke up in pillbox and this individual is straight in OOC chat boasting about how they had fewer numbers and still did well. 

A recent example, I’m being told to leave the area by a cop, I refuse, he has every right to detain me or point a weapon at me and shoot me if I carry on refusing; instead, another cop who seems to be in a bad mood with no intention of RP, rams my vehicle to perma stall it 3 times and at this point I’m not even detained or arrested. Complete win mentality from this cop and a big problem. And to repeat what Earl said, IA reports do nothing, JB is pointless and reports do not solve the issue.

The issue comes from the top, it’s a big issue when senior LEOs and the deputy chief of police refuse to roleplay. But I will reiterate, the issue of NRP is on both sides but at the moment some LEOs and crims need to do much better.

And for anybody that would like to dispute this, I think every person that is not law enforcement could list all the bad RP they have seen from officers and it would be a lot of the same names. Problem is, many of them are high ranking officers, GND, people that the cadets and newer recruits take lead from and this bad RP becomes the norm because the newer people see it as being okay. Then you have a server full of cops, who shall remain nameless, but I assure you everybody will think the same people when thinking of negative experiences, likewise with the positive.

[imran]

The solution is simple: no limit rules, no overpowered police vehicles. Fast helicopters are acceptable, and high-tier weapons for cops are acceptable. But if criminals spend millions on fast vehicles only for police or sheriffs to show up with even better cars and chase suspects 1 vs 15+, what’s the point of that? This is an RP server, not cops and robbers. Cops should accept this. Just because a suspect has a supercar doesn’t mean they also need one. Police can work as a team to stop him block roads with spikes, have detectives track him later, etc. That way, the server will focus more on roleplay instead of simple 5-minute chases.

I’d highly recommend that faction management remove all fast meta cars from cops, leaving them with the normal Maverick and standard cruisers (remove cars like Jaguars, Banshee GTs, Retro Elegy Classic, Coquette D10, Dominator GTX). For GTA 5’s engine, even super and sports cars barely reach 200, while police cruisers can easily hit 210. If this unfair gameplay continues against illegal RP, the server will just die like other servers I used to play on, you even see that its dying slowly right now.
 

[Bala]

It is actually somewhat possible that the server has simply had it's time and it will end up going to the same way that almost every other server goes, whether people want that to happen or not. Interest in GTA V is somewhat on the decline and as a RAGE-MP server, we're definitely on the wrong platform for growth. So, I think even if you are somewhat of an optimist, a drop is somewhat inevitable.

I consider myself fortunate that, having been here for six and a half years, I got at least 3-4 years where Eclipse was incredibly fun to play and it got me through a divorce, especially in the first couple years but when I look at threads like this, being driven by people with double digit posts on these forums who have likely been here, at most for a year or two, I find the subject matter actually quite naïve.

Because for me, the problem is somewhat two-fold.

• One, is that the frustration that criminal role-players in particular have, is somewhat misplaced and is not necessary a frustration specific to the police factions but the overall experience of playing their role on the server. They hate the game, not the player.
• Two, that we've fostered an environment where we have manufactured soft community members, no matter what your role is. People don't want to play things out, people aren't willing to endure negative situations and if they do have a problem, legitimate or not, they will have a platform to be heard but the concerns aren't necessarily ever addressed.

Simply put, we could address everything that has been said in this thread by crims, in terms of police balances and as God as my witness, it wouldn't make a difference. It'd be something else next week.

@imran said this isn't a cops and robbers server, it's an RP server. Respectfully imran, the server was a more enjoyable experience when it was a cops and robbers server. Before we decided to over-complicate being law enforcement, before we sold out / unbalanced the server and before we decided that everyone's feelings mattered, ECRP was great.

The RP aspect hasn't ever really been that great, if we're being honest.

Back in June/July, I took the liberty of contacting the big crim factions, prepared a litany of suggestions to improve the server for criminals and nerfing PD was not on any of them. But, stuff like improving the prison was at #1. We started to make those changes in July, with a number of changes and then, nothing.

I still believe in the content of that thread, and if more was added from it, crim would be in a better place.

But then, I also think there are certain aspects of the server that need to be fucked off from being a cop, so the focus can go back to RP and actively doing stuff.

• Fucking off the court system, which doesn't and has not ever properly worked for either side, and by proxy, the extra effort everyone has to go through on the off chance there is a case.
• People automatically getting their shit back when they are released from jail/prison, instead of depending on a cop to return it.
• Improve the fucking prison. We got an entire faction that sits there and criminals would bitch about going their less, if it wasn't such a dog shit experience from an OOC point of view.

PD isn't ever getting nerfed like some of the people want it to, in this thread and neither should it. I said it before in this thread, but you ain't going to make playing crim better on ECRP by making being a cop more shit.

[Jordan]

58 minutes ago, Bala said:

Because for me, the problem is somewhat two-fold.

I can agree with some of the points made here. Firstly, Bala is right, even if the PD/Crim argument is tended to, and changes are made there will always be something on the server to cause outrage. However I woefully disagree with the idea that "You hate the game not the player" As someone who has been playing crim for two years straight I think its safe to say the imbalance is very apparent, and whether or not thats the intended outcome that "police are meant to win" isn't really the problem its the fact that there are standout bad actors that have gone completely unpunished, and unnoticed. If we're looking to have better roleplay interactions I feel that there needs to be a higher standard for roleplay on BOTH sides. For instance there are clips going around of PD wasting an entire room of criminals and then saying stuff like "Shit gang" I dont think thats appropriate roleplay for police, I just don't think that'd even slide in real life without some severe reprimand, nor do I think it should slide oocly as all it does is breed toxicity within the community. At the same time I dont think crims should be going around blaming ALL of PD. There are some exemplary models in the LEO community for sure. I have heard loads of praise about Jessica Nash for instance, however I cannot speak on her interactions as I have only interacted with her once or twice. I think as a community we need to take more responsibility for our own actions.

[Eliza]

1 hour ago, Bala said:

Fucking off the court system, which doesn't and has not ever properly worked for either side, and by proxy, the extra effort everyone has to go through on the off chance there is a case.

Court cases could be done in a week or 2 max, I don’t know the full extent to what goes on admittedly, but it doesn’t and shouldn’t take 10 months to gather an arrest report, statements and other relevant paperwork, and schedule a time and date to prove someone’s guilt or innocence, if stuff isn’t provided in a timely manner then keep it inadmissible for the case

[Kon]

1 hour ago, Bala said:

Improve the fucking prison. We got an entire faction that sits there and criminals would bitch about going their less, if it wasn't such a dog shit experience from an OOC point of view.

Iv'e been saying this for years and iv'e added many ideas in your original post, knowing the fact that there is a competent police force and a consequence behind your actions is the ONLY reason being a crim is fun. But the fact that being arrested is not a CHANGE of roleplay, but instead, a FULL STOP to RP is most people's frustration with LEO's whether they know it or not. DOC is straight up trash and needs dev's immediate attention over everything else. Only once this is addressed and fixed can we really begin to help people who enjoy criminal roleplay.

It's so frustrating seeing this exact post every 6 months for the past 6 years, PD/SD is completely fine as they are right now. they are doing what they are supposed to do, which is make being a criminal rewarding, challenging and fun.

To touch on the fact PD/SD has Niobe's and banshee's, they are only pulled out if you are in an overpowered car yourself so who fucking cares. They also have their fair share of jugular drivers who have good fps and keep up with me just fine going 240 everywhere. I haven't seen that new heli going 270 or whatever but the speed of the heli doesn't even matter, you don't lose a heli by going fast anyway so stop crying for 0. 

 

 

[Kon]

On 9/18/2025 at 7:22 PM, WoodsKW said:

And for anybody that would like to dispute this, I think every person that is not law enforcement could list all the bad RP they have seen from officers

bro, have you seen the RP from the average crim? MOST LEO's that have 1 year+ under their belt have decent enough RP for this server that lets be honest.

actual roleplay on this server has been on a decline forver and to think it can try and impove in that aspect going forward as the player base declines is a pipedream.

IMO all we can do is patch up the major issues, stop expecting A++ RP from LEO's and factions with all the ooc trash they have to do to simply exist, let them play and enjoy what time we have left, which can be a decent amount of time. I'm not all doom and gloom, I think there is plently of fun times ahead. But we need development assistance or we can continue to rot and cry about the same shit everyone has been crying about for years now.

[Mrpyth0n33]

LEOs complain when being "hunted" during demon hours, i know they complained about shadows, but most shadows i know can only play at those times, so it was not that people purposely, logged in only at those times to hunt LEOs, the pager is bullshit, when GND decides to trace someone and fuck them over, only because of affiliation, when the pager is used for raids, its not always the case the a full roster is active and crims cannot pager to contest it, the rooks massacre the other day for eg. No one was doing any crime, no stores being robbed no bank nothing that would warrent all of GNDs attention they were simply bored, pulling over and pulling rooks members out of the car for BS reasons leading to a toxic ass shootout, people i see complain off the forums about GND but soon as its mentioned here they change their wording but, i promise you all if LFM does not do something about the way GND act, they will kill off the server. This is a ROLEPLAY server, people need to recognise the difference between INTERACTION and ROLEPLAY, gnd dont roleplay they INTERACT 

https://youtu.be/I2PgCfHoQAI

Edited September 20, 2025 by Mrpyth0n33
Added context

[Mrpyth0n33]

On 9/17/2025 at 10:53 PM, imran said:

Allow leo members to use cheat menu equiped with ESPs and light aim assists.

I need some of whatever you smoked before you started writing this, spawn in other locations to block criminals?

 

On 9/17/2025 at 10:53 PM, imran said:

we need to fully stop criminal activity completly and let only police/sheriffs/legal RP players enjoys !

And how exactly are LEOS going to enjoy is all criminals stopped playing/doing crime what would LEOs role be? You realize you need crime to happen to be a cop right?

[Clank]

3 hours ago, Jordan said:

For instance there are clips going around of PD wasting an entire room of criminals and then saying stuff like "Shit gang" I dont think thats appropriate roleplay for police, I just don't think that'd even slide in real life without some severe reprimand, nor do I think it should slide oocly as all it does is breed toxicity within the community.

Hate to break it to you Jordan, but the "police" aren't always appropriate IRL. Considering there's hundreds of gangs INSIDE law enforcement departments that require you to murder innocent civilians to join.

I think you're missing important context for this situation! These we're not law abiding citizens, these were members of a violent criminal organization, armed, and actively shooting police! I'm sorry you felt what the police officers said in character during this shootout was not appropriate roleplay for police :(, however I can assure you that this in fact would slide in real life. Once you engage law enforcement in a shootout, all form of professionalism toward the shooter goes out of the window. Are they supposed to give you a handshake and congratulate you for  your actions during the shootout? Would that be more appropriate instead?

 

I'm also sorry you feel that someone's character insulting another person's character breeds toxicity. Perhaps if you feel this way we should start cracking down on any form of conflict roleplay so we don't breed more toxicity. Let's start alliances between all the gangs and have bonfires instead of pushing each other at labs. Wouldn't want to breed toxicity with shootouts either! 

I think it's important we learn to separate IC and OOC.

 

Should these two officers have received severe reprimands too for telling the suspect to "crawl motherfucker" and saying "you're gonna tazed bitch"? Timestamp: 2:18

https://youtu.be/j6B4doMfCMU?feature=shared&t=138

 

Should Sheriff Judd be impeached because of him telling reports that "there is no such thing as politcally correct in a gunfight" after a reporter asked him about comments made during a shootout? Timestamp 0:50

https://youtu.be/H9-WlXOeaBo?feature=shared&t=50

 

Same Sheriff saying his department should've shot someone more if they hadn't ran out of bullets. Should we riot for his unprofessionalism?

https://youtube.com/shorts/EVwW0h6tzJM?feature=shared

Edited September 20, 2025 by Clank
typo fix xx

[Clank]

1 hour ago, Mrpyth0n33 said:

the rooks massacre the other day for eg. No one was doing any crime, no stores being robbed no bank nothing that would warrent all of GNDs attention they were simply bored, pulling over and pulling rooks members out of the car for BS reasons leading to a toxic ass shootout,

Please, stop spreading misinformation on the forums to pander to sympathy.

Brother, It was a simple traffic stop that turned into a shootout because Rooks decided to shoot, but once rooks escaped (minus ONE Chase Vincero who was arrested because you decided to shoot) you guys went up north, shot SD who wasnt even involved. Then decided to not evade, but instead convoy up and lead officers into a holdout location.

As opposed to..? Just hiding and changing clothes/cars?

"Hey, I just shot a bunch of cops and we all managed to get away except one person. Maybe let's all go and park our vehicles, pull out different ones and change clothes!" 

Was that not a sensible alternative?

Nobody forced you to shoot. Nobody forced you to get involved in the traffic stop. 

Edited September 20, 2025 by Clank

[Mrpyth0n33]

4 minutes ago, Clank said:

I think you're missing important context for this situation!

Am i missing context of the situation? I think you miss the fact that, this is still infact a game that we all came to ENJOY, toxicity breeds unfortunately most peoples ,shit talk is not just their character anymore as you hear them on their leo alts screaming shit gang shit gang, and the same people used to say the same shit on their crim alts, so is it still playing a character when both your crim and leo alt acts the same? At some point it just becomes the player amd not the character

[Clank]

1 minute ago, Mrpyth0n33 said:

Am i missing context of the situation? I think you miss the fact that, this is still infact a game that we all came to ENJOY, toxicity breeds unfortunately most peoples ,shit talk is not just their character anymore as you hear them on their leo alts screaming shit gang shit gang, and the same people used to say the same shit on their crim alts, so is it still playing a character when both your crim and leo alt acts the same? At some point it just becomes the player amd not the character

When is the last time you heard Samuel Martin on his criminal alt say "shit gang".

Better yet, when is the last time Samuel Martin logged onto a criminal alt.

Edited September 20, 2025 by Clank

[Mrpyth0n33]

7 minutes ago, Clank said:

Brother, It was a simple traffic stop that turned into a shootout because Rooks decide to shoot, but once rooks escaped (minus ONE Chase Vincero who was arrested because you decided to shoot)

Not to start an argument but chase was pulled over and arrested because he pulled over and dropped a bag,which is not a crime,more an oic motive that he might have a gun i agree the shots fired initially were uncalled for but shot at SD, that is false all the rooks were together doung something no one just went up north to shoot SD that was probably not rooks but miscommunication and seen as the same people shooting chase got arrested everyone bolted to get away and unfortunately were actively getting hunted, airone was on us and we went into a building to escape but the heli flew in the warehouse and used thermals to spot us,also these are only my views amd not that of all rooks involved

[Mrpyth0n33]

12 minutes ago, Clank said:

When is the last time you heard Samuel Martin on his criminal alt say "shit gang".

Better yet, when is the last time Samuel Martin logged onto a criminal alt.

I am not singling out samuel martin on this, GND cannot have criminal alts we all know that but most or all of GND used to have crim alts and always bring up when they were criminals they did this or dod that, forgetting back then 40 people in a gang could hold candy paynes roof and wipe all of rhe 10 LEOs that were around, im not complaning at all about being caught, im saying the interaction vs roleplay, its not ONLY about interacting, SD management recently made an announcement (yes i have an SD alt and understand how some criminals can get) that made me see hope that not all LEOs are only here to catch arrests but look at the roleplay factor too, in the end it takes criminals doing things to give LEOs roleplay, interactions are natural, roleplay takes co operation, im not saying lay off criminals but make it fun for both sides, like a pursuit is more fun for both sides if it isnt instantly ended by shots or ramming, the same can be said for other interactions, if roleplay is implemented more i think people would feel less butt hurt over being arrested imo

[Clank]

 

31 minutes ago, Mrpyth0n33 said:

I am not singling out samuel martin on this, GND cannot have criminal alts we all know that but most or all of GND used to have crim alts and always bring up when they were criminals they did this or dod that, forgetting back then 40 people in a gang could hold candy paynes roof and wipe all of rhe 10 LEOs that were around, im not complaning at all about being caught, im saying the interaction vs roleplay, its not ONLY about interacting, SD management recently made an announcement (yes i have an SD alt and understand how some criminals can get) that made me see hope that not all LEOs are only here to catch arrests but look at the roleplay factor too, in the end it takes criminals doing things to give LEOs roleplay, interactions are natural, roleplay takes co operation, im not saying lay off criminals but make it fun for both sides, like a pursuit is more fun for both sides if it isnt instantly ended by shots or ramming, the same can be said for other interactions, if roleplay is implemented more i think people would feel less butt hurt over being arrested imo

I think you need to understand that fun is subjective, roleplay is dynamic and specific roleplay scenarios are fluid. Not every situation is black & white. Jason Steel, Grace Steel, Samuel Martin and my character drove past OTF headquarters earlier. My character was looking for masks, to conduct gang enforcement duties. HOWEVER, OTF approached our characters in a way that was not cause for concern, and in fact showed hospitality. Everyone cracked jokes, spoke with each other and laughed. My character even ended up staying behind and playing dice with 3 OTF members for like 15 minutes afterward. 

Not to be taken the wrong way, but I think that you and other members of this community do not realize that characters take actions and actions come with consequences. There is a cause, and an effect. We should also learn to distinguish between IC and OOC as a community. Someone could be a complete toxic cunt with their character, but be a chill dude on discord and on the forums. 

Characters also have flaws, have strengths and should be developed over time based on their actions and the experiences they have in character. 

 

An example:

I have a .50 on my character. He is a known criminal. He just drove like a dumbass and was stopped. The officer stopping him is going to charge him with reckless driving. This is a 15 minute jail sentence OOC. The officer was smart, conducted his stop and acted calm, kept his cool. My character showed him his license hoping that he would get off with a ticket. The officer comes back and tells my character to get out of the car. 

I now have a couple of choices staring my character down right now.

A) He can comply, take the 30 minutes for the handgun and 15 minutes for the reckless for a total of 45 minutes and lose his license for 6 hours and have his car impounded. However he will be out of jail shortly and be able to continue his adventures after the short period in jail.

B) He can evade, possibly escape and catch a warrant for 60 minutes because of evading. He does get to keep his handgun though, his car is not impounded and he is free to do whatever he wants until next time he gets caught for his warrant.

C) He can evade, possibly get caught and catch 60 minutes in prison for evading, 30 for the handgun, possibly another 60 for the endangerment charge he might get for his driving depending if he performs well or not. So he would lose his license for 6 hours, be in jail for a total 2 and a half hours and also lose his handgun. Possibly missing out on whatever he was planning on doing earlier. However, he made the choice to run and failed. Now he must suffer the consequences of his action. I had fun OOCly though because I CHOSE to do this OOCly. I MADE this decision.

Is there a right and wrong answer here? No. All of them can be fun and have their ups and downs. That is the point I'm trying to make. THAT is roleplay.

Edited September 20, 2025 by Clank
color :)

[WoodsKW]

3 hours ago, Kon said:

It's so frustrating seeing this exact post every 6 months for the past 6 years, PD/SD is completely fine as they are right now. they are doing what they are supposed to do, which is make being a criminal rewarding, challenging and fun.

 

I'm not on the "screw LEOs into the floor" agenda but saying doing what they are supposed to do when I got pulled over, last night, for going 20 over on the highway by SD and being told to step out of my vehicle so myself, my passenger and the car could be searched for a 2nd degree speeding offence? I would love an explanation as to why they are supposed to stop and search people for speeding, that's never happened to me IRL so why should it happen here, unless it is because the cop recognised the gang colours and was just pushing to catch us out for something else which is NRP, which is what I eluded to in my original post on this thread. Exact same situation that happened maybe a week ago by PD so both sides of law enforcement are guilty of it

[Soupiestfork]

To be honest, it's pretty clear GND needs some reigning in - considering basically every crim faction is dead. Not putting blame on anyone, just addressing an obvious concern. I've basically abandoned my crim alt altogether because *it's impossible / isn't fun* with the current dynamic.

That's all I'm going to say because I don't feel like getting lit up for having an opinion.

Edited September 20, 2025 by Soupiestfork

[Mrpyth0n33]

2 hours ago, Clank said:

Is there a right and wrong answer here? No. All of them can be fun and have their ups and downs. That is the point I'm trying to make. THAT is roleplay

Again i agree al3 of those CAN be fun but its not interaction that people havd a problem with when it comes to GND its the attitude and the immidiate END of roleplay that most people dont like, not all of gnd are borderline toxic and call it, their characters attitude but the ones that are being complained about are the ones that had the exact attitude on their alts, so when does it become ooc and not just how their character is, cause if you carry the exact same personality over from one character to another, then it no longer is just that character no? Yes all 3 the options you mentioned is always an option for every traffic stop but people get so frustrated by the fact that is they choose one of the two that involves trying to get away it gets ended instantly with pits and rams off the bat the persuit doesnt last and its over before it started, turning it from roleplay to just a brief interaction

[WoodsKW]

5 minutes ago, Mrpyth0n33 said:

Yes all 3 the options you mentioned is always an option for every traffic stop but people get so frustrated by the fact that is they choose one of the two that involves trying to get away it gets ended instantly with pits and rams off the bat the persuit doesnt last and its over before it started, turning it from roleplay to just a brief interaction

Don't think it takes a rocket scientist to see that this had a part to play in why OffGrid left the server, they were never in labs until a week or so before their departure and therefore all crimes committed were ones that offered the cops RP opportunities and more often than not, you tap a cop car in a pursuit and they start shooting or GND force you out of a car. I recall doing a bank and having Sam Martin 240 me into bus stop as i got into my car outside life invader, instantly stalling my car and giving me no chance to evade. That is his intention, to get the win and the arrest, but is not good interaction and certainly not good roleplay.

Every server you play PD are supposed to be the example of roleplay, not people that couldn't hack it as a crim so they do it as a cop and are as toxic as most gangs, with a badge, the court and a busted IA process to hide behind.