COPS / CRIM

[Charlie Mchoe]

MK2 weapons can't be removed because players purchased skins, and developers don't want refunded credits used to buy other items that would typically cost real money. The only options are to heavily nerf MK2 weapons or make their use prohibitively expensive.

It would be interesting to have police officers weapon options limited based on the number of PD/SD members online. For instance, with 10 officers online, they could use high-tier weapons like the AP Pistol and MK2 variants, but as more officers join, their available weapons would downgrade to less powerful options.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Kevin Biker]

2 minutes ago, Charlie Mchoe said:

The only options are to heavily nerf MK2 weapons or make their use prohibitively expensive.

whats the point of it being a mk2 then if ur nerfing the damage on it ? might aswell call it a mk1 lol
 

Edited June 6, 2025 by Kevin Biker

[Charlie Mchoe]

ye make them worse, go back to only ak, smg, micro, tec, shotgun

Only op thing pd had was a sniper and 5000 members

1 minute ago, Kevin Biker said:

whats the point of it being a mk2 then if ur nerfing the damage on it ? might aswell call it a mk1 lol

[Kevin Biker]

1 minute ago, Charlie Mchoe said:

Only op thing pd had was a sniper and 5000 members

3 minutes ago, Kevin Biker said:

i mean that's still the case to this day. Allot of people on PD accounts because they get everything for free, IMO aswell, just like crims have something called "backup breach" it should be somewhat applied to PD, "backup breach meaning we can't seek assistince from other factions" that legit only applies to CRIMS because cops can call every single Faction they got to help in a fight. thats just so unfair, if ur department dont got the numbers to push a lab or fight crims dont take the fight why call 5 factions to come and help, so now we got what used to be a 5v10 against cop turning into a 5v40 : ) Wasn't it the point to make it fair for both sides why no1 talking about this ? why is it they can call for x ammount of factions to help them in a fight just because they are all "legals" and us crims can't? like applie a rule that applies for both sides not just crims XD

[Jellay]

Isn't it lovely how these threads don't come to fruition because both sides can't seem to have a normal discussion? 

I've taken my time to talk to multiple members of the community of both sides. Both sides are willing to change, yet feel that the other needs to change first. We've been in an ever escalating spiral over the past few years and both sides are equally guilty. Lets keep it short and sweet: 

Things crims would like to see change: 
- Remove MK2's from both sides. 
- Remove snipers and heavy sniper MK2 / thermal
- Demilitarize DOC & GOV. 
- Limit amount of ammunition/armor that can be retrieved from their faction vehicle. This is a problem where criminals are locked up inside cave/cove. 
- Make it so that CI's can only snitch on their own gang. Gangs are responsible for their own recruitment. If they recruit a CI, that is on them. However having CI's snitch on other gangs is an issue. 
- Get some sort of counter for K9

Things LEO want to see: 
- Blunt abuse: Blunt is currently a very unstable and unrealistic thing. Hit a blunt for 1 puff and you heal up slowly but surely. Either change the way it works or add a new item with a timer such as a "bandage".
- Anim abuse: Just add a timer on animations. People spamming to lay down should be countered. 
- Stop the zerging at night: This indeed is a problem that is only making the situation worse. 


As of now we've have 10+ threads from criminal side begging for change. In these threads we are not highlighting what LEO wants to change either. I invite LEO players to also provide us with them. This way we will have a list of things we can review and go down. 

In the end we all want to have fun. Currently it seems that the fun for anyone is dying out.  

[PrexDal]

6 hours ago, HobGoblin said:

GND aren't going around to labs for no reason, you can OOC IA if you want something to be looked into. Every report is checked and you'll find 99.9% of the time they did nothing wrong.

Yeah, but the reasons they "patrol" the labs is honestly bs.

Me as a "Crim" can tell a cop that I saw "heavies" in lab etc, they'll go there, see heavies, and raid the lab.

 

Make it NRP for crims to snitch on "heavies" which truly is just a loophole for the rule that's already in place.

[Hubie]

Just want some clarification on this.... is this not the same?

I own a 175 AP; here is what it looks like while on. here is a POV from a cop, https://imgur.com/a/eTColBm
Maybe I'm dumb but this is the same.... I'm just not sure why we are still denying that cops have 175 AP. 

Edited June 6, 2025 by Lincoln Derose

[Jokl]

44 minutes ago, Kevin Biker said:

i mean that's still the case to this day. Allot of people on PD accounts because they get everything for free, IMO aswell, just like crims have something called "backup breach" it should be somewhat applied to PD, "backup breach meaning we can't seek assistince from other factions" that legit only applies to CRIMS because cops can call every single Faction they got to help in a fight. thats just so unfair, if ur department dont got the numbers to push a lab or fight crims dont take the fight why call 5 factions to come and help, so now we got what used to be a 5v10 against cop turning into a 5v40 : ) Wasn't it the point to make it fair for both sides why no1 talking about this ? why is it they can call for x ammount of factions to help them in a fight just because they are all "legals" and us crims can't? like applie a rule that applies for both sides not just crims XD

The only department PD/SD should be allowed to call for help is PD/SD...I dont think DOC/GOV should help out with anything other than doing their job that they are made for. running a prison and protecting GOV...When would you see a prison leave the inmates to go help the local police irl? 

I dont mind making the regulations for calling for backup strickter. For example if you want to raid a lab, and you know its 10-12 inside, and there is only 7-8 SD or PD online, I dont mind that we have to wait for more people in that faction to come online before they call eachother for help. That way they can plan something else insted, spread out and try to pull over someone when leaveing or something...But I do think its realistic when there is bigger shootouts, that both departments call for help. It happens irl too, and gangs is not ment to be able to "win a fight" agains LEO's. Win the fight, be smart and use the 5 sec u got for killing the 3 first cops to escape yes, to kill the whole Police or Sherrif's department? no. 

[moment]

I'm gonna be honest, I don't know why everyone is saying nerf the MK2 weapons etc.

The only 2 weapons that shouldn't be introduced in the server and they are not a rifle fyi, it's an LMG is the combat MG and MK2 variant, It's way too overpowered. When MK2s first got introduced, like AKMK2, Carbine MK2 they are completely fine and balanced.

Edited June 6, 2025 by moment

[Tachi]

29 minutes ago, Lincoln Derose said:

Just want some clarification on this.... is this not the same?

I own a 175 AP; here is what it looks like while on. here is a POV from a cop, https://imgur.com/a/eTColBm
Maybe I'm dumb but this is the same.... I'm just not sure why we are still denying that cops have 175 AP. 

The UI is heavily misleading and we acknolwedged this in the first place as a faction(s) when we asked during the clothing update what the values are.

I've tested it myself. For example when you eat/drink a food item from the point of value 0, the food bar will disappear, but you're still not full until you eat/drink the item to the point it disappears from your inventory and the UI will tell you that "you are now full" at the top and keeps filling even though the UI disappeared - so what I'm esentially saying is, is that when you see the bar full, its not actually full because it still has a bit to go to max that you cannot see. This is also the same for the breathing UI when you're underwater but it goes the opposite way, instead of filling it decreases. That's why deciding whether you're about to die when you're swimming underwater is such a gamble because it is not presented to you accurately.

If you were to take the OLD UI that had the bar from GTA:O it would look like it is supposed to.

The UI via the inventory is just incorrect or weirdly displayed. I'd agree with you it looks like a 175 if you were to work it out by adding 50 each time, but it's not. I also had this problem when the clothing update came and it had to be clarified when we asked, and we (Alex & I) did, several times.

The armor value isn't dependent on the UI, it's attached to the armor through coding by devs to the clothing item. There is no armor value in the server for 175 AP that is obtainable through IC means as far as we all know. What you have in that screenshot is actually 150 AP, as that is the same armor I equip, and have been told since the launch of the clothing update which removed 200 AP from LEO. LEO's asked for a -50 to the 200 AP value, not -25.

[Osborn]

1 hour ago, Lincoln Derose said:

Just want some clarification on this.... is this not the same?

I own a 175 AP; here is what it looks like while on. here is a POV from a cop, https://imgur.com/a/eTColBm
Maybe I'm dumb but this is the same.... I'm just not sure why we are still denying that cops have 175 AP. 

We keep telling you repeatedly that cops do not have over 150 AP. I do not understand why it is so hard to comprehend what staff members are saying. Here is the actual script value from a fresh SED & SWAT uniform. Let me know if you want us to livestream it being put on, we can probably organize that. 

Congrats btw, you have more AP than cops! 

[SquirtleSquad]

56 minutes ago, Harveyyy said:

Nah, the story changed from "They do not have 175, 200, 500, 5000000 AP available." to "Last time I'm going to say this. PD/SD does not have 200AP."

They don't. Story never changed, statement was the same whole way through. Next time quote me. Thanks! That photo wasn't 175+ AP. 

[alexalex303]

The experienced criminals in this thread still banging the same drum have:

-higher AP values (175, and 200 AP) which simply are not available for law enforcement

-meta HSW vehicles that ensure they are never caught Niobe, Hakuchou Drag (https://streamable.com/xj5k9e)

-abuse weed to regen full health bar in ~20 seconds which is not available to law enforcement

-MG MK IIs readily available in unlimited numbers for weeks

If you told a crim from 2019 that all of this would be true they'd tell you that you're crazy, and now we're asking for the helicopter to be removed. Honestly, I think people forgot where we came from as a server, and keep pushing to see how silly it can get.

Edited June 6, 2025 by alexalex303

[MrSilky]

2 hours ago, Lincoln Derose said:

Just want some clarification on this.... is this not the same?

I own a 175 AP; here is what it looks like while on. here is a POV from a cop, https://imgur.com/a/eTColBm
Maybe I'm dumb but this is the same.... I'm just not sure why we are still denying that cops have 175 AP. 

Cops do not have 175 AP. 

Since this bullshit is constantly repeated, here is the evidence. GOV faction armour is scriptly capped to the clothing model - it is not the same as spawnable armour that can have a value from 1-1000.

Watch the video in 0.25 if you wanna get a good look. You will see the ONLY vest that breaches 150, is the bomb suit, that it not allowed for general use, and would be pretty obvious to see it being misused too.

Move on from this false narrative and substantiate real issues for development to improve the experience of everyone.

 

[CharlesXiao]

I think most people are confused actually. 

1 hour ago, Osborn said:

In both these screenshots they both have 150 ap. But I'm sure if you were to bring up their UI at the bottom left it would show they are wearing a "175ap". The UI seems to be bugged? I've confirmed this with a few members of PD. I think most of people's understanding of what the APs number value is would come from looking at the UI itself. 

Like this clip: https://streamable.com/si7li9

Now I used to think swat, detectives etc always went out with 200/175ap. But speaking again with multiple LEO members, some being staff its clear that those armor values were once in the locker but removed due to them being OP. Hopefully this can clear up some of the confusion of LEO's having 175/200 ap which just seems to not be true. 

(PS: I'm a crim main, never touched LEO and probably never will. I am not biased on this suggestion : D"

Edited June 6, 2025 by CharlesXiao

[Jaxxon]

2 hours ago, Jellay said:

I've taken my time to talk to multiple members of the community of both sides. Both sides are willing to change, yet feel that the other needs to change first. 

I agree with everything you're saying, and I agree that there's faults at both sides, majorly so.

The one thing I'd like to point out is that the change 100% needs to come from the LEO factions first and here is why:
- They interact with the entire server on a day to day basis, especially crims, whereas which crim factions interact with LEOs can vary vastly from day to day (or hour to hour)
- LEOs don't have anything to lose. If LEOs were to "lay down" so to speak tomorrow they would take a lot more losses in the beginning but they wont lose any of their time or effort because they haven't invested hours grinding for their gear thay will disappear if they lose the interaction. However if crims were to "lay down" they would lose hours upon hours of work with the hopes that LEOs follow their lead. In LEOs case they could just turn the aggression back on if this experiment doesn't work.

All this is to say that the problem lies on both sides, but the only way to see meanigful change, in my opinion, is if LEOs take the first step. YEs you might have to deal with toxic crims for a few weeks or months, but at least you wont lose hours of work.

And if you announce this change then you will quickly see which crims are here for the W and which are here to RP, as those who actually want to create a nice interaction, will attempt to do so. I hope.

[Hubie]

54 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

meta HSW vehicles that ensure they are never caught Niobe, Hakuchou Drag (https://streamable.com/xj5k9e)

The Hakuchou Drag that costs $7,000,000 in game? Even without the HSW the drag is still the best bike and is very easy to lose police. Speaking of the Niobe, that would be $250 irl money. If you ask me, this seems pretty fair.... you buy a 7 million vehicle; it should go 240. You spend 250 dollars irl, the vehicle should be very good. PD unpark million-dollar(s) helicopters all the time but there's nothing wrong with that right? PD crash their car? Oh, I'll go spawn a new one, no problem! I run out of gas in my helicopter? Oh, I'll just go despawn and spawn a new one! 

[Osborn]

11 minutes ago, CharlesXiao said:

I think most people are confused actually. 

In both these screenshots they both have 150 ap. But I'm sure if you were to bring up their UI at the bottom left it would show they are wearing a "175ap". The UI seems to be bugged? I've confirmed this with a few members of PD. I think most of people's understanding of what the APs number value is would come from looking at the UI itself. 

Like this clip: https://streamable.com/si7li9

Now I used to think swat, detectives etc always went out with 200/175ap. But speaking again with multiple LEO members, some being staff its clear that those armor values were once in the locker but removed due to them being OP. Hopefully this can clear up some of the confusion of LEO's having 175/200 ap which just seems to not be true. 

(PS: I'm a crim main, never touched LEO and probably never will. I am not biased on this suggestion : D"

Yes, the UI does not reflect the actual value; it has been inaccurate for quite some time. However, we've repeatedly stated the armor value used by the cops' SWAT teams, yet the issue persists and is made out as if we're denying factuality. 

PD/SD did have 200 AP before the clothes update, but it was on an armor model that was rarely used because it was too large, did not attach to the uniform, and floated over the body. Detectives did not have access to this.

[alexalex303]

7 minutes ago, Lincoln Derose said:

The Hakuchou Drag that costs $7,000,000 in game? Even without the HSW the drag is still the best bike and is very easy to lose police. Speaking of the Niobe, that would be $250 irl money. If you ask me, this seems pretty fair.... you buy a 7 million vehicle; it should go 240. You spend 250 dollars irl, the vehicle should be very good. PD unpark million-dollar(s) helicopters all the time but there's nothing wrong with that right? PD crash their car? Oh, I'll go spawn a new one, no problem! I run out of gas in my helicopter? Oh, I'll just go despawn and spawn a new one! 

you think there's nothing wrong with spending money to get an IC advantage? would you feel the same way if cops that owned Niobes used them to chase you with them? they spent $250 too!

[Hubie]

51 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

you think there's nothing wrong with spending money to get an IC advantage? would you feel the same way if cops that owned Niobes used them to chase you with them? they spent $250 too!

I've actually been chased by @Spizor, and he was driving a niobe. Same thing with Diamond VIP. You pay money monthly, and you are given advantages.

[Demonmit1]

4 hours ago, PrexDal said:

Make it NRP for crims to snitch on "heavies" which truly is just a loophole for the rule that's already in place.

Yous be shocked what an active scouter can do to prevent a lab being watched. Your be shocked what basic information security within your own gang could do to majorly hinder investigations. (Coming from someone who was high command of shadows, we actually took it seriously) Turn your phones off. Break your phones and Don't have one. Don't recruit random people and give them all your information up front. Gangs recruit people who are KNOWN for regularly jumping from gang to gang, have no loyalty, and then wonder why people snitch for personal benefit. All these gangs recruit people just to have numbers for fights so they can win PVP but investigations take advantage of that sloppy low quality way most gangs handle recruitment. Maybe don't runaround in the open with heavies? Keep them in a glovebox, trunk, bag till you actively need them. Be more sneaky. Control your idiot friends who run around in the wide open with heavies for shits and giggles, cause there the ones fucking you over. Probably the ones who are CIs too. It's like they do it on purpose...

 

On the note of calling in DOC to help push a lab. I can't recall a single time I've seen DOC or GSB called in to push a gang in lab. I've been in 6 months and I'd say that's never happened. GSB / DOC get called when OTF or others like LSK used to shoot over a traffic stop and then run to colorful parking and shoot at all the cops, when cops leave the area they'd push out and hunt cops all over the city till they get pushed back into colorful parking and keep shooting again. That's when DOC/GSB gets called for help

Edited June 6, 2025 by Demonmit1

[CharlesXiao]

1 hour ago, alexalex303 said:

you think there's nothing wrong with spending money to get an IC advantage? would you feel the same way if cops that owned Niobes used them to chase you with them? they spent $250 too!

wouldn’t this boil down to your factions internal policy’s? Years ago yall were able to pull out drags, personal cars etc…. What policy changed to where yall can’t do that anymore?

Edited June 6, 2025 by CharlesXiao

[Marksy]

Cops max AP is 150, crims max AP (on regular imports is 100) there was a special import of 150 for certain crims too, end of discussion, adios, goodbye, ciao. 

[Clank]

5 hours ago, CharlesXiao said:

wouldn’t this boil down to your factions internal policy’s? Years ago yall were able to pull out drags, personal cars etc…. What policy changed to where yall can’t do that anymore?

i mean shiiit i can but then people will complain that im using the car i paid for to catch them so

(and yes people HAVE complained about being chased in the same car they evade in)

Edited June 7, 2025 by Clank

[DaddyShrood]

10 hours ago, Jaxxon said:

The one thing I'd like to point out is that the change 100% needs to come from the LEO factions first 

Sorrywhatpardon? 

The entire nature of LEO is reactionary. The main reason we're at the point we're at now is because of how a certain few people choose to react the moment they see a flashing light behind them. It is ultimately a 2 way street, however to say that LEOs should just put their guns down and become target practice, in the hope that everyone else gets bored and does the same is wishful thinking at best.

We need to reflect on the mentality that some people are expressing and look at that before we start throwing fingers around at everyone else.