Make things "bearable" or less "unbearable" for the mortal crims

[Quietthecutie]

16 minutes ago, RPatt98 said:

the goal of any RP server is realism. Disregard the realism aspect, it still creates a power imbalance.

There is a vein of truth to what youre trying to say. Its Admirable. but at the end of the day this is a videogame. therefore videogame balance superceedes realism by requirement. no one is disregarding realism, and the ruleset always tries to be as close to realistic as possible. but this is not always possible because again, videogame logic, videogame controls, videogame mechanics.

[Kaidenp10277]

Wanted to add onto this because this thread covers a lot of stuff that I have been debating making a post about. 

The main reason I think it’s bad RP for cops to have heavy weapons and a “full throttle” playstyle is because criminals have a much harder time reaching that point. As a criminal, we have to build connections just to order guns, which takes time, and then we need to pay for the guns, armor, cars, tickets, etc. Making a million dollars for a sports car is much easier said than done, especially depending on your connections. Simply being seen with heavy weapons and armor as a criminal is enough to get chased by either other criminals or the police. If the cops get hold of a heavy weapon, it could also lead to a raid on their home, which makes stockpiling weapons risky.

I do agree that heavy weapons probably shouldn’t be stored in glove compartments of bikes, and body armor should take at least 3 seconds to equip. However, cops spawn in with body armor and guns, so even if I’m shooting an AK at a cop, they already have a gun, car, and body armor given to them for free to defend themselves, which levels the playing field to some extent.

I literally saw a cop with an MK2 LMG the other day, casually out and about, along with two other cops, one with an MK2 pump and the other with a full-auto SMG. For me and the other two criminals to replicate this gear would easily cost over 100k—just the MK2 LMG costs around 50k without tax. One of the cops even went out of his way to scold my buddy for trying to fight him while he had an MK2 LMG, basically implying that we shouldn’t even try to win a fight against them.

Let’s keep it real: the average criminal has a .5; not everyone has unlimited access to heavies and body armor. Even if they did, they’re probably still going to jail if they end up shooting out with the police.

Let’s not forget the fines and jail time for getting arrested with these items.

I’m also the kind of person who can laugh with a cop after getting arrested, so yes, I openly want to win these situations, but I’m completely content with losing them. However, it becomes impossible to even fight a cop with a .5 when they have heavy weapons and body armor, unless they miss every shot, as someone already pointed out.

Often, when I’ve seen police die, they almost always DM you afterward—even if it’s not a save POV, it’s often just them complaining. On top of this, I regularly see cops trying to report players for the slightest rule bends or misconceptions, which I think is petty. This isn’t me attacking cops as players, it’s just me pointing out the obvious power struggle and the biases that come with it. Studies show that putting people in power can lead to corruption. At the end of the day, low-ranking cops should only have pistols, higher-ranking officers should be able to keep shotguns in trunks, and the highest-ranking officers should have access to rifles for special occasions. These items should be easily released with permission from high command, but I don’t see a reason why they need to be on patrol.

With all that being said, I’m completely fine with there being limitations on criminals too. As I mentioned, I think it should take a few seconds to apply body armor, and heavies certainly shouldn’t be storable in bike glove compartments. I would even go further and say that some of these top-tier “fighting gangs” should have talks from the top down about how these situations are getting out of hand. If members don’t respect this motion, the PD should begin investigations into house raids, etc., for those organizations. There are legal ways to combat this. I’m not asking for a one-way street, but I am asking for a realistic chance. As of right now, the only way I can “beat” the cops is by singling one officer out with a group or simply running from them on my BF.

I also want to point out that these cops literally get to spawn everything they use and will get their hourly salary regardless of their performance in the field. On top of this, they also have control commands to call for backup. So yes, from an IC perspective, they should do everything in their power to win, but from an OOC perspective, there should be some limitation on this.

I’m fine with fast cars and even the use of heavies, but it just needs to be RP-justified. Can we also mention that we, as criminals, can’t loot these officers? If the PD wants to deploy high-powered firearms, we should at least be able to loot them. To my knowledge, the 6-hour respawn time on police equipment was implemented to stop officers from selling spike strips to pawn shops? Correct me if I’m wrong, and if I am, I apologize for spreading misinformation. If that’s the case, I find it a bit ridiculous. I would assume a police officer is the highest level of RP for a regular person to achieve, so they should certainly be held to a higher standard when it comes to rule breaks and issues like that.

This isn’t meant to bash cops, and I do appreciate the good RP some cops provide (not just accurate, but actually enjoyable RP). However, in my month and a half back on this server, I’ve yet to see a cop be held accountable for breaking rules. I’ve been lied to, in and out of character. I’ve seen a clip where one of my gang members was harassed in PMs just for killing a cop (without being asked to save POV). I’ve witnessed a cop avoid fear RP, but the situation was voided with no punishment. I’ve also certainly watched many cops meta-game, even though they would deny it. I’m not asking for cops to be banned, but I just want a fair playing field for everyone. It’s frustrating when I witness cops simply trying to win. There’s much more to being a police officer than making arrests; they are public servants.

This may be an ignorant comment, as I don’t have a police character, but I genuinely believe many cops don’t want to handle basic RP, such as getting a car from impound, listening to a general report of crime, or retrieving items from evidence. This should be completely unacceptable. Police officers are public servants, yet it feels like they’re paid mercenaries. There are many good cops, and this isn’t meant to target them, but I truly believe there are cops with this mentality. I would love to see an effort to improve RP when cops aren’t in pursuit of a crime. I’ve been ignored countless times by cops, and I think that’s just awful RP on their part. That said, I’m still fine with going after criminals for the same reason.

There are so many “clappers” who have zero character storylines and only rob and shoot. This should be heavily frowned upon. I see the same names being reported over and over for little exploits, power games, and the like. For first-time offenders, sure, give them the benefit of the doubt if they can provide a legit reason and good POV. However, if a known “clapper” who only cares about PvP is caught doing something sketchy, they should be held accountable. I’m convinced that some people literally won’t allow themselves to be robbed or fed. They’ll break any rule possible to get their gun in hand, roll, jump, dodge bullets, and spray you down. These people are just as big of an issue as power-hungry cops, and I’d love to see an initiative to make the experience better for real players who want to experience more than just shootouts.

I don’t know about you, but I’d say gunfighting is probably the worst part about GTA. This game has so much more to offer. Guns absolutely make it more fun, but at a certain point, it’s just not fun anymore.

[Demonmit1]

2 hours ago, Kaidenp10277 said:

I literally saw a cop with an MK2 LMG the other day, casually out and about, along with two other cops, one with an MK2 pump and the other with a full-auto SMG. One of the cops even went out of his way to scold my buddy for trying to fight him while he had an MK2 LMG, basically implying that we shouldn’t even try to win a fight against them.

I was there during this situation. This was an active armed robbery. There was 5 law enforcement outside, and your friend was the only one with a gun, a .50. The odds were so not in his favor, that it makes sense to question the thought process for him to open fire.
Why did they have heavies? SED, the special enforcement detail, is basically Sheriffs version of SWAT. im not in SED, so someone can correct me if im wrong, but SED have a protocol called active deployment, where due to high levels of threat from organized crime, They can actively patrol with heavier weapons, like the LMG. 
You ended up unlucky, as during their active patrol, they stumbled on y'all robbing the store. you weren't the gang they were actively deployed for. Its honestly pretty rare for us to catch people in the act of robbing a store without the alarm going off first.

 

2 hours ago, Kaidenp10277 said:

Often, when I’ve seen police die, they almost always DM you afterward—even if it’s not a save POV, it’s often just them complaining.

please, genuinely report this, save proof every time. people who do this should be removed from their factions. 

 

2 hours ago, Kaidenp10277 said:

low-ranking cops should only have pistols, higher-ranking officers should be able to keep shotguns in trunks, and the highest-ranking officers should have access to rifles for special occasions. These items should be easily released with permission from high command, but I don’t see a reason why they need to be on patrol.

trainees take a month to get trained, and during that process, only have access to pistols.
Shotguns become available as standard issue for general patrol officers after they successfully pass their training, and is their primary "heavy" firearm they have access to for months.

POIII / DSIII is where there's a split between LSPD and LSSD. Again, i might be wrong on this, so someone correct me if im wrong, POIII's which takes about 3-5 months, active participation in training new members, and active participation in the faction, can apply to get access to the carbine rifle. LSSD doesn't have automatic rifles available for standard units till you're a supervisor past your supervisor training. Master Deputies, the highest non supervisor rank, get access to a SMG.

Members can apply for SWAT / SED once they're POIII / DSIII, in which they get access to more specialized weapons after a bunch of RP training. but the number of people in SWAT / SED are limited. 
 

2 hours ago, Kaidenp10277 said:

we should at least be able to loot them.

this is actively in the works by server devs. They have said they want law enforcement to be lootable for their weapons.

 

2 hours ago, Kaidenp10277 said:

the 6-hour respawn time on police equipment was implemented to stop officers from selling spike strips to pawn shops? Correct me if I’m wrong, and if I am, I apologize for spreading misinformation. If that’s the case, I find it a bit ridiculous. I would assume a police officer is the highest level of RP for a regular person to achieve

the 6 hour thing applies to law enforcement weapons as well. I'm assuming this is planned to go along with cops being lootable, but preventing players from stockpiling looted weapons, as they now despawn after 6 hours.

Regarding the player that was in LSSD that was spawning items for profit, the player was a trainee that never completed their first training, was spawning mass amounts of lockpicks, and giving them to his OOC friends that were a gang to sell at the pawnshop, he had another character in the gang, and they used that to have money on their crims. all of them were banned.

[Quietthecutie]

7 hours ago, Kaidenp10277 said:

I do agree that heavy weapons probably shouldn’t be stored in glove compartments of bikes, and body armor should take at least 3 seconds to equip. However, cops spawn in with body armor and guns, so even if I’m shooting an AK at a cop, they already have a gun, car, and body armor given to them for free to defend themselves, which levels the playing field to some extent.

This argument doesn't make any sense. you're talking about deliberately unbalancing a mechanic due to monetary risk. There is no levelling of the playing field here. merely a begrudging acceptance that yes, it is bullshit that you can keep AKs and AP in gloveboxes and then a wild jump to its okay cus cops get guns for free.

8 hours ago, Kaidenp10277 said:

Studies show that putting people in power can lead to corruption.

lol. Not even getting into this sizzling hot take.

8 hours ago, Kaidenp10277 said:

At the end of the day, low-ranking cops should only have pistols, higher-ranking officers should be able to keep shotguns in trunks, and the highest-ranking officers should have access to rifles for special occasions. These items should be easily released with permission from high command, but I don’t see a reason why they need to be on patrol.

Because of reasons already given above. but the short version is because crims can also whip out heavies super quick, can instantly get it cracking or run us from a normal pursuit into an ambush vs multiple people set up with armour and heavies. and telling which ones will and which ones wont is almost impossible and we don't have time for a city hall debate over radio each time.

Ultimately LEOs are reactionary factions. Their behaviour and policies are dictated by their working environment. and in this working environment what you're asking for wouldn't work UNLESS crims are also happy to make concessions themselves that can make the changes workable. such as about what can be put in a glovebox.

[Quietthecutie]

8 hours ago, Kaidenp10277 said:

I just want a fair playing field for everyone.

Its a deliberately unfair playing field by design. to discourage gangs from taking fights vs LEOs. a crims first thought when seeing cops pull up should always be "oh shit, run!" not "oh goody! a fair fight!"

[addybeta]

On 3/29/2025 at 4:13 PM, Harveyyy said:

 

As for the Jugular, it used to be a supervisor-only vehicle, but now any certified PO3 can use it. Do you know how many PO3s there are? A lot. So now, at almost any given time, PD has access to the best weaponry and vehicles, making things even more one-sided, because the 15 cruisers and the shinobis and the heli isn't enough apparently.

Do you know how many PO3s have passed the high-speed test? 

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Regarding the heavy weapons, there are IC ways of reporting people with heavies on their backs. I try to do my best of telling people not to patrol with it on their backs if not needed.

[Jordan]

26 minutes ago, Bala said:

just put the fries in the bag bro

Lets keep the discussion on track please, comments like this are not necessary and do not add to the discussion.

[Eliza]

I’ll say this once and once only, if we can’t be civil and act like adults, this thread will be locked.

[Kaidenp10277]

I'm gonna start this by saying keep in mind this is a discussion not an argument! I am here to express my opinion so please take this with a grain of salt and do not take everything so literally. 

On 3/31/2025 at 11:47 PM, Quietthecutie said:

This argument doesn't make any sense. you're talking about deliberately unbalancing a mechanic due to monetary risk. There is no levelling of the playing field here. merely a begrudging acceptance that yes, it is bullshit that you can keep AKs and AP in gloveboxes and then a wild jump to its okay cus cops get guns for free.

lol. Not even getting into this sizzling hot take.

Because of reasons already given above. but the short version is because crims can also whip out heavies super quick, can instantly get it cracking or run us from a normal pursuit into an ambush vs multiple people set up with armour and heavies. and telling which ones will and which ones wont is almost impossible and we don't have time for a city hall debate over radio each time.

Ultimately LEOs are reactionary factions. Their behaviour and policies are dictated by their working environment. and in this working environment what you're asking for wouldn't work UNLESS crims are also happy to make concessions themselves that can make the changes workable. such as about what can be put in a glovebox.

I would not consider reworking a mechanic that makes zero sense to be blatantly unbalancing. It’s simply something that shouldn’t exist. Also I didn’t mean to imply that this is ok because cops get gear for free however, if you think about it on a base level a crim putting on armor and a heavy from his glove box only puts him in the exact same gear as the cop they are fighting anyways… if the cop dies he respawns if the crim dies he probably has 2 hours in jail atleast and a fine to pay the crim also doesn’t have a panic button he actually has to alert his gang over radio.

 

Also Have you ever heard of the Stanford prison experiment?? genuine question....

 

I understand that it is a reactionary faction and that is why I am pushing to nerf both sides of this war to bring it back down to earth. As I stated not every crim is rolling with an Ak and ap armor 24/7 sure it’s hard to tell who is and is not but that’s part of being a cop irl and in game. I quite literally said 40 times that I want that mechanic fixed (heavies in glove box) so we can actually have an enjoyable environment. Things are the way they are because people are playing within the rules perimeters and general limitations of the server and that's why things need to be adjusted Nothing changes if nothing changes.

Having trouble using the quote feature so just doing my best here but this remaining portion of the response is for @Demonmit1

 

 

Regardless of how the structure is the issue is how it plays out on the server. The reality of it is that most cops are rolling around with heavy’s at all times. 

 

The looting and 6 hour thing may be the way it is for a reason but as a crim it just doesn’t make sense to me. If people are Goring cops for these guns over and over then that should be reportable as NRP it would also just be another reason for cops to not constantly be rolling with heavies 

 

There was 3 officers and I most certainly agree with you that it was not a smart idea to shoot but your officer literally sat there trying to big dick him again implying that he shouldn’t have been allowed to try. As if he isn’t an armed criminal that lives a life of crime. I think FRP gets a little unrealistic when cops are trying to arrest crims there are millions of criminals that will die to not go to prison it happens every day.  As I’m sure you can recall none of us were hostile at all during that interaction I think we all actually had a good laugh about it. To my point I am not here to attack cops as players I just want a restructure that makes this more realistic which will likely balance the server out quite a bit. Im not mad about that situation I just used it as an example because it was an extreme example of cops rolling around on patrol heavily armed. 

 

Also this is once again an issue where I’m not trying to say that swat shouldn’t be a thing I’m just simply saying that there shouldn’t be someone casually patrolling with a LMG that should be something taken out specifically for escalated situations only and returned once that situations are handled.  

Sorry if you do not agree but this is my opinion. (also sorry for my grammar most of this was typed on my phone at work. )

 

 

 

[Quietthecutie]

19 hours ago, Kaidenp10277 said:

Also Have you ever heard of the Stanford prison experiment?? genuine question....

I dont wanna get into a "havent you heard of...." debate. if you have a point to make, just make it. you dont have to get all well actually about it 

Edited April 3, 2025 by Quietthecutie

[Quietthecutie]

21 hours ago, Kaidenp10277 said:

Also this is once again an issue where I’m not trying to say that swat shouldn’t be a thing I’m just simply saying that there shouldn’t be someone casually patrolling with a LMG that should be something taken out specifically for escalated situations only and returned once that situations are handled.

Once again, this is regulation by the environment we find ourselves in. where not every crim, but any crim, can whip out a LMG of their own. instantly.

And to be fair, from an SD side. only high ranking members of SED can pull LMGs and only when specific parameters are met, such as heavy shots fired, raid etc.

Its not like we let anyone who passes out of basic just go haywire with automatic weapons, check that impression at the door if you think its true. You have to have been in SD for a long time, in the right department, and shown significant responsibility not only as an LEO but also as a member of the community to get that pass.

I think a lot of players who do not have an LEO char get a skewed view of how heavy weapons are used in LEO departments. contrary to popular belief, getting even just standard SMG certification is a longwinded task requiring months of dedication, paperwork, demonstrable roleplay ability etc. once more with feeling, we don't just hand that out. 

 

Edited April 3, 2025 by Quietthecutie

[Demonmit1]

2 hours ago, Quietthecutie said:

once more with feeling, we don't just hand that out. 

jut to add some perspective. i have over 850 hours logged in on my SD character. I still can only use just a shotgun and pistol. The only "fancy" car i can use is the D10, and its pretty rare to pull out, and its highly limited on how useful it is, and its only available with supervisor permission, typically when we're chasing other vehicles that can easily do 240, like Niobe's, GTO's, and Drags, which all out perform it by a wide margin.

 

Edited April 3, 2025 by Demonmit1

[Kaidenp10277]

3 hours ago, Quietthecutie said:

Once again, this is regulation by the environment we find ourselves in. where not every crim, but any crim, can whip out a LMG of their own. instantly.

And to be fair, from an SD side. only high ranking members of SED can pull LMGs and only when specific parameters are met, such as heavy shots fired, raid etc.

Its not like we let anyone who passes out of basic just go haywire with automatic weapons, check that impression at the door if you think its true. You have to have been in SD for a long time, in the right department, and shown significant responsibility not only as an LEO but also as a member of the community to get that pass.

I think a lot of players who do not have an LEO char get a skewed view of how heavy weapons are used in LEO departments. contrary to popular belief, getting even just standard SMG certification is a longwinded task requiring months of dedication, paperwork, demonstrable roleplay ability etc. once more with feeling, we don't just hand that out. 

 

This will be my last time replying to you because you clearly are not here to discuss. It seems like you are just looking to cherry pick statements and uphold your personal opinion as fact. 

 

In terms of the corruption statement, I brought something up, you shewed it, I mentioned a well known study directly relating to the statement, now you are claiming I am “well actually”ing make that make sense. Looking at the statements you keep replying to posts with I would actually say you are the “haven’t you heard of” or “well actually” person in this back and fourth. 

 

In terms of the ranking and structure of the SD and LSPD I have already said this but will restate it. I do not care what the exact perimeters or structure is the simple fact is that nearly every cop has a heavy on them at all times in the city. It does not matter why or what is causing this I am stating my opinion that this simple fact is ruining the experience in the city for me and like minded criminals. I have mentioned my willingness to compromise on this and nerf both sides of the fence to create a more enjoyable environment. I believe PD should have access to everything it does have, at no point have I tried to say they shouldn't. I would just like to see limitations and better RP surrounding things like heavy weapons.

[DaddyShrood]

On 4/3/2025 at 8:19 PM, Kaidenp10277 said:

In terms of the ranking and structure of the SD and LSPD I have already said this but will restate it. I do not care what the exact perimeters or structure is the simple fact is that nearly every cop has a heavy on them at all times in the city. It does not matter why or what is causing this I am stating my opinion that this simple fact is ruining the experience in the city for me and like minded criminals.

Do you not think that cops have these heavies BECAUSE of the actions of crims? I'm a member of DOC and have been on and off for well over 2.5 years. Our IC policies are reactionary, if no one attacks us then levels of heavies deployed massively decreases, officers are more likely to spend time with inmates etc. The same is generally true for PD/SD too. LEOs are reactionary by nature, purely by virtue of their role. You might not care for the reasons why, but unfortunately things happen for a reason, not because the magic genie said so.

 

Maybe if crims stopped shooting cops based on them being pulled over for a 2nd degree speeding citation, then the amount of heavies being deployed by LEOs would massively reduce.

[OBESE]

Seems like this whole discussion has turned towards the issue with weapons carried by the PD, so I will add something different that I find to be a bad RP and breaks the immersion of the RP, therefore possibly ruining the RP experience.

Police de-spawning and spawning in cars during chase at the station. It literally looks like a F1 pitstop and does imo promotes bad RP. While I know this is not a world replica, but still, in RL yes you would be issued a new car if your is in a shop, but there would be piles of paperwork and it would not happen in 5seconds.

Here's a clip of what I mean (Seen this a lot, standard practice I feel): https://streamable.com/yqcnzv
If you're car is wrecked, own up to your driving skills and eject yourself from the chase. Crims only have one chance with a vehicle. No magic de-spawn and spawn new one.

Here I will talk about the general OP and what I see and have experienced. Also would like to put down a disclaimer that everything I have written is generalised opinion about the faction as a whole, due to the experiences between me and the police faction representatives, aka other police officers.

I as a player have majority of the time spent being so called criminal, but I am one of those criminals that want to be discreet, does not want to do nothing with any law enforcement, would it be PD or SD. On some level I would say that the reason behind that is being genuine to how a crim should think and act, like someone said - when the police comes you should think "Fuck, police, run!" not "Fuck yeh, shootout!"

But other side of why I don't want to do nothing with the RP related to Police is because of the guaranteed outcome of the situation. Like Bala said, we all want to win, but what I wont agree with him is that we always must win. Wanting to win and and having to win, are two different things. Anyone who can enjoy a good RP, will tell you that they will take an L if the RP was good. That is what the OP is saying - we want to have fun. Having fun through either winning or at least having a great RP if loosing.

With the mindset that I play my criminal characters, I can tell you, I've been to prison handful of times throughout years, but at least 80% of RP situations with police has left a bad taste in my mouth and a strong confirmation why I do not want to RP with Law enforcement. 

For example when a traffic stop is made, when any sort of arrest is done based on the law that we have on the server, you as a crim has no way to fight it on the spot (Not going to talk about court cases that takes 6months to have them), because often the law will state one side, but there is no law that actually gives you, as an individual, any rights, especially when you hear phrases from the arresting officers "It's confidential" or "We don't have to show you nothing". Once the officer has told you what they want you to do, that's it. You're cooked, because if you don't do it straight up and want to ask for something like a "Supervisor" or hear what is the "Probably cause" of the certain request, there is no patience with that and all you going to get is another charge of resisting the police officer.

While I agree that the increase of police weaponry used on patrol is directly connected to the increase of weaponry of criminals, at the same time I do not believe that police officer can treat every situation the same. When I haven't had any criminal violation for months and I get pulled for speeding and the officer already puts the car in the position for a chase and a backup comes, just in case, that just shows me that they automatically will assume that there is a high chance of me running due to their experience of people running, but that is not what police officer should do. Police officer is there to prevent crime and enforce the law, not assume of someone's actions. 

IC professionalism is another issue I see from police officers. The times I've seen police being more annoying and rude than some of the gangs who have better class, is crazy. That of course is IC issue and as people say that there are IC means to tackle that, I don't see the IC means to be effective, just a waste of my time and it's easier to let it slide and move on, than trying to get a IA report accepted.

Same as I look on other factions - if you cannot provide me vibes and good roleplay, I have 0 interest to RP with you and PD is definitely one of them factions.

[Martin James]

I’ve personally played both sides of the coin and can honestly say that 95% of SD/PD will play fair and often give the benefit of the doubt, or have RP in the forefront of everything they do.

That being said, I was absolutely gob smacked by a select few individuals and their clear play to win mentality. For example, their was a hostage situation at a bank, and I was looking forward to the eventual chase (as was most, I can only assume) Before this could happen, someone in charge decided to just shoot the lock off the door and barge into the bank, instantly ending the RP situation and putting things to an end.
 

In other situations, where one individual being chased by about 10 units exited their vehicle with a .50 in hand - some units dismounted with carbines, shotguns and other heavy weapons - again, not even a snowballs chance in hell of any other outcome. 
 

What’s very unfortunate is the actions of a few select individuals within these factions tarnish the reputation of many.

So what’s the answer?!

In short, fuck knows man!

We've been debating this back and forth for what? 4 years?! I guess the only solution is to bring the injustice to the forums? Perhaps somewhere different than the regular player reports we have, for an unbiased opinion with actual OOC justice served if found guilty. I do feel some report you see of issues like these are slightly biased in my humble opinion, so would need to be a jury that is 100% unbiased.

 

 

[Harveyyy]

2 hours ago, Martin James said:

What’s very unfortunate is the actions of a few select individuals within these factions tarnish the reputation of many.

Exactly. It’s always the same individuals giving their faction a bad name, and more often than not, they’re present on nearly every scene.

2 hours ago, Martin James said:

We've been debating this back and forth for what? 4 years?! I guess the only solution is to bring the injustice to the forums? Perhaps somewhere different than the regular player reports we have, for an unbiased opinion with actual OOC justice served if found guilty. I do feel some report you see of issues like these are slightly biased in my humble opinion, so would need to be a jury that is 100% unbiased.

We’ve been debating this for four years. While some changes have been made, they’ve only brought new issues to light. The standard response from senior staff is to contact faction leadership if you want to submit a complaint. The problem with that is the responses are often biased. Faction leaders are human, and their judgment can be influenced, especially by an officer’s rank or any OOC friendships.

An unbiased third party? Sure! Feel free to reach out to LFM if you want to file a complaint. I did, exactly seven times, in fact, and only received a response twice. Back in 2023, I even compiled a document after gathering complaints from crims and sent it to LFM, but I was completely ignored.

It’s been four years, and no meaningful changes have been made. If there were ever genuine intentions to improve things, we would’ve seen progress by now.

Why do you think people complain about this here on the forums? Because "the official channels" are useless. I'm sorry to whoever may get offended but this is the harsh truth. To me, saying "Reach out to this person or that faction" is just a typical final response to close a thread. 

[Quietthecutie]

What i will say is that if 95% of LEOs are fine and play it straight. thats 1 in 20 bad eggs. that is not a bad metric all things considered and a testament to command. 

[Bala]

1 hour ago, Harveyyy said:

Exactly. It’s always the same individuals giving their faction a bad name, and more often than not, they’re present on nearly every scene.

We’ve been debating this for four years. While some changes have been made, they’ve only brought new issues to light. The standard response from senior staff is to contact faction leadership if you want to submit a complaint. The problem with that is the responses are often biased. Faction leaders are human, and their judgment can be influenced, especially by an officer’s rank or any OOC friendships.

An unbiased third party? Sure! Feel free to reach out to LFM if you want to file a complaint. I did, exactly seven times, in fact, and only received a response twice. Back in 2023, I even compiled a document after gathering complaints from crims and sent it to LFM, but I was completely ignored.

It’s been four years, and no meaningful changes have been made. If there were ever genuine intentions to improve things, we would’ve seen progress by now.

Why do you think people complain about this here on the forums? Because "the official channels" are useless. I'm sorry to whoever may get offended but this is the harsh truth. To me, saying "Reach out to this person or that faction" is just a typical final response to close a thread. 

Have you perhaps considered that maybe they just don't see the issues the same that you do? Often times, when I see complaints from people or even when I've made complaints, it comes from a point of not knowing why something has been done. 

Lord knows I've had my fair share of conflicts with both LFM and FM on how they've handled stuff in the past, but ultimately, whether you like it or I like or not, they are the ones entrusted with handling these situations, not you or I. If they decide on a course of action, then we've got to go along with it. 

The harsh truth is, this server cut the engine years ago and we've been drifting ever since with a lack of identity and consistency across all it's areas. Every one wants something different and depending on who you are to someone, you may get it, you may not. If you do, you love the server. If you don't, you hate it.

For some of us, myself included, we've accepted the truth. This place isn't going to wholesale change, especially with a new game on the horizon and for every person that wants wholesale change, there is probably someone else that likes things the way that they are or at least, they don't want to risk a change.

Either you can learn to accept that and make the best of it for the time you have left here, you can leave the community or you can keep making these futile threads.

I think @Quietthecutie was pretty spot-on with what she said, nearly everyone that comes into the PD faction tries to be fair and play the game in the right spirit. I'm sure it's the same in SD as well. Anyone that isn't operating in good faith, we don't really want as part of our group.

[Melodiz Bashkimi]

I think the clear problem is that there is not enough criminals in proportion to PD to balance it out. I have been on the losing side of this debate for years and I can say that it does get really fucking frustrating getting harassed by police daily, with no chance of escape. 

- The clear solution is a cheeky unban wave   - balance the player base 
 

[Bala]

2 hours ago, Melodiz Bashkimi said:

I think the clear problem is that there is not enough criminals in proportion to PD to balance it out. I have been on the losing side of this debate for years and I can say that it does get really fucking frustrating getting harassed by police daily, with no chance of escape. 

- The clear solution is a cheeky unban wave   - balance the player base 
 

Yeah great idea, then we can spend three months filling it back up again

[Jordan]

2 hours ago, Melodiz Bashkimi said:

I think the clear problem is that there is not enough criminals in proportion to PD to balance it out. I have been on the losing side of this debate for years and I can say that it does get really fucking frustrating getting harassed by police daily, with no chance of escape. 

- The clear solution is a cheeky unban wave   - balance the player base 
 

This is not just incorrect but insanely irrational

I think the biggest problem is there are players in both realms (Crim and LEO) that are very invested on winning so they'll do anything to achieve it. Just the other day I had a poor interaction with PD, we did absolutely nothing wrong, drove the speed limit the whole bit. A car conducts a U-turn and just follows us. We go to parking and a couple of us log off. Before another one of us could log off hes called a pussy and told to take his mask off by said PD officers, claiming he's already wanted (despite the fact his mask wasn't even off yet) and they arrest him calling his drugs in his inventory a "Fight Loadout" its officers like this that aren't too invested in roleplay and more so interested in winning, they did the same thing to me pressing me and calling me a "pussy" when I said nothing to them. Thats not to say Crims aren't responsible for this kind of behavior either though, I can't tell you how many times i've seen crims set up traps for LEOs to fall into, they kill the LEOs and then add it to their "Clapper montage" As a community we need to be better and be more accepting of losing situations. We also need to start allowing the chance for good RP to come out of these situations instead of cutting corners or doing anything to "Win" because yes while it is a game, we are in a ROLEPLAY server, I do not understand what roleplay comes out of calling some random person a pussy as police officer as this type of behavior would call for an officer being suspended. I also dont see what roleplay can come out of posing on top of officer's dead bodies

[Quietthecutie]

2 hours ago, Melodiz Bashkimi said:

I think the clear problem is that there is not enough criminals in proportion to PD to balance it out. I have been on the losing side of this debate for years and I can say that it does get really fucking frustrating getting harassed by police daily, with no chance of escape. 

- The clear solution is a cheeky unban wave   - balance the player base 
 

Im presuming this is a poorly timed April fools joke.

[Melodiz Bashkimi]

21 hours ago, Quietthecutie said:

Im presuming this is a poorly timed April fools joke.

No I'm being dead serious, that would probably triple the amount of criminals online + give other players motivation to play + make PD less OP indirectly 

[Mikazuki Ueno]

I don’t think a ‘cheeky unban wave’ is a good move for the server.