Make things "bearable" or less "unbearable" for the mortal crims

[Harveyyy]

I just want to start by saying that I’m all for realistic RP and all that. But I genuinely feel like certain people in a specific faction do everything in their power to strip the enjoyment out of RP interactions just for their own amusement. The constant “full throttle, 100% every single time” approach to RP isn’t fun or healthy for the criminal side of the server. I know I’m just beating a dead horse here, because people have been complaining about this exact thing since 2021-2022, but I’m going to say it anyway. The way this faction handles things is unbearable, and it’s actively pushing people to quit the server or take long LOAs.

Here’s an example:

A certain faction always pulls out the heaviest weapons they have, even against suspects who aren’t wearing armor and are only using a .50 pistol. A .50 pistol against a cop with an AP and a Carbine MK2 is basically useless, unless the cop misses every shot. I think it takes around 13 hits to drop a cop with AP, but I could be wrong. Either way, how is that even fair from an OOC perspective? Why can't the crim have a chance here? Why the "W" must be secured? This is a game, not real life. And when things are this unbalanced, people get frustrated. Both sides should have a fair chance, but when one side goes "all in" every single time, it completely kills the fun of the server.

And to make things even worse (because how on god's green earth can we make things even worse - they asked) that faction has now handed out Carbine MK2s and Jugulars to their PO3s. The Carbine MK2 is the best heavy in the game in terms of meta stats, and the Jugular is overall the best high-speed vehicle. That carbine MK2 was meant for METRO/SWAT, yet now it’s being given to any cop who hits PO3 and does their certification, which, by the way, only takes four months in the faction to get to that rank. As for the Jugular, it used to be a supervisor-only vehicle, but now any certified PO3 can use it. Do you know how many PO3s there are? A lot. So now, at almost any given time, PD has access to the best weaponry and vehicles, making things even more one-sided, because the 15 cruisers and the shinobis and the heli isn't enough apparently. Claiming this is "just IC stop crying on the forums just take the L its all RP blah blah" is a straight-up bullshit excuse. It’s not JUST IC, things like this need to be regulated OOC to maintain a balanced and healthy server. I can guarantee if the entirety of PD's high command plays crim for only 1 month, alot of this shit will change. I am not surprised they can't see the issue when the majority of them never played crim since they joined the server years ago. OR, they did but crim was way different back in 2019-2020.

I do apologize for not sugarcoating this topic;  I’ve done enough of that in the past, and I’m over it. Unfortunately, this is the reality of things right now.

On the bright side, SD are still enforcing their own OOC regulations to keep things fair for criminals. Why PD can't do the same? SD don’t hand out Carbines and Jugulars to their Master Deputies, and when it comes to interacting with crims and applying charges, they operate as a completely different law enforcement faction.

My question is, how much longer do crims have to put up with this???? The issue here is as clear as day.

NOTE: I ask you, If you've never played crim before and have always been PD, PLEASE, DO NOT comment on this 'cause I am not interested in reading one-sided comments.

[Spizor]

Hey, this is a very serious comment so I hope you don't take it sarcastically. But more recently criminals have been complaining about SD more than PD, for the same exact reasons you put in your topic. Regardless, we have made this topic https://gov.eclipse-rp.net/viewtopic.php?t=198638 so you can submit your concerns there and avoid any "one sided comments". 

[ComradeCorbyn]

48 minutes ago, Spizor said:

Hey, this is a very serious comment so I hope you don't take it sarcastically. But more recently criminals have been complaining about SD more than PD, for the same exact reasons you put in your topic. Regardless, we have made this topic https://gov.eclipse-rp.net/viewtopic.php?t=198638 so you can submit your concerns there and avoid any "one sided comments". 

Not sure why we need to catch strays. Whether you agree with Harvey's comments or not, he has at least presented what he believes are issues, not just rumors about how people are complaining more about PD! For the record, I do not, nor does the faction command in general, endorse any comments made by Harvey here.

Regardless, we have made this forum https://gov.eclipse-rp.net/viewforum.php?f=2108 so you can direct those criminals to submit their concerns there and avoid any complaining.

Edited March 29, 2025 by ComradeCorbyn

[jdotmo]

I have been told IC many time that the reason PD and SD run heavies on their backs is because of the council? No idea if this is true.

My Suggestion 

Cops are not allowed to carry any heavies on their backs unless something has been called in. Cops should have to pull heavies out of there trunk like any real cop(add a action timer. Maybe 5 seconds). Nobody should be getting pulled over for speeding and the cop gets out with a shotgun. 

[Bala]

3 hours ago, Harveyyy said:

I just want to start by saying that I’m all for realistic RP and all that. But I genuinely feel like certain people in a specific faction do everything in their power to strip the enjoyment out of RP interactions just for their own amusement. The constant “full throttle, 100% every single time” approach to RP isn’t fun or healthy for the criminal side of the server. I know I’m just beating a dead horse here, because people have been complaining about this exact thing since 2021-2022, but I’m going to say it anyway. The way this faction handles things is unbearable, and it’s actively pushing people to quit the server or take long LOAs.

Here’s an example:

A certain faction always pulls out the heaviest weapons they have, even against suspects who aren’t wearing armor and are only using a .50 pistol. A .50 pistol against a cop with an AP and a Carbine MK2 is basically useless, unless the cop misses every shot. I think it takes around 13 hits to drop a cop with AP, but I could be wrong. Either way, how is that even fair from an OOC perspective? Why can't the crim have a chance here? Why the "W" must be secured? This is a game, not real life. And when things are this unbalanced, people get frustrated. Both sides should have a fair chance, but when one side goes "all in" every single time, it completely kills the fun of the server.

And to make things even worse (because how on god's green earth can we make things even worse - they asked) that faction has now handed out Carbine MK2s and Jugulars to their PO3s. The Carbine MK2 is the best heavy in the game in terms of meta stats, and the Jugular is overall the best high-speed vehicle. That carbine MK2 was meant for METRO/SWAT, yet now it’s being given to any cop who hits PO3 and does their certification, which, by the way, only takes four months in the faction to get to that rank. As for the Jugular, it used to be a supervisor-only vehicle, but now any certified PO3 can use it. Do you know how many PO3s there are? A lot. So now, at almost any given time, PD has access to the best weaponry and vehicles, making things even more one-sided, because the 15 cruisers and the shinobis and the heli isn't enough apparently. Claiming this is "just IC stop crying on the forums just take the L its all RP blah blah" is a straight-up bullshit excuse. It’s not JUST IC, things like this need to be regulated OOC to maintain a balanced and healthy server. I can guarantee if the entirety of PD's high command plays crim for only 1 month, alot of this shit will change. I am not surprised they can't see the issue when the majority of them never played crim since they joined the server years ago. OR, they did but crim was way different back in 2019-2020.

I do apologize for not sugarcoating this topic;  I’ve done enough of that in the past, and I’m over it. Unfortunately, this is the reality of things right now.

On the bright side, SD are still enforcing their own OOC regulations to keep things fair for criminals. Why PD can't do the same? SD don’t hand out Carbines and Jugulars to their Master Deputies, and when it comes to interacting with crims and applying charges, they operate as a completely different law enforcement faction.

My question is, how much longer do crims have to put up with this???? The issue here is as clear as day.

NOTE: I ask you, If you've never played crim before and have always been PD, PLEASE, DO NOT comment on this 'cause I am not interested in reading one-sided comments.

What I tend to find amusing is that in order to try and prove some sort of people like this, a person will isolate a situation, strip it of context and use the parts that suit their narrative as if, like a bolt from beyond, NBDY or Osvaldon is all of a sudden going to go "Cyka blyat! we've been doing it wrong this whole time!"

I think the reality is, we have the criminals and the police factions for the server we have and at this point, that isn't going to change so you making this thread, like a lot of the threads get made, are ultimately pointless. When I do it, it's pointless.

That being said, PD leadership is regularly taking measures AGAINST it's own interest to ensure that we have as much of a fair playing environment as we can, without completely giving our arses up.

You make your thread with your complaints but I really don't see the same fucking energy from the criminal community about the Niobes and the Italis that are blatantly unbalanced. I don't really see the same fucking energy from the criminal community when cop players in the late time-zones are being ran through because people know there is nothing PD can do about it.

Last year, whether anyone outside of the PD wants to believe it or not, we made that OOC statement to the community about how we were going to be throttling our responses for the betterment of the community. Do you know what happened? People started weaponizing that shit against the faction, like how dare you arrest me, I thought you were going to go easy and all this.

LFM hasn't addressed any concerns of weapon usage with us. We currently have no pending cases of people misusing their firearms in-character, so where is this issue you are so convinced about?

The real truth, Harvey, is that you don't want balance at all. You want to win. That is the same for probably 90% of the criminal player base. They want to do what they want to do, with the freedom without consequences. 

People will make the most of the things they have available to them. This is why most criminals drive the same 8-10 models of car, in a pool of I don't even know how many at this point. It was the same shit in 2019. This is why people rob banks with BF-400s.

Because everyone wants to take the shortest and easiest route to a favorable outcome in a situation on this server, regardless of whether it's to further roleplay, whether it's true to their character or not. The win comes first, the roleplay comes second. That is a universal truth for the vast majority of criminal players on this server, and that's fine.

So, with all sincerity, why the fuck are you complaining about those times where we do it? You don't need to trouble yourself to answer, I'll answer for you.

Because you care about winning, Harvey, more than you care about the quality of an role-play interaction, you always have and you always will. You're not alone in that regard and that's ok, but lets not lie to ourselves and act like it's only PD that is a problem, k?

Edited March 29, 2025 by Bala

[Victor Einhart]

I am once again asking for your assistance in catching these mysterious W mentality players that nobody seems to be able to identify. Give me something tangible that I can look at to see the problem you're talking about.

Send me a video, screenshot, anything.

[Harveyyy]

4 minutes ago, Victor Einhart said:

I am once again asking for your assistance in catching these mysterious W mentality players that nobody seems to be able to identify. Give me something tangible that I can look at to see the problem you're talking about.

Send me a video, screenshot, anything.

I did.. last time.. and nothing happened.. so what's the point of posting it again if nothing's gonna happen?

[Victor Einhart]

2 minutes ago, Harveyyy said:

I did.. last time.. and nothing happened.. so what's the point of posting it again if nothing's gonna happen?

Are you certain?

[Harveyyy]

1 minute ago, Victor Einhart said:

Are you certain?

Yes.

 

[Harveyyy]

15 minutes ago, Bala said:

What I tend to find amusing is that in order to try and prove some sort of people like this, a person will isolate a situation, strip it of context and use the parts that suit their narrative

You're correct. I isolated the issue in one faction, because the issues stated above are from one singular faction. There is no context - this is an on-going issue, not a situation that happened in the past and involved specific players.

19 minutes ago, Bala said:

You make your thread with your complaints but I really don't see the same fucking energy from the criminal community about the Niobes and the Italis that are blatantly unbalanced.

This is a server-wide issue and I think the founders should be notified in regards to any and all broken vehicles. I think they didn't do enough testing before they added them to the server.

24 minutes ago, Bala said:

LFM hasn't addressed any concerns of weapon usage with us. We currently have no pending cases of people misusing their firearms in-character, so where is this issue you are so convinced about?

My brother in christ. I'm asking PD to match the force, if someone is shooting a .50, then the cop should utilize a .50. A carbine MK2 against someone with a .50 is clearly unfair.. It's all stated above in the post.. This isn't about IC IA/complaints.

27 minutes ago, Bala said:

Because you care about winning, Harvey, more than you care about the quality of an role-play interaction, you always have and you always will. You're not alone in that regard and that's ok, but lets not lie to ourselves and act like it's only PD that is a problem, k?

I don't care about winning, I care about having fun and enjoying my time on the server. That's what everyone wants to achieve, to enjoy this GAME after a long day at work.

[Osborn]

Hey, please don't lump SD into discussions about PD or vice versa. No one is perfect, not PD, not SD, not criminals, not civilians.

PD doesn't have to operate like SD. It is a different law enforcement faction. Any issues with PD or SD should be directed appropriately, and the two should not be compared. They have different ways of doing things, from radio communications to procedures. They are different, and that is OK.

Both SD and PD are structured differently and adapt to the situations and people they encounter, as well as the roleplay scenarios they engage in. They will never be the same because the circumstances they deal with are simply different.

I recommend using roleplay feedback forms or contacting LFM with complaints so they can be properly investigated, and an official staff response can be provided.

The issues people perceive are widespread and require significant shifts in mentality, not just from one side but all sides. The use of assault weapons is an IC adaptation, not a directive from the council, but a response to the fact that in most ambushes and shootouts against police, assault weapons are involved. These weapons have become more affordable and accessible to the average criminal, especially with changes to faction systems. The vehicles they use are fast because more often than not, they are chasing meta cars.

The fact that many criminals default to assault weapons and meta cars makes it difficult to balance for those who do not, but they are constantly looking for ways to improve that balance.

They do not chase wins. This has been proven in a separate forum post that compared the percentage of people who escaped police at first contact in some fashion versus those who were arrested.

That is all. Happy Saturday!

[Bala]

59 minutes ago, Harveyyy said:

I don't care about winning, I care about having fun and enjoying my time on the server. That's what everyone wants to achieve, to enjoy this GAME after a long day at work.

You not caring about winning, but you're making a post like this about losing? 

I don't even hate to break it to you, but ain't nobody on this server playing to lose. A person's idea of enjoyment on this server is being involved in situations that have a beneficial outcome to them and don't have a negative outcome. In the case of criminals, we're stopping them from doing that, sending them to a place they dont want to be and taking their assets in the process.

Of course they're going to hate us. The LSPD faction is the best at it. We're like the in-character embodiment of those admins on the server that you don't want to fuck with.

Telling people if they've never played crim to not comment is wild. It's wild because I've never been in a large criminal faction, only ever been a solo crim for a little but been a cop on the server for like six years and I've still done more for crims on this server than most.

I didn't play crim but I personally made clothing for 10 criminal factions. I didn't play crim but I added a bunch of extra lab locations for criminal factions. In fact, if you wanna run through the suggestions, some of the most well received threads for suggestions on crim came from me.

I don't say that to stroke my massive ego, I'm telling it to you because good ideas are good ideas regardless of their source. I'm not the only person that does this but some people just understand that criminals and cops need each other, but our roles are also different. Criminals can act first, criminals aren't bound by IC laws so there has to be a certain level of imbalance for cops, because if there isn't, there is little to no consequences for you.

We get it, you don't like PD. You didn't like PD when you were a staff member and you singled out GND members. That's fine, but honestly, if there really is this huge problem like you say, then I'm sure LFM and FM will put their heads together and tell us about it.

[Harveyyy]

4 minutes ago, Bala said:

You not caring about winning, but you're making a post like this about losing? 

No.. I'm making a post about things that I find unhealthy for the criminal side of the community and affect them every single day. Why are you assuming that I have the absolute worst intention behind this post?

6 minutes ago, Bala said:

I don't even hate to break it to you, but ain't nobody on this server playing to lose. A person's idea of enjoyment on this server is being involved in situations that have a beneficial outcome to them and don't have a negative outcome.

See, that's the issue, you think everyone wants to win, which also suggests you are also playing to win. Unfortunately, that isn't accurate and you can't simply make such assumptions a 'reality' in everyone's eyes. Not everyone wants to "win" - a lot of people wanna simply have fun, while also being subject to IC consequences such as getting arrested. I am not saying "stop arresting criminals", I am saying, make things fun by not going full throttle in every situation, and I can guarantee both sides will enjoy the RP at hand.

9 minutes ago, Bala said:

Telling people if they've never played crim to not comment is wild.

Not really.. I just don't want the same people who commented on previous similar threads to comment again and say the exact same things again. We'll end up running in circles. See, you say give us proof, and I give you a sample and I get ghosted. You, and other players in PD witness the crazy amount of cruisers chasing one car, not to mention shinobis being deployed for cars like the Issi Sports. A decent buffalo driver will keep up with an Issi Sports if supported by a heli, not to mention the 10+ cruisers in the pursuit line, but no, we deploy the most broken meta vehicle on the server, oh wait, we deploy 2 of them (im talking about the shinobi) so we make sure to secure the win. Who's in their right mind would say this is completely fine?

19 minutes ago, Bala said:

We get it, you don't like PD. You didn't like PD when you were a staff member and you singled out GND members.

I'm sorry if you feel like I was targeting GnD members. Fortunately, there's an appeal process for that and they can appeal their admin punishments. However, I'm pretty sure all the appeals that were posted were denied by Senior Staff, and all punishments were upheld.. So.. i'm not entirely sure why you're bringing this up here.

[Demonmit1]

I've been high command of an official faction, ive been command of a civ faction, and im now in law enforcement, so i'd say my experience is varied enough to have a valid opinion... 

I still feel like the core of this issue is the "punishment" of DOC time is the problem. DOC from the crim side NEEDS more to do, more activities, more things to be engaged with. If DOC had more things to do than punch other inmates, pick up trash, or afk for your sentence, it would be less of a drag getting caught all the time. at the end of the day, this is still a game, and it should be fun to play. DOC isnt fun for 95% of crims. Devs need to focus on fixing player experience in DOC.

[Saint_]

4 hours ago, jdotmo said:

Cops are not allowed to carry any heavies on their backs unless something has been called in. Cops should have to pull heavies out of there trunk like any real cop(add a action timer. Maybe 5 seconds). Nobody should be getting pulled over for speeding and the cop gets out with a shotgun.

Atleast when I was in PD, this is the policy more or less and you can be written up for having a heavy on your back unless you are part of a specialized division. Equiping a gun from FL takes at least 5 seconds, and you are supposed to rp it as well. This is however more of an IC issue of people carrying them on their backs.

[David Coast]

I've been playing as a criminal for a while, and honestly, it's not that bad. No matter what I do, even if I kill someone or do anything in-character, the maximum sentence I get is two hours, which I can just AFK through.

I can literally get out of prison, do another task for an hour and a half, and then buy a pump shotgun with the money. Honestly, it's fair enough to see the police driving Jugulars, as I literally bought an overpowered Paragon and an Issi Sport for like 80 quid during a sale. So, it would be pretty unfair if that alone justified me winning every time.

Sure, there are the occasional people in PD who are clearly there just to use the free weapons and cars to win fights and situations, but I wouldn’t go so far as to throw shade on the whole faction.

In almost every situation I want to win, I've never been in a gunfight and thought, "Hmm… would it be better for roleplay if I lost this fight?" That’s because I have the two-hour prison sentence hanging over my head, along with the loss of my pump, AP, or whatever kit I have. It’s simple, I’ve got this, and I don’t want to lose it.

I don’t think PD should change at all in the way you're proposing, as it literally makes no sense. Most players drive around in meta vehicles (why wouldn’t you?), and PD should respond accordingly. Was I annoyed when PD called in K9 units on my car? Yes. Was it because I’d been caught with a heavy weapon three times that day? Also yes.

I do think you're being super unfair by singling out PD. I was in SD, and I was given a pump Mk2 within a month. I'm not saying that's a bad thing just pointing out that it's also a super overpowered gun.

Sure, it can be super annoying if you get screwed over, but if you play your cards right, it won’t happen. If you don’t get into a gunfight with a cop who has AP and a carbine Mk2, you’re not going to lose that gunfight.

To be fair though, if I didn't have diamond VIP, and if I actually worked hard to buy a jugular or something, I'd probably be really fucking annoyed.

Edited March 30, 2025 by David Coast

[alexalex303]

I find any complaint about high-speeds to be made in bad faith as long as the Niobe and most other HSW vehicles continue to exist and perform at their curent level. No amount of Jugulars compensates for that.

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[Quietthecutie]

13 hours ago, jdotmo said:

Cops are not allowed to carry any heavies on their backs unless something has been called in. Cops should have to pull heavies out of there trunk like any real cop(add a action timer. Maybe 5 seconds). Nobody should be getting pulled over for speeding and the cop gets out with a shotgun. 

I would consider this if Criminals also had to RP taking out their heavies.

but ya dont, all you gotta do is hotswap it into your inventory from your glovebox. Its instant. And ultimately we play on a server where potentially anyone has an AK and armour in their glovebox. LEOs weapons are tied to their character, they cant hotswap them like crims can. But even this wouldnt work in gameplay because the moment the crim would rp taking out their AK the cops would start drawing and you get into FRP territory. and that would go double if it suddenly became ooc knowlege cops cant unrack a heavy unless they have been shot at by or seen one. and even if both parties agreed they have to RP it, and the script was changed to allow cops the same fluidity of inventory as crims. its still wouldnt work because its just turn into a typing tutor for who can "/me pulls out their heavy and racks it" fastest.

Cops dont complain when suddenly the smiling, well meaning felon who they had pulled over magically materialises an AK and AP on their person and is stepping out. but thems the breaks.

Ultimately if you wanted this to work, youd also have to change glovebox mechanics so you cant keep large heavy weapons in gloveboxes, nothing bigger than a micro. which i know no crim would ever agree to so like i said, unfeasible. 

Again, not the worst idea, but totally unworkable considering the context.

Edited March 30, 2025 by Quietthecutie

[Quietthecutie]

8 hours ago, Saint_ said:

Atleast when I was in PD, this is the policy more or less and you can be written up for having a heavy on your back unless you are part of a specialized division. Equiping a gun from FL takes at least 5 seconds, and you are supposed to rp it as well. This is however more of an IC issue of people carrying them on their backs.

See also my above comment.

[Jordan]

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The real truth, Harvey, is that you don't want balance at all. You want to win. That is the same for probably 90% of the criminal player base. They want to do what they want to do, with the freedom without consequences. 

This comment, and response as a whole (Not just the above quoted statement) deeply saddens me. As a member of this community for a good while, I've seen discussions of LEO v Crim like anyone has pop up here and there to much of the player bases dismay. These discussions are here to build a back and forth between different communities in our server. Whether that be crim v leo, or Legal and Ilegal, the whole point is to reach some middle ground so staff might work on the things stated and implement changes into the server that contribute to the health of the server.

So quite frankly, do not understand the need for pointless comments, and stray insults such as "You just want to win" when there are some valid concerns brought up in this discussion. I understand both sides. On one end crims drive around with heavies all the time, especially the more notorious ones: Rooks, OTF, etc. For PD not to bring out heavies to combat that is a little hard to believe. At the same time though, in reality I do not think personally, cops should just roll around with Carbine rifles. At the very most i'd find it fair to roll around with a pump shotgun and a pistol (More than likely a .50) as IRL police do often carry shotguns in addition to their firearm thats already on their person. The heavy weapons are reserved for swat or the bigger police units for certain situations.
 

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I would consider this if Criminals also had to RP taking out their heavies.

I was just talking to one of my fellow faction members when discussing crim RP and how much it could be improved if the scarcity of weapons was improved. I am in OTF, and we are the "Hood Rats" of Los Santos, and we were discussing how cool it would be to have gang beef with another street level hood gang with shoot outs in the cul-de-sacs. The problem is: In real life you don't exactly see two hood gangs pulling out Carbine Rifles and shit. Now for labs its kind of a different story because thats where the gang beef gets mixed, you have gangs that are based on real life hood gangs such as OTF fighting against groups that are based on Mafia's or ex-military groups that tend to bring out bigger weapons, so the mix is unfortunately inevitable.

I'm not proposing some sort of change that will limit heavy usage of any kind, im just putting it out there in the discussion in hopes someone reads up on it and agrees.

Back to the comments made in this discussion, I believe some of the people making these back handed comments and "strays" are long standing members of the community and as such should know better than to tell other people how they want to play the server. If we as a community seek improvement in any regard we have to be open to criticism from every end of the player base, whether you agree with it or not there is simply 0 need for comments like "You just want to win" or "We get it, you don't like PD." None of these comments contribute to the discussion at hand and only serve to offend more people which distracts from the discussion.

Thats all I have to say on the topic. TLDR: I get both sides, I wish the server had a more realistic behavior when it pertains to when to use "heavy" weaponry would make for some cool RP.

[Quietthecutie]

54 minutes ago, Jordan said:

Thats all I have to say on the topic. TLDR: I get both sides, I wish the server had a more realistic behavior when it pertains to when to use "heavy" weaponry would make for some cool RP.

Ultimately this is where most suggestions unfortunately break down. Neither side is willing to compromise so on we go. and it would have to be a COMPROMISE. If one side wants to change the others use of heavy weapons, they must look at their own side also.

[Jordan]

41 minutes ago, Quietthecutie said:

Ultimately this is where most suggestions unfortunately break down. Neither side is willing to compromise so on we go. and it would have to be a COMPROMISE. If one side wants to change the others use of heavy weapons, they must look at their own side also.

Agreed.

[RPatt98]

On 3/29/2025 at 11:13 AM, Harveyyy said:

I just want to start by saying that I’m all for realistic RP and all that. But I genuinely feel like certain people in a specific faction do everything in their power to strip the enjoyment out of RP interactions just for their own amusement. The constant “full throttle, 100% every single time” approach to RP isn’t fun or healthy for the criminal side of the server. I know I’m just beating a dead horse here, because people have been complaining about this exact thing since 2021-2022, but I’m going to say it anyway. The way this faction handles things is unbearable, and it’s actively pushing people to quit the server or take long LOAs.

Here’s an example:

A certain faction always pulls out the heaviest weapons they have, even against suspects who aren’t wearing armor and are only using a .50 pistol. A .50 pistol against a cop with an AP and a Carbine MK2 is basically useless, unless the cop misses every shot. I think it takes around 13 hits to drop a cop with AP, but I could be wrong. Either way, how is that even fair from an OOC perspective? Why can't the crim have a chance here? Why the "W" must be secured? This is a game, not real life. And when things are this unbalanced, people get frustrated. Both sides should have a fair chance, but when one side goes "all in" every single time, it completely kills the fun of the server.

And to make things even worse (because how on god's green earth can we make things even worse - they asked) that faction has now handed out Carbine MK2s and Jugulars to their PO3s. The Carbine MK2 is the best heavy in the game in terms of meta stats, and the Jugular is overall the best high-speed vehicle. That carbine MK2 was meant for METRO/SWAT, yet now it’s being given to any cop who hits PO3 and does their certification, which, by the way, only takes four months in the faction to get to that rank. As for the Jugular, it used to be a supervisor-only vehicle, but now any certified PO3 can use it. Do you know how many PO3s there are? A lot. So now, at almost any given time, PD has access to the best weaponry and vehicles, making things even more one-sided, because the 15 cruisers and the shinobis and the heli isn't enough apparently. Claiming this is "just IC stop crying on the forums just take the L its all RP blah blah" is a straight-up bullshit excuse. It’s not JUST IC, things like this need to be regulated OOC to maintain a balanced and healthy server. I can guarantee if the entirety of PD's high command plays crim for only 1 month, alot of this shit will change. I am not surprised they can't see the issue when the majority of them never played crim since they joined the server years ago. OR, they did but crim was way different back in 2019-2020.

I do apologize for not sugarcoating this topic;  I’ve done enough of that in the past, and I’m over it. Unfortunately, this is the reality of things right now.

On the bright side, SD are still enforcing their own OOC regulations to keep things fair for criminals. Why PD can't do the same? SD don’t hand out Carbines and Jugulars to their Master Deputies, and when it comes to interacting with crims and applying charges, they operate as a completely different law enforcement faction.

My question is, how much longer do crims have to put up with this???? The issue here is as clear as day.

NOTE: I ask you, If you've never played crim before and have always been PD, PLEASE, DO NOT comment on this 'cause I am not interested in reading one-sided comments.

IRL a police officer would have only a handgun and AT MOST a shotgun in his patrol car unless a specific scenario dictated the use of more powerful firearms. Even then, your common beat cop would not be the one authorized, it would be a specialized unit. It makes no sense for every cop in the city to ride around with a heavy on their back at all times. Another thing that wasn't mentioned is that for a crim to get access to a heavy it takes time and money whereas PD/SD it's simply a click of a button.

[Quietthecutie]

12 minutes ago, RPatt98 said:

IRL a police officer would have only a handgun and AT MOST a shotgun in his patrol car unless a specific scenario dictated the use of more powerful firearms. Even then, your common beat cop would not be the one authorized, it would be a specialized unit. It makes no sense for every cop in the city to ride around with a heavy on their back at all times. Another thing that wasn't mentioned is that for a crim to get access to a heavy it takes time and money whereas PD/SD it's simply a click of a button.

See my above comment explaining why this is a thing, including the fact that any crim can have an AK and Armour in their glovebox, as well as the potential to resolve that issue if suddenly that wasnt a thing. its give and take and simply declaring something as IRL unrealistic dosent mean it shouldnt happen on a server which (lets all be honest) isnt.

If you want all LEOs to suddenly not have heavies on their backs, crims would have to conceede the ability to store heavies in gloveboxes. as this also breaks your "unrealistic" rule and thus, would be hypocritical to forget. that would be the only way it would possibly work.

Edited March 31, 2025 by Quietthecutie

[RPatt98]

36 minutes ago, Quietthecutie said:

See my above comment explaining why this is a thing, including the fact that any crim can have an AK and Armour in their glovebox, as well as the potential to resolve that issue if suddenly that wasnt a thing. its give and take and simply declaring something as IRL unrealistic dosent mean it shouldnt happen on a server which (lets all be honest) isnt.

If you want all LEOs to suddenly not have heavies on their backs, crims would have to conceede the ability to store heavies in gloveboxes. as this also breaks your "unrealistic" rule and thus, would be hypocritical to forget. that would be the only way it would possibly work.

That would be a perfectly fair compromise. Makes no sense for all of that to fit in a glove box either.

"simply declaring something as IRL unrealistic dosent mean it shouldnt happen on a server which (lets all be honest) isn't." Totally disagree here, the goal of any RP server is realism. Disregard the realism aspect, it still creates a power imbalance.