[DISCUSSION] The Pier Restoration and Hotspot Project

[Bala]

Revitalizing Del Perro Pier

For those of you that were with us during COVID, you will no doubt remember that the Del Perro Pier was a hotspot for the server and a place that any one could go to find people to interact with, most of the day. Currently, while we have that in some form in other places such as Bayview, Benny's, Burger Shot and Parking, I think it's fair to say that these areas don't really offer the same experience as the Pier.

Obviously the Pier had it's own problems and hopefully in the course of this discussion, we can work through those and come with up with a plan to bring something like this back. It's talked about, somewhat fondly, by a lot of the player base and it would be nice in the current climate to have it again.

 FISHING

Fishing Job Revamp

• Add @Thang 's fishing mini game to the job, where a line goes up and down a meter and you have to press a key at the right time, to get your bite, rather than the current system.
• Return to the previous system where you were prompted that a fish was hooked and you pressed the key to reel it in.
• Add a Can of Worms Item which can be bought from any 24/7, with 100 worms inside. Using the Can of Worms will increase the margin for error when your fish is hooked.
• Add a Big Fish Item  which can only be caught by fishing in Del Perro. This sells for 10% more than the regular Fish.
• Add a Rare Fish Item (Weekend) which can only be caught on Saturdays & Sundays, fishing in Del Perro. These fish sell for 20% more than regular Fish and will expire by that Monday, so they are completely worthless after the Weekend.

This puts the ability to make the fishing job easier, in the player's hands and also, gives people a limited time incentive to come together in one location for a purpose to their interest. Any one that has played World of Warcraft will be familiar with the fishing events they do every weekend.

️ SEA TRAWLING

This would ideally, be a group activity but you could still run it solo. You would do it in full view of the Pier, so it's keeping people in view of others and obviously if you need crew mates, good place to ask right?

• Take a Fishing Boat (Tug) out into the water surrounding the Del Perro, by yourself or with a crew of up to 6 people.
• Take the Tug out to your designated anchor spot and drop the anchor on the boat, complete the tasks and bring home the tuna.
   
• There will be several tasks on board the boat that need to be completed in order to start gathering fish.
  Anchor Down (Wheel Minigame): The anchor will need to be lowered.
  Net Deployments (Timed): The boat has three nets that will need to be lowered into the sea.
  Bait Deployment (Timed): You will need to throw bait into the water. This can be a can of worms, spoiled food, raw meat, human flesh. Place those items into the ships inventory and deploy the bait.
  🛢 Generator Fill-Up (Timed): The on-board boat generator will need to be filled up with fuel (oil barrels) to power the winch.
   
• Once those tasks are done, you will need to start the process of gathering the fish.
  Anchor Up (Wheel Minigame): The anchor will need to be raised.
  Winch Net Retrieval (Timed): The three nets will need to all be raised.
  Fish Storage (Timed): Prepping the storage unit of the ship for all the fish to be put in.
   
• Each timed task will take two minutes to do. Each wheel mini-game should take like half a minute.
   
• The amount of fish you catch on the trawler and by extension, the amount of money that gets made from a successful, will increase depending how many different people completed tasks.
• The trawler is returned to the NPC and the person that is driving the trawler is the one that gets paid the money on hand, they can decide how to distribute it via IC means.
  The more people, the quicker you make money but the less everyone probably makes.

DEEP SEA DIVING

Thanks again to Thang, we have a script that would allow players to put on a scuba suit, swim for a fixed but extended period of time and interact with deep sea wrecks, to salvage materials to sell for $$$.

• Buy a Scuba Suit Item from a 24/7 or a Clothing Store. This would allow you to breathe underwater for an extended period of time, while you complete your work.
• You would then speak to an NPC and take out an Avisa or a Submersible, for transportation and item storage.
• ⛏ You would go to the wrecks and begin using the Cutting Torch to pull Salvage Metal or Iron/Copper/Steel (like with the mining) off the wrecks.
• You would fill up your inventory but then also, swim back to your vehicle and place the metal inside the vehicle.
• You can sell the Salvage Metal to the NPC that rents you the vehicle or you can take the pieces of actual metal to the Foundry.

THE DEL PERRO MARKET

Every Fortnight on a Saturday at 7PM, there would be the Del Perro Market at the end of the Pier, which would bring players together in one spot for different purposes. It would be quite interesting to have a scheduled event that all players are aware, will be available no matter what every two weeks.

• Recruitment Stalls - Allow factions like PD & SD, DOC, DOC, DCC, Mechanics and Weazel to set-up Recruitment stalls on the Pier, so they can interest players in their faction and also hangout in a way that makes sense
• Business Stalls - Allow certain market traders to sell items directly to players using some of the approved stalls, whether that is food and drink or whatever else.
• Special Poster Boards - Weazel News would be able to use special poster boards at the Pier, to make people aware of different things happening all week long.
• DJs - We have a few resident DJs in Eclipse, get someone on the decks and get people dancing. It happens at every party.
• Hosted Events - The events team or other people could host different events down on the Pier, such as the popular raffle giveaways, boxing etc..
• Downtown Cabs  - Quite often, events in ECRP happen at 8pm so DCC would be around to offer direct transport to those events once the market finished.

POLICE INVOLVEMENT

• Speed Limit - The limit on the Pier would be the same as any other road in Los Santos (80).
• Parking Meters - These parking meters would not be enforced but instead, if people are actively at the Pier with their vehicle then it's fine, but if they are not then their vehicle can get ticketed / towed to keep the amount of vehicles on the pier down.
• Shared Jurisdiction  - Probably a controversial one but I think given the nature of the Pier and also, where we are at as a server, I think that the Pier being a shared jurisdiction between PD & SD, where both can mingle with the server's population would be good for the server. It's something unique for the server but also provides pretty good coverage for involvement there.
• Del Perro Police Station - This sort of dovetails with the above shared juro but the Del Perro Police Station would be a shared building with PD and SD, for conveniently locking up people on the Pier that misbehave but also for going on duty and getting vehicles out.

I think that perhaps one of the issues with the Pier before was that we were a little too hard on things like mask enforcement at the Pier, which for some of our player base, felt like harassment. While we've got a role to fulfill in the server and have to enforce the penal code, we also need to make sure there is a balance to it. But then, having a police presence there or nearby also helps keep people safe.

PARKING

• Add the Wooden Parking Area by the Pier as a Parking Lot, the same as Legion and Paleto.

I think that a third parking lot would be beneficial for the player base, especially on that side of the map. It also cycles people between the centre of Los Santos and the West. Keeps the amount of vehicles being around down as well, as people can despawn their cars and go roleplay, especially when events are happening.

PIER ACCESS

You would be able to drive all the way down the Pier, until you get to Pearl's restaurant.

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FEEDBACK, OPINIONS, COUNTER SUGGESTIONS 

Appreciate that this is more of a suggestion than a discussion but in part, I wanted to discuss something different than the recent topics but more than that, I feel like having a hotspot in the server once again, sort of goes beyond any regular suggestion.

Obviously there is quite a bit here and not every one is going to agree with everything but if you have counter points or your own ideas on how to achieve this or you simply just want to support the idea then by all means.

Edited February 17, 2025 by Bala

[Eliza]

Good suggestion +1

[SquirtleSquad]

There are some great and amazing ideas here, would also give MD's Lifeguard Division a bit more RP as well as they'll be able to deploy and patrol around to assist those stranded, injured, lost, etc. Love it!

+1 BRING BACK THE PIER

[GodDammitKopi]

Anything to bring the pier back I will always 100% back. 

+1 BRING BACK THE PIER!

[Larbear]

Hell yeah brother! 

+1 BRING BACK THE PIER

[AnakinB]

+1 to everything but the shared juro station, shared juro doesn't make much sense to me as its literally in the city, makes no sense in my eyes that everything in the city is in PD juro but if SD want they can go thru PD juro to get thru the pier just seems like it would cause issues of SD being where they shouldn't even more than it is now. and frankly PD don't need another station

[Requiem]

I think police presence would be overdone if it were shared juro, but thats more of an IC thing honestly, not OOC. 

As far as the scuba stuff goes, I think if it were to be implemented, it should be done in a way that the scuba gear is restricted to the minigame only. We have enough problems with swimming desync as it is, and I feel with the number of drug lab locations next to water, the scuba suit would not ever be used for the mini game and only for pushing/leaving labs and other criminal activities, creating unbalanced/unhealthy interactions, too open for abuse. 

As for the events mentioned ((bi)-weekly), I feel that this is too often. People might attend and enjoy it for the first couple of times, then it would die off and people hosting the events wouldn't be motivated to do it anymore. Should reserve those events for on-demand things or at least do them less frequently. 

The general prices for metal and fish would probably have to be looked at as well. There is a reason no one does it now, and even offering some cool new features won't be enough to encourage people to do it. Despite being an RP server, people will always tend to want to min/max this stuff and simply do the jobs that make them the most money. 

[AtlasOLimbo]

1 hour ago, Bala said:

 FISHING

Fishing Job Revamp

• Add @Thang 's fishing mini game to the job, where a line goes up and down a meter and you have to press a key at the right time, to get your bite, rather than the current system.
• Add a Can of Worms Item which can be bought from any 24/7, with 100 worms inside. Casting your fishing net with this will make it easier for you to catch your fish.
• Add a Big Fish Item  which can only be caught by fishing in Del Perro. This sells for 10% more than the regular Fish.
• Add a Rare Fish Item (Weekend) which can only be caught on Saturdays & Sundays, fishing in Del Perro. These fish sell for 20% more than regular Fish and will expire by that Monday, so they are completely worthless after the Weekend.

This puts the ability to make the fishing job easier, in the player's hands and also, gives people a limited time incentive to come together in one location for a purpose to their interest. Any one that has played World of Warcraft will be familiar with the fishing events they do every weekend.

I think this is definitely worth expanding upon! Why stop here! I've had the idea of years to allow for varied baits/fishes. Better bait gets you better fishies, and species/weight of fish can vary.

I don't expect all the effort into the world to go into this, but my dream system would have different species for different areas or even different times of the week like you go into. I remember their being an elusive tale of a "golden fish" that everyone talked about when the pier was SUPER active during COVID-era. I'd love for this to be a real thing! Even an 0.001% chance of getting a 10-20x value fish would give a lot of people a reason to keep fishing.

Maybe it could be so rare and valuable that only a certain amount could be caught in 24 hours? Making it a global event that can be celebrated for someone to catch one!

It's like gambling, but less risk!

I think we can have a lot of fun with this suggestion and truly pump some lifeblood back into the server and social/civ RP with these suggestions.



I agree with the sentiment that the shared JURO is a bit silly but I understand the motivation behind it. If Del Perro had a station added, I'd like to see it limited to basic, beach friendly equipment like boats, BMXes and caddies. I don't want it to be used as simply another spawnpoint for PD but rather fuel for roleplay in the surrounding area.



And finally, regarding the SCUBA suit. I think it's perfectly possible for it to be balanced in such a way that prevents it from being used in PvP/crim constantly. But I also think the opportunities it presents for crims are cool in of itself.

edit: +1 BRING BACK THE PIER!!!
 

Edited February 17, 2025 by AtlasOLimbo

[SquirtleSquad]

BRING IT BACK

[DaddyShrood]

41 minutes ago, AtlasOLimbo said:

I think this is definitely worth expanding upon! Why stop here! I've had the idea of years to allow for varied baits/fishes. Better bait gets you better fishies, and species/weight of fish can vary.

I don't expect all the effort into the world to go into this, but my dream system would have different species for different areas or even different times of the week like you go into. I remember their being an elusive tale of a "golden fish" that everyone talked about when the pier was SUPER active during COVID-era. I'd love for this to be a real thing! Even an 0.001% chance of getting a 10-20x value fish would give a lot of people a reason to keep fishing.

Maybe it could be so rare and valuable that only a certain amount could be caught in 24 hours? Making it a global event that can be celebrated for someone to catch one!

It's like gambling, but less risk!

I think we can have a lot of fun with this suggestion and truly pump some lifeblood back into the server and social/civ RP with these suggestions.



I agree with the sentiment that the shared JURO is a bit silly but I understand the motivation behind it. If Del Perro had a station added, I'd like to see it limited to basic, beach friendly equipment like boats, BMXes and caddies. I don't want it to be used as simply another spawnpoint for PD but rather fuel for roleplay in the surrounding area.



And finally, regarding the SCUBA suit. I think it's perfectly possible for it to be balanced in such a way that prevents it from being used in PvP/crim constantly. But I also think the opportunities it presents for crims are cool in of itself.

edit: +1 BRING BACK THE PIER!!!
 

too many words

 

good suggestion though Bala.

[Marco11]

+1 

what a fabulous idea wishing you all the best 

[Marksy]

+1 

[OBESE]

Cant wait to see the REAL OG GANGSTER fisherman robbery RP back!

[Adam_Kippling]

Huge +1

[Bunkie]

Nothing quite like seeing someone get their shoes stolen at gunpoint while fishing. 
 

+1 bring the pier back

[Bala]

So on reflection, it feels like maybe people would prefer just the old mechanic of the fishing where you'd wait and when you were prompted, you press the button to grab the fish.

Would people prefer that, to now or a hooking minigame.

I'll update the original post as well.

[AtlasOLimbo]

1 hour ago, Bala said:

So on reflection, it feels like maybe people would prefer just the old mechanic of the fishing where you'd wait and when you were prompted, you press the button to grab the fish.

Would people prefer that, to now or a hooking minigame.

I'll update the original post as well.

I think both have their pros and cons. I'd personally prefer a hooking minigame but it should pay more to reward the skill check that comes with that. 

[NotKempi]

1 hour ago, Bala said:

So on reflection, it feels like maybe people would prefer just the old mechanic of the fishing where you'd wait and when you were prompted, you press the button to grab the fish.

You could keep the current system as is but add the optional "High-quality bait" item, which turns fishing into a reeling minigame. This would give you larger fish that are worth 10-20% more, but it would require you to get and apply bait alongside finishing the minigame. Making it a bit more rewarding if you want to put in the attention and skill but nothing too crazy so fishing without it is still a valid option if you just want to chill on the pier.

[jdotmo]

+1 never a bad idea from Bala

[Bala]

3 hours ago, jdotmo said:

+1 never a bad idea from Bala

I dunno Travis, I have a couple every now and then but yeah, part of the magic of fishing as has been explained to me, was how easy and low effort it was, so you could roleplay at the same time.

I think thats perfect for spending 30..60..90 minutes in the same location.

[Scarface]

+1

[Carl Vespucci]

+1

Fishing needs to be more profitable, 

Deep sea fishing = more profitable fish (PIRATE RP).

Edited February 19, 2025 by Carl Vespucci

[Ash]

Not to reduce the suggestion, but let's be very clear. The reason the pier was popular was because it was a spot to grind money for basically 0 effort and chat to people doing it after private labs died. People moved onto road crew, burger shot and public labs for that once it became more profitable than fishing.

I legitimately think the pier would boom again if fish sold for more.

The suggestions are cool though

[Bala]

14 hours ago, Ash said:

Not to reduce the suggestion, but let's be very clear. The reason the pier was popular was because it was a spot to grind money for basically 0 effort and chat to people doing it after private labs died. People moved onto road crew, burger shot and public labs for that once it became more profitable than fishing.

I legitimately think the pier would boom again if fish sold for more.

The suggestions are cool though

I think we're pretty clear but also the feedback from outside the thread is that the job was better when it was cast and wait for the prompt, rather than the minigame so you have the opportunity to socialise and chill doing it.

More money is always an incentive but then it'd probably cuck another job. 

The rest of the suggestions is ideally taking what we had and expanded upon it.

[Bobbias Willis]

Awesome idea! I would love another hangout spot in the server!! HUGE +1