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I think this is a good idea, and I would say if you start it out and get it rolling you could easily develop it into an official faction and eventually earn government funding via an ic contract with the government! Would like to see someone take this and run with it!

there is plenty of opportunity to make this a business where you interact with each other. Obviously as in RL there would be free lance truckers, but there is already a group RPing as a truckers union. Perhaps find them IC and see what you can find out!

1. Interesting concept. 2. Night clubs do hire body guards, this is not a scripted job but one that is player generated and already exists. 3. When the casinos were open this was a job that occured but the owners haven't opened it back up in a while. 4. This idea was batted around by PD a while ago, and was decided it wouldn't be a good idea as it would be considered vigilantism and people would abuse it and would just cause more issues for PD to deal with. 5. Dont like this idea, you'd have players stealing planes, landing and crashing them all over the city.

They are a nice car, might catch a glimpse of it if you get lucky... its red to

I can confirm the Itali GTO is in the server. IT was auctioned off for 14million about 10months ago. I see it everyday! No its not mine, but i know whos it is. This was auctioned off as a one time car, so i dont suspect it will get added. They also did at the time 10 other vehicles including a submarine!

Mike i use to run the original Irish back in the days of Irish, and Exiled running the city, that criminal has plenty of play time, and isn't as active as i use to be on him as the criminal life well, I got tired of being robbed for going into a general store and my radio, phone battery and food gets stolen, kinda ruined it. Whilst I can not speak to the day to day life of criminals, but a criminal that is self conscious and doesn't want to go to jail for a life sentence. (which murder should be) Isn't about to walk into a clothing store to rob someone of a burger, radio and a water... just doesn't make sense, even as a criminal. Back when I was a gang member we avoided actions around where we would be seen doing them, made sure no one was around, made plans not just on a whim, that being said the server was less populated and silly crimes didn't happen like they do now. PD duty was quite most evenings where you'd have 20mins of no calls... now days, if there is 10calls pending to get answers then its a slow day. If folks were to act according to witnesses and such then I don't think this would be an issue to put it back in place, that being said there are to many players that don't care, and will just rob anyone, anywhere. I guess you would need to offer some form of policing for abuse of the robbery rule in said conflicts, you cant say that it makes sense for you to attempt to rob someone over a burger or a t-shirt in a clothing store, or a general store that has video surveillance. Currently with the CCTV system we need to actively be watching it to catch a crime, and a witness needs to be able to provide an id so we can /ldo for the investigation.

+1 think this is a cool idea! TBH nothing stopping someone from doing this rply... make a deal with a store, buy product, and setup shop!

I appreciate your concern about our pd members and groups. The state of San Andreas is not a small populated area and is made to mimic Los Angelas (how ever you spell it) as such based on the LAPD, vs LSPD, we are understaffed compared to the population of what would rply be in this city, and based on crime rates. If one was to use serious crime rate vs PD members and than translate that ratio to our server... you would find that we need what would equate to 5 officers on duty per civilian to match the LAPD crime-officer ratio. The 7 pd's your taking to... There are 2 departments, each with multiple branches, these are not separate entities and are governed and monitored by the members of City Hall. I am a strong support of the robbing rule, it was ridiculous getting a 911 call "i've been robbed at LSC" we get there and there are 30people there saying they witnessed it... Sorry but a smart criminal isn't gonna rob someone in a busy place, either in game or in real life... there is a reason my criminal has only been arrested 3 times in 3 years.... and has committed more crimes then i can recall. This rule has opened up so many avenues for civilians and criminals alike to interact and rather then just shoot, talk. Eclipse is not intended as a PVP server... you want that go to GTA online! Folks that join Eclipse with the intention of staying are here to Roleplay... not just shoot. I would take a good RP situation over a shoot out any-day. Truly enjoy a nice long conversation with some RP thrown in and a story... especially when compared to the old robbery system of "Hands up this is ROBBB, you have 3 seconds.... 1....2....3" BANG BANG... press I (now search) take stuff... run.

@NeverMind i would never get to rp, then, as 9 out of 10 situations I could call admins for excessive /b or fear rp or non rp... im here to RP not to make form reports or sit in ooc situtations for hours. ( and believe me ive had some that last 2-3hours, taking up 20 players, standing there whilst someone doesn't understand what they did wrong.) Yes i can report folks, but as I said, im not here to dicker in form reports, I am here to RP. "Nevermind" officers 99% of the time wont take their eyes off a person, as if you have your hands up your getting cuffed, meaning he is rping with you and focusing on you, and if I turn 180 from you, and im talking to someone, they are looking at me and will see you behind me moving. Perhaps if people RP'd a bit more instead of the "get it over with" mentality this would be different. I apologize I have strayed from the initial topic. @krooks365 never thought of that, perhaps there needs to be a timer set then, from time of downed to when you can utilize your phone, would be like 2mins, then radio 8mins or something... not sure.

I would disagree Pheonix, what kind of creative rp would allow you to use your radio whilst cuffed or in the hands up position? As is stated in the rules or at least it was in the last iteration, that if your downed your dying and need to RP as such, being shot repeatedly you would be in pain if your lucky enough to be conscious. My issue is that players do not understand that cops have the ability to put players under fear rp, they choose to ignore both tazers, pistols and heavy weapons. I know that this is turning into a rant but what happens is we will have guns drawn and people will talk on their radio and all we can do is /me grabs the mans arm and radio... guy keeps talking.... Anyways, I think this radio thing needs modification and updateing.

I'd really like to see it so when your cuffed/ziptied you cant use your radio and when your hands are up... that would be good change, as it happens more often then it should a person will be under gun point and we will hear them . "I'm near X location, send help im being robbed" in that instance generally you shoot em, but when its ""I'm near X location, send help im being arrested". Well cops cant shoot you, because instantly we get reported both ic and ooc.... so limit radio use while hands up, doing any animation, (under fear rp, which is impossible to limit scriptly), that as it is straight up powergaming to use a radio in your ear, if your cuffed, and secondly your under fear rp... so yea..

If someone sees someone using a panic alarm when they are down'd please take a picture and pass it along to a Command member from the players respective faction, and or make a report on the forums as this is a server rule, obviously it is a hard habit to break, but that being said if they hit it by mistake they can delete it and void it via /f chat. so just remind them first, as we all try and help each other make the adaptions to rules.

The lspd process has been in operation for 3 years with multiple changes during that time, should you wish to help with it I'd suggest you join the department, work with the recuritment team and then talk to its leaders about what you want to do. Alot of us have put hundreds of hours into this faction and of course are open to change.

Still stands as an IC question and is a constant changing item, best pursue it ICLY if you want to know... otherwise i guess you won't find out.

okay, I can see why you'd feel that way, but get a trucker faction going and then the server staff might make it a faction meaning to handle jobs you need to be apart of it I would personally love to see it become a thing, before the new update came out, I had put together a huge list of things I wanted to see for the trucker job and 90% got implemented the other 10 require IC work, and unfortunately I don't have the time to put into it currently.

I don't see an issue with an owner running his own truck, there's loads of small convenience stores across the globe that go to the local supermarket and buy their own products.... hell I know a gas station that is privately run and goes to the local fuel processing place with their own tanker to get fuel once a month....soooo All i would suggest is get a union going, and refuse orders less then what you feel is acceptable. I think if players took the incentive and took it seriously and got a faction rolling that support would be given from the admin side to assist more so, but so long as these jobs are getting completed what's going to motivate shop keepers to lose money.

+1 please make avalible at stores, and buy/sell in prison.

1. I see a pile of critters around but maybe that's cuz i'm not looking for them. 2. Seems like an IC problem that can be resolved with a few folks taking the lead and creating a faction to handle contracts, I think it would be pretty simple to get started and would likely be a good thing to get some RP for truckers. (potentially even get contracts from criminals for pickup/drop off of goods). 3. This is something that needs reported when noticed. 4. Not familiar with these mechanics as I haven't used them. 5. People would MG this and would cause all kinds of other problems. 6. The market in-game is player driven, as things become more and more rare they become more valuable, unfortunately it is the nature of supply vs demand. 7. I would support a city bee being available if only 1 taxi is on shift, but there are other means of public transit available, if you want to make some money, drive a bus around get some RP make friends, there are also essentially ubers in the city also, just need to find out whos doing it, they advertise a lot on weazle. 8. Already spoke about this one. 9. The interiors can be decorated, look at some of Belle Blackwood and others works, she did an amazing one for me! 10. Nope, don't like this idea, it is a way to automate player interaction, if you want to sell something, do it through player interaction.

I like the idea of a player acting as an illegal medic, that being said a "makeshift hospital" wouldn't be able to provide full capabilities of a hospital, im sure there are some out there but I don't see them having the tools to fix a lot of the injuries that criminals rp on scenes. /do you would see 30 bullets lodged in his torso... moving along, I think this would need to be a managed faction with scruitiny on rp as this would require extensive RP. I use to do this with my criminal in all honesty we would rush our injuried (not downed) friend to a house which we had setup as a hospital (stole a few ambulances to stock it up with medical supplies) and we would do make shift rp to treat the injuries using what we had at our disposal. Plyers, stove burner, fire poker, etc.... The rp would take over an hour for a gunshot, and once complete we would submit the recording to have the players health healed. It was a good time, full of laughs and holy shit moments. But we put about 30hours of solid rp into getting to the point of doing this. cased out ambulances, stole them without getting caught or baiting them. got on of our more legal characters to get first aid training through md. positioned all the stuff in the apartment with /me and /do cleaned the place spotless using /me and /do It was 30hours of rp for 4 people, and then we had 3 makeshift bullet removals in it that took over 1-2hours each, and often times ended up having bonfires outback after burning the cloths and blood stained furniture. If you do the rp, and provide proof im sure the admins will get behind and support you, but expecting them to create an automated script so you don't have to risk getting caught taking your friend to MD, I think isn't the right answer.... whats stopping you hauling your friend close to MD, then calling 911... and hiding out of sight? There is always a way for those that are creative and driven.

Pertaining to the trucker suggestion, a couple folks have tried to kick off a truckers union but gave up long before they got it finished. Secondly pertaining to stores being robbed. I think this would be a terrible decision, I ask you how many times do you suspect a singular store gets robbed? Mine gets robbed upwards of 50times a day.... that's 500k stolen from my store.. Since I bought it the store has generated 500k in profit in 8months.... so, I think that is an unfair suggestion especially since confiscated money gets turned into the city hall and doesn't go back to stores. If this is a suggestion you wish to pursue I would suggest that stores that are robbed log photos that are uploaded to the owners phone upon the hands up, there would also need to be away for cops to get in touch with the criminals to RP investigations and criminals would need to agree that an investigation may take a few weeks to conclude and when the crime is placed not to instantly file reports against the faction. Currently if the cop doesn't see you on the property there is zero chance of getting caught, but there is a man standing there that could easily describe your clothing, voice, car, hair tattoos etc, but this is an not option currently. So there would need to be support on this side also. This will also mean prices will skyrocket to compensate, as it costs money for product purchase, trucking, and taxes (@35%) I'm sorry that you feel store owners are getting rich but I can assure you, if your paying exuberant prices you should shop around there are a fair few that pay high for freight and charge low for stock. (example I charge 175$ for a bottle of water, and pay 5,000 for a delivery), you just gotta find the right shops.

Reviewing the recent updates and development stuff I see a lot focused on bug repair and add ins for the general population. The alternative law enforcement faction was created to allow more folks to join the law side of the rp, as well as to increase player counts in the county rather then just the city, the introduction of the Department of Corrections was to generate RP for players while they spend time in jail, along with jobs in jail, was to create more for the criminal based players. Stating that the majority of updates are for pd/sd in development are mostly due to bugs within our program scripting, also a lot of the departments changes are due to IC requests for different equipment and stem from a need to respond to criminal rp and the way groups carry themselves. (prime example would be if the national guard is a thing would be in retaliation to the huge criminal organizations that populate the city unchecked.) I understand both sides as I was once a criminal and still hop on now and again to enjoy some of the less strict roleplay options that are there. When I played my criminal frequently I focused on internal rp within the faction that 95% of the time didn't need script support or commands or items created by the server, these were some of the best times I had roleplaying my criminal was for the RP rather then a shoot'emup or a chase. Either way I feel both sides are getting a good amount of the developers attentions, as Aldraine stated it takes time to develop stuff especially from scratch, it can take months to work out the kinks in stuff. My suggestion, if you have ideas, and based on the way we in PD present our suggestions we spend a lot of time drafting up what we would like to see. Example Below Suggest = (Title of your suggestion) Does it require development = Yes/No What is the benefit of the request = (detailed explanation of what this suggestion will create for members of the server, not just criminals/cops but the community as a whole) Suggestions should take time, and explain what is needed, not just "its boring give us more to do", if you want more to do, come up with some ideas. A lot of the current stuff in the server from activities are supported by the vanilla GTA or RAGE, these are faster, easier and generally less buggy when adding to the server, creating something from scratch takes a lot of time and effort to create, thus I can imagine that the development team would like to see what they can expect from the creation and implication of a new activity prior to spending months creating it. So make suggestions and focus on a way to present your ideas in a cohesive thought will make it a lot easier for them. Good luck.

The pd didn't write the penal code it was written a long time ago, a couple laws were added because of IC reasons and by ic discussions. Prison times were reduced alot and fines are in place to compensate for the fact that people get a huge government cheque every hour.

I like the idea, but your talking a huge forum based position, and well frankly I know i would much rather not have to be the one doing it, your talking based on the number of arrests, you would be looking at 500+ cases to review a day, with evidence from both sides. You would also need to make a way for /record to store video as there are players that don't have the computer power to record. You'd also need a way to validate rp that it actually happened... the leg work for each case would be huge, and would force pd members to spend even more time on the forums and it would be forced, you would see a decrease in PD as we didn't come to a roleplay server to play forum warriors. I like the idea but you'd need to figure out how to make it work so that it didn't result in hours of forum work, and also what happens to people while the charges are pending, i would hope we aren't going to let a murder roam the streets while his case is reviewed.

I agree, obviously a body cant be arrested, but could allow for /ldo with said player to collect evidence from the scene as often times, there isn't much that can be done when we find a body... its oh, well someone got shot... so we clean up the body and get rid of it... that's the extent of pd rp for over 50% of bodies found, it would be nice if we could id them, then /ldo officers find a body, what would the cause of death be? then they can do some rp on scene, collect abit of evidence... especially with so many businesses having cctv on their exteriors now it would lead to rp for both sides, and more investigations for folks to partake in.

+1 , whilst I understand the concerns pertaining to Chopping cars, but this is about RP, not about grinding money, this community isn't intended to be about money but rather about rp and player interactions... currently I will get a handful of 911 calls a shift saying "my car was stolen from parking lot" so I pull up and guy tells me "I just took it out and guy jumped in it and was gone"... this isn't rp this is abuse of a server script, as rply these cars would be secured in a secure compound inside the parking lot... not just poof into existence. Thus lets rp folks! its why we are here!!!!