The use of derogatory slurs in VOIP

[Destuin]

5 hours ago, Jerzy Mceden said:

+1 Even in the Irl hood the homies aren't running around hard R'in it's always "nigga" , so to say people need to hard R for character purposes is straight bullshit , and nobody uses the word faggot anymore irl but 12yr olds on CoD.

What do you mean by this?? We are banning the use of racial slurs over VOIP if I stand in Grove and hear someone say the N word boom I can report them. Then what we have an admin discretion on whether they said it with a hard r or not? We gonna need some linguistic specialist admins xD

[Ronnie Moretti]

Although I don’t use words like this in person or on the server personally, I don’t think it’s a good idea to try and stop people having the freedom to say what they want. It’s an RP server where the majority of us hold very high RP standards and try to treat the game as realistic as possible. Banning or punishing certain words or phrases isn’t keeping this as realistic as possible as you can’t ban words IRL. If someone says the N word to a black guy’s face IRL they’re probably getting punched or worse. If someone calls someone a f*****t, there are also IRL consequences. 

freedom of speech is the key and that should never change. If the victim wants to respond/react IC then do it, report to police or retaliate however they feel. 

That’s the way forward IMO. 

Edited October 15, 2021 by Ronnie Moretti

[Bala]

The problem Ronnie is that the use of some of these words does go beyond the game and effects people in a way that isn't healthy for the community. Calling someone a dick is an insult but it's not the same severity as calling someone the n word for example.

Yes, people could potentially use the word to motivate their own IC actions by using IC violence but that's assuming they are in a position where that's a possibility.

For this to run smoothly, context has to be out of the window because there is too much twisting and playing of the rules already. It's use cannot be open to interpretation. If you say it and it's a genuine accident (as it is sometimes just a part of people's every day language), then apologising for it in /b should suffice. But if no apology was further coming or you continued to use these slurs then you'd have to be dealt with.

I know people are resistant to this. I've made a lot of good suggestions on this forum but honestly, this is the one I feel the most strongly about. I don't know why, it might be an age thing but we just gotta do better man.

[KrisBoyd]

+1 Why do I have to ask consent to RPly piss on someone, but I can scream whatever offensive slur I want ad infinitum? Much like pissing on people and pulling my dick out, extreme racist/homophobic insults should be on an opt-in basis, not an opt-out basis like it is currently. All it takes is the first "n****r" or "f****t" mention to have that impact, the subsequent slurs don't matter.

[skeletee]

+1 I have never used derogatory slurs or even felt the need so I wouldn’t mind the implementation of this rule. I think it’s important to accommodate all types of players to just generally be kind, and that does mean being mindful of what you say when interacting with others. If two people have interacted before and know they are comfortable with its use, then go ahead! If not, there are loads of different ways to have hostile interactions without the use of derogatory slurs.. 

[ArcAngel]

I am 100% for making this community a safe and enjoyable environment. 
I wont go into detail about which words i DO and DONT agree with. 

At the end of the day, we do have OOC rules that state we can point out when a word becomes offensive and request the other person to stop.

I think language is the largest tool players have to express and develop their characters, limiting what they can and cannot say is going to make the immersion less effective.

I feel that things are fine the way they are and if people of offended or upset by something someone says, they are able to request that person stop.

[lSpixsy]

-1 for the suggestion, if you feel offended, just use /b and inform the player about it and they will stop.

[Bala]

Nope, things are not fine as they are, at all.

You cannot take back saying things or the effect those words might have on people. The cat is already out of the bag at that point.

Maybe someone listens if you ask them in /b to stop and maybe they don’t. The reality is, some people don’t stop. That’s going to cause more issues. 

You know why people are less likely to real world trade? Because they know the consequences of doing it.

Same goes with Racist or Homo/Transphobic slurs. If people know there is serious punishment at the end of that rainbow, it’s more of a deterrent than we currently have.

[AnakinB]

personally i dont really care just words some other dude are calling me over the internet has no effect on me 

[NotOnlyAce]

5 hours ago, Bala said:

Nope, things are not fine as they are, at all.

You cannot take back saying things or the effect those words might have on people. The cat is already out of the bag at that point.

Maybe someone listens if you ask them in /b to stop and maybe they don’t. The reality is, some people don’t stop. That’s going to cause more issues. 

You know why people are less likely to real world trade? Because they know the consequences of doing it.

Same goes with Racist or Homo/Transphobic slurs. If people know there is serious punishment at the end of that rainbow, it’s more of a deterrent than we currently have.

I absolutely agree with what Bala is saying. Things are definitely not fine as they. Punishment for those who use derogatory slurs is not strong enough and sometimes very bad enforced even. I witnessed reports being denied where players used those slurs to insult someone way beyond IC level. As Dezzy is saying, if people knew at the end of that rainbow is a serious punishment that will be enforced, things would very likely be different. Then some people that would usually use those slurs maybe restrain from using them due to the punishment they may face for that.

You definitely shouldn't use any of derogatory slurs in front players you don't know for long time because you never know what is someone going through in real life. People come here to play a game and feel safe, not to be insulted the same way they do in real world, which might be the reason they spend more time in video games. When people use those words on someone, it can really hurt and the damage is already done. And people who get hurt are not snowflakes, they have a right to be hurt and not to get called out for it. They might have much bigger problems in life than you do, so you might want to restrain calling them that.

Implementing stronger rules and educating the community on these thing would very likely set the things into a better course. 

[Jett_J]

Not to single anyone out but most people replying to this thread saying "they are just words" and "you shouldn't get offended" are exactly the people this thread is directed at.

It's pretty obvious when you down someone then troll them calling them "r*****" "P***y" "n****" before killing them that you aren't really contributing to the RP and just trying to make people emotional which causes the name calling to become a part of the culture. You can RP being a crim, gangster, or anything else without having to using every curse word you could think of. In my opinion there is a huge difference in quality of RP between people who can censor themselves and those who can't.

I already know people would say "well people shouldn't get emotional over IC interactions" but the trolling and derogatory/racist insults pretty obviously go beyond IC especially when it starts being said in /b.

You also don't know the person playing their character so when when you use derogatory words that target a specific group of people it can still affect them OOCly and make them not want to play anymore. In fact, I know someone who left the server because everyday people would call them transphobic slurs.

 

Knowing how to control yourself ICly will make people respect you more both OOCly and ICly.

 

[Ultra3D]

15 minutes ago, Jett_J said:

Not to single anyone out but most people replying to this thread saying "they are just words" and "you shouldn't get offended" are exactly the people this thread is directed at.

It's pretty obvious when you down someone then troll them calling them "r*****" "P***y" "n****" before killing them that you aren't really contributing to the RP and just trying to make people emotional which causes the name calling to become a part of the culture. You can RP being a crim, gangster, or anything else without having to using every curse word you could think of. In my opinion there is a huge difference in quality of RP between people who can censor themselves and those who can't.

I already know people would say "well people shouldn't get emotional over IC interactions" but the trolling and derogatory/racist insults pretty obviously go beyond IC especially when it starts being said in /b.

You also don't know the person playing their character so when when you use derogatory words that target a specific group of people it can still affect them OOCly and make them not want to play anymore. In fact, I know someone who left the server because everyday people would call them transphobic slurs.

 

Knowing how to control yourself ICly will make people respect you more both OOCly and ICly.

 

My guy this topic is about Racist and Gender based slurs. IF you think pussy is bad this is not the game for you my dude. I am one of the people who disagrees with this post but I dont say the N-word or other racist terms. But you got me lost at banning cussing. Take that kind of censorship to minecraft.

Edited October 19, 2021 by Ultra3D

[Jett_J]

6 minutes ago, Ultra3D said:

My guy this topic is about Racist and Gender based slurs. IF you think pussy is bad this is not the game for you my dude. I am one of the people who disagrees with this post but I dont say the N-word or other racist terms. But you got me lost at banning cussing. Take that kind of censorship to minecraft.

Wow the point went wayyy over your head. I never said the word "p****" specifically should be banned but trolling people by calling them every single derogatory word before killing them contributes to a toxic culture within the crim community.

If you feel like the only way you can RP with other people is by cursing them out then maybe you should consider GTA online or something else.

[Ultra3D]

27 minutes ago, Jett_J said:

Wow the point went wayyy over your head. I never said the word "p****" specifically should be banned but trolling people by calling them every single derogatory word before killing them contributes to a toxic culture within the crim community.

If you feel like the only way you can RP with other people is by cursing them out then maybe you should consider GTA online or something else.

Happens in real life. You shit like people you don't like in certain situations and calling someone a bitch/pussy is nothing.

[Jett_J]

Just now, Ultra3D said:

Happens in real life. You shit like people you don't like in certain situations and calling someone a bitch/pussy is nothing.

Well RP isn't exactly real life. 

I'm sure you call people you don't like bitch/pussy every time you see them IRL.  

Still not the point. There is a point when it gets out of hand and is no longer quality RP.

 

[Clank]

On 10/17/2021 at 10:53 AM, Lola said:

+1 I have never used derogatory slurs or even felt the need so I wouldn’t mind the implementation of this rule. I think it’s important to accommodate all types of players to just generally be kind, and that does mean being mindful of what you say when interacting with others. If two people have interacted before and know they are comfortable with its use, then go ahead! If not, there are loads of different ways to have hostile interactions without the use of derogatory slurs.. 

noob

[Ultra3D]

44 minutes ago, Jett_J said:

Well RP isn't exactly real life. 

I'm sure you call people you don't like bitch/pussy every time you see them IRL.  

Still not the point. There is a point when it gets out of hand and is no longer quality RP.

 

its an RP server imitating real life for the most part so I don't see what you said making any since and I have friend groups like many other that when in a party chat its basically a FFA roast session. But at this point you feel your way I feel my way no point in continuing to argue, all I ask is that you should take a quick look into what is said in the single player mode before you try and +1 restrictions for a server.

[mills]

+1 

[Jett_J]

21 minutes ago, Ultra3D said:

its an RP server imitating real life for the most part so I don't see what you said making any since and I have friend groups like many other that when in a party chat its basically a FFA roast session. But at this point you feel your way I feel my way no point in continuing to argue, all I ask is that you should take a quick look into what is said in the single player mode before you try and +1 restrictions for a server.

Your FFA roast sessions have nothing to do with RP. Also you still don't understand the point. No one is saying ban cussing in general. GTA story mode also has nothing to do with RP.

I don't want to spam this thread anymore so I'll leave at that.

[Alllbyyy]

-1

At the end of the day we are playing a 18+ plus game if you can handle the s*x scene in player mode, then you can handle the bad words like fa**ot etc. 

Edited October 19, 2021 by AlbertoPanchino

[Bala]

19 hours ago, AnakinB said:

personally i dont really care just words some other dude are calling me over the internet has no effect on me 

I'm happy that that is the case for you and I hope that continues, but unfortunately, it's not just about whether or not you find these slurs offensive or not. It's about the community, as a whole.

16 hours ago, Jeff Bozo said:

exactly if you really are getting offended over the internet then i think you should find a diffrent place

Are you advocating that if people don't wish to be racially abused or subjected to homophobic/transphobic insults, they should go and play in a different community or even not use the internet at all?

11 hours ago, ClankH said:

noob

I'm sure this is probably a inside joke or some sort of meme, but I'm trying to get a serious point across here. Your post isn't helpful either way.

44 minutes ago, AlbertoPanchino said:

-1

At the end of the day we are playing a 18+ plus game if you can handle the s*x scene in player mode, then you can handle the bad words like fa**ot etc. 

Couple things here Albert. One, we're playing a 18 rated game with a bunch of teenagers and Two, if you it's an 18+ rated game, then we're all supposed to conduct ourselves like adults right? As in, be able to be responsible for our choices and what we say.

Couple things regarding your sex scene comment. They're both almost fully clothed during the "sex scene", it's not hentai. Second thing is, how does sex scenes in general equate to racist and homophobic language? It's like comparing an apple to a television. 

At the end of the day, we're playing an 18+ game, so you can control what you say to other people or at least be held accountable for it. 

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I'm seeing some really ignorant opinions on this. Just because it doesn't personally effect you, doesn't mean that it's right. By all means, disagree with restricting the use of these slurs but the "its the internet" point of view doesn't really wash in 2021.

[Clank]

6 hours ago, Bala said:

At the end of the day, we're playing an 18+ game, so you can control what you say to other people or at least be held accountable for it. 

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I'm seeing some really ignorant opinions on this. Just because it doesn't personally effect you, doesn't mean that it's right. By all means, disagree with restricting the use of these slurs but the "its the internet" point of view doesn't really wash in 2021.

 

Yes, we are playing an 18+ game. Regardless of what age is playing the video game designed to be 18+, It is their responsibility to accept that. It is not up to the majority to provide a safe environment for people that are overly sensitive to comments or behaviors. So yes, hold people accountable. Hold them accountable for their OOC behavior not their IC behavior. 

I find a lot of things people do or say to be ignorant. The thing is, it is their choice to act like that and their choice to behave the way they do. Maybe they were not raised correctly, maybe they have some internal struggles going on. Regardless, at the end of the day. Its the internet as you said, the timeline is irrelevant, whether its 2021 or 2008. Its still a cesspool of races, gender, people, backgrounds.

I by no means consider myself sensitive or soft. Yet sometimes I'll stumble upon things that I find disgusting or offensive. If I'm exploring the internet and I see something that I dislike or disgusting then I click out. Simple as that. If people cant distinguish the fact they're playing a video game then we have issues. It's the same type of people that cannot distinguish someones IC character v. Their OOC character. (Which is another huge issue on its own).

 

Growing up playing xbox live throughout my youth and playing these same 18+ mature rated games. My parents were aware of what they were signing me up for when it came to buying me these games. I did too and honestly, words don't even affect me at this point.

We tailor things to the people with no backbone or spine, we tailor things to people that are soft and can't hold their own. Nobody is responsible for making someone else feel "comfortable". Yes we're a gaming community and yes we have OOC regulations on OOC behavior. Sure, rules are rules. 

If we're talking about /characters/ that people are playing. Yes CHARACTERS. Let them act like a dickhead if they want to ICly, they will suffer the IC repercussions that come with it. 

 

[AtlasOLimbo]

9 minutes ago, ClankH said:

 

Yes, we are playing an 18+ game. Regardless of what age is playing the video game designed to be 18+, It is their responsibility to accept that. It is not up to the majority to provide a safe environment for people that are overly sensitive to comments or behaviors. So yes, hold people accountable. Hold them accountable for their OOC behavior not their IC behavior. 

I find a lot of things people do or say to be ignorant. The thing is, it is their choice to act like that and their choice to behave the way they do. Maybe they were not raised correctly, maybe they have some internal struggles going on. Regardless, at the end of the day. Its the internet as you said, the timeline is irrelevant, whether its 2021 or 2008. Its still a cesspool of races, gender, people, backgrounds.

I by no means consider myself sensitive or soft. Yet sometimes I'll stumble upon things that I find disgusting or offensive. If I'm exploring the internet and I see something that I dislike or disgusting then I click out. Simple as that. If people cant distinguish the fact they're playing a video game then we have issues. It's the same type of people that cannot distinguish someones IC character v. Their OOC character. (Which is another huge issue on its own).

 

Growing up playing xbox live throughout my youth and playing these same 18+ mature rated games. My parents were aware of what they were signing me up for when it came to buying me these games. I did too and honestly, words don't even affect me at this point.

We tailor things to the people with no backbone or spine, we tailor things to people that are soft and can't hold their own. Nobody is responsible for making someone else feel "comfortable". Yes we're a gaming community and yes we have OOC regulations on OOC behavior. Sure, rules are rules. 

If we're talking about /characters/ that people are playing. Yes CHARACTERS. Let them act like a dickhead if they want to ICly, they will suffer the IC repercussions that come with it. 

 

This entire post is extremely confusing and flip floppy. Most of this forum discusses how screaming slurs at randoms in public places isn't realistic what so ever and is someone's "OOC behavior". I hate the "waah snowflakes" argument, just because we let everyone scream slurs at eachother in Xbox Live doesn't mean we have to here.

[Clank]

3 minutes ago, AtlasOLimbo said:

This entire post is extremely confusing and flip floppy. Most of this forum discusses how screaming slurs at randoms in public places isn't realistic what so ever and is someone's "OOC behavior". I hate the "waah snowflakes" argument, just because we let everyone scream slurs at eachother in Xbox Live doesn't mean we have to here.

 

Why not? We're trying to emulate realism to an extent? I can go out and scream slurs. You know what will happen? Someone's gonna g-check my ass and punch me in the mouth.

 

If someones screaming slurs in game in public, Someone can walk up and handle their shit ICly. 

 

Separate IC and OOC. 

[AtlasOLimbo]

2 minutes ago, ClankH said:

 

Why not? We're trying to emulate realism to an extent? I can go out and scream slurs. You know what will happen? Someone's gonna g-check my ass and punch me in the mouth.

 

If someones screaming slurs in game in public, Someone can walk up and handle their shit ICly. 

 

Separate IC and OOC. 

With current DM rules, someone screaming slurs isn't enough to sock them in the mouth as far as I can tell.