Current State of Eclipse

[Guest]

>"hands hands hands on your knees!"
>/me attempts to pat down /do s?

>*TYPING*...
>"STOP STALLING BRO WTF C U ON FORUMS"

There's so many players on this server but just a handful of cops especially when the american fellas are sleeping there's legit just 1 or 2 cops online that can help vs. so many robbers. People can rob you almost anywhere, from public places such as fuel stations or highways to wherever else. It doesn't make any sense.

What is even more funny is that the aim of Eclipse is heavy RP but most people couldn't care less about that. It's just about items/money. People legit would risk jail time just to steal someone's radio/gps/bag or whatever because they know there's almost no chance of getting caught. 0 realism. And if they don't get any items they'll at least take your phone battery or cut your hair to atleast do SOME damage & make your experience more cancerous lol.

Same with house robberies. As long as you're not in a big gang you can't enter your homes without being scared that someone's going to sneak on you & then empty your entire house. At this point it's safer to store all your items in a Mule in the parking lot than bringing things into your home lol.

I don't get why there's no regulations to robberies. You want more RP? Well then do something about robbing. Inb4 all the gang bois coming at me "stop crying git gud", yee try without your gang & heavy armory bruh.

I'd love to RP while doing tasks like hunting or mining, but I can't. Why would I risk losing all the money I make through those tasks by doing long RP? Like, if I knew noone can rob me or the risk is low, I'd gladly RP basic things to make it more fun, but I can't. Instead I'm being forced to rush everything to minimize the risk of getting robbed.

Just my 2 cents.

 

Edited December 24, 2019 by sophy16

[Bala]

Someone has to be the victim.

[MohammedAli]

I have taken this post as a direct attack on the competency of the Police/Sheriff Department. 

*Wipes Tears*

[dawpi]

I, personally, do not see what is wrong with the server at the moment. I do believe that the community to some extent are flawed and I do not mean it in the mean or insulting way, I am going through different options here to discuss the point that you brought up.
To begin with, the crime has increased drastically and you cannot deny it. Even a New Player will rob someone with a gun that they were given by someone, somehow - but that's more of an In-Character (IC) issue I believe since we choose how to develop our characters. Some people start their game as a criminal and then create another character to look at the game through a different lens and that's perfectly fine, since this is what the community wants. I have never had an issue with someone robbing me and the only reason is because I do understand it OOCly that it's what the person's character is, that's how he builds his criminal record and I'll try my best to give him the most difficult role-play possible, for example, I would try and evade from the situation without a rule-break, just giving a role-play situation that the person might get lost in which would result in me winning it, or, leading them into a trap such as an area where CCTV cameras are placed by the players or general stores, you come up with some things once you get a hang of the server.

I understand the fact that you say, it is difficult to role-play and it is when you do it correctly. The word correctly is the right word in my opinion. You and a lot of other players receive very poor role-play quality which I am against at any cost and I attempt my best to assist players in different ways while in-game to improve their role-play, even though it comes with time. It is very annoying, when for example I arrest someone and they just "/me pulls a knife out of his ass" and stabs you three times to death. Of course, that's a rule-breach, but at the same time it's frustrating as a person since you expect the community to keep the high role-play standards, however, everyone is different. Everyone does everything their own way.

[SamuelGunn]

Most people don't even understand what role play is. It's snowing outside, lets get my drag bike out boys. :))) Just because game mechanics lets you to do one thing doesn't mean it's RP thing to do.

People are here not for fun as everyone knows, lets not pretend that's aint true. The problem with this server is that people don't try to understand how people actually think and play like that, everyone is playing as a hero without any fear of death or consequences. I have seen many times where police actually don't even give a shit that they have a gun on them or someone has a hostage and so on. It's not only gangs it's actually everyone, but it's really sad to see when admins promote really poor roleplay when they should be the ones who shows good rp.

Edited December 24, 2019 by SamuelGunn

[MrSilky]

I totally understand where you are coming from here. I also find it extremely strange and unrealistic RP to roll up to someone on an RPly populated street in broad daylight and scream hands at then to swipe their GPS. It's something I completely forgot about when the rule-book was being revamped and updated. There needs to be some rules pertaining to the realism of a robbery to prevent these situations from occurring and steer the ship towards higher RP standards.

[Guest]

  

16 minutes ago, SamuelGunn said:

Most people don't even understand what role play is. It's snowing outside, lets get my drag bike out boys. :))) Just because game mechanics lets you to do one thing doesn't mean it's RP thing to do.

The problem with this server is that people don't try to understand how people actually think and play like that, everyone is playing as a hero without any fear of death or consequences. I have seen many times where police actually don't even give a shit that they have a gun on them or someone has a hostage and so on. It's not only gangs it's actually everyone, but it's really sad to see when admins promote really poor roleplay when they should be the ones who shows good rp.

Exactly. It's just confusing because i hear from the staff all the time that they want to see high quality roleplay, but there's no rules to make that  happen.

Edited December 24, 2019 by sophy16

[Ernestas_Franchez]

Yep you are right, robbing everyone you see isn't a roleplay at all lol

[Qiang]

I know what are you saying but jobs like mining hunting or fishing or ... just for the new players or for people don't have enough experience in the server. playing RP is not just making money getting richer and richer getting Robbed is normal. if you looking for RP experience it is a lot Legal job like MD or PD or criminal faction 
like I said before playing RP is not making mining mining mining  log out login again hunting mining 
if you( can be anyone reading this ) have 100k exp and you don't even have a faction or family and you just playing to make money you are not here for RP
 

 

[aXoL]

The server is just ruleplay and trying to win these days. 

Let's get official so we can sell guns and make more money. 

Please promote me on my legal faction so I can afk more and grind 24/7 so I can buy a neon. 

Let's check the labs and rob everyone cuz we gangsta

Let's kill them even if they have hostage pointing a gun at cuz we are well trained marines. 

Let's camp at mining place so we can make money without any trouble. 

Rp? Oh man I wrote 7 lines of /me and /do I'm god rp dawg

Beautiful. Everytime I log in I can't find anyone to rp with, people who are in powerful gangs don't even talk to you and avoid rp except robbing. Cops always trying to win over any situation and put the most stupid charges on people without caring about the experience that the guy is having. 

After playing almost one year I know that people are just grinding so I don't really care, I Did my best to change as much as I could but seems it's so epidemic. 

[Amaim]

I agree with you, there must be some rule about robbing, robbing someone in an RPly populated street in the middle of the city is nonsense and should be considered nonrp.

[aXoL]

1 minute ago, Bagr39 said:

what? 

:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

What what dude. Current state of eclipse, I mentioned more subjects than just robberies. The problem with the rp on the past few months

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Bagr39 said:

hmmm

 

14 minutes ago, Bagr39 said:

what? 

:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Nice contribution.

  

16 minutes ago, aXoL said:

The server is just ruleplay and trying to win these days. 

Let's get official so we can sell guns and make more money. 

Please promote me on my legal faction so I can afk more and grind 24/7 so I can buy a neon. 

Let's check the labs and rob everyone cuz we gangsta

Let's kill them even if they have hostage pointing a gun at cuz we are well trained marines. 

Let's camp at mining place so we can make money without any trouble. 

Rp? Oh man I wrote 7 lines of /me and /do I'm god rp dawg

Beautiful. Everytime I log in I can't find anyone to rp with, people who are in powerful gangs don't even talk to you and avoid rp except robbing. Cops always trying to win over any situation and put the most stupid charges on people without caring about the experience that the guy is having. 

After playing almost one year I know that people are just grinding so I don't really care, I Did my best to change as much as I could but seems it's so epidemic. 

Agreed.

Edited December 24, 2019 by sophy16

[Skippy]

So violence and gangs aren’t realistic???? I’m not understanding your point, it’s called survival of the fittest. Improvise, adapt, overcome. Go check the crime rates in some places and then tell me that gang violence isn’t realistic. 
 

Edited December 24, 2019 by HDKSamurai

[SamuelGunn]

12 minutes ago, HDKSamurai said:

So violence and gangs aren’t realistic???? I’m not understanding your point, it’s called survival of the fittest. Improvise, adapt, overcome. Go check the crime rates in some places and then tell me that gang violence isn’t realistic. 
 

The problem with robberies that there's like 30% gang members online all the time of the server. So lets say there's 200 people online there will be atleast 60 gangmembers online, then we have police, doc and so on that stands by their job places and doesn't really get robbed. So lets say there's 100 people left, there will be criminals that they're not in the gangs as well, so lets say from massive city r80 people are getting constantly robbed since there's noone else to rob, do you see the problem? IRL gangs rob people but when there's millions of people in one city chances are you will never even gonna be bothered, but since there's 80 civs they're getting hunted...

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, HDKSamurai said:

So violence and gangs aren’t realistic???? I’m not understanding your point, it’s called survival of the fittest. Improvise, adapt, overcome. Go check the crime rates in some places and then tell me that gang violence isn’t realistic. 
 

Ofcourse someone from a official criminal faction doesn't see this as a problem, lol.

Edited December 24, 2019 by sophy16

[Bala]

I think something that has not been brought up is that street robberies like this probably wouldn't happen if Criminals had more to do than they currently have.

Criminals haven't had a juicy update in ages and are long overdue one.

If you are relying on people to branch out and find their own roleplay, then of course stuff like this is going to happen. 

Yes okay, in roleplay, the streets would be full of civilians but it's a 250 person server. If no player sees you, you got away with it more or less. 

Street robberies suck for the person getting robbed but like i said, someone has to be the victim. There is a real problem with not just this server or roleplay servers, but society in general. People can't seem to handle taking a loss.

The strong prey on the week, that happens in the streets, that happens in nature. If we were to wrap players in cotton wool and put more restrictions on how criminals can interact with them, what is there left for criminals to do really?

You don't want to get robbed?

• You can do one of a few things. Get something to try and protect yourself.
• Join one of these groups.
• Join either PD/SD to try and stop this happening IC.
• Don't get careless thinking because no one is around you that you are safe.

[BabaYagaBruh]

I agree with a lot of this. Gangs are super powerful. Fair enough, but PD cannot or won't challenge it. If you have such powerful gangs in a city, the police should at least make it more difficult for them.

There are some things I can't understand; Known criminal gangs and leaders own businesses? Would never fly in a realistic setting. When houses was released, people camped the furniture shop but PD wouldn't station a unit there, probably because it wasn't fun enough. Same with known legal robbery sites like the foundry or butcher. Seldom units stationed there, but you'll see 8 cops in a car chase for an expired speeding ticket. I'll say this, it isn't all cops of course. I've encountered cops who would stay and wait to make sure legal workers can be safe, but not often enough imo. 

I respect it's almost impossible to balance robbery rates with legal jobs, but it would be so nice if it would be a viable rp route for people who doesn't want to just do GTA online gameplay with gangs. But you can't really legislate for petty criminals who try to rob low value targets. I think a lot would be done if PD prioritized a bit different. Most proper gangs don't fuck with legal workers, and the only way I can imagine stopping the small timers is better PD presence around the job sites, as it makes sense RP that cops would react to those crime levels. Anyway, I appreciate the staff team's efforts and realize it isn't easy to balance it all. 

[Skippy]

13 minutes ago, sophy16 said:

Ofcourse someone from a official criminal faction doesn't see this as a problem, lol.

dear lord someone educate this dude. That just means that we have good RP, not that all we do is rob people. If it’s such a problem please feel free to offer a solution instead of just complaining all over the entire thread

have a nice time on the sever

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, HDKSamurai said:

dear lord someone educate this dude. That just means that we have good RP, not that all we do is rob people. If it’s such a problem please feel free to offer a solution instead of just complaining all over the entire thread

have a nice time on the sever

No need to feel hurt boi. You're not a good RPer just because you do the same robbery RP over & over.

[vuki]

1 minute ago, sophy16 said:

No need to feel hurt boi. You're not a good RPer just because you do the same robbery RP over & over.

Stop rp shaming 

[4en0]

Whole server is on some mad max shit.

[aXoL]

34 minutes ago, GOAT said:

I think something that has not been brought up is that street robberies like this probably wouldn't happen if Criminals had more to do than they currently have.

Criminals haven't had a juicy update in ages and are long overdue one.

If you are relying on people to branch out and find their own roleplay, then of course stuff like this is going to happen. 

Yes okay, in roleplay, the streets would be full of civilians but it's a 250 person server. If no player sees you, you got away with it more or less. 

Street robberies suck for the person getting robbed but like i said, someone has to be the victim. There is a real problem with not just this server or roleplay servers, but society in general. People can't seem to handle taking a loss.

The strong prey on the week, that happens in the streets, that happens in nature. If we were to wrap players in cotton wool and put more restrictions on how criminals can interact with them, what is there left for criminals to do really?

You don't want to get robbed?

• You can do one of a few things. Get something to try and protect yourself.
• Join one of these groups.
• Join either PD/SD to try and stop this happening IC.
• Don't get careless thinking because no one is around you that you are safe.

The problem is not getting robbed. The problem is that when ever someone is approaching you, you already know that you are getting robbed. Unfortunately the rules don't clarify these kind of spam robberies as non rp and experienced players who are gang leaders or group leaders don't lead their friends towards a higher level of rp. 

No idea how to fix it honestly. I know so many people (most of the players that I have rolled with) who only buy a gun and start frisking who ever they see. Rules don't stop them, community doesn't stop them because it's so epidemic. 

Just check the gang threads, you will 90% just see screen shots from dead people no matter what gang. No big rp and no motivation for it, just robbing and robbing and robbing. Cops can do nothing about it and they are already too many, you can't defend yourself when someone starts shouting demands(which you should not do due to fearrp). 

This problem is killing the server and I sometimes see other players from other servers who complain about this situation in eclipse too. 

[Bala]

It is cops and robbers though. Officially people might say different but from a practical standpoint, it's cops and robbers.

[Guest]

It's not only about robbing & stuff. it's about the fear of losing stuff killing any RP opportunity as I said in my opening post. Why would someone risk their items/money just for the sake of some attempts to pat them down "roleplay"? It's not in the interest of those people to provide a fun gaming experience, they just aim for your belongings.

Edited December 24, 2019 by sophy16