Remedies against K9s / random pull outs for seemingly no reason.

[Mortem]

I believe that there should be a way to avoid being detected by Sniffer Dogs. This post has been brought on because unfortunately I am repeatedly being pulled over for extremely small violations, thinking that I'm good and that I should just be getting a ticket, only to be greeted by many many cruisers, helicopters and things that make evading otherwise nigh impossible. 

When the officers come to my vehicle, and I have 200k worth of shit in there that I have grinded hours for, and they decide that they want to pull me out and sniffer dog my vehicle for reasons that I'm yet to understand, I have zero possibility of doing anything about it. I just heard today that they have added a ./dice requirement for the dog to maybe not sniff things.

To quote: 

"Reimagined K-9 roleplay to allow for a fair chance that the K-9's "sniff" is unsuccessful. Essentially a 50/50 /dice if the sniff would be successful or not. Tightened regulations for K-9 use and added further restrictions for fairness. "

NOT ONCE SINCE I'VE COME BACK HAVE I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DICE! NOT ONCE! I did not know about this rule, and it should NOT be MY responsibility to enforce this rule, it should be the officer on the scene! 

Anyways, I think that even the ./dice implementation is simply too unreliable, I don't think it's fair that I can lose hours worth of grind because a PD officer wants to K9 me for no reason, and I lose because I'm out of luck. I think that there should be an item/script added into the server to make it possible for Crims to hide the smell of guns/drugs in their trunk/glovebox. For example, some kind of smell-proof container or smell-proof hidden compartment in the vehicle that criminals can import/buy.

Secondly, I think that pulling people out of a vehicle for no reason and searching their car for no reason should be considered NonRP, and should not be handled ICly because the consequences of IC reports on officers are simply minimal. 

My reasons for this are thus: 

- If I am DM'ed by another criminal, and I lose everything in my vehicle, I still lose LESS then being pulled out of a vehicle and searched by an officer for no reason.  

- This is because I am getting jail/fines + losing all my stuff. 

- What is the difference between me being robbed by another criminal for no reason in broad daylight at parking, and being stopped at parking for a traffic violation and being pulled out of my vehicle for a "search" for no reason? 

- It is simply NOT FUN at all to be pulled over, and pulled out for NO REASON and losing minimum 70k worth of stuff on a daily basis just because the officer feels like searching my car.  There is no roleplay involved, and no counter-measures because 90% of the time there is no reason for being pulled out.

- 99% of the time the WHOLE REASON that I'm being told to leave the vehicle is to K9 me, how is that fair! What roleplay does that create for me! 

I simply think that because of the huge losses incurred, there should be some OOC remedies. 

TL:DR

- Create a way for criminals to avoid K9 sniffer dogs smelling their weapons/drugs.
- Create some OOC remedies for officers removing people from vehicles and searching their cars for no/very small reasons.

I know that there will be some people who agree with the first suggestion, and not the second, or vice versa. I ask that you don't allow the two ideas to come as a package and treat them separately. Thank you. 

Edited January 5 by Mortem
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[HobGoblin]

9 minutes ago, Mortem said:

NOT ONCE SINCE I'VE COME BACK HAVE I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DICE! NOT ONCE! I did not know about this rule, and it should NOT be MY responsibility to enforce this rule, it should be the officer on the scene! 

Out of curiosity how many times have you been searched by a K9 since this rule was added? Would give more context on how many times /dice was missed. 

[Mortem]

Not too many times, but I am 100% sure that 0% of the times it was diced. Also, Mr HobGoblin, I want to make it very clear that this post has been made with the intention to better the server (from my perspective, so who knows whether that is what's best for the server or not) and is not intended to harbor any hatred / accusations towards any police officers. 

As for being pulled out for seemingly no reason, well, lots of times. 

Edited January 5 by Mortem

[sakkama]

well said, ai reports wont give crims their items back if pd is constantly pulling people out of their vehicles and searching them for literally no reason.
i think an ooc rule is needed to prevent this, as ramiz said whats the difference between a nonrp robbery and a police officer pulling someone out of their car without a reason ? in fact its even worse since hes loosing items+jail/fines.
officers supposed to have sufficient reason to pull someone out such as being seen in a shootout, seen with a weapon etc but thats not how it works tbh.
lets also not forget that we’re all here to have fun on both sides, not just to focus purely on realism.

[Demonmit1]

just because a reason isnt immediately explained in detail right there for you during an arrest doesnt mean a reason just doesnt exist.

You're playing a gang banger character that exists in a world that doesnt reset the moment you log off for the day. Your actions, choices, and friends define your experience you will have on that character. joining one of the most violent factions on the server at the moment opens you up to a higher level of scrutiny from detective players. you personally have over 100 charges of JUST firearms possession. If you keep doing the same thing over and over again, and expect a different result... thats the definition of insanity.

Whether you like it or not, being a part of a crim faction/organized crime puts you into long term RP with detectives who's goal as a character is to catch you. But, most players have ZERO interest in any type of long term RP, so they just ignore that it happens and then complain about the repercussions of ignoring it, and are upset there are consequences for their actions from the day prior.

You actually have a very good way to get nearly EXACTLY why you were stopped, pulled out, and arrested explained in great detail to you. Plead not guilty and file a court case with JB. but, as we've seen, no one cares about long term RP, and would rather complain OOCly and make OOC rules to protect low RP standards of criminal gameplay, than become involved in and interact with the high standards that Law enforcement is held to.

[alexalex303]

The consequences for officers breaking in-character rules are not inconsequential, they are 1000x stronger than whatever consequences criminals with VIP have on this server. The maximum prison sentence is 99 minutes with Royal VIP. An officer that is found to have done the things you are talking about can be suspended for DAYS at a time. When is the last time you went to DOC for days? 

Punishments for criminal characters have gotten so lax that you can evade and be at impound lot requesting your vehicle back before the cop is done with the paperwork for your arrest and vehicle impound. Don't for one second pretend that criminals have any serious repercussions for being arrested. 

The fact that you started an entire suggestion thread based off a single interaction in which the officer, who is a player on the server just like you, stated that they forgot a new rule that was implemented during the holiday season is honestly quite silly and not what the server suggestion is for; its meant to be for suggestions that address issues on the server, not settle your personal issues.

I believe you should take a few days break from the server because the way you are interacting with it is not healthy for yourself or others. 

Edited January 5 by alexalex303

[Mortem]

I believe you have misinterpreted this post, I have not done this because of the actions of any single player, I have not mentioned the names of any single player and the last thing I would want is to single any player out. 

I don't understand how me making a suggestion is "not healthy for yourself or others". I do value your opinion, but you have provided no opinion towards the actual suggestions in the TL:DR. 

I can promise that this is not my personal issue, and is an issue that has been brought up by many players on the server- not just me.  You are 100% entitled to disagree with my opinion, but claiming that my suggestions are "unhealthy" for the server is a close-minded approach, I would never say that your suggestions are unhealthy for the server because I believe this server has been bettered through the years through suggestions from all types of players, whether they are right or wrong, discussing it is important. Not just brushing it off as "unhealthy". 

With that being said, I ask you once again, what do you think about adding remedies to K9 sniffer dogs such as smell-proof containers, do you think that is a good idea, and if not, why?

You claim there is little to no loss for criminals, what difference is there between losing your items from a NonRP Robbery and a NonRP / Random pull out from your vehicle by a LEO? 



 

[Demonmit1]

The remedy to not being K9 searched is to:

1. stop driving around with 200k worth of kit all the time?
2. if you are driving around with 200k worth of kit, why are you risking getting pulled over by breaking traffic laws?
3. play smarter so you stop getting caught and no longer fit the requirements to K9 you?

Making OOC rule changes to protect criminals lack of RP and standards is not the way to fix this. the fix is entirely dependent on criminal players not being dumb by getting caught doing dumb stuff all the time, but that seems to not be a goal of most criminal players, suggestions like this make it seem like you and others have no interest in any actual risk to being a criminal.

[Smoke1]

"The maximum prison sentence is 99 minutes with Royal VIP." As respectfully as possible we shouldn't expect people to rely on VIP some people can't afford it. 

At least there's a bit of role play with dicing It's 50-50

[Mortem]

49 minutes ago, Demonmit1 said:

The remedy to not being K9 searched is to:

1. stop driving around with 200k worth of kit all the time?
2. if you are driving around with 200k worth of kit, why are you risking getting pulled over by breaking traffic laws?
3. play smarter so you stop getting caught and no longer fit the requirements to K9 you?

Making OOC rule changes to protect criminals lack of RP and standards is not the way to fix this. the fix is entirely dependent on criminal players not being dumb by getting caught doing dumb stuff all the time, but that seems to not be a goal of most criminal players, suggestions like this make it seem like you and others have no interest in any actual risk to being a criminal.

I'd like to re-iterate that the point of OOC remedies would be for criminals being pulled out of the vehicle for seemingly no reason. Not for doing "dumb stuff". I'm talking about being pulled over and told to exit your bike and searched for an improper U-turn or something like that, which makes no sense and shouldn't happen, but is difficult to enforce at the moment. 

[Smoke1]

nah i toatlly understand and i think this is a healthy conversation to have!

[sakkama]

1 hour ago, Demonmit1 said:

Making OOC rule changes to protect criminals lack of RP and standards is not the way to fix this. the fix is entirely dependent on criminal players not being dumb by getting caught doing dumb stuff all the time, but that seems to not be a goal of most criminal players, suggestions like this make it seem like you and others have no interest in any actual risk to being a criminal.

we're not talkin about the entire pd and this isnt about pd vs crims, we know that you guys tryin to make things as fair as possible but there are times when you havent even exceeded the 80 speed limit and pd still decides to step you out of the vehicle and search you.
lets say we have 100 officers 95 of them are doing their job properly but theres 5 who doesnt care and does whatever they want, will the ia report give us back our items ? simply no.
thats why this suggestion was made, if you're not breaking the rule and you have a valid reason to frisk someone there shouldnt be any reason to worry about.

 

4 hours ago, alexalex303 said:

The maximum prison sentence is 99 minutes with Royal VIP

vip is something you can only get with creds which means real money so it shouldnt be used for comparison, we should only compare it to the regular prison time you get without any vip benefits.
 

Edited January 5 by sakkama

[Demonmit1]

36 minutes ago, Mortem said:

I'd like to re-iterate that the point of OOC remedies would be for criminals being pulled out of the vehicle for seemingly no reason. Not for doing "dumb stuff". I'm talking about being pulled over and told to exit your bike and searched for an improper U-turn or something like that, which makes no sense and shouldn't happen, but is difficult to enforce at the moment. 

You actually have a very good way to get nearly EXACTLY why you were stopped, pulled out, and arrested explained in great detail to you. Plead not guilty and file a court case with JB. 

Detectives are not going to spill our whole case file against you right then and there to justify our actions to you. if be genuinely believe there to be no reason, contest the charge. You'll find out the reason or get let off cause there was no reason.

You literally CANT be pulled out for no reason. Laws exist in the server, and law enforcement is expected to follow those laws. if they broke the law to arrest you, that arrest is null and void, and that officer is punished internally within the faction. if its egregious enough, you can be kicked from the faction. 

The disconnect here is you want a fast OOC fix to something you disagree with, and get your items spawned back in for you, and go back to grinding money for more gear to fight people. Thats not how things currently or are going to work in the server.

Edited January 5 by Demonmit1

[Demonmit1]

10 minutes ago, sakkama said:

lets say we have 100 officers 95 of them are doing their job properly but theres 5 who doesnt care and does whatever they want, will the ai report give us back our items ? simply no.
thats why this suggestion was made, if you're not breaking the rule and you have a valid reason to frisk someone there shouldnt be any reason to worry about.

OOC corruption exists. a very small amount of officers do play with OOC corruption permissions. Being OOCly corrupt without permission is against faction rules and can VERY quickly get you kicked from the faction and unable to join any government faction again, ever. If you feel that someone is being corrupt, breaking the law, file an IC IA report and contest the charge. if you're frustrated with just the general interaction and RP, make an OOC IA / Roleplay feedback report. Leadership in SD/PD do take that stuff seriously, and will go after people abusing their powers. But you need to report it, through IC means or OOC means if you have an issue. complaining about it on the forums and asking for OOC server rules to allow criminals to avoid RP is not the solution.

[BillyB]

I think you're missing the fact that this is a roleplay server, you shouldn't always win situations and I think the tone used in your initial post is that of somebody who is frustrated with losing roleplay scenarios. My immediate thought was "why isn't he using the knowledge they are using K9s and sealing illegal items in airtight containers or vac-sealing RPly?". Just because there isn't a physical in-game item for something, doesn't mean they don't exist in the world. 

Additionally, as a criminal, it's your responsibility to improvise, adapt and overcome these measures. Think smart, don't just work harder to grind for more illegal stuff. Switch up your transport methods, even just cars that aren't registered to you... there's so many different ways to avoid being in these situations which ultimately are a result of your choice to be the leader of a criminal faction.

[Eliza]

I think the best solution would be for an actual K-9 script that can detect whatever the dog is trained for, and will take factors into play like stuff in the trunk or where the car has been.

2 hours ago, Demonmit1 said:

You actually have a very good way to get nearly EXACTLY why you were stopped, pulled out, and arrested explained in great detail to you. Plead not guilty and file a court case with JB. 

This is a viable solution if you don’t mind waiting 11 real life months for it to make it to the motion of discovery. By the time the case gets concluded whatever charges you had won’t be held against you for getting a job.

[sakkama]

1 hour ago, BillyB said:

I think you're missing the fact that this is a roleplay server, you shouldn't always win situations and I think the tone used in your initial post is that of somebody who is frustrated with losing roleplay scenarios. My immediate thought was "why isn't he using the knowledge they are using K9s and sealing illegal items in airtight containers or vac-sealing RPly?". Just because there isn't a physical in-game item for something, doesn't mean they don't exist in the world. 

Additionally, as a criminal, it's your responsibility to improvise, adapt and overcome these measures. Think smart, don't just work harder to grind for more illegal stuff. Switch up your transport methods, even just cars that aren't registered to you... there's so many different ways to avoid being in these situations which ultimately are a result of your choice to be the leader of a criminal faction.

roleplay doesnt mean real life, it means acting as a character, in real life you dont respawn and you dont fight gangs in labs everyday etc... stop comparing it to irl just to bypass the suggestion.
if you get pulled over, forced out of ur vehicle and frisked by 10 pd cars and a heli above u for no reason thats literally 100% a loss for you, i dont know how you sayin you shouldnt always win when in that situation theres 0% chance to win.
if we copy paste real life exactly into the game it would be unfair to some sides, thats why we make suggestions, we're saying there must be a reason for frisking someone, we're not saying the risk should be removed for crims or that pd should be npcs without having any rp.
but ye @Demonmit1 explained it more clearly which makes sense to me tbf also @Eliza's suggestion about the K9 script is amazing its something new and it opens up a lot of new rp opportunities.

[HobGoblin]

I’ve seen K9 used once since the dice rule was added. I think the dice balances K9 enough and there is no need for more. 

[Requiem]

Firstly, just like was explained above that officers are required to have a reason to search you, they can't just pull you over and search you for no reason at all, K9 operates similarly. K9 handler's are required to have proper reasonable suspicion that you committed, or are committing, some kind of crime and are likely to be in possession of illegal items to be allowed to sniff you or your vehicle. They cannot do it simply because you are in a gang or just because they feel like it. Secondly, as has already been stated above as well, K9 are required to use /dice for a 50% chance of success of even finding anything if they do proceed with sniffing your vehicle for illegal items. If a script were to be developed for K9 sniffing, it would likely be put together in a similar manner where depending on the items you have, the dog would have a certain chance of success of finding it, so you shouldn't expect the development of a K9 script to suddenly change things. We put this temporary corrective procedure in place to provide more fairness for all players with their interactions with K9 and attempted to mimic what we would likely get with a proper script to the best of our ability. 

If you claim that people are not properly using the dice methods that are put in place until a proper script can be developed, its nearly impossible for law enforcement faction leadership to enforce these issues if they never get reported. If you find someone is using K9 against you for no reason, or pulling you out and searching you for no reason, or if they are not fairly/properly using the /dice method they are supposed to be using, then it needs to be reported to PD/SD to look into, otherwise nothing will change if there is a player abusing things. Making arbitrary complaints with no evidence to back it up won't help or change anything.

Last thing I will mention is that there is going to be risk involved in the things you do as a criminal. You shouldn't be bringing $200k worth of illegal items with you in your vehicle then driving 200 km/hr through the city and get upset when police pull you over for it. Find alternative ways to conduct illegal activities in a smarter fashion to avoid police interaction. Use decoy vehicles, distractions, drive different/better routes where there are less likely to be police, move your contraband in smaller amounts to lower the risk if you are caught, and the list goes on.

Where ever possible, we should be finding IC solutions to these kinds of issues rather than trying to impose more OOC rules on the player base as a lazy way out. 

[alexalex303]

On 1/5/2026 at 9:55 PM, sakkama said:

vip is something you can only get with creds which means real money so it shouldnt be used for comparison, we should only compare it to the regular prison time you get without any vip benefits.

On 1/5/2026 at 8:51 PM, Smoke1 said:

"The maximum prison sentence is 99 minutes with Royal VIP." As respectfully as possible we shouldn't expect people to rely on VIP some people can't afford it. 

I believe it's fair to mention because a criminal roleplayer in 2025 is CODDLED compared to a criminal roleplayer in 2019, which many people still consider peak of criminal RP on ECRP. Several people were sent to DOC for 19 hour sentences, that they had to carry out. Now you get an 80% reduction from VIP, you get a reduction from pleading guilty, you get a reduction from stamps, you get a reduction from paying your tickets and in the end you serve less than two hours MAX; you can even do your entire sentence offline, with only the last hour being online. Do you understand how big of a difference there is between 19 hours to 1 hour? Even without VIP it's something like 3 if you can pay your fines, 2 of which you can do offline.

Licenses used to be suspended for three days, so people ended up in cycles where they'd get their license suspended, drive with a suspended license, and have the suspension renewed for another three days, some people lived for weeks with their licenses suspended.

At the same time, the fastest vehicle available to criminal roleplayers was a comet retro which had super car rarity and couldn't just be bought instantly with credits like all of the hardstuck 240 cars we have now in the credit store. The average member of a criminal organization ignores any IC repercussions by holding W as soon as he sees a cop and he'll be out of render distance 100x times over by the time backup arrives.

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The current criminal experience is akin to a streamer server where there are no real consequences for anything, and the one time a little bit of friction and potential to lose happens, it's an issue? I find this whole thread to be baffling and disconnected from reality.

Edited January 6 by alexalex303

[Mortem]

16 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

I believe it's fair to mention because a criminal roleplayer in 2025 is CODDLED compared to a criminal roleplayer in 2019, which many people still consider peak of criminal RP on ECRP. Several people were sent to DOC for 19 hour sentences, that they had to carry out. Now you get an 80% reduction from VIP, you get a reduction from pleading guilty, you get a reduction from stamps, you get a reduction from paying your tickets and in the end you serve less than two hours MAX; you can even do your entire sentence offline, with only the last hour being online. Do you understand how big of a difference there is between 19 hours to 1 hour? Even without VIP it's something like 3 if you can pay your fines, 2 of which you can do offline.

Licenses used to be suspended for three days, so people ended up in cycles where they'd get their license suspended, drive with a suspended license, and have the suspension renewed for another three days, some people lived for weeks with their licenses suspended.

At the same time, the fastest vehicle available to criminal roleplayers was a comet retro which had super car rarity and couldn't just be bought instantly with credits like all of the hardstuck 240 cars we have now in the credit store. The average member of a criminal organization ignores any IC repercussions by holding W as soon as he sees a cop and he'll be out of render distance 100x times over by the time backup arrives.

Watch 20secondsoritsfree | Streamable

The current criminal experience is akin to a streamer server where there are no real consequences for anything, and the one time a little bit of friction and potential to lose happens, it's an issue? I find this whole thread to be baffling and disconnected from reality.

You are completely disregarding the point of this thread, the point is to stop random pull outs with no real reason, not consequences of being a criminal. 

I am simply comparing the consequences/losses of random pull outs for no reason to NonRP robbery, the losses in terms of valid roleplay have nothing to do with the suggestion, which is to add remedies to LEO's pulling criminals over and essentially searching their vehicle for no reason.

I understand why you have issues with adding such regulations. 

[Hubie]

"Reimagined K-9 roleplay to allow for a fair chance that the K-9's "sniff" is unsuccessful. Essentially a 50/50 /dice if the sniff would be successful or not. Tightened regulations for K-9 use and added further restrictions for fairness. " Was this not added? 

If so, I have no idea what ur complaining about, if you don't want to deal with it, be smarter, I haven't been involved in K9 RP in well over 6 months, it's usually just GND telling me to step out of the vehicle, I'd much rather have a 50/50 then just straight up getting arrested, sounds like ur reaching here 

Edited January 6 by Hubie

[inorigj]

On 1/5/2026 at 3:26 PM, alexalex303 said:

An officer that is found to have done the things you are talking about can be suspended for DAYS at a time

 

On 1/5/2026 at 3:26 PM, alexalex303 said:

The consequences for officers breaking in-character rules are not inconsequential, they are 1000x stronger than whatever consequences criminals with VIP have on this server.

 

I need to just jab in here real quick. and just say. Sending a player to DOC and "suspending" a player from a faction is 2 VERY different things. and depending on the time of day. 1 is equivalent to OOC punishment and 1 is a IC backstory to why a cop is acting the way they are.

 

they can't even be compared to each other. 

 

DOC in its current state, depending on the time of day. is a OOC Time out. giving as much RP as if some staff member Froze you and teleported you 1000 meters up in the air for an hour.

 

a suspended officer can still interact and built character.

 

 

Thank you for your attention.

[Josh]

K9 has not been used much, when deployed most of the time people just evade. Even before there was barely any K9 and now even still less K9.

 

i don’t know what this suggestion is about, we have added a method to allow for crims to get away from K9 sniff, if they don’t just evade from it.

Have you been K9 sniffed since the policy was put into effect in Beginning of November?

Edited January 7 by alcomein5

[Demonmit1]

On 1/6/2026 at 8:33 PM, Mortem said:

You are completely disregarding the point of this thread, the point is to stop random pull outs with no real reason, not consequences of being a criminal. 

I am simply comparing the consequences/losses of random pull outs for no reason to NonRP robbery, the losses in terms of valid roleplay have nothing to do with the suggestion, which is to add remedies to LEO's pulling criminals over and essentially searching their vehicle for no reason.

I understand why you have issues with adding such regulations. 

just because you dont know every detail as to why in that exact moment you're being pulled out, doesnt mean its for no reason. you wont be given a reason. if you think there is genuinly no reason, contest it in character, or make a OOC IA/RP feedback post about the situation.