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Demands SHOULD equal DM rights

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There should never be a case that a group of people point heavies at someone, say get out of the car, the car drives away, but then when they shoot the car it's DM.

That just encourages and perpetuates this cycle of constant forum wars, because it encourages people to just bait "DM rights" or a forum report. If you can't react to someone driving away at gunpoint you're in a lose-lose situation, if you let them go, they can come back and KOS you now, if you don't let them go, they report you. 

If we're worried about people giving demands for stupid reasons? Make that fall under NonRP. Like robbing someone in a public place.

If we're worried about copy-paste demands? Make it require VOIP or clearly showing a threat. I'm not talking about demands from bushes with /s, I'm talking about a rifle pointed at someone.

But driving/running away at gunpoint is always a choice, and choices come with repercussions. If they don't want to get shot, they should surrender. I'm not saying put them under fear RP, I'm saying they should stop being protected by the server rules.

I could link a lot of reports where someone clearly received reasonable demands, made a run for it, got shot, and it got ruled as DM. I don't think anyone can argue it's not happening. I think that choosing to make a run for it is fine, but so is getting shot for it.

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I agree with this. With the recent changes to fear-rp it would be nice to see this change with the DM rule. The DM rule always gets used to rule play with (even crazier that we have a rule to stop rule playing but here we are). Even if this was just used for a testing period I believe interactions especially crim v crim would flow a lot better. Noone should be scared to shoot someone in these situations.

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+1 Completely agree with you. It should be easier to know either you have DM rights on someone, rather than contemplating it, after you shout demands, and wait until you end up being shot at. Too many times we are in a situation where we hesitate to shoot because of the fear of possibly getting DM punishments, which cost factions the whole hard work they do in a whole month. 

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7 minutes ago, MateiC said:

+1 Completely agree with you. It should be easier to know either you have DM rights on someone, rather than contemplating it, after you should demands, and wait until you end up being shot at. Too many times we are in a situation where we hesitate to shoot because of the fear of possibly getting DM punishments, which cost factions the whole hard work they do in a whole month. 

I don't play crim, and yet I see it in every other report, the formula is the same every time.

You see a gang that you're hostile to you holding a lab, so you send a person on a BF400 or a Gargoyle and you have them sit there / talk a bit of shit until they get pointed at -- from that point forward your gang can now KOS them and your hostiles can't do without being reported.

It's not good RP, it's not a good environment. It's just rewarding ruleplaying under the guise of good RP.

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+100000000

 

Tired of hearing dumb fucking questions on radio like "can we shoot them" "are you sure I can" "why are they shooting you" when situations are clearly hostile

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3 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

I don't play crim, and yet I see it in every other report, the formula is the same every time.

You see a gang that you're hostile to you holding a lab, so you send a person on a BF400 or a Gargoyle and you have them sit there / talk a bit of shit until they get pointed at -- from that point forward your gang can now KOS them and your hostiles can't do without being reported.

It's not good RP, it's not a good environment. It's just rewarding ruleplaying under the guise of good RP.

Say it again for the ones at the back

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25 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

You see a gang that you're hostile to you holding a lab, so you send a person on a BF400 or a Gargoyle and you have them sit there / talk a bit of shit until they get pointed at -- from that point forward your gang can now KOS them and your hostiles can't do without being reported.

Demands should equal DM rights in the labs, sure.



Why not everywhere? Because in most situations it will turn the server to a PvP simulator (especially in the city).

If I get pulled over by a cruiser, I’ll just get out, say “hends hends” and if the cruiser doesn’t comply (which they dont because they are in a powered vehicle yes) I’ll just shoot him so it’s a lose-lose situation for pulling people over.

 

58 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

If we're worried about people giving demands for stupid reasons? Make that fall under NonRP. Like robbing someone in a public place.

It’s a good suggestion but it will make the forum reports going to the roof.

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Time and time again I've said the same thing, it should be reverted as back the old days. Nowadays to every situation I have to do a checklist, if GOOD RP wants to be shown to the staff team and the entire server you have to make everything feel natural as to everything in life as well the key is to keep everything simple not complex every possible thing.

We have adapted a mindset over these past years that falls under ruleplay more than actual roleplay so you are completely right and im with you.

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+1 

this is one of the easiest improvements for the server to implement.

The amount of "playing around the rules" (or ruleplaying if you will) in regards to player demands that's going on (lately) is insane, frustrating, and borderline ruining the roleplay experience.

People rocking up, chatting shit, waiting for the second they get a somewhat agressieve reply to open fire, or radio to their friends to start shooting is pathetic.

I don't understand why this isn't in the rules already, but above all, I am truly baffled by the fact that reports get accepted whenever the situation doesnt go the way antagonist anticipated...
 

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I am a little mixed on the idea. I'd say +1* just because I can really understand where people get confused. Doing this would certainly clear up the misunderstandings of which there are quite a heavy sum. But at the same time although brought up already in this thread, it just arises another problem which is putting a certain rule on what counts as "Valid demands" which then instead of fixing the problem more so migrates it into a different thing all together. 

Overall though I'd say +1 but it would need some heavy wording to make sure its understood thoroughly 

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On 8/27/2025 at 4:33 PM, alexalex303 said:

But driving/running away at gunpoint is always a choice, and choices come with repercussions. If they don't want to get shot, they should surrender. I'm not saying put them under fear RP, I'm saying they should stop being protected by the server rules.

Its so people roleplaying civilian characters that want to feel cool and act like gang members can feel cool and tough without getting slammed for piping up to bigger gangs.

 

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it just arises another problem which is putting a certain rule on what counts as "Valid demands"

A valid demand is anything that gets told to your character, It's simple. A rival gang member tells your character to get out of the car? Your character refuses and drives off? Oh well expect to get shot.

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I've been a big advocate for letting criminal roleplayers actually get the freedom of criminal roleplay rule-wise for a long time now. There is no situation where you should be boxing in a rival gang member then telling them to hop out of their car and then they ram through your vehicles and drive off because they are protected by server rules and have a mystical shield around them. 

You should be able to shoot them then and there period.

Same thing with chasing someone down a road, lets say you catch one of your rivals driving down the road. You should be able to just shout from car to car "Yo pull the fuck over now". If they don't then just shoot them. 

This isn't Hello Kitty Island Adventure. This is a roleplay server with conflict, robberies, crime etc. There SHOULD be levels to it. If you're talking shit and piping up to every gang, you should face the repercussions that come with it. Not hide behind silly technicalities in the rules.

I guarantee you half these gang beefs happening right now would not be happening if demands equaled DM rights. I promise you the stronger gang would slam the other gang piping up until they paid sums of money for peace. Which is fine, it's GANG ROLEPLAY. There's levels to it. There SHOULD be weaker and stronger gangs.

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Honestly dm is so rule heavy it does feel like a checklist and has caused me and many other crims to just shoot at all half the time. If a gun a drawn and pointed especially during a criminal activity everyone in the vicinity should have rights. From a realistic perspective, once a gun is drawn and pointed you have to react quick on both sides cause at that point unless one person is vastly better at shooting you have to get the upper hand. This dancing act currently is abysmal for all.

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1 hour ago, Clank said:

A valid demand is anything that gets told to your character, It's simple. A rival gang member tells your character to get out of the car? Your character refuses and drives off? Oh well expect to get shot.

This is what I mean, using this logic you can just give demands for just about any reason. If demands = DM rights, that means that you need to educate players on what is a valid demand. "I want your shoes get out and give them to me or get shot" they drive off they get shot? Where is the RP in there? It's NOT as simple as you let on unfortunately.

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56 minutes ago, Jordan said:

This is what I mean, using this logic you can just give demands for just about any reason. If demands = DM rights, that means that you need to educate players on what is a valid demand. "I want your shoes get out and give them to me or get shot" they drive off they get shot? Where is the RP in there? It's NOT as simple as you let on unfortunately.

If someones pointing a gun at you robbing you for your shoes telling you they want your shoes. You have two options, you comply and give him your shoes or you call his bluff and drive off. He can then shoot you or not. 

 

The RP is him giving you a decision and your character making a decision. 

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If I see you rocking some $20,000 nike air mags IRL. I decide to rob you for them. Is there going to be an invisible admin punishment looming over me if I decide to end your life over a stickup gone wrong?

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44 minutes ago, Clank said:

If someones pointing a gun at you robbing you for your shoes telling you they want your shoes. You have two options, you comply and give him your shoes or you call his bluff and drive off. He can then shoot you or not. 

 

The RP is him giving you a decision and your character making a decision. 

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If I see you rocking some $20,000 nike air mags IRL. I decide to rob you for them. Is there going to be an invisible admin punishment looming over me if I decide to end your life over a stickup gone wrong?

Yeah cause if you slump the dude in the air mags he might crease em and lower the value. You will not be getting close to full value at Cool Kicks 

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