COPS / CRIM

[SquirtleSquad]

Last time I'm going to say this. PD/SD does not have 200AP. Get off this echo chamber that they are with 200AP. If everyone is going to make this accusation, and constantly says "yes but", "we all know", or "I've heard this" or "X said so", then present that evidence from recent situations. Otherwise, move on from the AP values, as that's been debunked. These arguments and statements are along the lines of the 20 YouTube Channels "proving a Flat Earth". 

I will post this here, as this has been said by Senior Staff (Osborn specifically) multiple times surrounding this.

 

On 5/27/2025 at 12:57 PM, Osborn said:

I also want to clear up the rumor about 200 or 175 AP. It is not accurate. The same small group with pager access in SD is the only ones who have access to 150 AP. SD and PD leadership specifically chose not to request 200 AP during the uniforms update because they wanted to maintain balance and fairness. The rest typically carry between 50 and 100 AP and are equipped with a handgun, a shotgun, or an SMG.

Discuss other things you want balanced and keep it tasteful.

[Harveyyy]

1 minute ago, Spizor said:

Criminals have recently been regularly shooting at cops just for turning their lights on behind them. As usual, IC actions are taken in response to these frequent shootings during routine traffic stops. As soon as further action is taken, a thread, or two, or three, get created. Kinda weird. If you want to see less use of AP, you'll need to see less shooting at cops during routine traffic stops first.

Can you be more specific? The way you're wording this makes it sound like “All criminals shoot cops on sight” 

[exaal]

5 minutes ago, Spizor said:

Criminals have recently been regularly shooting at cops just for turning their lights on behind them. As usual, IC actions are taken in response to these frequent shootings during routine traffic stops. As soon as further action is taken, a thread, or two, or three, get created. Kinda weird. If you want to see less use of AP, you'll need to see less shooting at cops during routine traffic stops first.

when every traffic stop results in you being arrested I dont see crims having a choice there.

Bout 100 times where GND pulled me over not a single time did they let me go even if im not in gang colours or anything. They ask for a license if you show them the license they ask you to step out and arrest you.

[Spizor]

6 minutes ago, Harveyyy said:

Can you be more specific? The way you're wording this makes it sound like “All criminals shoot cops on sight” 

What do I need to be more specific on? Most criminals shoot at cops just for turning their lights on. A lot of criminals bait and find PD/SD to fight them at night for 'fun' because they're low on numbers. As soon as other factions are called, a thread gets created. Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with the fact that non-LEOs shouldn't be responding to shootouts, but the principle remains.

As soon as someone from GND turns their lights on behind a gang member and they have something they don't want to lose, the cop is immediately KOS. So yes, the 150 AP during regular patrol for certain divisions is justified, until the constant shooting completely stops.

1 minute ago, exaal said:

when every traffic stop results in you being arrested I dont see crims having a choice there.

Bout 100 times where GND pulled me over not a single time did they let me go even if im not in gang colours or anything. They ask for a license if you show them the license they ask you to step out and arrest you.

This here proves my point. I am GND, I have pulled over a lot of people, and I have also let a lot of people go. Pulling you out of the car doesn't mean you're getting arrested, that's what a lot of people don't understand.

On this server, and per the law and JB, officers can pull you out of the car during a routine traffic stop, which doesn't always mean they have a reason to search you or arrest you.

[exaal]

2 hours ago, Flaviosas said:

- Heli can be used in raids or big robberies like bank robbery ( not every pursuit its not fun)

Staff tryna make this server feel like real life trying to make shit as realistic as possible. While some people are playing this game to escape the reality and have some fun. 

My suggestion is allow the heli's to be used but make them run out of fuel after about 5-10 minutes of airtime and set up a heli gas stations on roofs like pillbox, MRPD, Sandy Station, Paleto. So during a chase crims can get an opportunity to escape the cops when the heli goes to refuel. 

If this is considered make it not allowed for PD/SD to just /delcruiser the heli and get a new one during chases.

[Ronin]

3 minutes ago, exaal said:

Staff tryna make this server feel like real life trying to make shit as realistic as possible. While some people are playing this game to escape the reality and have some fun. 

Fun goes both ways and that's why things needs to be regulated, I don't have fun being shot at only because I pulled over someone going 190 in the city.

Personally I think the way itis now is balanced, Crim side have multiple advantages  they can play and use.
LEOs have the needed tools to respond. 

Any situations resulted in an arrest or fight between LEOs and Crim side, it is a consequence of actions crim did. 

[Harveyyy]

11 minutes ago, Spizor said:

What do I need to be more specific on? Most criminals shoot at cops just for turning their lights on. A lot of criminals bait and find PD/SD to fight them at night for 'fun' because they're low on numbers. As soon as other factions are called, a thread gets created. Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with the fact that non-LEOs shouldn't be responding to shootouts, but the principle remains.

As soon as someone from GND turns their lights on behind a gang member and they have something they don't want to lose, the cop is immediately KOS. So yes, the 150 AP during regular patrol for certain divisions is justified, until the constant shooting completely stops.

See, that’s the issue. You are convinced that all crims will act the same way. You’re going full throttle on everyone because of one or two clapper gangs. Flexibility and adaptability are thrown out of the window. 

[exaal]

8 minutes ago, Ronin said:

Fun goes both ways and that's why things needs to be regulated, I don't have fun being shot at only because I pulled over someone going 190 in the city.

Personally I think the way itis now is balanced, Crim side have multiple advantages  they can play and use.
LEOs have the needed tools to respond. 

Any situations resulted in an arrest or fight between LEOs and Crim side, it is a consequence of actions crim did. 

name 3 advantages crims have against LEOs

Edited June 6, 2025 by exaal

[Ronin]

Just now, exaal said:

name 3 advantages crims have against LEOs

Niobe, La Coureuse, GTO, want more?

 

[AtlasOLimbo]

2 minutes ago, exaal said:

name 3 advantages crims have against LEOs

- Lack of IC rulesets, certifications, etcetra.
- Drugs.
- Allowed to break the law.

There you go!

[Spizor]

9 minutes ago, Harveyyy said:

See, that’s the issue. You are convinced that all crims will act the same way. You’re going full throttle on everyone because of one or two clapper gangs. Flexibility and adaptability are thrown out of the window. 

I appreciate and understand your point of view, but one gang constantly shooting at cops for routine traffic stops will lead to these IC actions that will unfortunately affect all other gangs. I don't complain about them on the forums, or anywhere really. I just act accordingly IC.

However, I do fail to see the issue of cops wearing a certain AP during regular patrol, even if it was 1000. If you don't want to be shooting at cops outside of necessity, why does it matter what they patrol in?

[moment]

19 minutes ago, Harveyyy said:

See, that’s the issue. You are convinced that all crims will act the same way. You’re going full throttle on everyone because of one or two clapper gangs. Flexibility and adaptability are thrown out of the window. 

Couldn't have said it better

[Harveyyy]

26 minutes ago, Spizor said:

I appreciate and understand your point of view, but one gang constantly shooting at cops for routine traffic stops will lead to these IC actions that will unfortunately affect all other gangs.

Mind shedding some light on how one gang can lead to others getting screwed? You do have an MDC right? You use that to get the name of the owner of the vehicle you've pulled over right? So you would have an idea if they're going to be hostile toward you or not, based on their criminal record?

26 minutes ago, Spizor said:

However, I do fail to see the issue of cops wearing a certain AP during regular patrol, even if it was 1000. If you don't want to be shooting at cops outside of necessity, why does it matter what they patrol in?

On regular patrol, you tend to deal with random crims more than known clappers, those random crims usually sit at burgershot yapping all day. Pulling up with 150AP is not fair? Those crims will have a .50 with 33 rounds at best, if not a heavy pistol.. It's about fairness. I am on team "Cops should be overpowered" but only to a certain extent. Overpowered doesn't mean you have the best of the best equipment available to you at all times. Also.. 1000AP? Really..? 150 is not enough? Bro wants to be a juggernaut

With this logic, PD should import a Fighter Jet. I've heard the "Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II" is pretty good.

Edited June 6, 2025 by Harveyyy

[RustyOsprey2]

I would love for the removal of all MK2 weapons tbh, some of them are rather busted. Crim AP should be max 100 and PD max 125 - 150 for SWAT and 75 or less for normal units.. That in my eyes would be balanced.

More activities for crims to do would be lovely, idk what that would be specifically but something other than cooking drugs or robbing stores would be neat.

[WindEZ]

Im glad we all agree , remove combat mg mk2 

Everyone to get the same AP and we all happy.

keep the heli so you can continue using your meta cars 

 

[exaal]

42 minutes ago, Ronin said:

Niobe, La Coureuse, GTO, want more?

 

thats cars not advantages bro. I meant like in shooting and shi. but either way PD has heli, Bikes, insurgent, D10, Jugular

And all of them are free for PD. Crims either pay millions for those cars or like 100/200 dollars.

[Eliza]

31 minutes ago, exaal said:

but either way PD has heli, Bikes, insurgent, D10, Jugular

And all of them are free for PD.

I encourage you to join PD or SD and deploy one of those vehicles you mentioned yourself in the very first pursuit you take part in

[Eliza]

I also encourage everyone to try the other side for at least a month, both LEO and crim players

[exaal]

1 minute ago, Eliza said:

I encourage you to join PD or SD and deploy one of those vehicles you mentioned yourself in the very first pursuit you take part in

I used to be PD and SD and I know its only for High ranks and shi. Still at peak times or even when there is less people around there is still some High ranks that can take them out so dont tell me cops dont use them

[Demonmit1]

If you don't want DOC/GSB responding to all hands code 1 situations, LEO shouldn't be expected to follow NLR for responding to active panics. Gangs hunting cops at NA night times to wipe us for no reason other than boredom and wanting PvP is a stupid interaction that happens a lot. LEO just log off to not deal with it, cutting off access for players to do any atms, stores, or banks just cause the crims got bored and wanted PvP

Edited June 6, 2025 by Demonmit1

[Demonmit1]

2 minutes ago, exaal said:

I used to be PD and SD and I know its only for High ranks and shi. Still at peak times or even when there is less people around there is still some High ranks that can take them out so dont tell me cops dont use them

1100 hours and 6 months on my SD and I just am now able to even drive a kamacho. Still won't be till at least 3-4 more months till I can drive a jugular. I have access to the D10 but it's in every possible way inferior to the buffalo stx except straight line top speed. It needs to be replaced with the vigero zx.

 

Let's not forget that the vigero zx is a $350k car that easily does 240, and you can earn $350k in about 5 hours as a crim, and then you have the car forever. Or the D5 that does 230. Or the monstrociti that's $220k that does 225. Or the brioso r/a that does 220 and is $25k, or the vivanite that does 210 for $180k and you can shoot heavies from it. Law enforcement don't have an equivalent for any of these cars. The closest thing is a jugular which only supervisors can deploy. 

 

Every criminal is driving a cheap vigero, d5, kamacho, monstrociti, or a la corouse/ jug / niobe that law enforcement don't have a vehicle equivalent or it takes at least half a year of active play and promotions to be allowed to use

[Jokl]

1 hour ago, WindEZ said:

Im glad we all agree , remove combat mg mk2 

Everyone to get the same AP and we all happy.

keep the heli so you can continue using your meta cars 

This sounds like a good idea, I like this

[Jokl]

50 minutes ago, Demonmit1 said:

Gangs hunting cops at NA night times

I dont mind that gangs hunt cops NA night time...actions have consequences 

Edited June 6, 2025 by Jokl

[PufferBulletin]

30 minutes ago, Jokl said:

I dont mind that gangs hunt cops NA night time...actions have consequences 

:DDDDDDDD
So why crims are upset and making these posts when actions leads to consequences? So by that logic, at some point it should lead to PD/SD creating a curfew and shooting everyone on spot if they're out at certain times and the other way around with crims.

I do agree actions has consequences, Law did something wrong, crims retaliate (fair), Law can't take it much more so they increase their capabilities (fair) - by that logic why we have such topics?

 

I love how the RP server that should be about making connections, interacting with people and creating stories but mostly its crying about Crims VS PD in the forums... HM....

 

The issue I see that criminals are really disliking cops not respecting their rights I.E. getting them out of the car and then arresting with no reason - which is completely fair. Just because there's 4 guys with past felonies shouldnt warrant a warrantless search and treating them like felons with active warrants.

I think the server has just been way to long without a wipe (which never will happen), quite a few people don't even care about the money, so it's just turning to GRP server.

Edited June 6, 2025 by PufferBulletin

[Kevin Biker]

33 minutes ago, Jokl said:

I dont mind that gangs hunt cops NA night time...actions have consequences 

only reason we have more fun in Night time its because its actually a fair fight against cop with special carbine MK2 and 150 AP's /crims with mg mk2 and 100 AP. the reason crims dont like fighting cops at the first place its because at the end we gain jack shit, no guns, no ammo, no nothing. we avoid going to jail yes, avoid RP'ing 5 hours in jail, but at the end its not fun, during the day its not even worth it because as soon as they start losing they pager the whole city, gnd,doc, EVEN fucking MEDICS ive seen with AP and guns helping in the fight? why should u ask that Medic  or DOC is helping , its pure win mentallity from cops side, thats why they dont have a problem with all these updates that is legit AGAINST criminals, yea yall removed the MG mk2, but the only thing that does is making it more difficult to even fight cops , dont get me wrong its nice for other criminals , now when its a criminal vs criminal fight atleast its fair. But when it comes against cops. we are roasted chickens, either we get blown up whilst in a car and them mag dumping 500 ammo of tecpistol (totally realistic init?) or they just have a few JUGGERNAUT with 150's pushing u whilst the rest of cops with 100 stay back. IMO if you guys (admin team) already started this wave of removing MGmk2 and disabling Right hand peaks and Ghost peaks, just remove EVERY SINGLE MK2 in the game both cops side and crims side, then atleast it would be fair again. this update just made allot of crims not wanting to play anymore, fine remove the mg mk2 but how are u gonna remove a game mechanic for example the right hand peak, how is crims gonna be able to fight cops with 150's and speciale carbine mk2. we are gonna be dead in 1 second of peaking , we need to expose our whole body now for a shot. ( PS its always in night time when cops actually go against crims with mgmk2 that they wanna cry about it because they lose and dont have their backup. In the night time is when crims can actually show the cops that they are not good just bcs they got them cheecky SCMK2 and 150's. during the day time when city is active and u cops DO fight crims with still mg mk2 u guys never cry about it bcs even do crims got mgmk2's u guys got 100 people assisting in a fight so no1 really cry;s about it because its a winning fight for cops) 

long story short since yall started this wave already might as well make it fair for everyone in general.
1) remove all mk2's from the game
2) make it fair for both sides (crims and Cops ) same ammount of AP. 150 max ! but crims needs to get them aswell for orders. not just "special orders" imo
3) Why remove right hand peaks and ghost peaks? This is just game mechanics if u dont know how to use the game mechanics its your own fault do init?