Some of my gripes with PD on this server

[penguinkibble]

My gripe with law enforcement in this city: 

 

The Cars: 

 

it’s highly unrealistic for police officers to have access to super cars, and IRL, police are often in much slower cars than the suspects. Why do the police in this city have access to a maxed out Shinobi, that’s based off a 1200cc track bike with turbos slapped to it.  Police have the advantage of helicopters, multiple units, radios, etc. That’s how you egg the playing field with high speed chases, Police officers riding around on super bikes, Dirtbikes, and 1000hp Jugs make absolutely no sense. 

 

 

Guns:

 Over the past few weeks, I’ve increasingly noticed more police officers walking around with fully automatic rifles on their backs. Not only is the rifle being fully automatic extremely unrealistic, but what police department has officers casually responding to calls with that kind of artillery equipped? They’re already equipped with high levels of body armor, to the point where a 1v1 gunfight with them is near impossible, I don’t see the need for them to casually be carrying these weapons without a long animation to unrack them from their cruisers.  Also, having the script set up so criminals can’t loot an officers body or cruiser for their weapon is extremely unrealistic. 

 

Tasers:

 As if the 1000hp cruisers, the insane amounts of body armor, and the fully automatic rifles are enough, the tasers are absolutely ridiculous and make foot chases impossible. IRL, police call out multiple times before a taser is deployed, and the tasers OFTEN don’t work. (The leads get dragged by the wind, they don’t make clear contact with the skin, etc. ) police in this city have super tasers with long range and extreme accuracy that they deploy without warning to avoid any kind of foot pursuit, because god forbid they have to chase someone on foot and risk the chance of them getting away. 

 

Unrealistic pursuit maneuvers:

  Police in this city will put the public in danger, the suspect in danger, and use just about any dirty trick they can during pursuits and seem to have no fear for their own lives (The heavy armor probably helps that). Although I know it’s against the PDs policy, the amount of times I’ve been rammed off of my bike by a police cruiser is concerning and complete NRP. Lot’s of PDs won’t even pursue bikes, this PD has no issue risking everyone’s lives by trying to pit maneuver them at 200kmph

 

 

A lot of people I meet in the city and have met over the past few years have either left the city, or fly in way less often because of issues of police being grossly overpowered and it makes the RP for criminals lackluster. I’d like to hear community thoughts on some of these topics or maybe here from some PD themselves. 

[Demonmit1]

hey look! another crim vs LEO post. Let me preface my response here with my experience before I get into my full response here.

I have about 1400 hours on a dedicated Civ player that made it all the way to command in a main civ faction
I have about 1500 hours on a crim character that was high command in a high ranking official illegal faction
I have about 1000 hours on a LEO character that is a general patrol rank in file member.

Just to give context on my overall experience on the server.
Also, this context is coming from the perspective of LSSD, as thats the LEO faction im in.

The cars:
Law enforcement have access to one super car. Coquette D10. the use of the D10 is limited where a supervisor level player is required to be online, give permission to deploy the super car, the driver is a high ranking member of the traffic enforcement division, the driver has passed certification to prove proficiency in the vehicle, and the reasons to deploy the super car are to react to other extremely fast cars evading. the D10 is not allowed to be deployed against general vehicles.

The Shinobi is deployed as a reaction to the evading suspect using a similar high speed, high maneuverability motorcycle. It would be unreasonable to expect law enforcement to just ignore criminals on bikes that can dip down alleyways we cant fit in with a typical cruiser.

Dirtbikes, being the BF400, again, is deployed when the suspect being chased is also using a dirtbike. It would be unreasonable to expect law enforcement to just ignore criminals on dirt bikes that regularly just jump through extreme mountain terrain to evade that a typical cruiser cant follow.

Guns:

Automatic rifles are restricted to Special Enforcement Detail units who are on duty (think SWAT team), full rank detective/investigator units like gang enforcement, or supervisors. the only automatic firearm general patrol units can use is a SMG, and thats only accessible after becoming the highest non supervisor rank, Master Deputy. I have 1000 hours on my SD character and I'm not a Master Deputy yet for context.

Encouraging gunfights with Law Enforcement shouldn't be a thing. as a criminal your goal should be avoidance, not winning a gunfight against all on duty law enforcement.

Why should law enforcement be required to go through a lengthy animation to retrieve their firearms and gear when any crim can keep a 100AP in their pockets not visable, and an AK mkII or Combat MG in the glovebox of their dirtbike, and deploy it immediately?

Looting law enforcement has been a back and forth discussion. the concept is being worked on, but you have to consider the fact that firearms are intentionally limited on the server to an extent. allowing law enforcement to be killed for their guns would just make it open season deathmatch against law enforcement for guns. LEO players are not walking loot pinata's for your enjoyment.

Tasers:

Tasers need a rework. I've made a suggestion on the forums that being hit by a taser should scriptly affect your character with negative stats, like drug use gives you boosts to your stats. Tasers are powerful, i completely agree. but when every crim has downloaded a 100% save file of a single player campaign so they get infinite sprint in an RP server to gain an advantage over others, Tasers are used by people like me who dont modify their game to get infinite sprint. Its quite common still for a foot pursuit to fail, and the suspect get away. it comes with skill, practice, and luck.

Unrealistic pursuit maneuvers:
replace the word police in your first sentence with criminal, and the sentence is still completely true. Law Enforcement react to how the criminal player acts.

If you are getting rammed off your motorcycle by law enforcement, report. genuinely make a forum report over it. if you dont report nothing changes.

Edited April 14, 2025 by Demonmit1

[Lue]

I can't even read this completely because your first point is blasphemy. Not only are you completely wrong about Law Enforcements access to super cars, which Demon above has educated you on, but in what world does every single criminal have a supercar too? That's a terrible point you're trying to make when every crim has a jugular. In real life criminals are running around in Nissan Altima's and Toyota Tacoma's. 

After further review of your post - It 100% seems like you genuinely have no idea how this server works and you're just complaining to complain because I've been in PD for almost a year, and I've never seen anyone pit a car at 200km. 

Id definitely read Demons post above mine completely. He did a fantastic job at educating you.

Edited April 14, 2025 by Lue

[Asbo]

for the 10th time, d10 is not a super car, its a sports car

[Harveyyy]

Cars: D10 is dog. The Jugular should only be deployed for high speed chases - the list of high speed cars is long. Yea you might see 3 Jugulars in one pursuit but you can’t do shit about it unfortunately. The Shinobi is used by PD in Issi Sports pursuits, not one but two, which is kinda cringe and screams win mentality, but again you can’t do much about it.

Guns: I get it. If you have a pistol, there is 0 chance of winning a fight against a singular cop who has 100AP and a Carbine Rifle Mk2. The issue here stems from the lack of enforcement of IC policies. Cops should pull out heavy weapons only when they’re about to fight someone with a heavy weapon but using the most broken meta heavy rifle in the game against someone without AP and are only using a pistol is kinda cringe. Again, you can’t do much about it. 

Tasers: There was supposedly an OOC policy that disallow cops from firing a tazer without issuing verbal demands. That lasted for 2 weeks tho lol.

Pursuit maneuvers: I agree with you. PITing someone going 200KM/h is kinda weird because you want to arrest them not kill them. Doing so is counterproductive.

Look, this server is not GTA World so don’t expect heavy/high RP standards in every interaction. It’s more of a “cops and robbers” server. No one cares about what makes sense and what doesn’t. Ive been here since 2020 and ive watched people complain about the exact same things for 4 years and nothing has changed so don’t get your hopes up LOL. 

Edited April 14, 2025 by Harveyyy

[admiraljenkins]

There is definitely room for improvement with some of the policies employed by cops in this city but there's also a fine line we need to walk with this.

We're not RPing in a world based on real life. We're RPing in a word based on a Grand Theft Auto, which is a parodical take on American society. That's why in the game itself Franklin, Michael, and Trevor can walk into a gun store and legally buy fully automatic weapons, it's purposefully made extreme for the sake of the game.

Cops in the US have been known to seize criminal vehicles and turn them into cop vehicles for their own use (Albeit mostly for marketing purposes).

I will say to the defence of some of your points, every time I see cop doing traffic stops with a fucking light machine gun and full SWAT tactical gear I do want to claw my eyes out. From a "realistic" standpoint, no one in their right mind wants to be sat at the side of the road doing a speed trap in full tac gear and carrying around an LMG. That shit is uncomfortable, hot, and gets in your way of doing anything. However, the cops not having LMGs when crims can make 2 phone calls and have 5 of them in an hour you start to understand why the cops have access to them.

I'd just like to see cops not stepping out of cars with them during traffic stops, IMO they shouldn't even be in the car ready for them. It should require authorisation from a supervisor to go back to the station to get one. Exceptions to this rule would be when using SWAT tactical vehicles (Not SWAT Cruisers, that doesn't count and idek if that's a thing here).

If we're making arguments for nerfing cops, I think we'd also need to re-evaluate how easy it is for criminals to get certain guns.

Again, I agree there's definitely room for improvement but "Cops IRL don't have access to machine guns" is a none starter argument.

[penguinkibble]

5 hours ago, Demonmit1 said:

hey look! another crim vs LEO post. Let me preface my response here with my experience before I get into my full response here.

I have about 1400 hours on a dedicated Civ player that made it all the way to command in a main civ faction
I have about 1500 hours on a crim character that was high command in a high ranking official illegal faction
I have about 1000 hours on a LEO character that is a general patrol rank in file member.

Just to give context on my overall experience on the server.
Also, this context is coming from the perspective of LSSD, as thats the LEO faction im in.

The cars:
Law enforcement have access to one super car. Coquette D10. the use of the D10 is limited where a supervisor level player is required to be online, give permission to deploy the super car, the driver is a high ranking member of the traffic enforcement division, the driver has passed certification to prove proficiency in the vehicle, and the reasons to deploy the super car are to react to other extremely fast cars evading. the D10 is not allowed to be deployed against general vehicles.

The Shinobi is deployed as a reaction to the evading suspect using a similar high speed, high maneuverability motorcycle. It would be unreasonable to expect law enforcement to just ignore criminals on bikes that can dip down alleyways we cant fit in with a typical cruiser.

Dirtbikes, being the BF400, again, is deployed when the suspect being chased is also using a dirtbike. It would be unreasonable to expect law enforcement to just ignore criminals on dirt bikes that regularly just jump through extreme mountain terrain to evade that a typical cruiser cant follow.

Guns:

Automatic rifles are restricted to Special Enforcement Detail units who are on duty (think SWAT team), full rank detective/investigator units like gang enforcement, or supervisors. the only automatic firearm general patrol units can use is a SMG, and thats only accessible after becoming the highest non supervisor rank, Master Deputy. I have 1000 hours on my SD character and I'm not a Master Deputy yet for context.

Encouraging gunfights with Law Enforcement shouldn't be a thing. as a criminal your goal should be avoidance, not winning a gunfight against all on duty law enforcement.

Why should law enforcement be required to go through a lengthy animation to retrieve their firearms and gear when any crim can keep a 100AP in their pockets not visable, and an AK mkII or Combat MG in the glovebox of their dirtbike, and deploy it immediately?

Looting law enforcement has been a back and forth discussion. the concept is being worked on, but you have to consider the fact that firearms are intentionally limited on the server to an extent. allowing law enforcement to be killed for their guns would just make it open season deathmatch against law enforcement for guns. LEO players are not walking loot pinata's for your enjoyment.

Tasers:

Tasers need a rework. I've made a suggestion on the forums that being hit by a taser should scriptly affect your character with negative stats, like drug use gives you boosts to your stats. Tasers are powerful, i completely agree. but when every crim has downloaded a 100% save file of a single player campaign so they get infinite sprint in an RP server to gain an advantage over others, Tasers are used by people like me who dont modify their game to get infinite sprint. Its quite common still for a foot pursuit to fail, and the suspect get away. it comes with skill, practice, and luck.

Unrealistic pursuit maneuvers:
replace the word police in your first sentence with criminal, and the sentence is still completely true. Law Enforcement react to how the criminal player acts.

If you are getting rammed off your motorcycle by law enforcement, report. genuinely make a forum report over it. if you dont report nothing changes.

Don’t you think maybe there’s a lot of Crim vs Leo posts because there’s so many issues? And when it comes to the cars, police are supposed to be slower than crims, they make up for it with numbers, helicopters, communication, etc. And when it comes to “Super cars”‘I don’t mean cars that are classified as super cars by the game, I mean vehicles like Jugs or shinobis that have super car specs that there’s no reason for the police to have. 
 

looting cops wouldn’t make them a piñata, there’d still have to be escalation, and the criminal would still have to somehow kill the OP super soldier with 100% body armor. 
 

All you’ve done is reiterate the reasoning behind these policies but you haven’t acknowledged that they’re unfair. Yes, I understand the police can spawn BF400s because of the terrain, my argument is that it’s unrealistic and a suspect fleeing into terrain would make them very hard to spot/ catch. Use a helicopter and a radio.   If a suspect is in a super car or a shinobi, maybe you just can’t catch them. Put a chopper in the air, put out a BOLO, and catch them via IC investigative means. 
 

Cops riding around on shinobis, dirt bikes, jugs, corvettes, twin turbo mustangs,  with rifles and shotguns on their backs, magic tasers, and unrealistic levels of body armor is 100% the stupidest looking thing in this server.

[PufferBulletin]

If you're so up for realism answer this, how many suspects that evades in real life, shoots a cop and such escapes? Barely none.

I always see these complaints made by the players that actually lack skills in themselves, have piss poor driving standards with faster cars than police and has minimal knowledge of how to use racing lines, then getting mad once they get caught.

Lets not forget that a lot of cops that been playing on this server have developed a great skillset through many years of playing this game, the same as crims that been around for years and has no issue to lose a cop.

 

Do you really think that admins do not monitor these situations? If every crim would feel this way they would start leaving the server in which DEV's/Admins would quickly react. The server is being balanced for many years.

Players love the adrenaline kick that comes with such situations, maybe the anger appears at some points but this what makes the game engaging. I don't think most of the people that are actual gamers would love playing on ''easy'' mode

Edited April 14, 2025 by PufferBulletin

[Demonmit1]

20 minutes ago, penguinkibble said:

And when it comes to “Super cars”‘I don’t mean cars that are classified as super cars by the game, I mean vehicles like Jugs or shinobis that have super car specs that there’s no reason for the police to have. 

Players are able to purchase their own Jugular, Shinobi, BF400, Buffalo STX anything they like from an in game dealership.

Law enforcement dont have niobes, itali GTOs, Banshee GTSs. Crims have access to those pay to win cars and constantly use them to evade. If you want to talk about unbalanced super cars, Crims have the significant upper hand. hell, even the D5 is only 350k and does 230 with incredible handling and braking, LC is 950k and does 230 with incredible handling and braking. Hakuchou Drag is basically untouchable by law enforcement. law enforcement have NOTHING comparable to these vehicles. if you want to get into specifics i can do so for you.

The pursuit Jugular exists as a reaction to these vehicles above, and others like them. i don't see how its unfair for law enforcement to have a single decent high speed pursuit vehicle that does 220, that only supervisor level players can use, against such a wide range of cheap to expensive cars civilians can own that easily do max server speed of 240 or close to it.

 

30 minutes ago, penguinkibble said:

looting cops wouldn’t make them a piñata, there’d still have to be escalation, and the criminal would still have to somehow kill the OP super soldier with 100% body armor. 

it wouldnt matter with escalation. it would be open season on law enforcement, deathmatching would be rampant for free guns from baiting cops, law enforcement would be forced to report every instance of deathmatching, and criminal players would start losing their minds on cops who report them on the forums. thats just not going to end well.
 

31 minutes ago, penguinkibble said:

maybe you just can’t catch them

this happens all the time. removing the chance to even keep up so completely by removing basic equipment like a dirtbike, a single highspeed vehicle for the whole department, or a motorcycle is bad balance. get better at evading and you'll get away. you're not evading from an NPC, you're evading from another player who's motivated to catch you.

 

33 minutes ago, penguinkibble said:

with rifles and shotguns on their backs, magic tasers, and unrealistic levels of body armor

i cant hide my guns or armor when im undercover. crims have magic pockets that hide their armor and glove boxes that can fit light machineguns in a dirtbike. law enforcement have 100AP. crims can go buy 100AP all day. your goal as a crim shouldn't be to outright win a gunfight against the whole of all law enforcement. hit and run, evade, escape. shoot the one cop on you if necessary, but you're not winning against a whole department, thats not the intended design.

[Quietthecutie]

Jesus we just got done with the last one of these...lemme breathe...

[Quietthecutie]

2 hours ago, penguinkibble said:

Cops riding around on shinobis, dirt bikes, jugs, corvettes, twin turbo mustangs,  with rifles and shotguns on their backs, magic tasers, and unrealistic levels of body armor is 100% the stupidest looking thing in this server.

I can do better.

Gangbanger in socks and sliders who lives in a crappy rat infested apartment with 20 safes hidden in the walls busts out of a lab in a niobe sportscar which would have irl market value of over a million bucks before pulling a machine gun out of the teeny tiny glovebox, materialising body armour on his person, hopping out and starting to spray.

Just a thought but I think that might be slightly more ridiculous than a cop wearing a vest and having a longarm on their back but shit what do i know. 

[Diligo]

12 hours ago, Demonmit1 said:

but when every crim has downloaded a 100% save file of a single player campaign so they get infinite sprint in an RP server to gain an advantage over others, Tasers are used by people like me who dont modify their game to get infinite sprint.

i dont and i know many that also dont have the 100% save file, but thanks for the tip

 

4 hours ago, Quietthecutie said:

pulling a machine gun out of the teeny tiny glovebox, materialising body armour on his person, hopping out and starting to spray.

its not glovebox its vehicle interior. and if you want to mention bikes then imagine a big box on the side of that big hakuchou drag and it opens up and there is a fully loaded combat mg mk2 with AP mod fully ready to take away your AP. 

Nobody wears body armour visibly IRL so materialising it is the only thing those pesky crims have to simulate it being under the shirt

 

4 hours ago, Quietthecutie said:

Gangbanger in socks and sliders who lives in a crappy rat infested apartment with 20 safes hidden in the walls

that i agree on, never understood that fashion choice. Also last i checked if there are safes hidden in walls, then you can report that because it is unrealistic i believe, right? i once did a /report 3 and waited a few minutes to get an admin to place a marker, the system works!

 

11 hours ago, Lue said:

 In real life criminals are running around in Nissan Altima's and Toyota Tacoma's. 

thats true Lue. Can you tell me which cars you dont often see crims using? asking for a friend

 

6 hours ago, PufferBulletin said:

Players love the adrenaline kick that comes with such situations, maybe the anger appears at some points but this what makes the game engaging. I don't think most of the people that are actual gamers would love playing on ''easy'' mode

You see I like trying hard mode after I have completed the game on easy mode, but there is no easy mode on this server, all the newbies get put into a Drug King Pin style treatment as soon as they tryout criminal roleplay. No wonder they have nothing positive to say about LEO's.

I have a lot of positive things to say about LEO's, and have had a lot of positive interactions with them.

Only thing I would prefer to be more popularized is JB and the court system and both sides trying their best to go to court before DOC. Some criminals would prefer a chance of minimizing charges or taken them off completely

So lets get some people in JB - defense and prosecution and judges!!!

[Bala]

It's highly unrealistic for criminals to be able to be driving vehicles that advertise their amassed wealth because it'd be used against them in real life. Here, full time criminals will mostly drive the meta vehicles., because they want to have the best chance at a favorable outcome.

We have the police cars, for the criminals cars we have to chase.

As for the guns, we have the guns for the criminals we have. That being said, if you have any documented instances of people having heavy weapons out in situations that they should not, you should report it to the faction leaders.

As for looting dead or dying cops, that is probably one of the stupidest things that a criminal could do. You're not only going to murder a member of law enforcement, you're going to run around with the weapon belonging to one. Cops IRL make a really big deal out of police issue weapons being on the street. It invites an ungodly amount of heat upon someone.

As for the taser, they have the default range and unfortunately, players are not obligated to roleplay the effects of being tased, so quite often they have to be tased over and over.

As for pursuit maneuvers, there is a pretty logical and reasonable appropriate that is followed by almost all cops. There will be instances where people go rambo and make contact when they shouldn't but as ridiculous as you thinking a police vehicle hitting a car going 200 km/h is, it's a server where a lot of people will drive significantly over the speed limit.

This ain't real life and it's not heavy roleplay. It's not going to be heavy roleplay, it is what it is. We can tweak stuff, we can improve in some areas but this game is this game.

[Jett_J]

17 hours ago, penguinkibble said:

My gripe with law enforcement in this city: 

 

The Cars: 

it’s highly unrealistic for police officers to have access to super cars, and IRL, police are often in much slower cars than the suspects. Why do the police in this city have access to a maxed out Shinobi, that’s based off a 1200cc track bike with turbos slapped to it.  Police have the advantage of helicopters, multiple units, radios, etc. That’s how you egg the playing field with high speed chases, Police officers riding around on super bikes, Dirtbikes, and 1000hp Jugs make absolutely no sense. 

Is it realistic for almost every criminal to have a super car and 1200cc track bike and riding around on dirtbikes etc all the time?

17 hours ago, penguinkibble said:

Guns:

 Over the past few weeks, I’ve increasingly noticed more police officers walking around with fully automatic rifles on their backs. Not only is the rifle being fully automatic extremely unrealistic, but what police department has officers casually responding to calls with that kind of artillery equipped? They’re already equipped with high levels of body armor, to the point where a 1v1 gunfight with them is near impossible, I don’t see the need for them to casually be carrying these weapons without a long animation to unrack them from their cruisers.  Also, having the script set up so criminals can’t loot an officers body or cruiser for their weapon is extremely unrealistic. 

Is it realistic for criminals to roll around with an automatic rifle all the time?

17 hours ago, penguinkibble said:

Tasers:

 As if the 1000hp cruisers, the insane amounts of body armor, and the fully automatic rifles are enough, the tasers are absolutely ridiculous and make foot chases impossible. IRL, police call out multiple times before a taser is deployed, and the tasers OFTEN don’t work. (The leads get dragged by the wind, they don’t make clear contact with the skin, etc. ) police in this city have super tasers with long range and extreme accuracy that they deploy without warning to avoid any kind of foot pursuit, because god forbid they have to chase someone on foot and risk the chance of them getting away. 

Everyone in the game runs at the same speed so you cannot catch someone unless you taze them or block them with cars (usually this ends up with the suspect getting ran over because of desync)

17 hours ago, penguinkibble said:

Unrealistic pursuit maneuvers:

  Police in this city will put the public in danger, the suspect in danger, and use just about any dirty trick they can during pursuits and seem to have no fear for their own lives (The heavy armor probably helps that). Although I know it’s against the PDs policy, the amount of times I’ve been rammed off of my bike by a police cruiser is concerning and complete NRP. Lot’s of PDs won’t even pursue bikes, this PD has no issue risking everyone’s lives by trying to pit maneuver them at 200kmph

Is it realistic for suspects to drive at full speed everywhere without fear for their own lives? 

17 hours ago, penguinkibble said:

 

A lot of people I meet in the city and have met over the past few years have either left the city, or fly in way less often because of issues of police being grossly overpowered and it makes the RP for criminals lackluster. I’d like to hear community thoughts on some of these topics or maybe here from some PD themselves. 

 

I think you need to look at WHY LEO on this server has to use equipment the way they do. SD and PD are reactionary factions. They adjust their practices based off what criminals are doing. If criminals were using a car that some random criminal would use IRL (a regular sedan, maybe a muscle car occasionally), then SD and PD wouldn't have to have the bikes and cars they do. Even though SD and PD has these sports cars, sports bikes, off road bikes in the garage, they are all locked behind rank authority. For example, only supervisors+ can use a jugular. Only a specific deputy/officer rank can use sports bikes and BF400s.  The same goes for automatic weapons. SD and PD wouldn't have to roll around with heavy weaponry on their backs if criminals didn't have such easy access to them at very cheap prices. Additionally, automatic weapons are locked behind rank, and they are highly limited, at least in SD.

[Quietthecutie]

Look imma just come out and say it, and this may be the whiskey talking but sod it....

The amount of hypocrisy on suggestions like this is almost unbearable.

Lets be real, crims use multiple sportscars, sports bikes and high spec military vehicles to achieve their ends. they can, without warning or previous indication, suddenly strap on heavies and armour from their gloveboxes. They can call in whatever backup they like to set up ambushes, drops, tyre takes, whatever they like on a situation.

The very idea, that LEOs are OP cus they have access to decent vehicles (not great ones) and armour and shotguns is kinda total bullshit. crims have access to all this stuff at a very early stage. in order for an LEO to gain access to greater weaponry requires on average half a year of service in specific departments in an LEO faction. that is not a small amount of commitment. Not only that, but they can only deploy this in specific situations not caused by themselves, but by the situation they find themselves in.

Most people who put in suggestions like this do not have an LEO character. and it shows. because they make wildly unrealistic accusations as to what we are capable of. we are not robocops. we are not superhumans.

People will take a Hard L and then get oocly upset about that and take to forums but the truth for 95% of the situations that cause this is, it was of you or a secondary factions doing, you got beat and thats that.

and for christmas sake stop trying to compare LEOs as just another gang you should be able to war with and wipe. you should never seek a protracted fight with LEOs, if that happened IRL the national guard would be sent in. do you want national guard to be a thing in this city?

[XxTheIrishGuyxX]

I don't normally comment on these threads, as in my opinion nothing is going to change. These concerns have been stated over, and over, and over again, and no change ever happens. I just wanted to address a statement that was false. 

12 hours ago, PufferBulletin said:

Do you really think that admins do not monitor these situations? If every crim would feel this way they would start leaving the server in which DEV's/Admins would quickly react. The server is being balanced for many years

This is a false statement. Player count is a good gauge of the server health. And the player count in ECRP has been decreasing, and decreasing, and decreasing, for a long time. That is a statistical fact. Therefore, it is correct to say the server has been going downhill. The server peaked during covid at around 650 players (I believe that was 2021). Now the server struggles to get to 200 players on prime time during the weekends. So, who left the server? You guessed it! The vast majority of the players that left were crims. Why everyone left, is a topic for another day. But the question is, will the server continue to decrease in players, and continue going downhill? I guess we will see...

Devs at this point obviously don't care. They are focused on freelance jobs that nobody asked for. 

Admins do not step in, as it is not their place. They are there to enforce the rules. Not make it fair for crims or PD. And for full disclosure, most high staff are either in or formerly PD or SD. 

[Salvador Rivera]

5 hours ago, Bala said:

This ain't real life and it's not heavy roleplay. It's not going to be heavy roleplay, it is what it is. We can tweak stuff, we can improve in some areas but this game is this game.

If you say that this server will never be Heavy RP. Then why when I go to gov web does it seem to me that we plan to be an Ultra Heavy RP server?  I'm not against good roleplay. I've always tried to show the best.

When I go to Gov web I understand that we are creating or at least trying to create an Ultra Heavy RP. Why do I feel that way?

Because all those licenses that you have to wait for such an unnaturally long time. I have never seen a wep-license for myself in my life. I was clean for more than 12-13 months and they told me to go to hell. So where does our Heavy RP and Low RP standards begin and end. 

As well as all those courts and requests. It's cool that someone controls it all, but then when I go back into the server I should feel the same. Right?

I have to wait 3 months to get Heli lic? Seriously? Sounds like Heavy RP. Many people here have come to enjoy what they do here and most of those who start don't last more than a month. Why don't they last longer than a month? That's why there are people who cause them bad emotions and one of them is the LEO staff. Who have imagined something of themselves. 

The question is why those who play crim RP don't want to contact LEO staff at all? Because you will never expect anything good. The last time I enjoyed RP from LEO was a year ago or even more. 

And the biggest mistake that has been made is that they allow you to have gangs with your Crim characters and at the same time he goes in with someone else and is a LEO character. This thing simply ruins the quality of the entire RP. Why? There are a lot of situations when you know by the voice who he is and you feel OOC hatred towards yourself from them. 

 

12 hours ago, Quietthecutie said:

Jesus we just got done with the last one of these...lemme breathe...

Because nothing changes and no one wants to change anything. 

20 hours ago, penguinkibble said:

The Cars: 

it’s highly unrealistic for police officers to have access to super cars, and IRL, police are often in much slower cars than the suspects. 

Guns:

 Over the past few weeks, I’ve increasingly noticed more police officers walking around with fully automatic rifles on their backs. Not only is the rifle being fully automatic extremely unrealistic, but what police department has officers casually responding to calls with that kind of artillery equipped? 

Unrealistic pursuit maneuvers:

  Police in this city will put the public in danger, the suspect in danger, and use just about any dirty trick they can during pursuits and seem to have no fear for their own lives (The heavy armor probably helps that). Although I know it’s against the PDs policy, the amount of times I’ve been rammed off of my bike by a police cruiser is concerning and complete NRP. Lot’s of PDs won’t even pursue bikes, this PD has no issue risking everyone’s lives by trying to pit maneuver them at 200kmph

 

 

A lot of people I meet in the city and have met over the past few years have either left the city, or fly in way less often because of issues of police being grossly overpowered and it makes the RP for criminals lackluster. I’d like to hear community thoughts on some of these topics or maybe here from some PD themselves. 

Cars : Speaking of cars, I own several supercars as you call them and they go as fast as a LEO Scout. Funny, right? It would be right that a LEO Scout or any other patrol car would go max for example 200km/h and Super cars could even fly up to 300-320km/h Then those cars would make sense. We spend many millions for nothing.

This is not done because the cops wouldn't be able to catch us that way. It's not right from their point of view.

A couple of days ago I saw how 2 LEO characters were actively chasing someone in a car.  They decided to stop at the LSPD to exchange it for a new one in 3 seconds. I said I would make a Forum Report on them. But then I thought nothing would change. The answer will be that it is normal. But then the criminal, while avoiding the police, would decide to stop and trade his broken-down car for a new one., He would be banned for non-roleplay. no?

Guns : Speaking of LEO characters dressing up for regular patrol, it's pretty impressive. On the back they have M4A1-S,SCAR-L,M4A16 or something.  Show me where you've seen something like that? It seems like they're all scared of something every day.

Unrealistic pursuit maneuvers:  You are deam right about this . All those shootings that happen in public places and other things.

 

This is all my personal opinion about what I see every day playing here.

Edited April 15, 2025 by Salvador Rivera

[alexalex303]

The Cars:

 

Edited April 15, 2025 by alexalex303

[Salvador Rivera]

31 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

The Cars:

 

That's exactly how it should be. When police trash cans can't go as fast as this sports car. 

I see the point in that too. BUT BUT BUT - if they are being used for run then it would be much more expensive to get them out of impound. Like 100k or 150k for these sport/supercars easy.

This video touched my heart. That despair

Edited April 15, 2025 by Salvador Rivera

[Demonmit1]

1 minute ago, Salvador Rivera said:

That's exactly how it should be. When police trash cans can't go as fast as this sports car. 

yeah i agree. LEO's have numbers and coordination to find these guys, we dont NEED a perfectly equivalent car to a niobe. the problem is OP is claiming that law enforcement shouldn't have any vehicles capable of keeping up with an average sports car, and is saying the buffalo, shinobi, bf400, and jugular should be removed from LEO factions, which is ridiculous. 

[Bala]

@Salvador Rivera It’s pretty simple. The wait period for licenses is because we’re also not a light roleplay server and there are a few people, especially within GOV factions that think this should be a heavy roleplay server or that it should be realistic. 

No one said we were consistent.

Criminals want a more realistic Police Department but they don’t want more realistic consequences.

Would a criminal want a longer prison sentences? No. 

Would a criminal want, for example, us to add California’s three strike rule, where they could end up with life in prison for repeat offences? No. 

Would a criminal want a realistic speed cap on the vehicles so not everyone goes 200 kmh? No. 

So, what we are really saying in this thread is that criminals want it easier to do whatever they want, absent consequences. It’s not about realism, it’s about them winning.

If people think that PD is doing something they shouldn’t and they don’t report it to the faction, but come on here to bitch about it, with no evidence then what do you expect us to do about it? 

[Diligo]

4 hours ago, Bala said:

If people think that PD is doing something they shouldn’t and they don’t report it to the faction, but come on here to bitch about it, with no evidence then what do you expect us to do about it? 

Multiple witnesses' statements might lead the prosecution to build a case against an alleged criminal therefore starting an investigation of the said accused person. The mere existence of witnesses is enough evidence to start an investigation. In some cases one witness's statement is enough to persecute the defendant.

But I guess OP and every other thread is just imagining things and just complaining because they lost and have no logical reasoning behind their words.

I think the best solution to this would be to close any thread that has anything sligthly negative mentioned or insinuniated about any LEO faction so people are FORCED to go to the feedback section in the government website.

Like literally Admins insta locking any thread when there is something said that is negative about LEO's

Examples:

"Jason Steele is a..." CLOSED

"You know what, PD should.." CLOSED

"I think SD are doing a great job, but.." CLOSED

So yeah what do you think guys? No more stress or any need to take a breather and we can all live together happily ever after!!

Edited April 15, 2025 by Diligo

[Harveyyy]

4 hours ago, Bala said:

Criminals want a more realistic Police Department but they don’t want more realistic consequences.

I’d love to see some proof. Was there a survey, or are we just making assumptions now? Nobody’s asking for a fully realistic department, that’s not even possible in GTA. But there’s a huge gap between realism and outright absurdity.

4 hours ago, Bala said:

Would a criminal want a longer prison sentences? No. 

Proof? Was there a survey by chance, or are we just making assumptions now? Why are we always assuming the absolute worst about crims when they complain about things? Ever thought about why they’re bitching? I get it, prison is not supposed to be fun. But this is a video game. And in a video game, “fun” = engaging. Not an AFK simulator. But that's a different topic for a different day.

4 hours ago, Bala said:

Would a criminal want, for example, us to add California’s three strike rule, where they could end up with life in prison for repeat offences? No. 

Not even GTAW does that, lmao. My brother-man… this is a game. A GAME. PEOPLE WANNA PLAY. You’re talking about giving people digital life sentences like this is Death Row RP. Are you yanking my pizzle? HAHAHAHA

4 hours ago, Bala said:

Would a criminal want a realistic speed cap on the vehicles so not everyone goes 200 kmh? No. 

More assumptions to keep your narrative afloat. You’re not addressing anything that was actually said, just building strawmen to knock down.

4 hours ago, Bala said:

So, what we are really saying in this thread is that criminals want it easier to do whatever they want, absent consequences. It’s not about realism, it’s about them winning.

All the dude did was bring up valid concerns. And all you got from it is “crims wanna win.” Why am I not even remotely surprised? Hmmm...

4 hours ago, Bala said:

If people think that PD is doing something they shouldn’t and they don’t report it to the faction, but come on here to bitch about it, with no evidence then what do you expect us to do about it? 

People have been reporting things here, for years. Through all the “proper” channels, too. And nothing ever changes. You guys have access to the forums too so you can see it all no? You tell us to reach out, but every time we do, the outcome is the same, biased responses. It’s just damage control. You say “We’re here to listen” just to appear approachable, but in reality, you don’t give a crap about crims. Because if you did, we would’ve seen actual progress by now.

Also, what happened to that public PD announcement, the one that “mysteriously” poofed in the air? You know, the one where you said:

Quote

Firstly, we would like to clarify that we have not received any prompts, directive, or form of pressure from server management or legal faction management, be that formal or informal, to address or change aspects of how the faction operates.

That statement was a blatant lie and you knew it. The timing made it painfully obvious too. A bunch of PD detectives received several admin punishments from a “certain“ staff member, and magically, right after that, PD wants change? Come on. That entire announcement was made in bad faith because you literally started it with a blatant lie. I'm not sure how you thought people would actually believe that.. The reality of things is you weren’t being transparent. You were trying to protect your image, not fix anything. You said “we will start making amends“ etc etc etc. The only thing that was amended was the existence of the announcement.

And now it’s been deleted!! Shocker. Almost like you didn’t want people to remember what was actually said and the fake promises you made. The reality is, you still aren’t willing to admit that there are real, long-standing issues that need to be addressed, because if you were, we wouldn’t still be having this conversation.

Edited April 15, 2025 by Harveyyy

[Harveyyy]

2 minutes ago, Diligo said:

I think the best solution to this would be to close any thread that has anything sligthly negative mentioned or insinuniated about any LEO faction so people are FORCED to go to the feedback section in the government website.

Like literally Admins insta locking any thread when there is something said that is bad

Examples:

"Jason Steele is ..." CLOSED

"You know what, PD should.." CLOSED

"I think SD are doing a great job, but.." CLOSED

So yeah what do you think guys? No more stress or any need to take a breather and we can all live together happily ever after!!

Making them the judge, jury, and executioner is not the answer haha. People have the right to speak their minds. Remember that PD command are human so there will be a level of bias when handling cases.

[Diligo]

14 minutes ago, Harveyyy said:

Making them the judge, jury, and executioner is not the answer haha. People have the right to speak their minds. Remember that PD command are human so there will be a level of bias when handling cases.

but imagine silencing people speaking their minds. It might create a placebo effect and make people think that everything is actually quite nice. Also there would be an even bigger echo chamber for LEO's and they will all think they are doing a good job. Which for some PD's is true.

All I want is some drastic change but an easy one. Closing every thread would literally force people to pile up the desk of the IA and possibly overwhelm them so much that an investigation is needed.

Hear me out - Bala said it himself, they need evidence here to even think about a change, what if the IA doesnt even consider themselves responsible to even take these threads into consideration? They probably have a lot of work already and these forum posts are just out of their jurisdiction. Fart in the wind. If I was IA there, I probably wouldnt even go into the Discussions/Suggestion section in the forum assuming every negative thread about LEO is "bananas" because there is no ''evidence''

If we pile up the proper channels, we might force IA to make a statement or launch an investigation.

 

Lets close this and every thread that is negative about LEO's!!!!
Who is with me??

Edited April 15, 2025 by Diligo