FS 2.0 Tier System?

[surg3yy]

7 hours ago, Homast said:

Next gunfight we're in, i'm gunna watch you and see if you run into the middle of the area and call you out on it if you don't think that's the case.

This might be the funniest thing I’ve seen all day please spectate me as much as you want. You will be able to see the bs every person see when the play crim in 2024 fight low xp cheating ban evaders or un beatable pd!!!

[Johnny Ganja]

To be fair, both official and unofficial crews should start from scratch. With the current environment dominated by gangs and tenured players, new players have limited opportunities to get involved in crime. Many new players are already struggling to acquire firearms or equipment for chopping and cooking. With the implementation of the new system, their chances will be even slimmer . It's likely that any Arms Dealer will find it more beneficial to use their firearms personally rather than sell them.

The primary advantage I see in this new system is that it will encourage more roleplay interactions and dialogue rather than resorting to gun violence which makes more value to melee weapons.

However, this new system might also lead to OOC conflicts and an increase in reports, as players might try to get rival gangs demoted.

In the end, let's see where the ship will sail. 

 

[Marksy]

48 minutes ago, Johnny Ganja said:

To be fair, both official and unofficial crews should start from scratch. With the current environment dominated by gangs and tenured players, new players have limited opportunities to get involved in crime. Many new players are already struggling to acquire firearms or equipment for chopping and cooking. With the implementation of the new system, their chances will be even slimmer . It's likely that any Arms Dealer will find it more beneficial to use their firearms personally rather than sell them.

The primary advantage I see in this new system is that it will encourage more roleplay interactions and dialogue rather than resorting to gun violence which makes more value to melee weapons.

However, this new system might also lead to OOC conflicts and an increase in reports, as players might try to get rival gangs demoted.

In the end, let's see where the ship will sail. 

 

If anything the new system offers more chance for newer players and smaller gangs imo. 

[Spizor]

11 hours ago, surg3yy said:

1 skill doesn't win against shit that’s so unrealistically unfair you except crims to win against pd worh “skill” when a ak can’t even kill a cop with a full mag td you think a hp will do 

I am not gonna comment on the details of this topic because I don't play my criminal at the time of this release. But why does every update that criminals receive, always end up with LEO being brought up even if the OP didn't? Please enlighten me.

[Phantas]

9 hours ago, Bakmeel said:

 

What FM 2.0 provides are stepping stones for factions as they progress, instead of an all-or-nothing situation. Naturally, the less desirable items will be unlocked first. Additionally, it offers a way for factions that previously had a low chance of becoming official within a reasonable timeframe, due to their continuous questionable behavior on the server, to import items sooner.

 

 

W change 

[Demonmit1]

3 hours ago, DontSniffSugar said:

I mean this in the most respectful way, if you're that stressed over your members getting punishments, perhaps you should reconsider your faction members that represent what your faction strives for or teach them to be better.

couldnt have said it better myself

 

3 hours ago, surg3yy said:

So you have never broke a rule? Be so for real hun 

Over 10 months on the server, regularly playing crim, reasonably well known crim, doing banks, cooking, stores, fighting and killing people in the burgershot parking lot, etc. 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Odinn]

In my honest opinion, the tier system is good. The point of ECRP is Roleplay, not a constant shooting match. I have like 2 spoken toos and a warning for my actions in the course of almost 4 years of mainly only playing a criminal. 

Read the rules, Play by the rules. Its not difficult. This change is a showcase of Staff wanting proper RP, not just fights constantly. The priority should never have been about having guns. Dont get me wrong, its awesome having them, but at the same time, 9 times out of ten, what you can do with a gun, you can also accomplish with a knife. IE player 2 player robberies. Obviously, a hand gun is needed for banks, but you do NOT need a .50 for that, you can use the bloody ceramic pistol. 

 

As factions having LORE friendly imports. Think about what makes sense for your faction on a IC level. Shadows, should have access to heavy imports, why? Becouse they are a terrorist organization, constantly targeted by the government. Waterfellons? They arent at the throat of the gov, they only REALLY need to import small arms for the reason of robbing banks etc.

 

[Freyster]

God this thread is giving me braindamage, i feel like theres different groups of crims, casual crims, cop baiting crims, pvp crims, the crims that call themselves crims but never do anything criminal but lockpicking, there is such a wide variety of criminals and in gangs itself the main reported crims are the ones that fight the battle for the gangs.

About the rulebreaks:

I feel like when it comes to rulebreaks it should be based on severity as rulebreaks occur even randomly or without intention and punishing a 30 man gang for it is very rough.

In terms of the weapon and tier system:

As for the weapon import, i think moving the .50 pistol so far into the tier makes it unfair for even newer people as .50 is the pistol everyone uses and the argument of "then get good with a different pistol" is unreasonable. The .50 is the standard weapon of a criminal, it is determined by the player base that it works best in every scenario and there is no replacing it with just another weapon, thats how it would work in a normal scenario but not after it being established for years.

Now to the last part:

Saying "I play crim but my record is clean" is a wild statement considering the difference is that you have possibly broken a rule in someones eyes, it just hadn't been reported as there was no opposite gang being upset about them losing, burgershot is basically a bunch of randoms that break more rules than you can count on one hand so them reporting would possibly end up in a self report, however i might be totally wrong here and you are doing the things you do perfectly then that's amazing but i highly doubt it.

 

 

[Ranger]

A prime example of why nothing positive comes from these posts and nothing productive gets done is because multiple people play the "well I'm more crim than you" or "you're PD so you don't understand" arguments and skirt off from actual feedback or constructive conversation.

Although (to an extent) they may be valid on a personal level, please keep the topic on what was posted by the OP; nothing productive will come from redundant personal debates on who's the bigger crim and no feedback gets back to staff when we read forum ego battles, do better and keep it on topic - all sides.

[surg3yy]

2 hours ago, Spizor said:

I am not gonna comment on the details of this topic because I don't play my criminal at the time of this release. But why does every update that criminals receive, always end up with LEO being brought up even if the OP didn't? Please enlighten me.

Easy crims can no longer get guns to fight so there forced to just give up. It’s a point that’s been made 8 times now in this suggestion if you read it you would of saw.

ifs a cycle crims complain a change happens it makes what the crims complain about even worst.

[surg3yy]

I like the tier system I just feel like how it’s being implemented and what you get when you get it is off make 50s a tier 2 gun or sum make autos tier 4 and up or sum zhit like that I think change is good and needed just how it’s implemented is whats important. 

[Oveero]

+1

[Marksy]

28 minutes ago, Freyster said:

As for the weapon import, i think moving the .50 pistol so far into the tier makes it unfair for even newer people as .50 is the pistol everyone uses and the argument of "then get good with a different pistol" is unreasonable. The .50 is the standard weapon of a criminal, it is determined by the player base that it works best in every scenario and there is no replacing it with just another weapon, thats how it would work in a normal scenario but not after it being established for years.

With all due respect and what I feel a lot are not really willing to grasp with the new changes, yes the .50 is the meta pistol, yes it's the most desirable and used pistol currently, but answer me this, how do you currently get access to them? 

Through a very small amount of connected factions, so if .50's are going to be a Tier 5 item, how are you going to get them now? The answer is the exact same way you're getting access to them now, through relations with factions of a high tier. 

However the difference now is you'll be slowly working your way through the tiers YOURSELF as a faction at the same time now with the same system, giving you something to build and aim for while still using politics and relations and cultivating relations to get access to things you can't otherwise YET get, as I said in my previous post the time it'll take to get to Tier 5 will be significantly less than the time it took to get "Official" under the last Faction Management guidelines.

[tuccci]

-1. It'll be nice to see a more diverse arsenal of weapons on the server.

 

 

[Hubie]

-1, follow the rules.

[Quietthecutie]

Genuinely interested to see how this plays out. itll be nice to see more weapon variety.

[Tuco666]

-1 

I don't know why some of you are afraid of doing Roleplay instead of clapping all day long, it's a roleplay server after all.

Staff mentioned that something minor like a warning won't affect the faction, after all, they are here to help not to check boxes as they said before.

Take this as an opportunity to have a better recruitment process and to be careful on who you're selecting.

As others said before, the amount of time needed for a faction to get a .50 is the same or even less than before. So nothing really changed on this part, excepting now new factions are encouraged to exist and they benefith of some useful things. Currently, if you are not a member of Lost, Rooks, OTF or Envy, you still have to use your connections to get a .50, you'll do the same after the update, I don't see a problem here.

[Zion Willard]

+1

[Aryanbkh]

+1

[Vez]

As one of the current leaders of otf I like the idea of the tiers and everything I just don’t believe the 1 minimum punishment a month for a chance at a tier rank up is fair for a 30 person gang, also the forum wars between gangs now is going to go crazy to icly fuck each other over by oocly reporting and making them lose tiers, maybe the petty report system needs to go way more back into affect with stronger punishment for petty reporters, because you know there will be people that are going to chuck anything up on the forum to try and hurt other factions now always how the servers been and I see it getting worse with this system but other than that good system can’t wait to get into it and test it 

Edited July 8, 2024 by Vez

[Jokl]

With the new FM 2.0 it can take you (ish) 6 months to get to tier 5 where you can order 0.50's(if you do it all perfect)! 

If you compare it to FM 1.0, it could take up to 5-12 months + to even get T1 with F4 menu...and some more months to get import....

I dont think the goal with FM 2.0 was to make it easier to get meta gun imports. With FM 2.0 Its a fantastic tool to even get F4 menu, and all the stuff that allows you. From T2 you can start import some pistols and have turfs and as a new gang you can in teory get that in 2 months...

Getting the meta guns, AP and heavy imports should still be hard to get, so for me I understand it fully. 

 

The 2/3 punishments rule that is mentioned is something that can be a litle bit strict in my opinion, other than that I am looking forward to the next 2-3 months to see how this develops, bot OOC and IC! 

[AnakinB]

I only have a couple issues but my main issue is that the report thing is just gonna make petty reports more common to try and oocly fuck over the gang that u cant icly beat. 

[Freyster]

Just now, AnakinB said:

I only have a couple issues but my main issue is that the report thing is just gonna make petty reports more common to try and oocly fuck over the gang that u cant icly beat. 

This is also one of the concerns i see with it, while i agree that weapons etc are not that big of a deal now after reading some comments this is still something that most gangs will end up facing.

[HobGoblin]

This is one of the example of  poor RP standards and/or poor OOC attitude

 

• Participating in extensive, unwarranted, and unnecessary reporting with the aim of getting an opposing party in trouble for minor reasons.

Just an idea that the gangs could do to avoid this.

- Gang member has to approach command about the report

- Command can reach out to the other command to resolve the issue

- Command has to approve their members forum report before its posted

This could be as simple as having each gang discord as a community discord and use the channel settings to create something like this. It would take each gang command to be open for communication but it would be a healthy way to sort out issues between each other.

 

Edited July 8, 2024 by HobGoblin

[astrx]

If you're a quality faction where you keep your members in check you can get Official with imports and reach the .50 import tier a lot quicker than you could before, how people are complaining about it being quicker is baffling to me. The faction I am in took over a year to get imports and now that it's quicker to get for everyone is amazing.

"We have to pick our friends or a high tier gang", yes, yes you do. You want a gang that can import things that you want? Either make friends or get rid of the troublemakers to make your gang flourish. Adding the pointless negative point of having to choose your friends over a gang is silly. If you're friends don't want to sort their behaviour regarding the rules out, then they aren't following the same motives that you want for the gang, remove them.

People can discuss here as much as they want, everyone has the ability and validity to post their opinion on the topic(s) being discussed about, saying "I'm a bigger crim than you" or "if you don't play crim then your opinion is invalid" is extremely toxic and unnecessary. Additionally the fact that PD is being brought up here again is insane.

These changes are great as this actually makes gangs follow their lore, as opposed to getting imports and then dropping everything the gang was/was supposed to be. Too many gangs do this and now they will have to actually follow their lore. This also makes it so there is an actual reason to respect Official factions, instead of showing up with your 20 man clap crew with AK's to "intimidate" them. Make relationships with other gangs to get the items that you want, instead of beefing everyone because you can just get imports from someone else.

Essentially, If you want your gang to progress, keep your "friends" in line of the rules and faction motives and if they aren't willing to do that, then get rid. Weapons are overall easier to get than before, stop looking at a tier system and seeing that it takes time and then complain about it because you're not willing to put the work in. This is going to be good for the health of the criminal community and the longevity of it too. Actually allow some time for these changes to make their intended changes to the community and then see how it goes.