Rule about suspension of disbelief Re: People's Characters

[La Jodi Whittle]

Basically, I'm tired of 80% of "roleplayers" calling my character a tranny day in and day out. OUT OF THE BLUE. Randomly coming up to her. Theres literally a handful of decent people who will roleplay with me like a normal fucking human being.

My character isn't even trans. I mean what am i supposed to do? Not speak at all? Okay great - can we extend that to all the white boys who are clearly not black in real life, but roleplay black men and throw around the n word excessively? I just want to fucking roleplay my fucking character, a day without getting called a tranny IC, for no fucking roleplay reason. It's not realistic.

So it would be nice if there was a clause added in the rules for suspension of disbelief or something, regarding people's characters and voice mismatch etc. I really don't go around pointing out how supposed american characters sound like russians or all the whites roleplaying black people?

It's really making it not fun for me to roleplay my character at all. This happens to some of my friends too. 90% its unprovoked. 
And I'm not one to get offended, I'm not new to roleplay, I'm very good at separating OOC from IC and vice verse, I'm no "SJW" i just want to roleplay my stupid fucking character. I actually have a backstory for why her voice is that way but no one ever asks, the people who call her tranny clearly don't want to roleplay with me, they just wanna say a slur without repercussions. Lol. 

To clarify: I'm frequently interrupted by random people walking up to my character as she's mid convo with somebody else just to yell tranny or something related to it. I'm sorry but that's not even fucking roleplay, it certainly isnt fun for me or my friends. Frequently I'm faced with one solution and that's to walk away. From my own fucking roleplay situation. Because somebody heard me talking and thought it would be the greatest idea to start yelling slurs IC.

More on that really: There's a lot of crap that goes into gender recognition IRL. Women have deeper voices too...Some even sound like whole ass fucking men. So it's honestly just shitty roleplay and metagaming to assume my character is trans, and then force that upon me, preventing me from roleplaying my character how I want to - cause it's not like they care when she says "Hey I'm actually not trans at all"

I'm sure there are men who want to roleplay as girls out there, and ive actually met some around and nobody does that to them. So I think its not farfetched to assume these people are just bringing their OOC feelings into Roleplay. 

It would be nice if this server was a welcoming place to everybody, and everybody's character. Cause ATM, I don't feel like I can roleplay my character at all. 

Anyway sorry for swearing a lot! I'm just really frustrated. I joined maybe a month ago and every time I play I have at least 5 different people do this shit to me. 

Edited December 23, 2019 by La Jodi Whittle
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[alexalex303]

This is something of a polarizing subject. There's clearly a majority of people that do not want others to roleplay a female when they're male. There's a few people that pulled it off with less comments about them being "trannies" but I don't think anyone did it completely free of that kind of an attitude.

There was a thread about voice changers that quickly devolved into a thread about whether or not men should roleplay females on the server, that might be a worth a read since this is of interest to you: 

All in all, it doesn't seem like the community wants to be accepting of this kind of roleplay, and I'm not sure that adding a rule would fix anything. They could always call you other random insults if they don't like what you're doing.

 

[La Jodi Whittle]

2 minutes ago, alexalex303 said:

This is something of a polarizing subject. There's clearly a majority of people that do not want others to roleplay a female when they're male. There's a few people that pulled it off with less comments about them being "trannies" but I don't think anyone did it completely free of that kind of an attitude.

There was a thread about voice changers that quickly devolved into a thread about whether or not men should roleplay females on the server, that might be a worth a read since this is of interest to you: 

All in all, it doesn't seem like the community wants to be accepting of this kind of roleplay, and I'm not sure that adding a rule would fix anything. They could always call you other random insults if they don't like what you're doing.

 

Im not even a boy, just got a chainsmoker's voice. It's poor roleplay to be upset about something like that. It shouldn't be tolerated or allowed behavior in an RP server. It's quite literally mixing IC with OOC. I had to fill out a whole questionnaire just to be allowed on here and i'm honestly surprised 90% of people I've met somehow got accepted because they clearly dont get any of that  Some tolerance would be nice honestly but theres white people on here saying the n word with hard r and i can tell theyre ecstatic about it lmfao. So... i get what youre saying i guess. lol

[La Jodi Whittle]

By the way i'm not trying to force anyone to roleplay with anyone they don't want to roleplay with! In fact id HIGHLY prefer if people just didnt roleplay with me and or other people whos voice they dont find quite feminine enough/ or other bs reasons people hate on others for, instead of technically breaking IC/OOC mixing rules by harassing her/calling her slurs & forcing their own storyline onto MY Character (I literally get no say in any of it and nothing i say IC changes their mind at all, which sounds like powergaming too..lol). I just want to roleplay in peace. I've started avoiding specific people I assume would be irreverent dicks roleplay-wise, but i cant help people constantly butting into my roleplay with this bullshit. My character will literally be minding her business and some rando would come up yelling tranny...how is that realistic? But I guess at the very least, it makes me really appreciate the kind ones who just let me do my thing without incessant nastiness .

Edited December 23, 2019 by La Jodi Whittle

[gyrhnr]

I know plenty of guys who play as female and there's nothing wrong with it, just suck it up and move on. Don't try to change people's nature because you're hurt.

[kenichis]

Honestly yeah things like this sometimes piss me off. Its not really too related but to some extent also when people get banned and just assumes that he was "deported" even though it would make no IC sense.

Personally, I always call female characters ma'am, and male characters sir. No matter what OOC gender they are, unless they specify otherwise. Since I personally have two characters that don't match my OOC personality which is a black male and a really old guy. I could never do both of their voices so I just roll with it since my voice doesn't come anywhere close to how my characters are supposed to sound.

[Amaim]

I agree with you, that should be mixing IC and OOC anyways.

[Xoza]

While you shouldn't have too, you may want to add the following to your RP if you hear some of this OOC/IC mixing/metagaming harassment.

• /me would have the voice of a <age range> female.
• If it continues...
• /o You can call me anything else, but if you continue to call me <that> you can be reported for metagaming.

However, this can be legitimate and anyone can call you a name ICly if they want. It's that time they start making mention where it matters.

Below is an old topic I responded to about a similar thing and I still support it.

 

[Jasmine]

It can certainly be difficult at times. And I understand your pain. I have a house thats loud, and 2 kids running around, I couldnt use a mic if I wanted to. This topic applies as well to girl avatars using text. Which is one of the main reasons I rp on eclipse. 

I have certainly met my share of horrendous RP and both IC and OOC comments, insults and slurs. Still happens every few days. (Although it happens much less on Jasmine...who is recognozed in the community....then my alt...which is upsetting. You shouldnt need to be rich, on staff, and have 500k xp for people to act right towards you).

All that being said...there is a strong community of "diversity RPrs". People who's characters dont match their IRL personas or physical appearance. I have had a lot of success finding them, as well as the 100s of RPrs who accept wholeheartily all sorts of diversity. 

I wish we all could accept and be mature, caring RPrs. But its not realistic. What is real, though, is there are plenty of people willing to RP with anyone whos a good, decent person.

If you need to find them, stumble into Jasmine Gray in game, and we'll take care of you...

❤

Edited December 27, 2019 by Jasmine

[MrUntouchable215]

On 12/23/2019 at 5:55 AM, kenichis said:

Honestly yeah things like this sometimes piss me off. Its not really too related but to some extent also when people get banned and just assumes that he was "deported" even though it would make no IC sense.

Personally, I always call female characters ma'am, and male characters sir. No matter what OOC gender they are, unless they specify otherwise. Since I personally have two characters that don't match my OOC personality which is a black male and a really old guy. I could never do both of their voices so I just roll with it since my voice doesn't come anywhere close to how my characters are supposed to sound.

Exiled, deported, etc. It makes sense RPly in a sense that he's no longer in the city. I get what you're saying and you're correct, but at the same time, do you want me to act like my homie didn't exist? Hell naw.

[TheBrohman]

I know exactly how you feel!

Whenever I am on my main and meet someone he hasn’t met before, there is a 90% chance that they will make a comment about my voice or that my char is a woman / trans. 

Since this is also something I have dealt with a lot IRL I have learned to just ignore it and move on with my RP, mostly just telling them that I will leave it to them to figure out. 

I come from mainly text-based RP communities, where noone knows if you are male/female unless you/someone tell them. Which prevents most of these situations  

I also have a female character just for the fun of it. At the start a lot of the people I RP’ed with / RP’ed with those people, would call my char a tranny etc IC and even at times use /do to state that my char really was a dude, one way or another. This eventually stopped when I simply told them «Stop with the bullshit and mixing.» 

At the end of the day, I think that you just have to not care about it, or make a stand against those that do it, knowing that you OOC are the opposite Once you manage to not care about it, a whole world of fun RP will open itself to you, something I noticed in the criminal gang my female char was in. People there didn’t make any comments IC about it and OOC we all could have a good laugh about it. 

[Denza]

You're a male that has decided to take control of a female character (including the usage of voice chat), knowing full well that she will sound like a man, and you're surprised that people are automatically assuming she is transgender? Sorry, this seems like something you should have planned as soon as you created that character.

You have the following options imo

A) Stop using the character completely

B) Use a voice changer

C) Only use text based IC communication (unless a situation REALLY requires VOIP)

You have to deal with the fact that your character sounds manly, this isn't something you can simply avoid if you use VOIP.

 

As to whites roleplaying blacks, russians roleplaying americans, etc, same goes for them. If you cant deal with it, try to find a compromise.

[Denza]

The fact some people in this thread are saying its mixing IC and OOC is incredibly unbelievable.

Your voice represents your character. If I receive a phone call from a person that sounds like a man but is representing themselves like a woman, I will most definitely have my doubts about it.

[La Jodi Whittle]

On 12/29/2019 at 5:38 PM, Denza said:

The fact some people in this thread are saying its mixing IC and OOC is incredibly unbelievable.

Your voice represents your character. If I receive a phone call from a person that sounds like a man but is representing themselves like a woman, I will most definitely have my doubts about it.

Well first off I'm a girl I just dont have a typically feminine sounding voice lol. And I dont feel like depriving myself of roleplay because some people want to be assholes about it. Like i said in my original post, i made this a plot point in her character story. it wouldn't be a problem if people inquired about it. But coming up to me and yelling "tranny"  for minutes on end is not conducive to good, even DECENT roleplay whatsoever. Lmfao.

And if I have to sit here and endure a bunch of teenage whites using racial slurs VERY liberally (Yes boys! we can tell you're actually white lol), because they wanna indulge in their little rap fueled fantasies, then I think it isn't exactly asking much to expect the same type of respect and laissez-faire for myself and others in similar situations.

I think most people who roleplay on this server wouldn't like it if i started accusing every character whos voice doesnt match the persona (white boys roleplaying black men) of being a "cracker" or using a foundation shade that doesn't match their skin tone. Or pulling a Rachel Dolezal. Which I have done before, just to prove a point - it wasn't well received...Quelle surprise!

Implying I should handicap my game experience bc people can't roleplay properly is preposterous. It's not how roleplay works. It's called role and play for a reason 

[Denza]

2 hours ago, La Jodi Whittle said:

Well first off I'm a girl I just dont have a typically feminine sounding voice lol. And I dont feel like depriving myself of roleplay because some people want to be assholes about it. Like i said in my original post, i made this a plot point in her character story. it wouldn't be a problem if people inquired about it. But coming up to me and yelling "tranny"  for minutes on end is not conducive to good, even DECENT roleplay whatsoever. Lmfao.

And if I have to sit here and endure a bunch of teenage whites using racial slurs VERY liberally (Yes boys! we can tell you're actually white lol), because they wanna indulge in their little rap fueled fantasies, then I think it isn't exactly asking much to expect the same type of respect and laissez-faire for myself and others in similar situations.

I think most people who roleplay on this server wouldn't like it if i started accusing every character whos voice doesnt match the persona (white boys roleplaying black men) of being a "cracker" or using a foundation shade that doesn't match their skin tone. Or pulling a Rachel Dolezal. Which I have done before, just to prove a point - it wasn't well received...Quelle surprise!

Implying I should handicap my game experience bc people can't roleplay properly is preposterous. It's not how roleplay works. It's called role and play for a reason 

So, people think you sound like a guy. You just have to deal with it..???

[Amaim]

12 hours ago, La Jodi Whittle said:

Well first off I'm a girl I just dont have a typically feminine sounding voice lol. And I dont feel like depriving myself of roleplay because some people want to be assholes about it. Like i said in my original post, i made this a plot point in her character story. it wouldn't be a problem if people inquired about it. But coming up to me and yelling "tranny"  for minutes on end is not conducive to good, even DECENT roleplay whatsoever. Lmfao.

And if I have to sit here and endure a bunch of teenage whites using racial slurs VERY liberally (Yes boys! we can tell you're actually white lol), because they wanna indulge in their little rap fueled fantasies, then I think it isn't exactly asking much to expect the same type of respect and laissez-faire for myself and others in similar situations.

I think most people who roleplay on this server wouldn't like it if i started accusing every character whos voice doesnt match the persona (white boys roleplaying black men) of being a "cracker" or using a foundation shade that doesn't match their skin tone. Or pulling a Rachel Dolezal. Which I have done before, just to prove a point - it wasn't well received...Quelle surprise!

Implying I should handicap my game experience bc people can't roleplay properly is preposterous. It's not how roleplay works. It's called role and play for a reason 

I totally agree with you, but try doing something try binding a /do that would describe your looks clearly stating you are ICly a female and if someone present calls you a Tranny IC report him/her for Metagaming.. I think this should count as Metagaming.

Edited December 31, 2019 by Amaim

[Amaim]

On 12/29/2019 at 8:38 AM, Denza said:

The fact some people in this thread are saying its mixing IC and OOC is incredibly unbelievable.

Your voice represents your character. If I receive a phone call from a person that sounds like a man but is representing themselves like a woman, I will most definitely have my doubts about it.

That's not what 'roleplay' is, the concept of roleplay gives you the freedom to roleplay anything literally anything, be it any race, any gender or any age you want. due to the server being VOIP based that means your REAL OOC voice is gonna be used which doesn't have to be what you intend for your character to sound which shouldn't be used ICly. 

Edited December 31, 2019 by Amaim

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