LSPD - We Are Listening

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1 hour ago, Bala said:

You lost me at stunt jumps brother, i can't lie

What is wrong with stunt jumps exactly?

[HobGoblin]

10 minutes ago, moment said:

I mean if A person gets stopped for a traffic and a helicopter is already hovering above without any chance to be given, we can't really speak about realism. At the end there will always be a factor this is a video game and we need to consider whats fun and not.

I don't mean realistic as in compared to real life. I mean you wanting no helicopter on ANY normal pursuits is not a realistic ask. You have to think of it from both sides. Cops will not keep up with a lot of cars without the heli so you just want a free pass to do anything. There has to be some balance, you cant go from one extreme to the other.

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5 minutes ago, HobGoblin said:

I don't mean realistic as in compared to real life. I mean you wanting no helicopter on ANY normal pursuits is not a realistic ask. You have to think of it from both sides. Cops will not keep up with a lot of cars without the heli so you just want a free pass to do anything. There has to be some balance, you cant go from one extreme to the other.

Ah that's fair enough, in terms of LC cars etc, but in that case PD / SD have access to Banshee HSW correct if im wrong brotherman? So they can match high end vehicle against high end vehicle?

[Bala]

27 minutes ago, moment said:

What is wrong with stunt jumps exactly?

I really hope you're just baiting at this point, lmao.

[HobGoblin]

14 minutes ago, moment said:

Ah that's fair enough, in terms of LC cars etc, but in that case PD / SD have access to Banshee HSW correct if im wrong brotherman? So they can match high end vehicle against high end vehicle?

Cops can't patrol in the high speed units. They take time for someone to get out and catch up to the evading vehicle. I don't think people would like us in them all the time.

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1 minute ago, HobGoblin said:

Cops can't patrol in the high speed units. They take time for someone to get out and catch up to the evading vehicle. I don't think people would like us in them all the time.

Yeah but I'm pretty sure no one would mind once we get pulled over and you bring a high-end vehicle just incase an evade takes place rather then a helicopter up in the sky, I appreciate for the feedback and trying to see both sides fyi.

[MrSilky]

Ash, my man...if you fail to recognise change due to your blind sighted vision of what you feel should be happening, I don't know what to tell you. We have adapted a lot to the community we find ourselves in in 2025. You are a 'veteran' of the community, so I ask that you cast your memory back to 2021 and how intense gang suppression was from both PD and SD - that's almost unheard of these days even if you are one of the most violent gangs on the server.

The LSPD faction has self regulated so much, that in many situations now we are seen simply as NPCs there to enhance your roleplay without any consideration for the players in the LSPD faction and their enjoyment. We are tirelessly working to adapt and match the current environment - are you?

You can preach all the scary headlines all you want - "Cops have access to a banshee!" "Cops have 150AP!" "Cops have MK2 weapons!" but then you fail to understand the regulations and limitations of use.

The banshee can only be used against a list of 12 vehicles - all of which out perform the Banshee PD has as PD are limited on the modifications. And deployment of the Banshee is not allowed to be precautionary and can only be deployed after a situation has escalated to the point needed it. If a crim Niobe (for example) is pulled over and is suspected to evade soon, the Banshee can't even be driven out of the garage until the pursuit starts, at which point that cop likely won't catch up if the evading party is smart with their actions.

150AP is only available to less than 20% of the total roster (of 114 people), and of that 20%, it can only be used for specific circumstances and not general patrol.

Cops do have many different weapons, but again heavily regulated by rank and situation. You don't become a cadet and get handed an MG, you have to work hard, prove ability to follow regulations for (on average) 2-3 months, until you get your hands on any "heavy" weapons at all which at that point is the pump shotgun which again is heavily regulated situationally.

The LSPD faction does all this while trying to stay as true to lore as possible, can the same be said for the other side? Or maybe some self-reflection is necessary to consider why your interactions with PD appear negative, and if they are, is it due to them responding proportionally to your own actions, or was it actually something malicious - in which case you should report it to faction leadership, or via IA, something I note you have not done. 

The only comment of note I have picked up in the responses since your initial flame post was regarding the heli and deployment to certain situations and where restrictions could be placed in circumstances where a heli reasonably does not (yet) make sense to be overhead. We will happily take this away to review and consider, but please remember that the LSPD faction is reactive to your action - if a heli is overhead, 9 times out of 10 it's because it's genuinely needed to be there and is reasonable for it to be so.

[exaal]

4 hours ago, Bala said:

You lost me at stunt jumps brother, i can't lie

why tho? this is not real life and a lil jump is always more fun than driving in a straight line or doing some random ass turns. Not everything has to be realistic like it is IRL bro. making the server as close to IRL as possible is what is killing it.

Edited December 20, 2025 by exaal

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57 minutes ago, MrSilky said:

Ash, my man...if you fail to recognise change due to your blind sighted vision of what you feel should be happening, I don't know what to tell you. We have adapted a lot to the community we find ourselves in in 2025. You are a 'veteran' of the community, so I ask that you cast your memory back to 2021 and how intense gang suppression was from both PD and SD - that's almost unheard of these days even if you are one of the most violent gangs on the server.

The LSPD faction has self regulated so much, that in many situations now we are seen simply as NPCs there to enhance your roleplay without any consideration for the players in the LSPD faction and their enjoyment. We are tirelessly working to adapt and match the current environment - are you?

You can preach all the scary headlines all you want - "Cops have access to a banshee!" "Cops have 150AP!" "Cops have MK2 weapons!" but then you fail to understand the regulations and limitations of use.

The banshee can only be used against a list of 12 vehicles - all of which out perform the Banshee PD has as PD are limited on the modifications. And deployment of the Banshee is not allowed to be precautionary and can only be deployed after a situation has escalated to the point needed it. If a crim Niobe (for example) is pulled over and is suspected to evade soon, the Banshee can't even be driven out of the garage until the pursuit starts, at which point that cop likely won't catch up if the evading party is smart with their actions.

150AP is only available to less than 20% of the total roster (of 114 people), and of that 20%, it can only be used for specific circumstances and not general patrol.

Cops do have many different weapons, but again heavily regulated by rank and situation. You don't become a cadet and get handed an MG, you have to work hard, prove ability to follow regulations for (on average) 2-3 months, until you get your hands on any "heavy" weapons at all which at that point is the pump shotgun which again is heavily regulated situationally.

The LSPD faction does all this while trying to stay as true to lore as possible, can the same be said for the other side? Or maybe some self-reflection is necessary to consider why your interactions with PD appear negative, and if they are, is it due to them responding proportionally to your own actions, or was it actually something malicious - in which case you should report it to faction leadership, or via IA, something I note you have not done. 

The only comment of note I have picked up in the responses since your initial flame post was regarding the heli and deployment to certain situations and where restrictions could be placed in circumstances where a heli reasonably does not (yet) make sense to be overhead. We will happily take this away to review and consider, but please remember that the LSPD faction is reactive to your action - if a heli is overhead, 9 times out of 10 it's because it's genuinely needed to be there and is reasonable for it to be so.

Hey, 

First of all thanks for the feedback.

I want to also make it clear this is not coming from a flaming agenda or any of that sort towards LEO factions. Infact I've made some good friends from it. This is coming from dissapointment, repetitive roleplay and actual back and fourth fiesta of win mentality from both sides. This is coming becomes obviously ECRP grew fond of me throughout the years since I spent quite alot of time on it and only wanted to prosper and obviously as any other member of the community to enjoy it more.

Now onto your points, yes obviously there was change from the server from 2021 to 2025 due to script, rules changes and even shift in the community. If you were to ask some of the veterans or even some people in the community are they happy with the current stage were we are it would be a simple NO. Yes there was gang suppressions and was worse than it is right now but by fixing one thing we made another thing worse in my opinion. I could yap and mention all the complaints but thats why I suggested my initial post to host a community meeting to hear everyone thought's. Did I enjoy it more back in 2021? Heck yes, there was simplicity, it felt like actually roleplay, my actions had consequences and everything around mentioned in my criminal roleplay post.

I don't see why the mention of AP as I never mentioned any of that sort because I knew there was limitations was never issue on my end to be fair but yet again I think other people were complaining at the time because there was never any clear view when a complain arises.

The main issue is at hand is the roleplaying we are recieving, I've been here for quite long now and you know me quite well, wouldn't you get tired. You login, kick the gas a bit to enjoy your vehicle or driving around the city, you get pulled over and since you are a "highly top criminal top of the food chain" get asked to step out of the vehicle and obviously search you and get arrested. Heck god forbid I keep my phone on all the day, I would get insta traced and etc, it's like you can't breathe? The answer to you did the roleplay change? Did it get better from LEO side? No it did not, it always results the same.

The many roleplay and intense moments there were back then because you stood a chance, prison breaking and having a chance to get your member of the gang out of a jail or pursuit. Nowadays we can't do that, we simply can't unless its dead hours. We cannot fight our way out, we cannot escape our way out and we cannot even do setups to help our friends as well. LEO has taken every capability of escaping and made it 95 percent harder. You lose the ground units? There's a heli above. You try to battle your way out of it, 20+ LEO pull up. You do a bike setup or a vehicle drop for someone? LEO instantly rams the bike and doesn't give a chance to continue a cheeky chase for fun. Of course every action from LEO is reactive, it's quite common sense. At the end of the day the main goal for anything on the server is to enjoy ourselves from both sides. I mean it's infront of your own eyes the decrease of criminal activity in general and population wise as well.

Regarding the vehicle pursit, I personally do not mind if you match the evading vehicle with the same vehicle. I think people would definetly prefer it than a heli tagging you all the time. Obviously I respect all the hard work through out the years you have did for the server and LEO and tried to help in your on way.

"We will happily take this away to review and consider, but please remember that the LSPD faction is reactive to your action - if a heli is overhead, 9 times out of 10 it's because it's genuinely needed to be there and is reasonable for it to be so."

That would be amazing, for me the heli should only be deployed for bank jobs or big criminal activities, not for a traffic stop or a simple evasion. 9/10 I always see the heli up in air when an evasion is taking place.

I would also like to mention I have never ever disagreed with how LEO works in terms of weaponry and such. I know there's limitations and restrictions which how it should be and never said otherwise.

If you would like to have a further, in-dept conversation with myself or the rest of my gang you can reach out on discord to hear our feedback. Thanks.

[exaal]

2 hours ago, HobGoblin said:

I don't mean realistic as in compared to real life. I mean you wanting no helicopter on ANY normal pursuits is not a realistic ask. You have to think of it from both sides. Cops will not keep up with a lot of cars without the heli so you just want a free pass to do anything. There has to be some balance, you cant go from one extreme to the other.

Have you played any RP server in the past 1-2 years other than ecrp? because Ive been on like 5 different servers and asking for no helli or no bikes or anything is not considered a "Not realistic ask" as you say. the problem is the whole PD SD or whatever LEO faction there is is just killing the server with their Play to Win mentality.

[HobGoblin]

2 hours ago, exaal said:

Have you played any RP server in the past 1-2 years other than ecrp? because Ive been on like 5 different servers and asking for no helli or no bikes or anything is not considered a "Not realistic ask" as you say. the problem is the whole PD SD or whatever LEO faction there is is just killing the server with their Play to Win mentality.

I have and all them servers have BALANCED vehicle classes, so the cop vehicles can switch to catch up with faster cars and slow down for slower cars. The point is irrelevant. If you want to go about things the correct way you should make RP feedbacks with real situations from this server.

[exaal]

Just now, HobGoblin said:

I have and all them servers have BALANCED vehicle classes, so the cop vehicles can switch to catch up with faster cars and slow down for slower cars. The point is irrelevant. If you want to go about things the correct way you should make RP feedbacks with real situations from this server.

why not balance the PD and crim cars on ecrp then?

[Smoke1]

i have 0 problems with the current car balance, just because someone owns a fast car doesn't mean they know how drive it.

no issues when leo had a niobe also, lfm and the police staff have policies in place to mitigate any OP issues with cars. it only makes sense if they are chasing a niobe or omaggio using a high speed vehicle and chopper makes complete sense 

[Trevor Zelias]

I have read a bit but wanted to ask something to you @MrSilky  , Now when K9 is hardly used and all those things. Have you guys started enforcing the entire "get out the car" "step off the bike" meta? Can't lie and I've seen it from my view WAY more often now. Even on some of my gang members that do not have any criminal record and such just because they have "red" undershirt. 

Im not sure if you have noticed and seen that more from the LEO side if not I would like to get some closer look at that because since now they started using that if it is someone they don't like or if they speed a bit over 90+ (This is still from my view of it might not be so?). Instead of having the OP K9 system they used to do.

 

Also, not sure if you can have a word to SD about this. But I can clearly say that PD is doing AMAZING CHASES NOW INSTEAD, I love having 10-40 min chases instead of rammed instantly and/or shot I've had some of the greatest moments in a long time ECRP could even be considered the best moments with it. Untill SD do appear and ram in the city defeating the whole thing with it being dangerous in the city to pit. I really hope you can also get some words and get some things towards SD where it gets more smooth with the rules between the factions or have a OOC meeting with them trying to make the same rules on both LEO factions and what not

Again I'd like to say PD have improved a lot and still is improving and need some improvement ofc. And we as Illegal Factions need it as well. Also about gang unity thingy i think GND I would like to have some closer look at them as of lately PD have been harassing more gangs around MNC HQ which do include Waterfelons, Bratva, ESM and couple of more that I've heard rumors about but can't say to a 100% but those others I have spoken to them myself, I do see PD rolling around our HQ at Bratva, ESM and doing /floatdingdo "dead gang" on their PD character, (Dean Molloy) at our gate. Which is hella NRP and unneeded from a person that have been in PD for a long time and now is in MNC and clearly have IC issues with us there. I have seen many more members of MNC that are in PD gang unit be at HQs doing stuff that otherwise before the whole rule "you cant be in a gang if you are in GND(if its called that?). got removed.

 

And this does not go to EVERYONE IN PD / MNC, but many of the people that are doing it are not sneaky about it and I don't want to start any OOC drama between me and the people that feel offended in this but rather put my view out there for Silky to check at it. And take a consideration about the whole rule removal of that since I have heard from others that the "GND profiles that are created", are from THEMSELFS in the gov forum (can be a lie but I have seen one of the pictures of it). Also with this rule being taken away from the PD where other people in PD can join a gang and such does that not defeat the whole purpose of the gang unit and detectives building casefiles on different gangs to get them in trouble when they are mostly Mid Night based. I feel the casefiles don't get written on them at all since they can't really split themself into 2 people and make their own casefiles. I feel this is really unfair towards other gangs in many ways.




Sorry for the yapping if anything needs to be clearer what I meant go ahead and tell me and this is no hate towards anyone in either PD/SD and GND and MNC. Just want to have the view from Silky and see his take on this and others also that might be in one of these factions/situations. So go ahead and reply and let's have a calm talk and see our differences instead of arguing in-game and getting stuff misunderstood between all sides. Also if you wanna message me on Discord about different things that you don't want to message here go ahead and PM me "DarkBlueCow".  

Edited December 22, 2025 by Trevor Zelias

[Mrpyth0n33]

I can honestly say that pd hae been better at alot of things, the two things that bother me however is that a traffic stop ALWAYS turns into a search and seizure, why can a traffic stop not be treated exactly as such, and the other thing is ,and not just once,  go to my apt, for whatever reason whether i go stash something or died and go grab stuff (food, gps,radio etc) sometimes even go afk for a few to grab a snack or something, i come outside and there are 5+ SD officers waiting by my car, for what? Claiming they witnessed me go inside with a heavy weapon, like what????? And search me find nothing and leave i ask them what is the probable cause or reasonable suspicion and they claim im wearing an otf jacket and have a bag that i did not have when i went in, is any of that a crime? It becomes cringe and unfun when these things happen, camping an apt block where both legals and crims live waiting for anyone wearing gang clothing to search and probably raid them on the fact they went inside the apt, what if i logged out in there? Would i get raided as they "saw me run in with a heavy weapon"

Edited December 22, 2025 by Mrpyth0n33

[AnnoyingOne]

4 hours ago, Mrpyth0n33 said:

i come outside and there are 5+ SD

Mate this is a PD thread, I know that some people have a hard time differentiating that PD and SD is not the same, so I will just let you know that SD is not PD

[Mrpyth0n33]

4 hours ago, AnnoyingOne said:

Mate this is a PD thread, I know that some people have a hard time differentiating that PD and SD is not the same, so I will just let you know that SD is not PD

Pd has done the same hence why i said not just once, the other times it was pd, i just went more in depth with the 1 SD interaction thats all , and since pd and SD now are basically one, sharing radio freq and all that in the city, it doesnt matter who i went in depth with 1 time was SD the other times were PD, I also started the reply with PD have been doing better and the traffic stops are all PD so.. 

Edited December 22, 2025 by Mrpyth0n33

[AnnoyingOne]

14 minutes ago, Mrpyth0n33 said:

and since pd and SD now are basically one, sharing radio freq and all that in the city

PD and SD don't actively share a radio freq. That was a experiment for one weekend where PD and SD operated as a joint faction. Due to a various feedback, both internally from PD/SD and externally from other factions, this has been put on the sidelines.

 

As for stop and search, Officers doing so have a probable cause. And just a note, any officer can ask you to step out of your vehicle, not just GND. If you are being asked to step out, that doesn't mean you are being searched.

[MrSilky]

Firstly, appreciate the feedback and response.

14 hours ago, Trevor Zelias said:

Im not sure if you have noticed and seen that more from the LEO side if not I would like to get some closer look at that because since now they started using that if it is someone they don't like or if they speed a bit over 90+ (This is still from my view of it might not be so?). Instead of having the OP K9 system they used to do.

I can't say I have noticed it personally. I was under the impression it was actually less than it used to be. If you have any examples of misuse of this tactic then please forward some context and evidence and I'll review it. But like @AnnoyingOne said, if they are getting you out for a search etc, then it is done with probable cause so I'd assume there is more context, and if not it would potentially be misconduct that should be reported.

14 hours ago, Trevor Zelias said:

Also, not sure if you can have a word to SD about this. But I can clearly say that PD is doing AMAZING CHASES NOW INSTEAD, I love having 10-40 min chases instead of rammed instantly and/or shot I've had some of the greatest moments in a long time ECRP could even be considered the best moments with it. Untill SD do appear and ram in the city defeating the whole thing with it being dangerous in the city to pit. I really hope you can also get some words and get some things towards SD where it gets more smooth with the rules between the factions or have a OOC meeting with them trying to make the same rules on both LEO factions and what not

I have no say over SD and their operation/tactics. But I do appreciate the positive feedback about PD. We also enjoy the chases and we see no value to anyone by ending them prematurely. The ironic thing is, very few people in PD actually enjoy the arrest procedure, so it benefits everyone to be more open to leniency and less escalating. 

14 hours ago, Trevor Zelias said:

Again I'd like to say PD have improved a lot and still is improving and need some improvement ofc. And we as Illegal Factions need it as well. Also about gang unity thingy i think GND I would like to have some closer look at them as of lately PD have been harassing more gangs around MNC HQ which do include Waterfelons, Bratva, ESM and couple of more that I've heard rumors about but can't say to a 100% but those others I have spoken to them myself, I do see PD rolling around our HQ at Bratva, ESM and doing /floatdingdo "dead gang" on their PD character, (Dean Molloy) at our gate. Which is hella NRP and unneeded from a person that have been in PD for a long time and now is in MNC and clearly have IC issues with us there. I have seen many more members of MNC that are in PD gang unit be at HQs doing stuff that otherwise before the whole rule "you cant be in a gang if you are in GND(if its called that?). got removed.

If you have any evidence, or further context, please report this as it is not something we stand for and if this is happening it should be addressed.

14 hours ago, Trevor Zelias said:

And this does not go to EVERYONE IN PD / MNC, but many of the people that are doing it are not sneaky about it and I don't want to start any OOC drama between me and the people that feel offended in this but rather put my view out there for Silky to check at it. And take a consideration about the whole rule removal of that since I have heard from others that the "GND profiles that are created", are from THEMSELFS in the gov forum (can be a lie but I have seen one of the pictures of it). Also with this rule being taken away from the PD where other people in PD can join a gang and such does that not defeat the whole purpose of the gang unit and detectives building casefiles on different gangs to get them in trouble when they are mostly Mid Night based. I feel the casefiles don't get written on them at all since they can't really split themself into 2 people and make their own casefiles. I feel this is really unfair towards other gangs in many ways.

The casefiles exist for MNC and they are actively updated. The majority of members in GND are not in MNC and do not have criminal alts.

 

[Sico]

On 12/22/2025 at 9:56 AM, Trevor Zelias said:

And this does not go to EVERYONE IN PD / MNC, but many of the people that are doing it are not sneaky about it and I don't want to start any OOC drama between me and the people that feel offended in this but rather put my view out there for Silky to check at it. And take a consideration about the whole rule removal of that since I have heard from others that the "GND profiles that are created", are from THEMSELFS in the gov forum (can be a lie but I have seen one of the pictures of it). Also with this rule being taken away from the PD where other people in PD can join a gang and such does that not defeat the whole purpose of the gang unit and detectives building casefiles on different gangs to get them in trouble when they are mostly Mid Night based. I feel the casefiles don't get written on them at all since they can't really split themself into 2 people and make their own casefiles. I feel this is really unfair towards other gangs in many ways.

I would genuinely love for you to be with us in MNC for just one day so you can see what PD/SD do to us and how they treat us. I can assure you all of us follow the server rules and, our alt characters being in pd has made no difference whatsoever. I am 100% certain that we have casefiles on all of us (as we can tell by the way GND is onto us daily) and that they are constantly updated. 

[NEO77]

listening what? everytime i'm getting pull over no chance to talk like they want to put u in jail that's it put in gun on your head so make sure if u evade they gonna report u for fearp rp that's it lowkey. and they have insane car like vigero which is 240 without hsw mod as well and 99% of cops don't care about speed limit they do over 150 and when they see u they gonna pull u over and box and acting tuff as well u can see it in my pov how pd disrespectful to talk with and saying idk which city u came from we don't like that which is mean other server and if u are pd and had a bad day just don't come to server or clocking on this day that's it like i'm tryna have fun and they just gonna kill the fun i want to talk and he is keep being weird to talk with then when they cuff u they acting like crim guy not pd tbh and there is pov as well 

 

 

[Bala]

23 minutes ago, NEO77 said:

listening what? everytime i'm getting pull over no chance to talk like they want to put u in jail that's it put in gun on your head so make sure if u evade they gonna report u for fearp rp that's it lowkey. and they have insane car like vigero which is 240 without hsw mod as well and 99% of cops don't care about speed limit they do over 150 and when they see u they gonna pull u over and box and acting tuff as well u can see it in my pov how pd disrespectful to talk with and saying idk which city u came from we don't like that which is mean other server and if u are pd and had a bad day just don't come to server or clocking on this day that's it like i'm tryna have fun and they just gonna kill the fun i want to talk and he is keep being weird to talk with then when they cuff u they acting like crim guy not pd tbh and there is pov as well 

We listening but can a homie get a full stop or a comma, a fuckin semi-colon or something.

[DaddyShrood]

bro speeds, refuses to show a license and gets arrested, am I missing something?

[Eliza]

6 hours ago, NEO77 said:

listening what? everytime i'm getting pull over no chance to talk like they want to put u in jail that's it put in gun on your head so make sure if u evade they gonna report u for fearp rp that's it lowkey. and they have insane car like vigero which is 240 without hsw mod as well and 99% of cops don't care about speed limit they do over 150 and when they see u they gonna pull u over and box and acting tuff as well u can see it in my pov how pd disrespectful to talk with and saying idk which city u came from we don't like that which is mean other server and if u are pd and had a bad day just don't come to server or clocking on this day that's it like i'm tryna have fun and they just gonna kill the fun i want to talk and he is keep being weird to talk with then when they cuff u they acting like crim guy not pd tbh and there is pov as well 

I don’t wanna be that person, but this one’s kinda on you. You probably would’ve been fine if you just kept flooring it instead of doing everything possible to hand them a reason. You blasted past an officer doing like 200 through the city, let them catch up, let them follow you, turned on cruise control, refused to comply, and mocked him. And now you’re upset that you got arrested for driving recklessly? Yeah, PD/SD have issues, no one’s denying that, but people like you are just as big a part of the problem. You weren’t "given no chance to talk," you created a situation where talking was never going to happen. You basically put the arrest on a silver platter and then got mad when they took it.

Edited January 21 by Eliza

[sNo0BbZz]

alot of good points were made in this post.

I do think PD has significantly improved from the last time I played on the server, A prime example is hostage banks and being able to actually negotiate and leave since you have leverage, thats pretty good. 3 years ago you would be sprayed the second that hostage leaves ur immediate vicinity.

Heli restriction is probably my only recommendation, heli losing routes exists ofcourse but they are easy for the pilots to learn and over time they become kinda redundant, so maybe heli should be authorized for specific critical situations like code 1s and stuff.