Lower the jail time

[DawidG103]

Hello, I have been playing the server for a few weeks and I have been arrested a few times but only with short jail sentences, today I got arrested and I HAD 4 FUCKING HOURS IN JAIL. what the actual fuck do you think I am gonna do in jail for 4 hours? I do not want to be rude, I am just being honest with what I think, I understand there are things to shorten the sentences but what if some people are just not willing to spend money or do not have the time, etc on this stuff, I think the developers of the server should consider people's time and perhaps make jail time lower because it's just jarring spending 4 hours doing absolutely nothing or doing the same thing like laundry and litter like I'm playing a roblox simulator. I think a lot of people would agree with this, they would rather be outside of jail and engaging in other active rp situations rather than rotting inside of a prison for so long. All sides of roleplayers can definitely benefit from this, criminals, civilians and cops as it just allows them to get involved with more roleplay scenarios. thank you for reading this and have a nice day.

Yours sincerely
Benny the dark knight shadow walker crimson blade ghost of the battlefield wraith menace Carter

Edited August 20, 2025 by DawidG103

[PompeyLeon]

Valid tbf

Love The Name x

Thanks.

Leon

[Eliza]

The max prison time if you can afford the fines is 3 hours, the only times you’ll get more is whenever you can’t afford the fines.

The prison times now are a lot better than they used to be. In the past there was no cap at all on how long you could be in there for.

Your time also goes down an hour every 12 hours you’re offline.

[Requiem]

To add onto what Eliza said, many people with VIP perks will have their time lowered from 180 minutes down to 108 minutes for their max sentence. Lowering times further mitigates any risk from doing criminal activities and that would not be healthy for the server. 

[RJThompson]

3 hours ago, Requiem said:

Lowering times further mitigates any risk from doing criminal activities and that would not be healthy for the server. 

i think it would be much more healthy if im honest, because people will be doing alot more crime. which means more fun for PD and more arrests and fun for everyone involded man. id love a example for how it would be unhealthy? no trying to start a argument just a nice debate on how it could cause issues in RP as such! genuine question brother

[Toxine]

5 hours ago, Requiem said:

To add onto what Eliza said, many people with VIP perks will have their time lowered from 180 minutes down to 108 minutes for their max sentence. Lowering times further mitigates any risk from doing criminal activities and that would not be healthy for the server. 

It could be rebalanced with Less time, but more costs in fines. 

At the end of the day, people play the game to have fun, by minimizing the amount of time they stay in jail, you will increase the amount of time they are actually interacting with other people in the server. 

We can all agree that the playerbase is ~200, you will have around ~10 people at DOC/MRPD/SD during that time. That's basically 5% of the playerbase that is locked within 4 walls. 

The player count is not what it used to be; therefore, certain rules and standards need to be revisited to conform to the new player count/trend. What work in 2021, will not necessarily work in 2025.

With that being said, making fines cost more (for x, y, z crimes) you will indirectly push these players into grinding more once they are out of jail (which is going to be less time than before). 

This fixes a lot of issues with the server. 

1) Money sinks for people that are "rich" (I genuinely have no use for money anymore, besides guns/show cars, so making me lose money incentivizes me to keep working.)
2) Less time in DOC
3) Provide a reason for people to keep grinding.

[Requiem]

In my opinion, the solution is not to reduce jail/prison time, but to fix the issues of DOC. Create more activities in general so its not just everyone sitting AFK. Specifically, add more creative ways to allow inmates to earn stamps, and make those stamps worthwhile to trade in for time reductions. This gives the best of both worlds where it creates RP and activity in DOC so it doesn't feel bad to be sent there, it gives more for the DOC faction to do, and it allows criminals a way to either reduce their jail time, or make a bit of money to pay for the fines if they prefer that instead. 

Quite some time ago, Chunder created a DOC improvements suggestions mega thread that had lots of great ideas. I am sure Bala had quite a few DOC topics in several of his larger suggestion topics as well. Some of these ideas just need to be put in place, and perhaps that can start with community support by going back to those suggestions and supporting them. 

https://forum.eclipse-rp.net/topic/107252-sadoc-improvements-thread/

[Demonmit1]

100% agreed, coming from a LEO perspective.

I'm gonna try and bring this up ICly through LRC. my goal is to reduce all jailtime charges in half or so, while making the fines like 3x more. the current system of a max time of 180 minutes incentivizes players to "go out with a bang" if they have enough possessions to already get them a max jail sentence, so why not hop out and see how many cops you can shoot and take down with you? Horrible mentality for an RP server, but thats just where we're at these days. the modifers mean nothing since the maximum sentence is so low, and more people would quit crim if the prison time was increased. the solution is what @Toxinejust said, reduce time, but increase charges. it creates a money sink for the already massively inflated server, and encourages people to get out there and do more jobs/crime to rebuild their money if they get caught. 

[Toxine]

6 hours ago, Requiem said:

In my opinion, the solution is not to reduce jail/prison time, but to fix the issues of DOC. Create more activities in general so its not just everyone sitting AFK. Specifically, add more creative ways to allow inmates to earn stamps, and make those stamps worthwhile to trade in for time reductions. This gives the best of both worlds where it creates RP and activity in DOC so it doesn't feel bad to be sent there, it gives more for the DOC faction to do, and it allows criminals a way to either reduce their jail time, or make a bit of money to pay for the fines if they prefer that instead. 

Quite some time ago, Chunder created a DOC improvements suggestions mega thread that had lots of great ideas. I am sure Bala had quite a few DOC topics in several of his larger suggestion topics as well. Some of these ideas just need to be put in place, and perhaps that can start with community support by going back to those suggestions and supporting them. 

https://forum.eclipse-rp.net/topic/107252-sadoc-improvements-thread/

The topic made by Chunder is a masterpiece, questions asked.

But the main issue isn't going to be tackled solely by implementing additional features in the DOC system.

I'm a player that plays exclusively on crim, I genuinely spend 2/3 hours a day imprisoned. And i understand that those are the consequences of my actions, but it comes to a point where even though I would like to be on the server, I literally have to go AFK in DOC and go do some other IRL stuff just so I can pass the time.

It's not very healthy to be able to prevent players from playing a game, just because they decided that they prefer being a criminal instead of being an LEO.

Especially since that isn't even balanced, there's no downside in being an LEO, but that's a different topic.

As a professional DOC prisoner, and an avid stamp enjoyer. I can tel you that my idea would unanimously be agreed upon by the vast majority of DOC prisoners. 

If anyone high up enough sees this message:

How to make DOC feels not-so-shit to be in

1) Cut prison time in half (or more).

2) Remove MRPD and SD jails, send everyone at DOC. So the population inside is larger.

3) Increase the fines (non violent charges could stay in the general area, violent charges should be punished severely)

4) Stop the DOC timer if a player goes AFK, so people will stop acting like fentanyl addicts at DOC and some proper RP can be done

5) Add activties, sometimes it's just so dead around the city that being at DOC in a closer space is way better, as youre pretty much forced to interact with other inmates and guards. 

6) Make it so the highest amount of time possible (VIP or not) is around 90 minutes, but fines scale infinitely. If you get charged enough, you can get generational debt. (One of our members got jailed for 4 hours, tell me how that is enjoyable please).

7) Implement the same system used at impound. If you ring the guards, if nobody shows up within 3 minutes, you can reclaim your legal locker. I'm so annoyed when you finished a 2 hour sentence, and theres nobody to give you your stuff back, do you have to go spend another 5k on Mask, radio, gos, gloves.

8.) Make Jailbreaks less strict. Yes i understand it's a big ask, but it's a game for the love of god. You know how much happier guards, cops, and criminals will be if theres jailbreaks happening more often? How much more RP for everyone it would be? Gun fights, investigations, checks, bribery, all that stuff.

I know that these will most likely fall in deaf ears

[DaddyShrood]

The sentences don't need decreasing, the ability to reduce your sentence while incarcerated is what needs changing. Stamps need to actually be worth something when it comes to reducing time and not merely just being a way of helping pay your fines off. 

DOC has it's place within the server and the community at large however it has been horrendously neglected over the years if you compare it to most other things. If it was far more fun for both inmates and guards you probably wouldn't have half the issues with not being able to retrieve your items etc.

[imran]

i think it will be better, if we set the limit of jail time into 1hour, and 20k max fines(+tickets)

i've been in jail 3hous couple times, and i can say that i just left my pc idling waiting for the rest of the night, which was not fun at all.

but for now, ic jail is an OOC punishement to players with no VIP perks.

Edited August 29, 2025 by imran

[Bala]

Not gunna lie, there is going to come a point where we put people in prison for 30 minutes and people will still be asking for the time to be reduced.

It's not the time you spend there, it never was. It's that the prison experience is fucking terrible. and when I asked the criminal faction leaders to ask their factions what was priority number 1 for them to change from my thread, you know what 13/15 all said as number 1?

Prison.

Adding less and less in-character consequences to going to prison is like you having a stab wound in your leg so you amputate the whole leg, instead of stopping the bleed and stitching it up.

So, -1 to the suggestion but it's a no fucking brainer that the prison should have some significant time added into it. Every crim goes there at some point and we have an entire faction that depends on it.

Make something happen guys. @Paulius @Osvaldon

[Eliza]

I agree with @Bala 

[DaddyShrood]

10 hours ago, Bala said:

Not gunna lie, there is going to come a point where we put people in prison for 30 minutes and people will still be asking for the time to be reduced.

It's not the time you spend there, it never was. It's that the prison experience is fucking terrible. and when I asked the criminal faction leaders to ask their factions what was priority number 1 for them to change from my thread, you know what 13/15 all said as number 1?

Prison.

Adding less and less in-character consequences to going to prison is like you having a stab wound in your leg so you amputate the whole leg, instead of stopping the bleed and stitching it up.

So, -1 to the suggestion but it's a no fucking brainer that the prison should have some significant time added into it. Every crim goes there at some point and we have an entire faction that depends on it.

Make something happen guys. @Paulius @Osvaldon

The complete irony of the whole thing is if you ask anyone who's spent more than 5 minutes either in Prison as a criminal or in the DOC faction they could give you at least 3 fairly decent ideas of how to improve the prison, why it's not been done is beyond me.

[AtlasOLimbo]

18 hours ago, Bala said:

Not gunna lie, there is going to come a point where we put people in prison for 30 minutes and people will still be asking for the time to be reduced.

It's not the time you spend there, it never was. It's that the prison experience is fucking terrible. and when I asked the criminal faction leaders to ask their factions what was priority number 1 for them to change from my thread, you know what 13/15 all said as number 1?

Prison.

Adding less and less in-character consequences to going to prison is like you having a stab wound in your leg so you amputate the whole leg, instead of stopping the bleed and stitching it up.

So, -1 to the suggestion but it's a no fucking brainer that the prison should have some significant time added into it. Every crim goes there at some point and we have an entire faction that depends on it.

Make something happen guys. @Paulius @Osvaldon

As someone who's currently playing LEO and was a DOC main for a fairly long time, the state of DOC is simply disheartening. Although I play late night EST, (1-2 AM UTC onwards) I've had two-three arrests where DOC was present in the last 20+ arrests, even when the server was at 230 players one day, there was no DOC. I'll often walk into the lobby at DOC and find multiple players afk there, stumbling injured in place as they have ran down their hunger and thirst bars.

This is a point that has been beaten to death until the very faction that is forced to deal with the fact that no party wants to engage with them in meaningful improvement or roleplay, whether that be prisoners or developers, is now at the very least a mere shell of what it once was.

I'd love for @Chunder to pitch into this conversation or at the very least correct me if I'm wrong, but they've harped for so long internally, I see little reason they'd want to make any further efforts, especially externally.


What happened with the QoL thread where we were promised real change? Things like the impound change are nice but definitely weren't at the top of many priority lists. We weren't even told what final decisions were made regarding features, and once again just left in the blind and waiting for certain updates with our fingers crossed.

[Quietthecutie]

Reducing jtime is a bandaid soloution to the problem that theres nothing fun or interesting to do in DOC. 

Hasnt been for a long time. And its progressively got worse. Poker got removed, no idea why, presumably because the script change for casino affected it. That never got addressed, 

Stamps got nerfed, which to be fair they were powerful but that incentivised people to actually be active and work/conflict for stamps. Nowadays most people cant be assed.

Some cosmetic changes, which were nice but again, bandaid. 

So we have a system where roleplaying criminal acts lands you in a prision where theres nothing to do but sit and wait, stewing in apathy and frustration at your loss of freedom.

I mean, points for realisim lol but this is a videogame. I would quite like to enjoy myself playing ot instead of just tabbing out and watching something while waiting for an arbitrary timer to expire.

This is bad for both the inmate and the DOC staff, who i am sure are just as bored as the inmates are.

[Ritchie Stones]

Just give people an option to choose.

- more jailtime less fines 2/3

- more fines less jailtime 2/3

if people have the option to choose i think they wil complain less..

btw jailtime has already been reduced 2 times by a lot. I have known storys of people doing 15 hours.

-maybe be a bit more smart in how you approach a situation. I see people getting pulled over for speeding. They then get caught with a body in the trunk. They then evade… then they spray the cops 1vs15. Like you ever win?. And then they happen to also have 250’lsd in their trunk……. You could have driven the speed limit and void it al 

[Demonmit1]

19 hours ago, Ritchie Stones said:

-maybe be a bit more smart in how you approach a situation. I see people getting pulled over for speeding. They then get caught with a body in the trunk. They then evade… then they spray the cops 1vs15. Like you ever win?. And then they happen to also have 250’lsd in their trunk……. You could have driven the speed limit and void it al 

the current low maximum sentence encourages a "go out with a bang" PvP mentality. By shifting the penalty from time to money, we'd incentivize criminals to surrender, rather than engaging in a pointless shootout, which is a massive win for the server's RP quality. the low jail time incentivizes 1v15 situations, cause at that point the time is already so far beyond the 3 hour cap, theres nothing to lose.