Enforce OOC JB time limits on trials

[Eliza]

On 7/8/2024 at 10:02 PM, Bala said:

Either we have a way to make the Judicial Branch work efficiently for the server that we have, or we do the right thing and close it.

Closing JB would only further worsen the current environment of police RP. The current system requires no investigation to be done by an officer, and it’s purely your word vs the arresting officer’s.  I’m not saying every officer is guilty of this, but it’s very clearly in the environment. 
 

I will also say I really think it’s just unhealthy behavior to just go “appeal it in court lol”, everyone knows JB is in a tough spot and would take literally up to a year to even go to trial, and a lot of the time investigation isn’t even done to determine guilt, so cops can literally throw what they want onto somebody without any real repercussions if they’re wrong.

[Bala]

1 hour ago, DontSniffSugar said:

Closing JB would only further worsen the current environment of police RP. The current system requires no investigation to be done by an officer, and it’s purely your word vs the arresting officer’s.  I’m not saying every officer is guilty of this, but it’s very clearly in the environment. 

I will also say I really think it’s just unhealthy behavior to just go “appeal it in court lol”, everyone knows JB is in a tough spot and would take literally up to a year to even go to trial, and a lot of the time investigation isn’t even done to determine guilt, so cops can literally throw what they want onto somebody without any real repercussions if they’re wrong.

That's the sort of silly statement that furthers the negativity around police on the server and it's the sort of thing people like you have been saying for months.

Looking at those numbers, how many of those arrests actually have anything wrong with them? Even on a really bad day, 2-3 at best. How many of those 'bad arrests' go to JB? You'd be getting into zero decimal percentages with a lot of zeros on that.

You're not saying every officer is guilty of this but lets be honest here, I know what you're implying with your message but the reality of it is, it's still uncommon for there to be issues, whether pre-JB or now. I'm not going to sit here and say that people don't make mistakes because they do but we're arresting people every single day.

That said though, PD's leadership and it's IA hold the faction members to the highest standard on the server. I know because I've been on the boot end of that a few times myself and they won't even let me anywhere near it. Sometimes the actions they take are even a little excessive but people like yourself think it's just some big boys club where we all pat each other on the back and that's not the case. 

We shoehorned the Judicial Branch into a server that on average, regardless of what area of the server you are in, has no appreciation for long-term, high-tier role-play. There are exceptions but for the most part, it is a server where it's all about the next situation. 

JB was just an example of throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. While the people involved have tried hard to make it work, they are crumbling under the weight of their own system and over-complication. But, it's criminals and cops that have to deal with those consequences.

We've tried to change the server to fit JB, not JB to fit the server and that more than anything is not something I'm a fan of. I don't think JB has to go at all costs, but either you re-work it to fit the server it's in or you fuck it off entirely because as is, it's the literal elephant in the room.

[Soupiestfork]

4 hours ago, Bala said:

That's the sort of silly statement that furthers the negativity around police on the server and it's the sort of thing people like you have been saying for months.

Looking at those numbers, how many of those arrests actually have anything wrong with them? Even on a really bad day, 2-3 at best. How many of those 'bad arrests' go to JB? You'd be getting into zero decimal percentages with a lot of zeros on that.

You're not saying every officer is guilty of this but lets be honest here, I know what you're implying with your message but the reality of it is, it's still uncommon for there to be issues, whether pre-JB or now. I'm not going to sit here and say that people don't make mistakes because they do but we're arresting people every single day.

That said though, PD's leadership and it's IA hold the faction members to the highest standard on the server. I know because I've been on the boot end of that a few times myself and they won't even let me anywhere near it. Sometimes the actions they take are even a little excessive but people like yourself think it's just some big boys club where we all pat each other on the back and that's not the case. 

We shoehorned the Judicial Branch into a server that on average, regardless of what area of the server you are in, has no appreciation for long-term, high-tier role-play. There are exceptions but for the most part, it is a server where it's all about the next situation. 

JB was just an example of throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. While the people involved have tried hard to make it work, they are crumbling under the weight of their own system and over-complication. But, it's criminals and cops that have to deal with those consequences.

We've tried to change the server to fit JB, not JB to fit the server and that more than anything is not something I'm a fan of. I don't think JB has to go at all costs, but either you re-work it to fit the server it's in or you fuck it off entirely because as is, it's the literal elephant in the room.

This is distracting from the actual point which is that unfortunately there is a growing habit of officers placing arbitrary charges or even stating that they don't need to have proof to do so. It's not uncommon, it's happened to most people I know who play crim.

I realize you're uncomfortable with that sentiment but it is the reality.

JB is a necessity because we cannot trust PD/SD to be autonomous and fair.

Going back and forth on this is unhelpful to everyone. There are good officers out there. And honestly I love interacting with them. But to imply that the issues that are plaguing the server are either just made up or "not that bad" is nonsense.

It's extremely onerous to report these incidents when they happen, but we're organizing to do more of that now because apparently that's the only recourse we're allowed to have.

Your opinion is clear, but it's also abundantly clear that there are many individuals who disagree with you. So, please. Can we stay on topic re: how to improve JB

Thank you.

Edited July 16, 2024 by Soupiestfork

[Quietthecutie]

Honestly ill go out on a limb and say that it was inevitable that this was gonna turn into yet another LEO v Crim Debate. Which is unfortunate because this distracts from the actual points I was trying to make earlier on how to fix JB. 

I do not think its possible for JB to operate as an IC actual justice system in the current state of the server. all it would serve up is OOC drama. it wouldn't fix anything.

JBs strength lies in its ability to produce RP Ops quite unlike anything else you'll see on the server. Trials can be extremely fun and the fallout of them can create really cool Ops.

One of the biggest issues we are encountering is that most people seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of JBs purpose in the server:

IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR AN AVENUE TO CORRECT AN INJUSTICE DONE ONTO YOU BY AN LEO, THATS WHAT THE IA SYSTEM IS FOR.

The IA system is designed to investigate and resolve an issue in a matter of days. JB has never been designed to do that. IAs can handle both IC and OOC grievances and can be used in conjunction with the reports system for rule breaks. it is completely separate to JB. if you are a criminal and you feel you have been fucked over by an over reaching LEO. that is where you should be directing your concern. not to JB. JB should be an avenue for facilitating RP ops involving a legal system. and i think it can do this alot better if we massively cut out the realistic clutter and just speed the whole process up. ive already outlined what i think we need to do to accomplish that above.

But the current biggest issue remains peoples misconceptions regarding the branches role on the server.

Edited July 16, 2024 by Quietthecutie

[Demonmit1]

8 hours ago, Quietthecutie said:

Honestly ill go out on a limb and say that it was inevitable that this was gonna turn into yet another LEO v Crim Debate. Which is unfortunate because this distracts from the actual points I was trying to make earlier on how to fix JB. 

yep, the point was to share a solution with the issue surrounding JB, not argue about crim v cops. I'll take blame for getting it started a bit cause i did put a bit in the original topic that would be against LEO, but the whole point of the post was to have a suggestion to improve JB for the rest of the server as a whole. my suggestion is likely not the correct answer, but the discussion that has come out of it and the Idea that Quietthecutie put up is phenomenal. Any way the server and the factions can push for more interaction and RP opportunities for players, the better off we'll be. The RP opportunities for getting to use Quiet's idea would be immense and incredibly unique for the server. a significant amount of fun and interesting content would come from it for everyone involved.

 

[tigerpet15]

17 hours ago, Bala said:

That's the sort of silly statement that furthers the negativity around police on the server and it's the sort of thing people like you have been saying for months.

Looking at those numbers, how many of those arrests actually have anything wrong with them? Even on a really bad day, 2-3 at best. How many of those 'bad arrests' go to JB? You'd be getting into zero decimal percentages with a lot of zeros on that.

You're not saying every officer is guilty of this but lets be honest here, I know what you're implying with your message but the reality of it is, it's still uncommon for there to be issues, whether pre-JB or now. I'm not going to sit here and say that people don't make mistakes because they do but we're arresting people every single day.

That said though, PD's leadership and it's IA hold the faction members to the highest standard on the server. I know because I've been on the boot end of that a few times myself and they won't even let me anywhere near it. Sometimes the actions they take are even a little excessive but people like yourself think it's just some big boys club where we all pat each other on the back and that's not the case. 

We shoehorned the Judicial Branch into a server that on average, regardless of what area of the server you are in, has no appreciation for long-term, high-tier role-play. There are exceptions but for the most part, it is a server where it's all about the next situation. 

JB was just an example of throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. While the people involved have tried hard to make it work, they are crumbling under the weight of their own system and over-complication. But, it's criminals and cops that have to deal with those consequences.

We've tried to change the server to fit JB, not JB to fit the server and that more than anything is not something I'm a fan of. I don't think JB has to go at all costs, but either you re-work it to fit the server it's in or you fuck it off entirely because as is, it's the literal elephant in the room.

Honestly what I dont like about police RP is that most of the time cops dont even investigate properly. Im talking about taking ur statement asking you questions etc. I would love to experience that kind of RP and think it would benefit the server. Because most of the arrests are bit repetitive they pat you down read u ur miranda rights and thats it. I think it would be much cooler if they asked you some questions hear ur side of the story etc. Altho its understandable that dealing with toxic criminals on daily basis can get frustrating (and some criminals have lower RP standarts than PD).

 

[Bala]

@Quietthecutie This thread is not about criminals v. cops for me. It's about a system that was shoehorned into a server that doesn't know how to do it effectively and making it an important part of the process. If a limb turns gangrenous, you amputate, you don't leave it to spread.

Other servers do court role-play and they do it better. That tells me one of two things. Either we do not have the sort of player base that can fully appreciate it or we do not have the individuals with the foresight to creatively tailor the system to the server, rather than the server to the system.

It's not about cops or criminals winning decisions. It's about having confidence that a third party is going to reach an impartial and correct outcome, in a reasonable time-frame. Because anything other than that, has negative implications for a server that always wants the next thing.

@Soupiestfork Reading is important. I didn't claim that mistakes do not happen, but at the same time, our Internal Affairs divisions do not fuck about when it comes to correcting mistakes. It doesn't take them months to arrive at a conclusion.

In terms of metrics of mistakes, as I said, PD and SD are arresting like two dozen people a day, seven days a week with multiple officers arresting those people. There are going to be discrepancies but it's not indicative of any sort of corruption or even that it is a widespread issue that urgently needs solving.

What is wrong with trusting people with 4-6 years of experience of policing on ECRP? Surely, if experience is a valued commodity, those individuals would be the richest ones. You think that Silky or Pazz or myself or whoever in the LSPD wants people getting the wrong charges? Fuck no.

@tigerpet15 You know, there would probably be more time for basic field investigations if we weren't playing paperwork helper on the off chance JB is going to pick up a case or that we were playing evidence handler simulator in the storage cupboard.

We might be more inclined to spend more time on a seat if there was more support for investigative roleplay too or if they people we interact with are able to give us more detail than just a three word /do or yelling into their microphone about how they are innocent. We cannot charge based on anything the script doesn't prove or that we don't personally witness either.

We have to do what we can, with what we have available and then it's onto the next one. There simply isn't the time or the support for CSI: Los Santos.

How do you fix JB?
- You take a hammer to it. If there is something high profile, you can take it and run with it, as a server event otherwise you wrap it up within a week or two and move onto the next thing. The Mike Luigi and Hermann Wolff things are like Game of Thrones Season 8 at this point, when if they were finished after Season 6, they'd have been masterpieces.

Edited July 18, 2024 by Bala

[Requiem]

On 7/16/2024 at 3:12 PM, Soupiestfork said:

This is distracting from the actual point which is that unfortunately there is a growing habit of officers placing arbitrary charges or even stating that they don't need to have proof to do so. It's not uncommon, it's happened to most people I know who play crim.

I realize you're uncomfortable with that sentiment but it is the reality.

JB is a necessity because we cannot trust PD/SD to be autonomous and fair.

Going back and forth on this is unhelpful to everyone. There are good officers out there. And honestly I love interacting with them. But to imply that the issues that are plaguing the server are either just made up or "not that bad" is nonsense.

It's extremely onerous to report these incidents when they happen, but we're organizing to do more of that now because apparently that's the only recourse we're allowed to have.

Your opinion is clear, but it's also abundantly clear that there are many individuals who disagree with you. So, please. Can we stay on topic re: how to improve JB

Thank you.

Please provide proof of this occurring. And if you or anyone else you know has said proof, did you report it or make a complaint to the proper group(s)? If this is a reality as you say it is, then there should be no issue getting some proof of it occurring. People can agree or disagree as much as they like, but facts are what matters. Please don't slander another group/faction due to opinions or rhetoric. Get the facts together and report them to either LFM/Law enforcement faction leadership for OOC concerns, or utilize the Internal Affairs complaint process for IC (or also OOC) concerns. 

I'm not sure how long you have been on the server, but JB was not in the server for a long time (only more recently was the group established). I joined this server back when there was no GOV or JB factions and police were judge, jury and executioner when it came to proving criminals guilty or innocent. And the system works fine for a long time. JB offers a lot of great roleplay opportunities and the people that put it together have put in a lot of good effort, but to say that JB is necessary because PD/SD cannot be trusted to be fair is false. 

[tigerpet15]

59 minutes ago, Requiem said:

Please provide proof of this occurring. And if you or anyone else you know has said proof, did you report it or make a complaint to the proper group(s)? If this is a reality as you say it is, then there should be no issue getting some proof of it occurring. People can agree or disagree as much as they like, but facts are what matters. Please don't slander another group/faction due to opinions or rhetoric. Get the facts together and report them to either LFM/Law enforcement faction leadership for OOC concerns, or utilize the Internal Affairs complaint process for IC (or also OOC) concerns. 

I'm not sure how long you have been on the server, but JB was not in the server for a long time (only more recently was the group established). I joined this server back when there was no GOV or JB factions and police were judge, jury and executioner when it came to proving criminals guilty or innocent. And the system works fine for a long time. JB offers a lot of great roleplay opportunities and the people that put it together have put in a lot of good effort, but to say that JB is necessary because PD/SD cannot be trusted to be fair is false. 

I’ve been on the server for 4 years and I’m confident to say that the fact that LEOs are and were judges jury and executioners. When you are LEO you get so much power and it can get easily abused. I think Leos should never be the judges because they are in conflict of interest and it’s human nature to to see mainly your point of view (that’s why judges are needed they can hear out both sides). Either way my opinion is that the ultra long court cases are not benefiting anyone. JBs are bored cause their job is mostly checking email, criminals are angry cause of the quiet common sense of injustice they can’t do anything about and yeah. I read hear suggestion about heavily simplifying the court process so the most cases would be able to resolve in a week. I think the court RP is not about justice it’s about fun experience and fun RP and the current system doesn’t offer that. I believe everyone would be happy if ur cases could be resolved in a week and if a criminal charges were on criminal characters dropped like 20% of times while having fun it would be worth it. 

[Demonmit1]

4 hours ago, Requiem said:

Please provide proof of this occurring. And if you or anyone else you know has said proof, did you report it or make a complaint to the proper group(s)? If this is a reality as you say it is, then there should be no issue getting some proof of it occurring.

Terry Walkner submitted an IC crime report against two individuals who robbed Weazel News. Terry followed them. They brakechecked me, jumped out, pulled guns, and yelled hands. I ran the closest one over in very clearly obvious self defense. IC dashcam footage was provided. a Detective in training took on the case. Terry is full legal, with no criminal history, and a member of command at Weazel News.

several weeks later, I joined LSPD on that character. the same day i joined LSPD i was going to be invited to join the Law Review Committee. ive spent MONTHs working towards building my characters reputation to get voted into LRC. i was the second highest person voted in, just behind dale ashcroft, a very popular character on the server.

within 4 hours of me joining the LSPD faction, and the day i was to be officially sworn in at LRC. i was arrested for felony assault with a deadly weapon because of the crime report i submitted weeks ago. They specifically waited for that day to do so.

Since then, i was directly removed by Whitehorse from LRC who completely disregarded all the steps and rules on how to remove someone from LRC, and charged with a false felony by a detective in training who wanted to make sure his first case he got his guy no matter what.

Months of work and RP to get involved was ruined. legit was ready to quit the server over it for how bullshit and stupid it was. wont be able to have a chance to attempt to fix it ICLy for another 6+ months due to how JB currently works.

Edited July 18, 2024 by Demonmit1

[Zion Willard]

+1 current legal system is far too idealistic and dysfunctional to support the server.

[tigerpet15]

1 hour ago, Demonmit1 said:

Terry Walkner submitted an IC crime report against two individuals who robbed Weazel News. Terry followed them. They brakechecked me, jumped out, pulled guns, and yelled hands. I ran the closest one over in very clearly obvious self defense. IC dashcam footage was provided. a Detective in training took on the case. Terry is full legal, with no criminal history, and a member of command at Weazel News.

several weeks later, I joined LSPD on that character. the same day i joined LSPD i was going to be invited to join the Law Review Committee. ive spent MONTHs working towards building my characters reputation to get voted into LRC. i was the second highest person voted in, just behind dale ashcroft, a very popular character on the server.

within 4 hours of me joining the LSPD faction, and the day i was to be officially sworn in at LRC. i was arrested for felony assault with a deadly weapon because of the crime report i submitted weeks ago. They specifically waited for that day to do so.

Since then, i was directly removed by Whitehorse from LRC who completely disregarded all the steps and rules on how to remove someone from LRC, and charged with a false felony by a detective in training who wanted to make sure his first case he got his guy no matter what.

Months of work and RP to get involved was ruined by PD and corruption. legit was ready to quit the server over it for how bullshit and stupid it was. wont be able to have a chance to attempt to fix it ICLy for another 6+ months due to how JB currently works.

I’m so sorry man. The functioning JB is not just for criminals it’s for civilians too. I wanna sue someone for some petty thing so baaad. 

[Thang]

8 minutes ago, tigerpet15 said:

I’m so sorry man. The functioning JB is not just for criminals it’s for civilians too. I wanna sue someone for some petty thing so baaad. 

They don’t even have civil court running and they currently can’t keep up with criminal cases. I don’t think that suggesting an extra civil court is a good idea.

Edited July 18, 2024 by Thang

[Quietthecutie]

1 hour ago, Thang said:

They don’t even have civil court running and they currently can’t keep up with criminal cases. I don’t think that suggesting an extra civil court is a good idea.

The civil court would provide a lot of variety to the RP ops and give JB more agency. it was in the works for a long time but, again, very few people want to play as JB in its current state. Colt stepped down among others and the rest of JB seem to be in a barely functional holding pattern because JB is not fun, its an obligation. I really feel the minute to minute gameplay needs to be looked at. currently they have nothing to do but set up and wait for court dates, which is an IRL day job, not a fun RP experience.

Court days are held as events, one offs like club gigs or races or other things, and they are a lot of fun, but between that, JB have nothing to do besides answering emails, amending dockets and other paperwork. they have very little to do that could be considered fun consistent RP.

I Imagine the initial idea was that through working with either LEOs or defendants, the RP would create itself and JB would have more interactive activities. but that hasn't happened. LEOs have their own thing to do and don't want to devote time or energy to a separate branch and your average crim has their own plans for their playtime which doesn't involve going to city hall and sitting down with a lawyer. JB are the ones left holding the bag on this which is unfair, but the reality.

Edited July 18, 2024 by Quietthecutie

[Quietthecutie]

Maybe if JB had the ability to investigate NPC cases, iunno like consider mini events like how roadworkers works, where you drive to a location, take interviews, investigate stuff, have actual stuff to do it might motivate JB members to stay clocked on and become a playable faction. then people would stay clocked on and be more available to move cases forward.

I don't know Im just spitballing here because I do have very fond memories of JB and they have/had some really dedicated players. Colt, Judy, Robert, Hugh, Shaun, Hope, Tony but to name a few and I don't wanna see the faction fold.

[Zion Willard]

Can we keep on topic

[Demonmit1]

15 minutes ago, Quietthecutie said:

it might motivate JB members to stay clocked on and become a playable faction

I remember when i first joined the server, that my initial understanding of JB was that you could call a lawyer/defense attorney to a scene / investigation before your charges get placed. obviously thats not how things work, and would slow things down drastically, but it could be an interesting way to get private lawyer and JB RP active out in the server interacting with people and LEO's directly.

[Quietthecutie]

6 minutes ago, Zion Willard said:

Can we keep on topic

I mean this threads kinda expanded onto how to fix JB. if it so offends you im sorry.

[Quietthecutie]

6 minutes ago, Demonmit1 said:

I remember when i first joined the server, that my initial understanding of JB was that you could call a lawyer/defense attorney to a scene / investigation before your charges get placed. obviously thats not how things work, and would slow things down drastically, but it could be an interesting way to get private lawyer and JB RP active out in the server interacting with people and LEO's directly.

Its so...hard to make that work. because the lawyer has to be clocked on and available right during the arrest. at any rate ive never personally seen LEOs radio for a lawyer on an active scene, and i dont think its viable.

[Bala]

Get the cases done in like a week or two, then the high profile ones, make a big event out of it.

Then, for certain things where you have a trial, criminals can be given the death penalty and we get a public execution out of it.

Fuck yeah.

[David Coast]

12 hours ago, Quietthecutie said:

Its so...hard to make that work. because the lawyer has to be clocked on and available right during the arrest. at any rate ive never personally seen LEOs radio for a lawyer on an active scene, and i dont think its viable.

I've been called to active scenes numerous times. It actually was really good fun however it still doesn't make much sense, with the way arrests work in this server (and well in every server) it doesn't make sense for a lawyer to be there.

Like what are defense attorneys going to rock up to Island?

[David Coast]

12 hours ago, Quietthecutie said:

Maybe if JB had the ability to investigate NPC cases, iunno like consider mini events like how roadworkers works, where you drive to a location, take interviews, investigate stuff, have actual stuff to do it might motivate JB members to stay clocked on and become a playable faction. then people would stay clocked on and be more available to move cases forward.

I doubt anyone is going to care for "NPC cases", I might as well go play a single-player game at that point.

Let me explain something again, cases do move forward however, we have 2 defence attorneys, 5 prosecuting attorneys and 2 superior court judges. So they can't all move at once.

On another level, JB RP is insane. Trials are some of the only RP scenes where no one is complaining OOCly. We had a trial yesterday where we put Wolfgang on the stand.

I've played this server from many different aspects and never had as serious and good RP as a trial. Trials may take a while, but it is better RP than rolling labs and shooting.

I don't understand at all how this became a crim vs cop thread. It seems people are just upset about transparency, if you didn't know already, things happen behind the scenes of EVERY single faction on this server.

Here are some key points;

• Everyone wants to RP, not just you, that's why JB takes a while. It's good RP and a lot of people like it, this is an RP server after all.
• PD/SD are doing things behind the scenes, they don't just cuff you and make up a reason.
• PD/SD have OOC rules in place that stop them from being corrupt if you are not OOCly IAing them, that is on you (in regards to it not stopping)
• JB also does not at all deal with things like corruption (unless regarding the rules of evidence etc etc). Did the officer beat you.. Yeah? Did you do the crimes.. Yeah? We don't have a civil court.

The thing about JB is that it is amazing RP, that is open to everyone. We're not going to just give the RP to people who are like a big deal and if we did I'm sure multiple people would lose all passion in JB and leave.

 

[McFornell]

The existence of Judicial Branch does not harm criminals. The way it worked before Judicial is that cops would simply arrest, file an arrest report and so be it.

What JB allows today has forced police officers to adopt a higher standard in their work. Years before (and I don't mean to bash PD, this actually comes off of a conversation I recently had on their Discord) they'd file a (compared to today's standard) mediocre arrest report and called it a day. Criminals would simply have to suck it up and they'd have no way of removing their convictions or challenging the PD's decisions.

JB existing today DOES NOT make it worse for criminals. Sure, wait times are long and trials take a shit ton of time (I'll address this at the end) to take place, but it provides people an opportunity for someone else (JB members) to make their case, attend the trial and possibly obtain compensation for the police's fuckup. The way it currently is, allows criminals to no longer be forced to suck up whatever cops charge them with, and at the same times, cops can no longer come up with bullshit charges, and if they do, eventually the court rules against them. I am not meaning to say cops are all bad, totally not. They hold themselves to high standards, but JB has allowed for the bad ones to stand out for their crappy arrests.

As for the people who have been indicted: An indictment being filled, again, does not damage anybody's roleplay. When someone's invicted they don't get arrested, they don't get disallowed from joining factions, nothing happens in practice until the date of the trial where the decision gets taken. 

Now, I am not saying this to excuse the length of the cases. Unfortunately it comes down to a manpower issue, lack of activity from key members (us, judges) and also how hard it is some times to get in touch with defendants. There's a lot of inner workings for a case: Prosecutors have to reach out to PD/SD, then they have to provide arrest reports, some times they have to make witness statements, then the prosecution has to analyze that, then the defense attacks the evidence, etc. It is lengthy roleplay, but NONE of it DAMAGES what the criminals do. If anything, it allows some criminals to get some cash back for bogus charges, although at a way later date.

 

However, it would be selfish for us to just say "It doesn't damage you, stop whining". That is why we have (and are on the verge of announcing it publicly) implemented methods that will allow smaller cases to move very quickly, where we'll allow people to have their day in court literally at the time of arrest or very close to it.

 

TL;DR: JB's wait times depend on a lot of factors. We are doing big efforts in ensuring that those within our control are in order now. We have managed to get more cases moving and closed in the last month than probably in the first semester of this year alone. We are also implementing changes that will allow for more fun and quick experiences for people to get involved and not wait a thousand days for their time in Court. At the end of the day, however, criminals DONT have to be a part of this roleplay if they don't want to, and there are no negative consequences if they decide to participate. If JB didn't exist they'd still have to serve their time and go on about their business but this shouldn't be the case and we should work towards guaranteeing speedy trials and the likes.

[Quietthecutie]

I still think the best way to make JB relevant again is to cut the wait times, allow more agency, give JB employees more reasons to stay clocked on and allow trials to be more interactive. any suggestions that enable this i am 100% behind.

[Eliza]

On 7/18/2024 at 5:37 PM, Bala said:

Then, for certain things where you have a trial, criminals can be given the death penalty and we get a public execution out of it.

I wouldn’t mind this actually if it was just a NLR rather than a full on character kill