License Suspension should not last for 24hours.

[Sico]

I'm making this suggestion as I feel like 24hours for a license suspension is way too much as it limits us a lot. For example, we all know driving is a big part of the game and if we cant do that for 24 hours then most of us will just log off until they get their licenses back. I'd suggest that we instead bring the license suspension down to 12hours as it's much better and you don't need to wait a full day. Let me know what you guys think about this. 

Edited March 8, 2022 by Sico

[Fraz Dunne]

+1

[Chris_]

Didn't they use to suspend them for 2/3 Days at a time before? Making the suspension only 12 hours would be kind of pointless and I think 1 day is pretty fair IMO. Also 9 out of 10 cops forget to even do the command to suspend so I don't see it as such a huge deal. If you don't wanna arrested don't drive or evade. IC consequences for IC decisions and risks.

[dominykas]

I disagree this proposal since, in the past, LEOs would suspend people's licenses for two days. It's generous that the time of suspensions have been lowered to a single day. Personally, I do find it inconvenient not to be able to drive knowing that you are not in constant danger of being arrested if you decide to do so, but I believe at the moment the time is balanced and reasonable. Suspensions should not be necessary if the time limit would be reduced to a duration of twelve hours. [-1]

Edited March 8, 2022 by dominykas

[xMysticZx]

+1

I agree with sicos statement. We already have prison times that are incredibly over timed, I believe license suspension should be reduced to a nice 12hours. I do not believe being unable to drive a vehicle for 24 hours without getting arrested / having the fear of getting arrested should happen due to maybe a 5 or 10+ minute chase. Its just not fair, It’s my same reason for being in a small rp situation with cops that lasts a couple of minutes that lands you in doc for 3,4,5,6+ hour sentences. 
 

Chris, you say 9/10 cops forget to use this command. Personally I have not once ever been arrested and the cops forgotten to take my license away. It’s like the ONE thing they do do, I know cause there sarcastic and laugh about it every time they remove it… Some do it right away, some forget and I’ve actually been serving mid sentence then out of no where I’ve had my license suspended for 2 days. Also you say don’t drive or evade without a license and there won’t be risks, but I can’t think of one thing that we don’t need cars for. It’s a huge map, and it’s so time consuming to run everywhere because you lost your license due to a small or silly reason such as driving faults. This overall ruins out rp experience and all we do is get demotivated and log off for the license suspension as we can’t do anything. And it’s certainly not like we’re going to waste money calling taxis everywhere, ‘hello sir! Can you spin me round labs please I lost my license!’
 

You don’t have to be ‘evading’ or doing ‘criminal’ things to loose a license. I’ve lost licenses for simple driving mistakes on the road for a whole 24 hours, it’s abit mad. 

 

Edited March 8, 2022 by xMysticZx

[Bala]

It was reduced to 24 hours from 48. You want no consequences for breaking the law or something?

 

[Sico]

3 hours ago, Bala said:

It was reduced to 24 hours from 48. You want no consequences for breaking the law or something?

 

We can do something within 10minutes that will cause us atleast 2-3 hours in DOC if not even more. It's been explained above if you haven't read it, 24hour license suspension is like an ooc punishment since noone without a license would play as much as when they have a license. If I sit 4hours AFK in jail and then get out and got nothing to do I will logout and I'm pretty sure a lot of people feel the same. I might run back to the city, but after that I won't be running around the city from destination to destination, cus I ain't no marathon runner.

Edited March 9, 2022 by Sico

[Destuin]

I personally think 24 hours is fine. However I can see where you are coming from, and over time I have grown tired of trying to argue these points as OOC punishments to PD. Which is why I gave up on posting these sort of suggestions. I will add we had multiple high ranking PD officers recently state in a thread that 4 hours is too long OOC to wait for a car if its been stolen, as driving is essential to roleplay were there claims. By this logic 24 hours would seem a bit much.

Edited March 9, 2022 by Destuin

[alexalex303]

Where do you draw the line? It was 48 hours for 3 years, then it was lowered to 24. If it gets lowered again, will we be discussing 6 hours afterwards?

At this point you might as well argue for its removal because 12 hours is nothing. You go to bed and when you wake up all your repercussions went away.

[Aldarine]

While I do understand the reasoning behind this suggestion and the desire to reduce the number of timed limitations especially on top of jail and fines, I do have to say I do not support this. I was a very big advocate against the 2 day suspension and am incredibly pleased with the reduction to 1 day. I think that was the perfect compromise and do not think further reduction is necessary.

[TheCactus]

I agree with what has been said by the last 3/4 people. It has been reduced from 48 hours (which really was a pain in the ass) to 24 hours. People were extremely happy about the change and by people I mean the whole server, even cops and those who never get arrested. If everyone was happy but shortly after a small group asked for less, that's greed.

I understand that not being allowed to drive after several hours of prison may be frustrating, however, it's a deterrent and it works. I'd focus on suggestions about things that do not work.

Edited March 13, 2022 by TheCactus

[Ezrya]

Actions have consequences, don't evade if you can't handle said consequences.

[Sico]

1 minute ago, Ezrya said:

Actions have consequences, don't evade if you can't handle said consequences.

Most of the times where my license got suspended was cause of silly reasons such as doing a wheelie on the side of the highway, not even on the main road. Or something like having my phone in my hand while driving a bike. It's not always about evading, nowadays it's not even worth taking it that far to actually evade cus PD and SD bring 5 Kamachos on you and different sport bikes, it's not that fun to be a Crim Roleplayer no more as LEO are so overpowered. 

[AnakinB]

Yes they should

[NexonBG]

-1 
You are comparing this to DOC time, if anything, DOC time should be lowered, suspension is good, it brings some good RP potential, after all you have your friends that can drive you arround , you are a criminal, drive without a license, get your car impounded, its 24 hours, it goes really fast. While yes 48 hours was too much, 24 hours is perfect and justified, I have to agree with most of people here.

[Ezrya]

23 hours ago, Sico said:

Most of the times where my license got suspended was cause of silly reasons such as doing a wheelie on the side of the highway, not even on the main road. Or something like having my phone in my hand while driving a bike. It's not always about evading, nowadays it's not even worth taking it that far to actually evade cus PD and SD bring 5 Kamachos on you and different sport bikes, it's not that fun to be a Crim Roleplayer no more as LEO are so overpowered. 

Maybe because doing a wheelie irl on the side of what would be a major busy highway would probably get your licence suspended same with being on your phone while driving. LEO's are supposed to be overpowered that's the point of law enforcement, there's consequences to breaking the law if that's something you can't handle then maybe illegal roleplay isn't for you. 

[Destuin]

13 minutes ago, Ezrya said:

Maybe because doing a wheelie irl on the side of what would be a major busy highway would probably get your licence suspended same with being on your phone while driving. LEO's are supposed to be overpowered that's the point of law enforcement, there's consequences to breaking the law if that's something you can't handle then maybe illegal roleplay isn't for you. 

The problem is when you hold one side to such strict standards but not the other you leave a sour taste in peoples mouths. Yes irl if you were wheeling on a busy street, you would be suspended etc. But police officers would also be fired for a lot of the interactions we just consider normal. A police officer shooting someone unarmed in the back for example. A police officer receiving multiple speeding tickets, would be fired from there job. The list goes on. Except we almost never see officers dismissed for there on duty actions. Even dumb stuff if you want to take it as far as your license SHOULD be suspended for using your phone IC. Then we should take that far for all aspects of game play, not just on the act of suspending your license. How many real life police officers do you think patrol in a car with there wives/husbands? The point is its a game, and if you use your phone whilst in a car on a game you should not be punished for 24 hours. Your examples here are poor.

[NexonBG]

1 hour ago, Ezrya said:

LEO's are supposed to be overpowered that's the point of law enforcement,

This sentence is so wrong... The point isnt to be cops vs criminals, nor it ever was the point, but this doesnt make it right. Every aspect of this should be balanced, yeah there are a lot more crims then LEO's but thats balanced by other things, if LEO's were overpowered nobody would want to play crim ever again, and whats point in that ? But we are sraying too much from the topic here. The point is making RP scenarios are realistic and fun to the both sides, just your wording is wrong.

[Rage.]

pretty sure it used to be two days, I think one is justified. it's your choice to speed, run from the cops, drive reckless, etc. and if you do decide to do those actions, it's fair that you get a license suspension.

-1

[Ezrya]

3 hours ago, NexonBG said:

This sentence is so wrong... The point isnt to be cops vs criminals, nor it ever was the point, but this doesnt make it right. Every aspect of this should be balanced, yeah there are a lot more crims then LEO's but thats balanced by other things, if LEO's were overpowered nobody would want to play crim ever again, and whats point in that ? But we are sraying too much from the topic here. The point is making RP scenarios are realistic and fun to the both sides, just your wording is wrong.

It's a roleplay server not a competitive FPS it doesn't need to be balanced at all, the point of a roleplay server is to emulate aspects of real life things and play a character. It's a hard pill to swallow and this comes from someone who has always roleplayed a criminal but roleplaying a criminal comes with consequences just as breaking the law IRL does not being able to drive for 24 hours for driving recklessly isn't that big of a punishment at all compared to the consequences in the real world and that's the point we take things from real life and dumb them down to a video game setting. There will always be criminal players people have been saying "X will drive criminal RP out" for my 3 years here yet its never happened just like there will always be LEO and civilian players. As others have stated the time for license suspension was already reduced at this point your just asking for no consequences for your actions which in of itself is a play to win mindset. 

Edited March 15, 2022 by Ezrya

[hrxvey]

I personally think that instead of lowering it completely, it should be dependent on the crime committed, for example if someone felony evades and gets caught, then 24 hours is completely reasonable, however if someone  gets a reckless operation, I can see the 12 hour license suspension being more adequate.

[Eliza]

License suspensions have since been adjusted through both IC adjustments and an adjustment from the script