Dear ECRP staff,
I’ve been on the server a lot and spend a ton of hours at Bayview. With the gates added, Bayview got a beefy upgrade and it is great to have those gates. Also, the extra walls around the existing fences are great to have, so people can’t steal cars easily.
Though, there still is an issue. There are walls added to prevent people from ramming the fences over and drive cars out. This is don’t at the north, south and west part of Bayview.
I mapped this out:
As you can see, where the gold line is drawn there isn’t any extra fences.
Here is what that part looks like in-game:
You would say it’s not needed as there is a small concrete ledge to keep cars in/out. Sadly, that isn’t the case.
For a long time, there was no issue, until more and more people found out this could be done:
So, this is what we have seen people doing:
People climb over the fence and lockpick cars. After that they use a bigger car they have themselves or they got from lockpicking (as some people own a Sandking) to ram against the ledge. Sometime the vehicle they use to ram against this ledge is already high enough to ram the fences themselves, otherwise the vehicle bumps up and will touch the fence. People do this repeatedly till they have created the ramp. If they didn’t succeed doing this, they go into the office to reload the map.
People mostly do this at times not many people are online. I do have the feeling people use the F4 list to check if there are any mechanics around, but I am not sure. A PD officer told me they do, but as I have no proof or whatever I can’t say this happens.
This is bad RP as it makes no sense a fence would be able to create a ramp for a car that got quite some weight. Also, people damaging their cars by this process and reloading the map is not a good example of how RP should be.
Bayview really stands for their good RP and wants to keep it that way. This is also a waste of time. Let me tell why:
When this happens we mostly get the message we must make a report on the forum. The sad part is that this only happens when people arrive at Bayview when they are about to open the shop, as these people know they shouldn’t do this. Not everyone has their record program on directly when they join, so we barely have stuff to make reports of. And I am also sure it will be a waste of time for the people on the forum to review the reports IF we would make them, as there will be a ton of them.
Now the issue is explained, we have found a solution that is hopefully possible.
The solution for the other destroyable fences were some walls like these:
But this won’t really fit at those fences as it would look odd and not “natural”.
When you look at the fences you will see a small space in front of the fences:
This amount of space is not big enough for those walls added earlier at the other fences, but I hopped into GTA editor and played around a little.
I found those double fences who have a small footprint and cannot be destroyed. I was able to place them perfectly on the ledge, so that is what I did here:
This fence is called the Double fence. You got multiple types of these. The ones who got a pole on both sides, the one with a pole on one side and both types also on single fence format. I kind of placed them a bit shitty, so use this picture only as an idea for now please.
Here is 1 fence:
I also made a video that shows the fence is indestructible and how it should work:
https://plays.tv/s/Ly4vhbMznzru
We all do really hope this will be looked at seriously as more people are getting to know about this “trick” as some Bayview employee actually for a message about he found out how to “legitimately” get vehicles out of Bayview.
Bayview is family and we care about each other. To show how much we care about each other and the company we created a name list. This is not meant as an attack! This is just to show who, from the family, cares about it and show this in a more personal way instead of “+1”. We are not trying to get stuff done/stuff done sooner/extra stuff done:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FKLFduJyY6YwRkC8JjTfw1YBbINCoNbjOeA1h1LtAdU/edit?usp=sharing
We know the info in these suggestions can not be used IC, but in this case it’s hard to keep track of that. We know people will get to know about this trick by reading this, but we have accepted the risk as it is already getting out of hand. Next to that, we are already trying to get our own cars parked at our houses or somewhere else to try to prevent this and we actively ask people to do this.
I want to thank everyone for reading this and hopefully someone would like to look into this.
Kind regards,
Audrey Martin with the help of the whole Bayview family!
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+1 I like the white nametag thingy idea. A while ago there was someone at Bayview getting arrested by an undercover cop. The cop had the regular white nametag when he was arresting, so the person that was getting arrested said he wasn't able to see he was a cop, it was bugged and should not get arrested because of that. I can also remember that there was a quiz question where you have to answer that nametags are OOC and should not be used as IC information. And I also have to say it really influences MY RP, so I mainly would like to see just regular nametags for everyone.
