PD, can you please quit the corruption?

[Azphelle]

My digs were only towards the countless masses of people I see on the forums and have dealt with ICly. 

The rants about the time they get, the no RP, the corruption. I did a traffic stop as I caught someone going 120, have them the appropriate ticket and have CORRUPTION shouted at me both ICly and in /b. 

Another time, mostly when asking an individual or two to remove their masks at a CRIME SCENE or another traffic stop, they pause RP to yell at me in /b about how corrupt PD is because we target masked individuals even if they're "doing nothing". 

Throwing around the word 'corruption' is getting incredibly overused and is becoming commonplace in arrests when people get pissed. They don't like that they have to legally remove their mask and identify themselves, CORRUPTION! They get charged for exactly what they did wrong, CORRUPTION! They get pulled over because their car was identified from a BOLO, CORRUPTION AND METAGAMING!

Police have to tread on thin ice when dealing with anybody now. Why isn't there enough RP during arrests, traffic stops etc? Because they turn into /b debates about different penal codes and how cops are corrupt and constantly profiling and picking on 'innocent' civilians. PD WANT to RP these scenarios but with 9 times out of 10 the person being detained has already radioed in their mates to come and kill us, with hands up I may add,they just want to get out of there. 

So yeah, my response can be seen as quite childish but once you understand what PD have to deal with every day, maybe you'd understand why! 

[MrUntouchable215]

2 minutes ago, Azphelle said:

My digs were only towards the countless masses of people I see on the forums and have dealt with ICly. 

The rants about the time they get, the no RP, the corruption. I did a traffic stop as I caught someone going 120, have them the appropriate ticket and have CORRUPTION shouted at me both ICly and in /b. 

Another time, mostly when asking an individual or two to remove their masks at a CRIME SCENE or another traffic stop, they pause RP to yell at me in /b about how corrupt PD is because we target masked individuals even if they're "doing nothing". 

Throwing around the word 'corruption' is getting incredibly overused and is becoming commonplace in arrests when people get pissed. They don't like that they have to legally remove their mask and identify themselves, CORRUPTION! They get charged for exactly what they did wrong, CORRUPTION! They get pulled over because their car was identified from a BOLO, CORRUPTION AND METAGAMING!

Police have to tread on thin ice when dealing with anybody now. Why isn't there enough RP during arrests, traffic stops etc? Because they turn into /b debates about different penal codes and how cops are corrupt and constantly profiling and picking on 'innocent' civilians. PD WANT to RP these scenarios but with 9 times out of 10 the person being detained has already radioed in their mates to come and kill us, with hands up I may add,they just want to get out of there. 

So yeah, my response can be seen as quite childish but once you understand what PD have to deal with every day, maybe you'd understand why! 

I'm sorry but just because you deal with idiots daily, doesn't give you the excuse at all. Criminals have to deal with being reported or threatened to report after every single shootout we ever have. The same thing goes both ways. Just because you deal with some questionable people, doesn't give you the excuse to not look at your own issues and address them. I'm not asking for the highest level of RP, I'm asking for reasonable and less corrupted police work. The by the book, by the law stereotype. We don't have a court system, so by nature you have to be an upstanding person to make on the spot decisions about how long someone spends in prison and it isn't reasonable to ask for better or even more RP during those situations. I think detaining someone, bringing them to mission row and RPing there is great RP for starters. If you want to do more RP and avoid shootouts, work on properly reinforcing situations and dragging the RP to another location. There are plenty of options available to you. Majority of the time, police sit around at the same scene for ages, allowing themselves to get set up on and smoked like a philly blunt. If you know a situation is about to get hairy, get the fuck out of the situation.

[Azphelle]

By the book, by the law. 

You want NPC's with no personality. 

You want to see change in PD to suit you. Most of what you have already stated is in the end, complaining about PD not doing their job the way you want them to. Then throwing the word corruption around as a blanket statement. 

How officers RP is up to them, whether it is good or bad.  They are not just there as mild thorn in the side to criminals shenanigans. They owe criminals, gangs and their affiliates nothing. 

Both sides have seen corruption and it has made for some extremely interesting RP.  

ICly PD are sick of the same old shit,  OOCly a lot are sick of it too regarding gang stuff. They get reported if they do their job, they get reported for corruption if they don't. 

Holding PD at a higher standard of RP when most criminals can't tell the difference between IC and OOC, is wrong. PD are not meant to be the leading faction for ECRP, they should be held at the same level as everyone else. Which means WE want more RP and better quality from gangs and crims instead of the boring same old of getting shot at because someone radios in their gang with their hands up and 2 officers get gunned down by 5 people with heavies. 

"PD OP PLIS NERF" 

Let's talk about heavy weapons import then shall we? 

[Sineye]

Coming from someone with an outside view on all this that hasn't really been a part of either side actively here is my opinion and what I think I see and it is just that, opinion. It seems to me there are some things that definitely do need to be addressed as behavior that is not appropriate for people in those roles. Based on the videos given that type of behavior in my opinion would be unacceptable and if some reports like the chief taking someone to chilliad to execute them is true I say why is he chief. Police are not judge jury and executioner and for a chief to be acting this way is unacceptable. I also have seen personally a multitude of times criminals complaining ooc about lawfull orders to identify or taking of masks. If you really are familiar enough with the penal code and server rules you would not complain about it at all let alone in ooc during a situation.

As for using invalid corruption complaints as a crutch to potential change the topic or illegitimatize real complaints. Whether it is the true intention or not  feel that is happening all the same. When discussing specific actions of a specific person is not the time to discuss all these false reports as a distractor. If you are confident in your team as you appear to be, request or provide proof and address the issue instead of what appears to the outside as dodging the issue.

I feel like there should honestly be zero place on this server for people like Palmer that seem to so blatantly ignore rules of engagement and no place for people that show so blatant ad disrespectful racism to be part of a team that is suppose to protect this city. I also feel there shouldn't be a place for ooc complaining that cop are corrupt in a situation. That is not the time or the place.

I do agree some things appear to need change on both sides as clearly occ in a rp situation is not the proper time or place, as there is IA for that, and some acts by cops do need addressed. I hope that both sides can own up to and see those issues and in turn both sides compromise to find a solution that will only make the server more enjoyable for both parties.

[Lewis]

Hey guys! I've been following this thread for a while, and I think we can end it here. First of all, as Head of Legal Factions, I've not received any messages of valid concerns that leadership isn't working in a faction. It's not healthy as a community to point fingers at one faction, when in reality, the burden of improving the general quality of life isn't one faction's alone. Both sides have valid concerns and outstanding issues, and as a community, we should work towards fixing them together. So instead of picking up pitchforks and starting threads such as these, you should make attempts to hold constructive conversations with leadership of the faction and/or Legal Faction Management. 

Do keep in mind that a lot regulations and procedures that is being thrown around in the community is created and enforced by PD/SD/MD etc. themselves. 

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• Lewis#9962
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Thank you all!
- Lewis